The Disclaimer

[The X Man]

I think the disclaimer

"The X Man, welcome to Ozhonda. In order to gain "Member" status and earn the right to sell items in the Marketplace you need to be registered for atleast 90 days and have a minimum of 1 Post Quality (PQ) point. More information on the PQ points system can be found here. Once you gain Member status this message will disappear. Enjoy your stay here on Ozhonda!"

should be removed from Paid Members of this forum.

We have contributed to the forum and not being able to sell anything becuase of this crap is just stupid. To me it's a one way street here, give and get nothing back in return.

[Q_ball]

I think the disclaimer

"The X Man, welcome to Ozhonda. In order to gain "Member" status and earn the right to sell items in the Marketplace you need to be registered for atleast 90 days and have a minimum of 1 Post Quality (PQ) point. More information on the PQ points system can be found here. Once you gain Member status this message will disappear. Enjoy your stay here on Ozhonda!"

should be removed from Paid Members of this forum.

We have contributed to the forum and not being able to sell anything becuase of this crap is just stupid. To me it's a one way street here, give and get nothing back in return.

You dont pay to sell here..
If you want to do that, there's Ebay and the likes.
Alternatively, you can become a trader.

You have to contribute to sell here.
We only expect members who genuinely want to donate to this forum to do so - it's in no way a loop hole for people to by pass the current selling restrictions that we have in place.

[bennjamin]

Speaking of loopholes , remove your signature as we do not allow sales of any kidns for newcomers.
Earn rep points by being helpful around the forum , andyu will not have this problem.

[chunky]

LOL
this guy donated and still cant sell
dude just get 1 pq point and maintain it for 90 days or whatever and there you go :thumbsup:
one way street my ass
you're just trying to cut lanes

[The X Man]

Jam it up your ass chunky.

If you had any brains you would of already worked out that i have contributed to this forum already but i guess your the expert.

[bennjamin]

you need to contribute more to increase your chances of actually receiving rep.

[eg5civic]

i love how people think they can pay their way in the world

i've been here for a few months mate and havent got a pq point... stiff shit, i'll get one eventually, i'm starting to contribute in the n00b and >00' model civic forum

[The X Man]

i love how people think they can pay their way in the world

I assume you get everything for free? Do you steal for a living or something?

My point is this is the only forum i have passed on some $$$ to that just lets you change a few pissy options and provides access to a dead Supporters Area and thats all. Quite lame.

Other forums send you stickers for your support (or at least a thankyou, nothing like that here) and some others give you many more features and less restrictions on the forum itself.

The fact is without "paid supporters" this forum would likely be dead and buried becuase like most owners of forums, they don't like digging into their own pockets to fund sites such as this type.

Critisize all you want, it's my opinion and i am entitled to it so deal with it.

[bennjamin]

People support forums just so they can exist.

You clearly expect more for your moneys worth , And are clearly upset because you cannot sell here yet.
Get off your e-ass and try to help out more. Statistically the more you help out , the more likely you are to get a rep in return.

[eg5civic]

I assume you get everything for free? Do you steal for a living or something?

My point is this is the only forum i have passed on some $$$ to that just lets you change a few pissy options and provides access to a dead Supporters Area and thats all. Quite lame.

Other forums send you stickers for your support (or at least a thankyou, nothing like that here) and some others give you many more features and less restrictions on the forum itself.

The fact is without "paid supporters" this forum would likely be dead and buried becuase like most owners of forums, they don't like digging into their own pockets to fund sites such as this type.

Critisize all you want, it's my opinion and i am entitled to it so deal with it.

