Wheel Chirping

[GSi_PSi]

Hey i was just wondering , when you wheel chirp it is harming the driveshafts?
Wheel Chirp is the sound you get when you change a Gear Quickly with Hi Revs.

[Sp00ny]

Hey i was just wondering , when you wheel chirp it is harming the driveshafts?
Wheel Chirp is the sound you get when you change a Gear Quickly with Hi Revs.

Anything that causes harsh or violent force will be putting pressure on parts on the car one way or the other.

I wouldn't be too worried about your driveshafts if you have a stock or near stock clutch...you only really have to worry about it when you have a brass button or harsh racing clutch then it puts alot of pressure on your transmission and Driveline.

Also....why don't you just learn how to change gears without chirping...notice very little racers chirp ;) just teach yourself how to control the clutch more precisely...unless of course you are intentionally "chirping gears"

[VTECMACHINE]

Yeah what's the point of chirping. Its the slowest way to change gears...

Better yet, get better tyres, and don't run too much PSI... Mr GSI_PSI.

[Sm0ked]

chirping is not necessarily bad or slower.
if you are rreeallyyy wheelspinning alot when changing gears because you have a powerful car then learning to change properly can help you go quicker.

sometimes with the chirp and changing gears hard is the only way to prevent underpowered cars from dropping too many revs and bogging down, a bit of chirp with higher revs can be better than no chirp and dropping further out of the rev range.

as for your chirping harming the driveshafts, its far more likely with a lesser powerful car youll just wear out your clutch first, and if you do it all the time then youll wear it out fast too. and your tyres lol

it can kind of act like a fuse, if the pressure gets too high its designed to slip to 'die first' before damaging other parts, upgrading to heavy clutch can cause more damage.

[GSi_PSi]

Yeah ive got heavy duty clutch, the wheel chirping sound goes for longer if i double clutch. So how do you not chirp but not bog down the revs?.
Does chirping also damage your engine mounts?

[T-onedc2]

yeah I was gonna say it's more harmful to your engine mounts than anything

[A-man]

yeh but dr. sikaflex will cure the broken mounts :P

least u know while ur tyres r slipping ur clutch isnt lol

i dont think u should worry bout it unless ur running a stock GSI with 'type R' seat covers and cup holders and possible neons. then its driver error

[VTECMACHINE]

Meh... just learn to change gears without chirping. It's not hard, and if you can't do it, you shouldn't be driving manual.

[mrwillz]

is he talkn about eg. changing gears at like 8000rpm from gear 1 to gear 2 and u get that 'chirp'?

[trism]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a279/darth-enigmus/thread-fail-stamp.gif

srsly tho, this thread fails

wheel chirping just means that the wheel failed to get traction early

some cars, depending ont eh amount of power will spin every gear

others will struggle first

it just depnds on the power, the clutch, the way you shift etc etc etc

[mrwillz]

^ thats what i thought

and vtecmachine is mr serious about it

[Sp00ny]

Yeah ive got heavy duty clutch, the wheel chirping sound goes for longer if i double clutch. So how do you not chirp but not bog down the revs?.
Does chirping also damage your engine mounts?

Watch some BMI vids and watch their foot work...or ask a friend who is able to change gears fast without chirping ;) It comes down to Timing and Co-ordination...skills come with practice and time...be patient XD

My Tip: Try not dumping your accelerator as much, instead easing into the change....then you will learn how to get it right quicker and quicker over time...

[migoreng]

cause you shift too fast.revs haven't dropped.
you 'slam' shift and wheels chirp. that's all

say 60kph in 1st is redline
you go into 2nd gear and you are still close to redline when you let go of the clutch
say 2nd gear redline say is 90kph
your car is physically moving 60kph while second gear is trying to move the wheels 80kph

that's why you chirp i guess

[VTECMACHINE]

^ thats what i thought

and vtecmachine is mr serious about it

LOL i'm not serious about it. I just LOL at people that spin wheels from changing gears. It's funny... when you hear it on the street, you know people are hella serious about racing you.

[dwn_boi]

lol i thort chirping was cool lol aww guess i was wrong :( if i've chirped when changing gears my wheel tugs to one side, i used to get it heaps on my old tyres but only had it once on mi new ones

[VTECMACHINE]

You know you can change just as fast without chirping, even on shitty tyres. Clutchhh control.

[GSi_PSi]

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=mjuIUX5VhIw
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=jIRZKai6u68&feature=related
If you let go of the clutch slowly you wont wheel chirp.

[VTECMACHINE]

Meh, chirping is gay. I never chirp, and find it quicker not chirping - it's better on the car too. I do how ever clutch kick every now and then.

[Dean Machine]

clutch kick? and can someone please explain the best way to double clutch? it can be a bit hard with short tight gears

[Sp00ny]

clutch kick? and can someone please explain the best way to double clutch? it can be a bit hard with short tight gears

Clutch kicking is literally kicking the clutch whilst accelerating to purposly cause traction loss. It's a popular drifting technique...however I cannot understand why you would want to do it in a Front-Wheel-Drive.

