Suggestions - 3k to spend on euro performance

[jgerr000]

This is my first post.

I've read a lot of other posts with the mods you guys have done to your euro's. I've set aside $3,000 to spend on making my stock 2005 auto Accord Euro Lux faster.

What should I get done and where (I'm in Sydney)?!?

[EK Civic R]

I guess first up is whether you want more power or better handling...

Once you figure that out there are plenty of ppl who will give ideas and costs involved.

[jgerr000]

Power!!!!

[Crapdaz]

TODA headers.

$3k, cause AUD sucks donkeys balls.
But cause of AUD being low --> no point on modding atm.

Depending on if you want power or handling.
If you want power you can start with an intake system e.g SRI or CAI or ICEBOX,
no $$ mod --> removal of the resonator, and feed a CAI pipe to it.

Handling - Whiteline Rear Swaybar.

[jgerr000]

Oh I should also have asked why for each suggestion in the original post? TODA headers sound cool it don't mean much to me!

[Crapdaz]

TODA headers or any headers (TODA top end) - helps extract the exhaust fumes quicker from the exhaust but by changing that it's recommended to change the CAT which restricts air flow.

Intake increase fresh air flow into the head which depending on which system can increase torque and response in high or low end power.

[damienm]

just lower the damn thing on a set of buddyclub N+ n whoop a cold air intake in it. If you spend 3k on a toda header ull rip your own penis off cause when the dollar was up people were playing 2k for the header n cat.

[Euro858]

If you did get Toda headers which are top end as people say....would it be a waste to get cheaper intake and exhaust for example comptech stuff?

Or will it be better to get top end gear for all parts?

[viper8548]

just lower the damn thing on a set of buddyclub N+ n whoop a cold air intake in it. If you spend 3k on a toda header ull rip your own penis off cause when the dollar was up people were playing 2k for the header n cat.

lol 3k is abit too dear for headers

[EuroAccord13]

3K can get you;

A nice set of TODA headers (Adrian @ Toda Racing here will be able to help you out)
A nice cat back system from Fujitsubo, Tanabe, Skunk2 etc etc
A CAI, SRI or hybrid from K&N, Injen, Comptech or Fujita (Whatever it's called)


And you probably won't have change left after all these.... :)

[damienm]

3K can get you;

A nice set of TODA headers (Adrian @ Toda Racing here will be able to help you out)
A nice cat back system from Fujitsubo, Tanabe, Skunk2 etc etc
A CAI, SRI or hybrid from K&N, Injen, Comptech or Fujita (Whatever it's called)


And you probably won't have change left after all these.... :)

im pretty sure all that would cost way more than 3k. the fujitsubo alone costs 1.7k at the moment.

[damienm]

If you did get Toda headers which are top end as people say....would it be a waste to get cheaper intake and exhaust for example comptech stuff?

Or will it be better to get top end gear for all parts?

comptech is considered midrange but i guess it doesnt matter too much what intake or exhaust you have as they both don't give you many kw's (header n cat gives you way more gains than the other two)

[ndeuro_]

im pretty sure all that would cost way more than 3k. the fujitsubo alone costs 1.7k at the moment.

not really one of our trader on here have the skunk2 megapower for 1.4k free shipping. or better yet i got quoted for the skunk2 for 700 bux. but he said shipping was abit dear.

[EKCivic96]

check these guys out...im sure they'd be able to find something to fit ur budget!!

http://www.jtune.com.au/

[damienm]

not really one of our trader on here have the skunk2 megapower for 1.4k free shipping. or better yet i got quoted for the skunk2 for 700 bux. but he said shipping was abit dear.

lol the toda header is 3k so having that alone is all of his budget already

[damienm]

check these guys out...im sure they'd be able to find something to fit ur budget!!

http://www.jtune.com.au/

are u serious! LOL. if only they had perfected it

[ndeuro_]

lol yeah i heard theyre pretty singy.

[jgerr000]

Thanks for all the suggestions so far. So looks like I need:

1. headers
2. intake system
3. cat back system
4. duct tape (incase I rip my penis off at the high prices with the lower exchange rate...thanks Damienm)

Have I missed anything? Any suggestions on brands to get the above for around 3k? If I'm dreaming, what would I need to spend to a reliable setup?

[Euro858]

I've given up on Jtune..... I was saving up for the extreme kit but its been way too long and its not yet proven... I've read the prototypes are failing with headers snapping... I've resulted to finding proven stuff that has been R&D and has been out for years...