No i dont steal... And i dont pay my way around the world.. there are some things money can't buy mate... Like the right to sell on Ozhonda;)

Buying things and expecting to be given rights for "donating" are two different things.. when asked for a breast cancer donation do you expect something in return? Do you demand a sticker?

maybe you should fo read the donations thread to see what you would receive





Option 1 - $10 Subscription


Receive a 100 message PM box and never worry about missing a PM again!
Option 2 - $20 Subscription

Larger PM box - Store upto 150 messages as opposed to 30 for normal users.
Attachment quota - Ozhonda supporters have their attachment quota double to that of Newcommers/Members.
Custom user title - By default you will get the title "Ozhonda Supporter" but you can change this anytime yourself by just going to your profile and updating it whenever you want and as many times as you want!
Double avatar size limit - Ozhonda Supporters get a 40K limit for their avatars (as opposed to 20K for other users).
Option 3 - $30 Subscription


All the benefits of Option 2 PLUS:
Access to a special subscribers' forum where you can talk in person to all the moderators and other supporters.
Your very own Ozhonda Email address (Eg username @ ozhonda.com)


as quoted from here http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7156

maybe you should also check this out http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31660

I'm not having a dig at you mate but if you think the forum rules are shit, or you feel like you got ripped off maybe you should see where your putting your money before you just go and assume things

And in the end dont like it, dont use it

Thats my opinion and i am entitled to it so deal with it.

[The X Man]

Lets get one thing straight. There is a big difference to DONATING and the other SUPPORTING. You need to look these up to make sense of that if need be.

With donating it is expected to receive nothing at all in return, especially causes such as The Breast Cancer Foundation but you contribute to saving someones life, to me thats worthwhile.

In a car forum with many "my shit don't stink" members then "supporting" should involve more then just a few poxy forum inclusions.

But i agree with one point you make and that is " maybe you should see where your putting your money before you just go and assume things". Yes, i now see it as a waste of money even though its just $30, especially considering you get flamed for passing comment.

I suppose all forums have kiddies and this one is no different.

[bennjamin]

You are getting flamed because you are passing on aggression , for something you re upset about.

All complaints about the supporter status , try pming Wynode himself. He takes your money and makes this place so ask him.

Otherwise relax.

The disclaimer will not be removed. Try harder out there and one day you will be able to sell on this forum and make back that huge $30.



$30 over 3 years is nothing.

[eg5civic]

Lets get one thing straight. There is a big difference to DONATING and the other SUPPORTING. You need to look these up to make sense of that if need be.

I suppose all forums have kiddies and this one is no different.

Donation: A donation is a gift given, typically to a cause or/and for charitable purposes.

Support- Verb:to support - To help, particularly financially.

Guess the kiddies in school with no money have more brains than some who can throw cash around

No-one said you have to support Ozhonda, many ozhonda supporters are members who have been here a long time..... Not who have just signed up...

Why would you support something you know nothing about?

As ben said your not passing a comment your venting anger cause you lost $30's.

If you got an issue take it up with Wynodem as has been stated otherwise, welcome to Ozhonda, THANK YOU for supporting it and enjoy your stay:thumbsup:

[trism]

With donating it is expected to receive nothing at all in return, especially causes such as The Breast Cancer Foundation but you contribute to saving someones life, to me thats worthwhile.



once again, and you even said it, it was written there thats what you get, so why cmplain.

[The X Man]

once again, and you even said it, it was written there thats what you get, so why cmplain.

Some of you people must be plain stupid - seriously.

Donations to funds such as The Cancer Foundation etc are REGISTERED as charity organizations, Ozhonda isn't one of these. Donations to these charity organisations is also fully Tax deductible.

As i said earlier, donations and supporting can be read as two completely different things. Donations you can expect nothing at all in return directly but supporting a forum to which the owner is profiting there should be something other then a few crappy forum changes provided in return.

In any case i have viewed my opnion so thats the end of it in my view. Feel free to bignote yourself here further if you feel the need however i won't be reading it. Some of us have a life and better things to do then read forums all day.

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

LOL at this (Butt Hurt) thread

Fact is your contribution is exactly that.

A contribution to keep the site running AND to better yourself (dont you appreciate that bigger Pm Box? i know i sure would) just like any other contribution

This isn't NS where you pay your 20 dorrar and can sell away.

Fact is if you keep posting in other thread and contributing to the community (i.e share info that hasn't been shared or re-iterate info for the less technical savvy) you will in turn receive the holey rep which will allow you to sell.

Just because you post in 1-6 threads with rep worthy info doesn't mean you're going to get it.

