P plater driving DC5 R

[Nathn]

hey all, considering getting a DC5 R just wanting to see of it is legal for a p plater... I'm on the old p plate system.

Cheers.

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

Which state?

[Nathn]

vic.. I think the law is 125kw per tonn or somthing

[MikeyG]

syd= yes
vic = no
qld= yes

sa=dunno
wa=yes i think
nt= does NT have cars?
tas= yes i think so

[Nathn]

why not in vic?

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

Power to Weight Ratio/KW to Tonne thing

Its shoghey but atleast you guys have a chance of tarbo

[Nathn]

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6 looking at that dc5 r's weigh 1160 with 147kw = 127kw per tonn ( not legal)... how much does a dc5r with aircon weigh?

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

hahahahaa it doesn't count if you make it lose weight (its going from STOCK weight)

[Nathn]

yeah I know this... it states in the thread ( http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6 ) that the air con is optional, so im guessing its from the factory.... Im wanting to know what the weight is in a dc5r with air con..

[Lukey]

no tarbo in vic unless u got ur p's before july or june 1 in 2007

[danielj]

if it doesn't meet the power to weight law but does meet the new laws..then you can still drive it.

http://www.arrivealive.vic.gov.au/node/196

"The previous power to weight restriction will continue to apply to any probationary driver who obtained their licence before 1 July 2007.

However, if a probationary driver with a pre-July 2007 licence has a car that does not meet the power to weight restrictions, but it does comply with the new high powered vehicle restrictions effective from July 2007, then the probationary driver may drive the car."

[FASN8U]

its over the kw/per tonne law so no you cant drive it . i went through all of this wen buying my dc5 hence why i didnt buy a type s/r

[rbk_212]

its over the kw/per tonne law so no you cant drive it . i went through all of this wen buying my dc5 hence why i didnt buy a type s/r

your wrong and "danielj"'s post explains why, if you have a pre-July 07 probationary license and your car meets the new restrictions but breaks the old ones, then its still fine

[FASN8U]

yer i no about the pre july im pretty sure its stil outlawed, dont bother ringin vic roads ring the cop station

[rbk_212]

yer i no about the pre july im pretty sure its stil outlawed, dont bother ringin vic roads ring the cop station

its not still outlawed. Its not a Hi-Po 6, or V8 or turbocharged or supercharged..
therefore you can drive it.

its written in the rulebook, case closed

[Zinyo]

If you're in victoria then you can drive it. I've already called up vicroads and currently looking to buy a dc5r (Im a P-plater btw). Drive it, our fat ass will probly make it 50kw per tonne anyway. hahah..jkjk :)

[FASN8U]

lol fu ck vicroad they dont no shit , all you get is the interpretation of the person who answers there calls . i rang up an one bitch said i cant drive a stock v6 commodore lol

[eg5civic]

the RTO or vicroads as you call it are all useless

i called up got put from a lady to an "operator" through to modifications who then gave me another number to call which is a different section

lazy pricks just pass the ball

[iLlusion10]

I've got a friend who has a DC5R, has had no problems with it, the rules are clearly stated in Vicroads, there's no other way you can misinterpret them. If you get trouble with cops, it's clearly stated that it's legal...

[TONTON]

just take off the wing and afew stickers...

:P

[FASN8U]

then get into an accident and find that unsurance wont cover you and the car you hit , sounds like a good idea to me!

[TONTON]

but dc5r's are legal... im just saying to take off the stickers and spoiler to attract unwanted attention mate, since p platers get alot of attention already. i would know as im on my p's and i drive a red euro sport.. and i always get pulled over and followed... its just a normal euro that looks kinda sporty with the kit and rims and foggies.

[rbk_212]

then get into an accident and find that unsurance wont cover you and the car you hit , sounds like a good idea to me!

how many times do we need to say that a dc5r is legal...

[tmy]

Just curious on what happens if i (NSW Green P-plater) got to Victoria with an S2000 (pretty sure its not legal in VIC for P-Platers) would i have any issues?

[rbk_212]

Just curious on what happens if i (NSW Green P-plater) got to Victoria with an S2000 (pretty sure its not legal in VIC for P-Platers) would i have any issues?

none, perfectly legal

4 cyl NA

[eg5civic]

yeah me too

i want to take my eg down there next year but i dont know if it will be legal with the motor swap

[iLlusion10]

then get into an accident and find that unsurance wont cover you and the car you hit , sounds like a good idea to me!

errmm so Vicroads website is lying? It's quite black and white, it's legal to drive a DC5R on P-plates, considering I know people that have full comp LEGAL insurance on their DC5R on P-plates..and Vicroads have approved it..I don't understand where you get the information that it's ILLEGAL

[rbk_212]

yeah me too

i want to take my eg down there next year but i dont know if it will be legal with the motor swap

ooo motor swap could be another story dude, might wanna ring the authorities on that one

BUT i will say this, im assuming you a have B16 in your EG? its still a 1.6L NA so i cant really see there being any problem as the capacity hasnt changed

also, whos gonna know except a honda enthusiast? it'll just look like another red B series..