Double Clutching == Useless, double clutching is really only done on some race cars because they have differant/no syncros...similar to old (very old) cars...if you didn't "rev-match" then the gears would grind. Race cars sometimes have no syncros as it decreases drivetrain power loss.

For the street and even for the track...double clutching is a complete and utter waste of time in cars that the majority of us have. As soon as you learn how to change gears quick and smooth...then try incorperating double clutching you'll see why it makes very little to no differance.

Why? If your changing gears fast without double clutching...the time between when the clutch is out and the accelerator is depressed is when your car will be deaccelerating...by double clutching even when performed quick...you increase the time that your car is naturally deaccelerating...even if you have "increased your revs" its only increase in revs of the engine/transaxle...not the wheels.

However Im talking about it has no purpose to increase speed...some people find they can shift smoother and more consistantly by double clutching. Personally either way, I don't see a point.

How To Double Clutch
When changing gears follow these steps..
- Release Accelerator Slowly
- Compress the Clutch pedal
- Shift Into neutral
- Release Clutch pedal
- Rev The engine (slightly not at WOT)
- Compress the clutch pedal
- Shift into proceeding gear
- Ease onto the throttle (until you get the "hang" of it)

Don't get double clutching confused with heel-and-toe which is a method used to downshift when approaching corners to increase speed control and prevent downshift deacceleration and pullback.

P.S VTEC MACHINE...The Rim and Brake combo in your avatar look awesome

[dudeling7]

clutch kicking is used to get the revs up quicker.

try it one day.......on the circuit of course.

if you are coming out of a corner and have lost corner speed or are not in your power band you give the clutch a quick jab while on the accelerator pedal also and your revs will sort of jump up.

prob not best for you clutch but when racing every second counts. and in a honda all the usable power is up top.

[EGJOE]

Good mounts, Good tyres, Good susy reduces chirping !!!

[Sm0ked]

double clutching is mainly used for circuit racing in conjunction with heel and toe braking/ accelerator blipping to smoothly downshift in racecars with race gearboxes maybe with straight cut gears and very heavy clutches to avoid compression lockups and go easy on the synchros

[GSi_PSi]

ive herd clutch kicking is really bad for clutch, greatly increases wear?..any truth to this?

[Sp00ny]

clutch kicking is used to get the revs up quicker.

try it one day.......on the circuit of course.

if you are coming out of a corner and have lost corner speed or are not in your power band you give the clutch a quick jab while on the accelerator pedal also and your revs will sort of jump up.

prob not best for you clutch but when racing every second counts. and in a honda all the usable power is up top.

Lol, I really don't think it would do anything besides bog your clutch. It's used to loose traction in drifting as an alternative to using the hand brake. I have never seen any racing vids of anyone using clutch kicking unless it's drifting. Bottom line...both techniques would very rarely provide anyone on this forum any real gain (if any at all). You would be much better off just flat shifting than double clutching not good for your clutch or transmission though.

GSi_PSi: Of course it's bad for your clutch, lol. Use common sense; it's like launching but while already in motion.

[VTECMACHINE]

I clutch kick, when coming out of a corner where someone is next to me. Generally if someone is beside you, you enter the corner a little slower to avoid hitting them. In order to get the revs up a quick clutch kick helps and you will be able to jump a half car length in front. I also launch off ripple strips to get wheels in air, to bring revs up too (Turn 10 wakefield). Clutch kicking helps to control a sliding car too, if you know where and when to do it.

Also, Tychcia uses the clutch kick and ripple strip jumping technique in FWD Hondas all the time. It's on various BMI videos. Give it a go sometime.

PS: Thanks for comment about avatar :D

EDIT: Clutch kicking is bad for your clutch and other things.

[dudeling7]

yup just watch best motoring man.....they do it all the time and explain that it helps with picking up revs....try it sometime

but in RWD it can also be used to break traction

this is a bit off topic anyways.

[Sm0ked]

I clutch kick, when coming out of a corner where someone is next to me. Generally if someone is beside you, you enter the corner a little slower to avoid hitting them. In order to get the revs up a quick clutch kick helps and you will be able to jump a half car length in front. I also launch off ripple strips to get wheels in air, to bring revs up too (Turn 10 wakefield). Clutch kicking helps to control a sliding car too, if you know where and when to do it.

Also, Tychcia uses the clutch kick and ripple strip jumping technique in FWD Hondas all the time. It's on various BMI videos. Give it a go sometime.

PS: Thanks for comment about avatar :D

EDIT: Clutch kicking is bad for your clutch and other things.

its definitely mainly a tactic for cars with engines that have higher power and lower torque ratings, a clutch kick can be better than no clutch kick to get you up in the power quicker,,

however , doing it too hard could maybe work againt ya too