More threads you help and contribute in (and dont flame) = the more likely you are to receive Rep (which = you being able to sell)

[dsp26]

Some of you people must be plain stupid - seriously.

Donations to funds such as The Cancer Foundation etc are REGISTERED as charity organizations, Ozhonda isn't one of these. Donations to these charity organisations is also fully Tax deductible.

As i said earlier, donations and supporting can be read as two completely different things. Donations you can expect nothing at all in return directly but supporting a forum to which the owner is profiting there should be something other then a few crappy forum changes provided in return.

In any case i have viewed my opnion so thats the end of it in my view. Feel free to bignote yourself here further if you feel the need however i won't be reading it. Some of us have a life and better things to do then read forums all day.

FFS how old are you man. you should understand how business and organisations work.. their tax deductable as an incentive for people to do so as obviously not many people are charitable... heck those "donation" boxes in church are tax deductable.... but what sad **** claims it back on tax... defeats the purpose... still contradicts the word DONATE.

Now STFU and stop trying to make a play on words... us "Donators" aren't doing so, so that the money gets wasted on server space on opportunists like you.

The system works fine... your not 'reputable' at this stage to be trusted selling parts, for all we know you'd take the money and not send the part... your not known in this forum, you haven't been here long.. its there to protect others.

[krogoth]

let me explain y ppl become supporters of ozhonda

i chose to because i like and appreciate this forum, and chose to help out, financially towards maintaining it

i was able to sell b4 i became a supporter, and i knew anyway that donating wont allow you to sell, that is obvious

because if donating allowed u to sell, then this forum would become entirely a market place

and u are paying $30 to become a mini trader

no middle ground, either u sell a few things for free or u pay a large fee per year and become a proper trader

its black and white

there is no argument

u are rong and thats it

[damienm]

lol ladies stop arguing. i can see where youre coming from x-mam, i thought that the system was stupid as all the useful info that i know is actually already posted in this forum but then chuck norris (ben) told me that providing links for others can earn you rep points so i just browsed through the threads n posted a link for some dingus. n look at me noww im a memmberr!!

[dsp26]

let me explain y ppl become supporters of ozhonda

i chose to because i like and appreciate this forum, and chose to help out, financially towards maintaining it

i was able to sell b4 i became a supporter, and i knew anyway that donating wont allow you to sell, that is obvious

because if donating allowed u to sell, then this forum would become entirely a market place

and u are paying $30 to become a mini trader

no middle ground, either u sell a few things for free or u pay a large fee per year and become a proper trader

its black and white

there is no argument

u are rong and thats it
:thumbsup::thumbsup: ditto.members here have probably saved me $xxxx's on useful tech... $30 is a small price to pay.


lol ladies stop arguing. i can see where youre coming from x-mam, i thought that the system was stupid as all the useful info that i know is actually already posted in this forum but then chuck norris (ben) told me that providing links for others can earn you rep points so i just browsed through the threads n posted a link for some dingus. n look at me noww im a memmberr!!
:thumbsup::thumbsup: i rep these over people asking for rep lol

[eg5civic]

:thumbsup::thumbsup: i rep these over people asking for rep lol

Yerp i got my 2 rep points over
1) telling someone i had been int he same situation as them and what i did (and advise them to do) to fix it

2) A guy asked in the n00b forum about camber kits and i linked him to the Camber kit (and bad design) thread and was repped by a mod

Not hard when you think about it.... i didnt even do anything out of my way

[bennjamin]

exactly.

FFS you angry newcomers expecting the world off this free website and our freelance time , We really all have much better things to do.

closed

[wynode]

Just to clarify,

As eg5civic has outlined it clearly says in the thread that 'Subscriptions' (they are no longer called donations) DO NOT allow you to bypass the market place selling restrictions. The benefits they provide you with for your $$$ are also clearly outlined. Hence I don't see any reason why the message at the top of the forum index page (for newcomers) should be removed.

Please take care and read all details before making accusations.



maybe you should fo read the donations thread to see what you would receive

as quoted from here http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7156

maybe you should also check this out http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31660