[FASN8U]

errmm so Vicroads website is lying? It's quite black and white, it's legal to drive a DC5R on P-plates, considering I know people that have full comp LEGAL insurance on their DC5R on P-plates..and Vicroads have approved it..I don't understand where you get the information that it's ILLEGAL

its not vic roads you have to worry bout its the boys in blue pulling you over (the ones that no there stuff) happend to mate who can according to vic roads drive a vs exec 5l , got shafted in it by cops apperently they have some sort of lise of cars and yer he tried to take it to court an lost.

[rbk_212]

its not vic roads you have to worry bout its the boys in blue pulling you over (the ones that no there stuff) happend to mate who can according to vic roads drive a vs exec 5l , got shafted in it by cops apperently they have some sort of lise of cars and yer he tried to take it to court an lost.

Vs exec 5L as in a V8?

for christs sake, yes any car with 8 or more cylinders is illegal.... have you even read the rules?

and the boys in blue can only enforce the laws, not create them, so yes vic roads is what you should be worried about...

[iLlusion10]

its not vic roads you have to worry bout its the boys in blue pulling you over (the ones that no there stuff) happend to mate who can according to vic roads drive a vs exec 5l , got shafted in it by cops apperently they have some sort of lise of cars and yer he tried to take it to court an lost.

As above, Cops can't make up new legislation, they only enforce current legislation, and yes the a VS exec 5l = V8 which is not allowed on Vicroads. clearly stated.

[[SDCTVE]]

its not vic roads you have to worry bout its the boys in blue pulling you over (the ones that no there stuff) happend to mate who can according to vic roads drive a vs exec 5l , got shafted in it by cops apperently they have some sort of lise of cars and yer he tried to take it to court an lost.

man driving a v8 commodore on ur p's is just asking for trouble!!!!!!!!

the answer is yes, you can drive a dc5r on ur p's in victoria!

thats correct what you say, theres a list of cars that your not permitted to drive on ur p's and the dc5r is not one of them!

[[SDCTVE]]

and just to clarify something, the new victorian laws are
p platers cannot drive a turbo charged or a v8 car
even if its less than the power to weight ratio of 8kg per kw... which is also 125kw per tonne
regardless if you got your p's before july 2008 and regardless if your on red or green p's!

[aaronng]

its not vic roads you have to worry bout its the boys in blue pulling you over (the ones that no there stuff) happend to mate who can according to vic roads drive a vs exec 5l , got shafted in it by cops apperently they have some sort of lise of cars and yer he tried to take it to court an lost.

Here is the list.
If you got your P license BEFORE 1st July 2007, you use the power to weight ratio:
http://www.arrivealive.vic.gov.au/node/199
That means no DC5R, no S2000, but you can drive a V8 if it is under 125kW/tonne

If you got your P license AFTER 1st July 2007, you use the banned vehicle list:
http://www.arrivealive.vic.gov.au/node/197
This means you can drive the DC5R and S2000 but you cannot have a V8, eventhough the V8 is a 1.0L and makes only 50kW.

I recommend you print out the page that is relevant to you and keep it in your car. It would have helped your mate if the VS 5L V8 was under 125kW/tonne, that he got his Ps before 1st July 2007 and he had a copy of this document with him to show the cops.

Edit: VS Exec 5L has 168kW and weighs 1448kg, giving 116kW/tonne. So IF he got his Ps before 1st July 2007, it would be legal to drive that car on Ps.

[[SDCTVE]]

ok all this is a little contradicting each other
i've spoken to a cop about this and this is what he said...
from JULY 2008 (thats when the p plate system got split into red and green)
no v8's no turbo's AND power to weight still applies!
they have a list of cars that are not permitted for p platers to drive BUT even tho the DC5R JUST exceeds the power to weight ratio limit its not on there! however the DC5S is!

[rbk_212]

;1963370']ok all this is a little contradicting each other
i've spoken to a cop about this and this is what he said...
from JULY 2008 (thats when the p plate system got split into red and green)
no v8's no turbo's AND power to weight still applies!
they have a list of cars that are not permitted for p platers to drive BUT even tho the DC5R JUST exceeds the power to weight ratio limit its not on there! however the DC5S is!

i thought the only had a list of hi powered six cylinders and any NA 4 cyl is all right.

see what you says go against the new rules that have been posted up earlier. im not saying your lying im just pointing out how confusing this system is.

for example that VS exec 5L is illegal under the new laws, yet was legal according to the old power to weight system. i mean wtf

[aaronng]

;1963370']
i've spoken to a cop about this and this is what he said...
from JULY 2008 (thats when the p plate system got split into red and green)
no v8's no turbo's [highlight]AND power to weight still applies!
Unfortunately, the cop is contradicting the new rules. And it is very bad luck for new P platers in VIC. I strongly recommend that you all print out the page that I linked above and keep it in your car, as you will come across cops who think like the cop that you spoke to. :(

[FASN8U]

Vs exec 5L as in a V8?

for christs sake, yes any car with 8 or more cylinders is illegal.... have you even read the rules?

and the boys in blue can only enforce the laws, not create them, so yes vic roads is what you should be worried about...

no its not (to old p platers)

[blingbling121]

haha you got fooled out of a type r lol

[FASN8U]

i dont want a type r.....

