h22a vs b18cr

[paps02]

if you (experienced and wise ppl of ozhonda) had the option to either b18cr or h22a your civic coupe. what would you do?

b18cr are obdviously going to be more expensive. however very little has to be done on them. with the lsd gearboxes and agressiv cams its pretty sweet in terms of power... they are ready for track & some good extractors, exhaust, throttle body, your off and racing with a 14sec car.

vs

h22a. less expensive. the same power? (~140kw ish in a stock h22a. got that figure from google so its just a guess) then get type-s cams, valvetrain upgrade, possibly lsd gearbox and things like intake, exhaust etc? would i be better off with the h22a? or b18cr?

i know very little about either so please, feedback and advice!!! dont just say b18.. or h22.. explain ur answer

cheers

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

Have a look in Honda Tech aswell because there are a fair few guys who have experienced both sides of this debate

If it were me i wouldn't bother and K swap (but thats me)

[Q_ball]

b18c is a lot easier to drop in, whereas with an h series motor you'll need to consider removing or relocating your AC/PS.

Also, theres the weight factor... the h22/23 is generally considered as "too heavy" for a civic - however they have been proven to be awesome drag cars - not so much on the track front.

[CRXDEL501]

george..

k20 mate lol like i keep telling you..

guess you gotta a long time to decide.. if you know what i mean haha

[paps02]

theres the weight factor... the h22/23 is generally considered as "too heavy" for a civic.

i will only be putting it on the quarter mile.. so weight for me = traction!!

are we looking at an extra 100kg? and would it be that different anyway? i could just take out my spare tyre and all passengers lol...


with an h series motor you'll need to consider removing or relocating your AC/PS.

its true. b18 would be a straight swap into an ej. and would cost alot less for labour...all i need is mounts and a couple little things like that.. but with currency the way it is a b18cr is going to range anywhere between 6 and 8k just for the cut. plus 2k in labour and parts/certs....

[paps02]

george..

k20 mate lol like i keep telling you..

guess you gotta a long time to decide.. if you know what i mean haha

and i keep telling you my civic > delsol but you dont listen..... lol

[trism]

there was a thread not so long ago about this, and basically, people jsut assume that the h22a is massivley heavier (like you, jsut assumed it was 100kg)

in acutal fact, the complete engine, gearbox with all teh fluids probably weighs a whole 30kg more at the maximum

not much when you think about it.

there is an EF civic in NZ with a h22a, and its a circuit/track car, and does well, and the EF is the lightest, so im sure itd fine in an EG/EK

with regards to drag racing, id go the H22, as the extra torque will help

[simonnowis]

i think the weight of the h22a matters for track because it mounts slightly differently to the b series. you'll have to look it up, but i remember reading on a thread that it mounts abit more forward in the engine bay? well anyway, this would put the car off balance for taking sharp turns on track.

[CRXDEL501]

and i keep telling you my civic > delsol but you dont listen..... lol


what!

you wanna go? haha

go h22a if it works out better for you

[VTECMACHINE]

I'd go B18C, just because it's purely a more fun engine than the H22A. Very lively, and more support out there.

[paps02]

^^

which brings up my next point. availability of parts. every man and his dog sells b18 parts. how is the availability of h22a replacement/aftermarket parts? things like gaskets, pistons, and other things that break?? clutches, replacement gearboxes? are these parts going to make the conversion more expensive in the long run when it comes to services etc?

anybody out there with a h22a conversion want to give feedback??

thanks you all so far (not you poli :-P)

[simonnowis]

by saying more parts for the b series, it means more aftermarket support compared to the h series. but in terms of stock replacement parts, im sure finding them at the wreckers wont be a problem.

[fatboyz39]

Each to there own. H22a would be my pick. With some decent basic mods it'll be on close to a B18cR.

2.2L vs 1.8L

[trentski]

B18C-R FTW, much better engine.

[CoupeTurbo]

h22a h2b

[simonnowis]

since you said you're only goner putting it on 1/4mile, i would def go h22a as well.

[trism]

there might not be the support as with b18 off the shelf parts, but if you need something, there will always be somwhere you can buy it

[Q_ball]

The states love their H series stuff.
But with the current economic phails... you'd probably want to stay relatively local in your purchases.

[paps02]

i was 100% b18cr about 1 or 2 months ago. then our dollar turned to shit. this is why im weighing up the h22a now... i could have a h22a cheap half cut with low kms or wait until our dollar gets better(wenever that will be) and import a b18cr then.

getting the stuff is not the problem, its more how much it will cost me.

i was reading a thread about h2b...... whats wrong with just doing the h22a and using its geabox? or is the b20 gearbox heaps better?

[RtN]

save bit more.. b18 + b20 bottom :) U get best of both worlds i guess?

[CRXDEL501]

mmm wouldnt that be sweet.

:D

[VTec1987]

ill go for the h22 as well bro, nice and different, too many b series around
Weight is not really a big issue man, get a set of good coilovers and your set.
Heaps of ppl say h22 is too heavy for a civic, how heavy is k20 compared to h22?

H22 ftw man

[[NAV]]

h22 for street use/ and drag strip
b18c7 for the track

the h22 is a great motor with plenty of torque.. however installing a h22 into a civic would be costly... can anybody confirm a rough installation price of a h22 in a ek/em/ej?

[rebound]

I was looking at a H22Z -> EK hatch and labour alone was at least >$1500

Thats not including custom engine mounts (at least $800, most likely will be needed to be shipped from overseas), upgrading suspension, upgrading front and rear brakes and the possibility of a/c or p/s being sacrificed.

Not to mention a custom exhaust will most likely be needed, depending on the chassis being used.

[55EXX]

the h22 is only 30 kg more. ps and ac ain't needed for 400m. now they only suck power so how dedicated are you to going fast in a straight line? ac and ps can be kept with some work.

b18 will keep the dynamics of your car and be faster as the h22 sits higher and more forward offsetting its weight balance. something that can be learned into the way you drive your car and the way you set it up. either way you will have a fun time at the track and learn what is needed to better your times.

[CB7_OWNER]

B18CR Just the reason that the parts are readily availble in Aust ....If i were in the states, i'd go H22a.. for the same reason..

[paps02]

;1952791']h22 for street use/ and drag strip
b18c7 for the track

the h22 is a great motor with plenty of torque.. however installing a h22 into a civic would be costly... can anybody confirm a rough installation price of a h22 in a ek/em/ej?

2000 + custom shafts + plus mounts... im looking at the same cost either way as the b18 would be cheaper install but more expensive motor....

i had a crazy thought. why not both at the same time..... h2b!!!