turbo manifold???

[myztery]

hey every1,
you probably know my setup by now... and i just needed feedback on this item i found on ebay????

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Turbo-Manifold-for-92-95-Honda-Civic-with-D16-Engine_W0QQitemZ170275123845QQcmdZViewItem?hash=it em170275123845&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318[/URL]...

what are your thoughts, and any suggestions???

yes or no

[Riced_Civic]

NO!!!!!! U get what u pay for.

Ebay manifolds are cheap and shit, so are the kits u find on there as well. stay away

rather see u spend your money on quality

[DLO01]

As said, you get what you pay for. I would never get it.

And the wastegate placement is very poor.

[myztery]

NO!!!!!! U get what u pay for.

Ebay manifolds are cheap and shit, so are the kits u find on there as well. stay away

rather see u spend your money on quality


As said, you get what you pay for. I would never get it.

And the wastegate placement is very poor.

thanks buddies, then the question is where do go to get one remade at a good price???

[Limbo]

try this for a read on manifolds, give you an idea of what is out there and a rough price range

http://www.team-integra.net/forum/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=12&TopicID=77064&PageMsg=Viewing+Common+Topic

[myztery]

try this for a read on manifolds, give you an idea of what is out there and a rough price range

http://www.team-integra.net/forum/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=12&TopicID=77064&PageMsg=Viewing+Common+Topic

thanks big help:)

[FastFwd]

I've had big problems with Ram horn style manifolds. My first one was a ebay one which fell apart after 3 months. then i had a custom one made up in replica of the ebay one which lasted bit over 6 months which i repaired and then failed after another 6 months.

I then purchased one of these below and i havent had a peep out of it since i got it and its been well over a year.
http://home.comcast.net/~chamm1/turbomanifolds/revhard2.jpg

Get a good mani and you wont regret the money spent.

[myztery]

its booked in to receive a new transplant. custom making one out of steam pipe for around 1200 not sure if thats good: any thoughts...

[VTi_b0i]

i totally agree with FastFWD :D i bought a full race manifold, Has a LIFETIME warranty and the have AWSOME customer service... AND give great gains! problem is, u MAY have to get a new turbo, and dump pipe...

[myztery]

Ive seen the full race manifold on another setup, same turbo different waste gate setup though...

[DLO01]

You get what you pay for, full stop.


its booked in to receive a new transplant. custom making one out of steam pipe for around 1200 not sure if thats good: any thoughts...

Full race ramhorns go for $1000 usd. Custom is always expensive as its always a 1 off/first time. Hopefully the guy doing it for you is good.

What WG are you going to use? Setup?

[VTi_b0i]

wouldnt u rather, a TRIED and TESTED manifold then a 1 off tho? cause it might not be worth the money?

[myztery]

im going to use the same wastegate, i was refer by adrian at toda of the exhaust place. forgot the name though...steam pipe is a bit smaller which might get rid of a bit of lag

[Sexc86]

hey every1,
you probably know my setup by now... and i just needed feedback on this item i found on ebay????

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Turbo-Manifold-for-92-95-Honda-Civic-with-D16-Engine_W0QQitemZ170275123845QQcmdZViewItem?hash=it em170275123845&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318[/URL]...

what are your thoughts, and any suggestions???

yes or no



Mate why are you looking at junk like this? Last time i checked john ran either a genunine full race or a good quality replica on your setup. Why change?

[myztery]

Mate why are you looking at junk like this? Last time i checked john ran either a genunine full race or a good quality replica on your setup. Why change?

its cracking all over the place i used steal welds but its just cracking around it

[A-man]

those xspower manifolds if u want it better u can do this
obviously this isnt finished he needs to move the surports over because one is on the turbo flange lol
http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o374/ZeroFabeng/DSCI0328.jpg
http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o374/ZeroFabeng/DSCI0340-1.jpg

weld the surports onto the flange that way its stronger when it holds the turbo up.

the ugr manifold has them aswell those turbos r pretty heavy

mines been toughened up underneath on the exhaust so touch wood *touchs head* it shouldnt crack

this car build is nice as its stolen off g2ic.com
http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o374/ZeroFabeng/DSCI0338.jpg

[FastFwd]

those xspower manifolds if u want it better u can do this
obviously this isnt finished he needs to move the surports over because one is on the turbo flange lol


Nah i did this a-man when i had my crappy xspower mani 2 years ago and it doesnt help. The stainless steal is only 1.5mm thick piping and over time the vibrations and heat just tare appart the manifold even if it has support.