[damienm]

Thanks for all the suggestions so far. So looks like I need:

1. headers
2. intake system
3. cat back system
4. duct tape (incase I rip my penis off at the high prices with the lower exchange rate...thanks Damienm)

Have I missed anything? Any suggestions on brands to get the above for around 3k? If I'm dreaming, what would I need to spend to a reliable setup?

get comptech headers, injen CAI, and a fujitsubo legalis R exhaust. n with the left over cash a rear sway bar

[Euro858]

get comptech headers, injen CAI, and a fujitsubo legalis R exhaust. n with the left over cash a rear sway bar

Where could you source fujitsubo legalis R exhaust? Will it be overseas?

[damienm]

yea, the traders dont like to keep them in stock cause they aint high in demand

[yourfather]

check these guys out...im sure they'd be able to find something to fit ur budget!!

http://www.jtune.com.au/
i'd be very skeptical of these people

[ndeuro_]

imo u should do susspension and your intake first. and if uhave some cash left over save it for the exhaust so u get a nice note. then u can work on the cosmetic of ur car. ie bodykit or lipkit, rims etc.

[Euro858]

What exhaust will give you better performance without a loud note?

[EKCivic96]

haha, first and last time i recommended them then.....

heard very good stories about James i think it is, who use to own/still owns BLK-CRX? a very well built turbo crx...obviously no good with the euro

my bad guys

[Merlin086]

Ummmmm.....no comment......

[ndeuro_]

What exhaust will give you better performance without a loud note?

skunk2 megapower with a silencer

[felixd]

hmm 3K hey u can get decent custom exhaust + CAI intake + custom high flow cat + pulley set + good lowered springs + strut bar + mugen visors ?? maybe... so ull have some abit of everything performance n handling upgrades n looks there .

[Euro858]

hmm 3K hey u can get decent custom exhaust + CAI intake + custom high flow cat + pulley set + good lowered springs + strut bar + mugen visors ?? maybe... so ull have some abit of everything performance n handling upgrades n looks there .

What is a pulley set?

[felixd]

light weight pulley :) UR pulley / the cheaper version is ralco RZ pulley

[tony1234]

I suggest you get,Comptech header $1000.Comptech Icebox $340.RSB $220.Tein SS coilovers $1400.Rear camber kit $300.There's your money gone.:eek:Forget a cat back exhaust,too much$$ for minimal gain.Decent headers will give you the most gain.BTW these prices are approx.and don't include install.

[Merlin086]

I suggest you get,Comptech header $1000.Comptech Icebox $340.RSB $220.Tein SS coilovers $1400.Rear camber kit $300.There's your money gone.:eek:Forget a cat back exhaust,too much$$ for minimal gain.Decent headers will give you the most gain.BTW these prices are approx.and don't include install.


Hey tony1234, why not Bilsteins?....;)

[tony1234]

Hey tony1234, why not Bilsteins?....;)
Haha,it'll blow the guys budget.

[johnprocter]

comptech headers, skunk2 catback and icebox intake imo!

[xsite85]

sell your car and get a manual with the extra 3k

[r-r-redEuro]

lol, silent exhaust ? HKS pleaseeee, ive got and i love it. =P

[yfin]

My suggestion would be... leave power alone with the auto euro. Spend the money on suspension mods as this will make the car much faster point to point than $3k in power mods on an auto euro.

Remember the auto euro is 0-100 in low 9s... Not worth playing around with that as even a taxi with 350,000 clicks on it running lpg will match your Euro with $3000 in mods. You will need much more money to make it move. Manual is obviously a different story and is a better base to work with...

Like I said go with suspension and sway bar!!

[snYpz]

From personal experience...

Tein SS, ingalls rear camber kit, whiteline rear sway bar, comptech icebox (all plus fitting) = $2100 ish

Topspeed (lowend) headers, magnaflow cat, nst pulleys = ~$800

They were the main mods i have along with lip kit and rims. Mind you, those prices were prior to the collapse of the AUD so i am not sure about the current prices.
If you're after perfornance go for toda headers. One of the members installed it on his auto cl9 and got approximately 11kw improvement.

[EmperorJ]

:o

LSD, AFD, Tein SS,

maybe get a second hand intake.

[akina]

if ya want power... its gonna be headers for sure!

[power_of_dreams]

comptech is considered midrange but i guess it doesnt matter too much what intake or exhaust you have as they both don't give you many kw's (header n cat gives you way more gains than the other two)

I would say comptech make good "street" products. If you think about it, TODA is some serious shit. Also, if you are going for performance, catback doesn't do a whole lot bang for your buck.

[gumbel]

As Euro considered a big car, power without control is not good, get coilover and rear swaybar.