[rbk_212]

haha you got fooled out of a type r lol

i think thats exactly what happened..

lol nah thats just mean

[FASN8U]

lol nah i dont want a type R ,maybe a type S but insurance would kill me on it and i wanted an automatic cause im lazy lol

[[SDCTVE]]

i thought the only had a list of hi powered six cylinders and any NA 4 cyl is all right.

see what you says go against the new rules that have been posted up earlier. im not saying your lying im just pointing out how confusing this system is.

for example that VS exec 5L is illegal under the new laws, yet was legal according to the old power to weight system. i mean wtf

it is a little confusing....

but the power to weight ratio which was the old law, and the new law about no v8's or turbos are COMBINED!!!

which means you CANNOT drive a type S or a S2000 cos yes they are 4 cylinders but they exceed the power to weight ratio..

the new law was brought out to be TOUGHER not CONTRADICT the old one!

[rbk_212]

;1970446']it is a little confusing....

but the power to weight ratio which was the old law, and the new law about no v8's or turbos are COMBINED!!!

which means you CANNOT drive a type S or a S2000 cos yes they are 4 cylinders but they exceed the power to weight ratio..

the new law was brought out to be TOUGHER not CONTRADICT the old one!

but see your wrong too...

"The previous power to weight restriction will continue to apply to any probationary driver who obtained their licence before 1 July 2007.

However, if a probationary driver with a pre-July 2007 licence has a car that does not meet the power to weight restrictions, but it does comply with the new high powered vehicle restrictions effective from July 2007, then the probationary driver may drive the car." (as posted earlier)

that says that power to weight only applies to pre July 2007 P platers.

ADDITIONALLY if your car breaks that power to weight barrier but does not violate new "high-powered car laws" (list of hi-po 6s, anything more than 8 cylinders, and no forced induction) than you CAN DRIVE THAT CAR

that means that YES you can drive an s2000 or a type S/R as it is a 4cyl NA

furthermore the laws were not changed to be tougher but to SIMPLER, it was too hard to enforce a power to weight law so just blanket banning certain cars is much easier to enforce

the point is the laws are contradictory and ridiculous

[FASN8U]

the point is the laws are contradictory and ridiculous

agreed

[TypeS]

but see your wrong too...

"The previous power to weight restriction will continue to apply to any probationary driver who obtained their licence before 1 July 2007.

However, if a probationary driver with a pre-July 2007 licence has a car that does not meet the power to weight restrictions, but it does comply with the new high powered vehicle restrictions effective from July 2007, then the probationary driver may drive the car." (as posted earlier)

that says that power to weight only applies to pre July 2007 P platers.

ADDITIONALLY if your car breaks that power to weight barrier but does not violate new "high-powered car laws" (list of hi-po 6s, anything more than 8 cylinders, and no forced induction) than you CAN DRIVE THAT CAR

that means that YES you can drive an s2000 or a type S/R as it is a 4cyl NA

furthermore the laws were not changed to be tougher but to SIMPLER, it was too hard to enforce a power to weight law so just blanket banning certain cars is much easier to enforce

the point is the laws are contradictory and ridiculous

That's correct. Furthermore i wouldn't worry too much, I've seen cops drive past p-plate turbo R34's, s15's, without any issues. Chances are if they do pull you over, they will be busy defecting you on the mods you have. And half of the cops don't even know what an integra is!

[rbk_212]

That's correct. Furthermore i wouldn't worry too much, I've seen cops drive past p-plate turbo R34's, s15's, without any issues. Chances are if they do pull you over, they will be busy defecting you on the mods you have. And half of the cops don't even know what an integra is!

thats a very good point and your right,

Hondas arent high risk cars like WRX's and skylines that most people hoon around in, many cops wouldnt look twice

[FASN8U]

cops look for and pick out
ridiculously low
loud
stockies on the back (rwd cars)
big shiny rims

as for cars i think they tend to stay away from hondas opposed to commodores , skylines , silvia's an so on

[The Dog]

DEAD SET! u cant drive a type R cos of 2 kw! thats such crap. gayest laws in australia...

[[SDCTVE]]

thats ****ed how theres still two different laws!
but i kinda agree with the new law... p platers shouldn't drive hi powered cars!

and thats true about what you said about hondas, i had a turbocharged dc2 on my p's with a massive intercooler hanging out the front, and never been stopped by cops!

[Honda_machine1]

lol nah i dont want a type R ,maybe a type S but insurance would kill me on it and i wanted an automatic cause im lazy lol

You would actually find the insurance is that mch different. Im on green Ps (nearly off) and the insurance was guna be only 100 less than what a civic sport of a similar price range was...excess aside.
Its still expensive yeah, but if your guna spend a fair bit of coin on a car its not going to make that much difference to the premium to go the one u really want.

And i wish insurance mobs would have clearly define what a performance car is...