[A-man]

aw right what manifold r u using now can u post a pic?

[FastFwd]

Im using that Rev hard one. I posted a pic on the first page of this thread

[VTi_b0i]

heres my manifold:
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/2372/photo0021ch0.th.jpg (http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=photo0021ch0.jpg)

[FastFwd]

heres my manifold:
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/2372/photo0021ch0.th.jpg (http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=photo0021ch0.jpg)

Is that xs power or another brand? looked just like my old one?

[DLO01]

Full Race yo!

[A-man]

yeh they look the same but the materials its made of is the only difference

[A-man]

do u run a/c fast fwd?

[FastFwd]

do u run a/c fast fwd?

No a/c, i could probably fit it now with my new manifold setup but with the xspower one and the one after it both didnt fit the AC so i removed it. Plus it must of been about 40/50kg less and less pully of the crank so i removed everything for good. Piping everything.

[A-man]

aw serious
thats not bad effort

what radiator r u running? with that xspower manifold? im running twin core civic rad but in summer (today with a 12 inch and 8 inch thermo it over heats a little)

what temps do u get?

[FastFwd]

nah not running the xspower mani anymore...chucked that.

im using an aftermarket Aluminium Radiator. Forgot the name brand but its about 3 times as thick as the stock one. Runs alot cooler. always under 82 degree's where the stock was like 87-89 and would creap up when i thrashed the car a bit

[A-man]

lol yeh true mine does the same unless u have the heater on the whole time coz then it dont move no matter what u run

mine runs around 97 degrees on aftermarket gauge on the bottom hose... the stock engine gauge reads normal temp... ive just bought the pwr one hopefully this will fix it

[FastFwd]

I check mine from my Power FC A-man, straight from the ECU :) was around 35 degree's outside today in perth and it was running 79 :) i was like woahh awesome

[A-man]

aw k... thats good man

ive got a radiator shop looking into making mine a bigger capacity.. im thinkin about a 2nd radiator that is part of the 1st rad its just because space is a problem....

[myztery]

talk about off topic...
now back to the topic, has any one tried ak motorworks ram mani???

[Riced_Civic]

if the manifold i bought b4 hand doesn't work out i will be using one of theres as they are doing my kit.

[myztery]

if the manifold i bought b4 hand doesn't work out i will be using one of theres as they are doing my kit.

keep me informed on there mani please feed back would be appreciated...

[iced]

im going to use the same wastegate, i was refer by adrian at toda of the exhaust place. forgot the name though...steam pipe is a bit smaller which might get rid of a bit of lag

he prob referred you to haks at performance exhaust.
he does good work.

[dc4t]

if ur gonna go down that path of buying ebay manifolds, never buy stainless steel ones.. go for cast iron

[Limbo]

yeah he's good he's making mine also.


he prob referred you to haks at performance exhaust.
he does good work.

[A-man]

yeh but member to get the wastegate in the middle of the 4 runners not off on one because u will have more control of boost with the gate on 4 runners not on 1

the cast iron ones dont look that good but they seem to be the way to go

[myztery]

he prob referred you to haks at performance exhaust.
he does good work.

thats the one

[Limbo]

that's ture but the longer runners give less turbulance in a header. WHen hitting higher RPM makes alot of difference to the power & spooling, that's why all high power applications generally use longer runners, but you got it right about boost control , you want the wastegate to be on most of the runners to release faster.


yeh but member to get the wastegate in the middle of the 4 runners not off on one because u will have more control of boost with the gate on 4 runners not on 1

the cast iron ones dont look that good but they seem to be the way to go

[votek]

heres mine

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb1/jasongilholme/16LTR/IMG_6384.jpg

[A-man]

thats hot man and good quality to

[Riced_Civic]

man that looks crazy. if i cant fit the cast iron mani, i might go for a custom top mount

[SeverAMV]

if you've got money and want something nice, check out www.fjdistributors, they have a ramhorn style manifold.

[Limbo]

votek, just wondering if that manifold has a/c clearance probs or did you opt for no a/c?

[DLO01]

if you've got money and want something nice, check out www.fjdistributors (http://www.fjdistributors), they have a ramhorn style manifold.