[tony1234]

My suggestion would be... leave power alone with the auto euro. Spend the money on suspension mods as this will make the car much faster point to point than $3k in power mods on an auto euro.

Remember the auto euro is 0-100 in low 9s... Not worth playing around with that as even a taxi with 350,000 clicks on it running lpg will match your Euro with $3000 in mods. You will need much more money to make it move. Manual is obviously a different story and is a better base to work with...

Like I said go with suspension and sway bar!!
Yeah,i would do the suspension 1st.then see how you go.I'd still put Comptech headers on though,you'll notice a difference even on an auto.

[Crapdaz]

Start of with a Rear swaybar whiteline ($220-240) and Cusco Front strut tower bar ($200-240) and a Comptech icebox(intake - $$$ unsure) (depending if you like elephant note) or quietness.

Then look at a nice set of coilovers (suspension) - if you like comfy i think Tein SS, then you will have some left over for a nice Sports grill.

You should sit in one of our cars and see if you like. :p

[damienm]

I would say comptech make good "street" products. If you think about it, TODA is some serious shit. Also, if you are going for performance, catback doesn't do a whole lot bang for your buck.

i said cat not catback buddy

[felixd]

LOL at elephant note hoooommmmmmmmm hooooommm vtec !!! :P

[tron07]

leave the auto euro alone..... put in aftermarket alarms and some decent car audio...

[vte18c]

My suggestion would be... leave power alone with the auto euro. Spend the money on suspension mods as this will make the car much faster point to point than $3k in power mods on an auto euro.

Remember the auto euro is 0-100 in low 9s... Not worth playing around with that as even a taxi with 350,000 clicks on it running lpg will match your Euro with $3000 in mods. You will need much more money to make it move. Manual is obviously a different story and is a better base to work with...

Like I said go with suspension and sway bar!!

I agree with this.. I have an auto 06' seriously u dont buy an auto euro for performance.. I just fitted the comptech icebox for a bit of induction noise and otherwise just lowered it on rims.. The performance $$ I would rather put into a performance car, like the toy I am about to buy.. :zip:

[Crapdaz]

depends on what you want, the euro in it's stock form is lacking a bit of lower end torque and response but then again it's an auto there is a slight delay from the gearbox/DBW.

[Euro858]

I agree with this.. I have an auto 06' seriously u dont buy an auto euro for performance.. I just fitted the comptech icebox for a bit of induction noise and otherwise just lowered it on rims.. The performance $$ I would rather put into a performance car, like the toy I am about to buy.. :zip:

Was the icebox relatively easy to install? Did you take off the bumper... im thinking about getting it soon.. Im in brisbane too perhaps you could help me out :p haha

[felixd]

you dont need to take out the bumper just your side splasher :)

[vte18c]

I took off my bumper but regret it.. I need to take it off again now and straighten the hooks a bit (slight gap under headlights)..

If you can get it all done through splash guard, go that way.. Personally I found some of the resonator piping painful to get to even with the bumper off.

[Crapdaz]

I took off my bumper but regret it.. I need to take it off again now and straighten the hooks a bit (slight gap under headlights)..

If you can get it all done through splash guard, go that way.. Personally I found some of the resonator piping painful to get to even with the bumper off.

rofl i took my resonator + all piping via the splash guard except the one located in the engine bay. :p
only bad thing was i had cuts on my arms.

[aaronng]

I took off my bumper but regret it.. I need to take it off again now and straighten the hooks a bit (slight gap under headlights)..

If you can get it all done through splash guard, go that way.. Personally I found some of the resonator piping painful to get to even with the bumper off.

Don't regret it, because in 1 year's time, the gap under the headlights will appear anyway.

[akina]

Don't regret it, because in 1 year's time, the gap under the headlights will appear anyway.

what! ur saying its normal? why?

[aaronng]

what! ur saying its normal? why?

The bumper is heavy and the clips will sag a bit.

[akina]

i thought mine was like that coz i hit the front numerous of times on driveways lol (probably still is) coz this shouldnt be happening yet for a 07 haha

[vte18c]

I can live with it, can't be assed taking the 48 screws out to get it off to fix it..

Wish it was F1 style 2 allen head keys and its off! hehe

[Crapdaz]

you wish rofl, i wished i had those air jacks similiar to V8 supercars rather than using a hydraulic jack and jack stands.

[blk05gli]

regarding the increasing gap between the lights and the bumper


The bumper is heavy and the clips will sag a bit.

install some type of ram air ducting pipe under your lights and get the high velocity air for your CAI :p

opps. just sent an email to toda earlier on today re jtune products, should have read this post beforehand.

cheers

[felixd]

Ecu reflash :)

[euro27]

Trade your heavy auto lux in immediately on a lighter standard 6MT and feel the significant performance advantage.
As Lotus say 'weight is the enemy of performance'.