Link not working.


votek, just wondering if that manifold has a/c clearance probs or did you opt for no a/c?

Voteks manifold is not AC friendly.

[votek]

oh really? lol

i thought ill switch the turbo the other way around lol .. never mind

[Limbo]

yeah i'm getting abit old, i need the comfort of a/c

[DLO01]

oh really? lol

i thought ill switch the turbo the other way around lol .. never mind

No chance. Absolutly no room for down pipe between turbo and AC compressor.

[Limbo]

the way you generally tell if a manifold clears is if the turbo port is close to the second exhaust port. Its gotta be at least half-way in the middle to have any chance of /ac, that's what i noticed from my manifold. Even then it's a tight squeeze

[DLO01]

Exacery. Turbo exhaust housing (when compressor housing on drivers side) needs to be at least smack bang in the middle of 2 & 3 cylinder runners to give enough room for a down pipe to clear AC compressor.

Also you can also tell if its AC friendly if the turbo flange is on an angle to clear larger frame turbos away from the engine block webbing and bell of the gearbox.

Heres some pic's cause I am bored: :(

Ac friendly manifold:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a265/DLO01/Misc/ResizeofRLD-Fab1.jpg


Close proximity for downpipe (3 inch). Ac compressor on right (passenger side). (photo taken from under car)
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a265/DLO01/Misc/ResizeofDSC01542.jpg

[A-man]

fark thats close nice manifold but and u can fit a 3inch dump to.... thats where mine fails mine can only fit a 2inch i think... though my turbo exhaust wheel is only 2inch but i think it should still b 3

[FastFwd]

My ram horn performed much better than my current Rev mani. It must have dropped .02 of a second on initial spool but it spooled up quicker and felt it held more power on the higher RPM. I wouldnt mind looking at a top mounted Ram horn style mani where the ram goes under not over and your turbo sits nicely along side your motor and is directly in front of you when you open the hood. Seems alot cleaner install.

Like this setup below, but a really nicely made one something that's not gonna break on me and has alot of support for the turbo so it doesn't crack over time.

http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o374/ZeroFabeng/DSCI0328.jpg

I wonder how much a nice one would cost. I could sell my steam pipe one for a bit and get myself one of those.

[DLO01]

Top mount manifolds for B series:

Full Race $1199 usd
Peakboost $899 usd
AFI $1050 usd
Love Fab $1099 usd
Spoolin Performance $900 usd

None of the top makers put extra bracing on thier manifolds to support the weight. Just remember that a 'hollow pipe' is very strong. So taking that, if the material is thick enough and the welder knows what hes doing there will be no problems. Majority of those above provide full backup on thier manifolds too.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a265/DLO01/Temp/BSERIESTOPMOUNTFRONTVIEW.jpg

[VTi_b0i]

i know Full Race manifolds come with a Lifetime warranty

[Riced_Civic]

yes, i sooooo want a top mount now

[A-man]

yeh plus they r made of steam pipe that helps sooo much those china manifold like mine arent.. it depends on the steel used weather it cracks or not

if u gonna sell ur manifold fast fwd let me kno im very interested

[DLO01]

The ones I listed above are all Stainless Steel.

[A-man]

yeh but there is different grades of stainless steel on the cheap manifolds they use the cheap stainless grade thats y they crack there not designed for exhaust manifolds where things like steam pipe that comes in stainless is designed for these applications

[FastFwd]

Yeh my current is steam pipe, Very Very strong and ive had no problems yet. A-man give me a month or so to think this threw cos im thinkin about getting a new turbo.. Dropping my gt28rs and getting a gt30 or gt35/40 with high mount and tune it to 22psi or something...ill think it through.

[A-man]

i might take ur turbo to then...

u can keep the a/c with that manifold yeh?

[FastFwd]

i might take ur turbo to then...

u can keep the a/c with that manifold yeh?

Yeh im pretty sure you can hey. It's got alot of space compared to my last turbo setup.

[destrukshn]

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/5990/dsc02295wg1.jpg

a/c friendly and p/s friendly.
done by sonny at powertune.

[Limbo]

Nice mate, ceramic coated also.
I'll post mine up later as soon as Hakan finishes it.
Its just got to be all tig'ed together now & ceramic coated

Just saw it today its a neat little setup ;)
Can't wait till my new setup is done now.

[ZeForce]

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/5990/dsc02295wg1.jpg

a/c friendly and p/s friendly.
done by sonny at powertune.

Nice, may I ask how much that costed u?

[Limbo]

Noted these are the choice when going a big setup.
I was thinking one but opted for the standard long ram, just to keep all the dump pipe and stuff lower down for less heat, (that was my thinking) now that i think about it again i could of got the dump pipe ceramic coated also, but o well mine's like 90% done already now.

http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o374/ZeroFabeng/DSCI0328.jpg

[FastFwd]

Yeh if get the gt30r or 35/40 ill go with a top mounted bottom ram mani and get it ceramic coated etc. your right tho, keep all the heat below

[gReY-oNe]

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/5990/dsc02295wg1.jpg

a/c friendly and p/s friendly.
done by sonny at powertune.

welding looks familiar LOL!!


looks neat.

[destrukshn]

before with avo manifold and dump pipe leading into a 2.5inch exhaust system
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7852/dynopsi1bf7.th.jpg (http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dynopsi1bf7.jpg)

after with a custom manifold and dump pipe (as shown above) leading into a 2.5 exhaust system
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9867/2dynopsitv1.jpg

[VTi_b0i]

nice Johnny :D i bet it feels alot better too

[A-man]

this sounds like a stupid question but....

will a bigger exhaust benefit those dyno figures? (plus nice figures)

and how much boost is that on sry

[VTi_b0i]

15-16psi.. yehh the 2.5inch exhaust would be restricting some power

[A-man]

hmmm i might b back at the exhaust shop soon :p

[destrukshn]

a 2.5inch exhaust will make more power everywhere in the power band really.
and a heap more up top.
but i will keep my 2.5inch, as i quite like it. lol.
yeah running 15psi on that run.
btw manifold is $900 from sunny at powertune.

[Limbo]

you reckon? i was thinking of going 3" on mine when i get it redone

[FastFwd]

I've gone 3inch mandrel stainless steal and its great but on 7psi i do think its a bit to large but i think once ive pumped it up a bit to say 15psi+ it will be fine.

[votek]

the avo kit running 204kw was that with the 2871r?

[destrukshn]

the avo kit running 204kw was that with the 2871r?
sure was.

[votek]

does anyone have their turbo dyno graphs?

[A-man]

not til the 7th of feb ive organised a dyno day fastfwd r u coming?

[mooshie]

does anyone have their turbo dyno graphs?

Maybe start a new thread with this.

[FastFwd]

not til the 7th of feb ive organised a dyno day fastfwd r u coming?

Really? where abouts. I need to get my fuel pump and injectors on so i can push her up to 20psi tho.

[A-man]

check the events page on ozhonda its also on wahonda and toymods etc.

we booked in now offical
where: hyperdrive
when: 7th feb
time: 9am
price: $40 includes lunch

we need more people guys its 20 min. not 15 but should still happen and pm me for details on bank if u serious

1)Aaron (da9T integra) (me..)
2)Mark (dc5s integra) (wahonda)
3)matt (poolude) (my bro)
4)coff33 (soarer) (toymods)
5)brett (ba gt-p falcon) (work)
6)rob (aristo) (toymods)
7)parrot (jzx90 chaser) (toymods)
8)os (eg) (dacrew)
9)graeme (crx or mini....) (perthcrx)
10)ryan (ba xr6t) (friend)
11)Chris (vx clubby) (old boss)
12)stomps (soarer maybe 35r powered ) (toymods)
13)Ian (crx) (perthcrx)
14)glytch (ra40 celica?) (toymods)
15)woggin (ma61) (toymods)
16)matty (grandads car :P) (toymods)
17)ross (chasidda) (toymods)

[FastFwd]

Dunno, i might come down for the day but not dyno as i wont have the car ready by then.

[votek]

will you make 2.5inch exhaust will more or less power than a 3"

at 7psi

and 15psi

[ZeForce]

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/61/l_448fa618ac144c6bbb305595ebcfeca1.jpg
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/17/l_1474283ebad840a7bdcdbb0523ead559.jpg

Here's the manifold I picked up off ebay for my B20VTEC..... 321 steel with 3mm thick walls and 1yr warranty

[Limbo]

for boosted, the 3" will always make more power up top. Its underboost that's the problem. It will feel really laggy under boost.
FI always improves with better breathing


will you make 2.5inch exhaust will more or less power than a 3"

at 7psi

and 15psi