Also, Auto box heavy and robs power.

PS. Leave the aircon off as well !

cheers

[blk05gli]

Trade your heavy auto lux in immediately on a lighter standard 6MT and feel the significant performance advantage.
As Lotus say 'weight is the enemy of performance'.

Also, Auto box heavy and robs power.

PS. Leave the aircon off as well !

cheers

and carry no passengers :thumbsup:

[Crapdaz]

rip rear seats and door trim off for weight reduction

[EUR003act]

rip rear seats and door trim off for weight reduction

lol old thread revive... AUS dollar sucks :(

just bought new injectors (mine had 105,000kms on them and possibly clogged).... RC engineering 440cc cost $460!! :(

i cried a little...

EDIT: yes arronng ill be running tuning :p

[JDM.Power]

save up and supercharge..

[EUR003act]

save up and supercharge..

CT supercharger - $6200
shipping/tax/fees - $800
after market ecu - $1500
tuning - $500

total AUD$9000 (approx)

thats a massive diff for someone who only wants to spend $3k lol

[power_of_dreams]

CT supercharger - $6200
shipping/tax/fees - $800
after market ecu - $1500
tuning - $500

total AUD$9000 (approx)

thats a massive diff for someone who only wants to spend $3k lol

;););)

http://tinyurl.com/d66ahg

[EUR003act]

;););)

http://tinyurl.com/d66ahg

mmmmmmm CT SC....

but that still would be around AUD$6000 once you add everything up...

would definately be nice tho! :D

[The X Man]

I tell you what the Euro power is crap in the heat and with the air-con on. Low end torque is non existent! I need more torque!

I assume a Computech header will provide a little more torque?

[tony1234]

I assume a Computech header will provide a little more torque?
Yes it will.You'll notice extra torque in the low-mid range.Get it you'll be happy with the result.Even with our shit exchange rate at approx. 1K landed its good value

[EUR003act]

I tell you what the Euro power is crap in the heat and with the air-con on. Low end torque is non existent! I need more torque!

I assume a Computech header will provide a little more torque?

lol 31degrees, going up hill, aircon on, three passengers... not fun lol :(

[The X Man]

Where is the best place to buy these Computech headers?

[SPQR]

Trade your heavy auto lux in immediately on a lighter standard 6MT and feel the significant performance advantage.
As Lotus say 'weight is the enemy of performance'.

Also, Auto box heavy and robs power.

PS. Leave the aircon off as well !

cheers


and carry no passengers :thumbsup:


rip rear seats and door trim off for weight reduction

If you eat curry the night before you can save some weight.

[tony1234]

Where is the best place to buy these Computech headers?
Here!http://www.heeltoeauto.com/Comptech-Header-04-08-TSX-210-060-pr-45259.html

[The X Man]

Thanks tony1234. Just popped them an email.

[aaronng]

I tell you what the Euro power is crap in the heat and with the air-con on. Low end torque is non existent! I need more torque!

I assume a Computech header will provide a little more torque?

Mine has torque but no power.

[Crapdaz]

If you eat curry the night before you can save some weight.

only if your stomach can't settle with curry. :p

[EUR003act]

Stop spamming!

[MangChi]

has anyone considered letting toda rebuild their engine???

[EuroAccord13]

Next person to spam gets some nice holiday points from me....

[tony1234]

has anyone considered letting toda rebuild their engine???
From what i hear Toda would be good.But you have 07 euro you don't need any engine work do you??:confused:

[Crapdaz]

good and pricey....

so really depends on your app, if your not tracking or wanting max power then something like comptech will do to help instead of the stock header.

[Type R Positive]

For $3k on an auto, I'd get:
Alpine sound system yO!

I'd just do suspension mods and maybe comptech intake.

[MangChi]

From what i hear Toda would be good.But you have 07 euro you don't need any engine work do you??:confused:

no i don't need any engine work but just throwing the idea out there for anyone else who was interested i suppose. definately out of my price range for the time being but toda is reputable so if i win the lottery might do it just for fun and buy an m3 to boot as well LOL.

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101652

thats the link to the toda page i was looking at. 190+kw atw euro would be awesome fun lol.

[tony1234]

no i don't need any engine work but just throwing the idea out there for anyone else who was interested i suppose. definately out of my price range for the time being but toda is reputable so if i win the lottery might do it just for fun and buy an m3 to boot as well LOL.

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101652

thats the link to the toda page i was looking at. 190+kw atw euro would be awesome fun lol.
190+kw ATW.mmmmmmmmm.

[The X Man]

I'd hate to know how much that rebuild (190Kw ATW) would cost!

[Crapdaz]

that 190kw at the wheels doesnt mean in the CL9 chassis; it prob means in the EG/EK frankenstein setup.

but then again i don't know what i am talking about :p since i havent touched internals.

[integral90]

that 190kw at the wheels doesnt mean in the CL9 chassis; it prob means in the EG/EK frankenstein setup.

but then again i don't know what i am talking about :p since i havent touched internals.

Yonas makes 180kw atw, and he hasn't touched compression at all. I think 190kw atw from k24 is easily possible, but it's definitely the upper limit of an NA K-series. But why would it matter what chassis it's in?

[aaronng]

Yonas makes 180kw atw, and he hasn't touched compression at all. I think 190kw atw from k24 is easily possible, but it's definitely the upper limit of an NA K-series. But why would it matter what chassis it's in?

The upper limit is not on the K-Series. It is on your wallet. You could make a 15000rpm K-series making peak torque of 240Nm at 12000rpm, you'd get power of 300kW at 12000rpm and about 320kW at 14000rpm if you sustained 220Nm at that RPM.

Of course you will need pneumatic valves to sustain that RPM and you would have replace the bellows on the valves periodically as well as rebuild the engine every 400-800km. But the limit based on how fat your wallet is.

[TODA AU]

that 190kw at the wheels doesnt mean in the CL9 chassis; it prob means in the EG/EK frankenstein setup.

but then again i don't know what i am talking about :p since i havent touched internals.

There is really no reason that can't apply to a CL9

[Type R Positive]

*wins lotto*

[EUR003act]

There is really no reason that can't apply to a CL9

true... just money is a factor lol :thumbsup:

[integral90]

The upper limit is not on the K-Series. It is on your wallet. You could make a 15000rpm K-series making peak torque of 240Nm at 12000rpm, you'd get power of 300kW at 12000rpm and about 320kW at 14000rpm if you sustained 220Nm at that RPM.

Of course you will need pneumatic valves to sustain that RPM and you would have replace the bellows on the valves periodically as well as rebuild the engine every 400-800km. But the limit based on how fat your wallet is.

LOL, come on man, of course I'm talking about an engine for a daily, not a race engine. If you REALLY had unlimited budget for a Euro you'd do AWD drivetrain swap with a J35 :D:D:D

[Crapdaz]

true... just money is a factor lol :thumbsup:


LOL, come on man, of course I'm talking about an engine for a daily, not a race engine. If you REALLY had unlimited budget for a Euro you'd do AWD drivetrain swap with a J35 :D:D:D

rofl money,

nah should just do a boost setup for the euro and see hwo much it pulls...

[felixd]

if u got the money get sumthing faster than euro LOL :)

[Crapdaz]

euro CL9 chassis is sex'd though nothing compares.....

[Type R Positive]

euro CL9 chassis is sex'd though nothing compares.....RLY? Could have fooled me. :p

[Crapdaz]

lol better than the camry lookalike cu2 imo....

but then again....a car is a car gets you from A --> B heheh

[Type R Positive]

lol better than the camry lookalike cu2 imo...Nah, Kia Cerato! :p

[Crapdaz]

rofl!!! LOOKS NICE AND ALL BUT QUALITY WILL BE A DRAG ON KIA I RECKON!

[doosra]

i've decided i'm gonna spend between 2-3k extra on my car after saying "i wouldn't spend anymore money"... lol..

I've currently got HKS intake, BuddyClub Exhaust. I don't need suspension mods as this has already been done this... What would you suggest.. ? i'm looking for extra power.. i dont take my car above 100km's p/h and interested in mods that will give me extra power in 1st and 2nd gear..

Any suggestions guys.. ? i'm thinking TODA headers.. but what other options do i have for this price?

[Crapdaz]

go cheaper option of Xforce headers for $400 + hi flow cat ($400) + changing your flexpipe on headers which will be $100.

[akina]

Can't go wrong with Toda headers Johnny!

If you have 2-3k to spend, headers would be the right choice since you have rest of the car completed already.

[Crapdaz]

But as you said you don't go over 100kmh... and you prefer for 1st + 2nd gear only.

Rather than forking out the extra $1500 you can just pick up the Xforce which will save you alot of money and will help in the response.

But if you want as much power gain for the cost then yeh agreed with Akina get TODA.

[integral90]

i dont take my car above 100km's p/h and interested in mods that will give me extra power in 1st and 2nd gear..

Any suggestions guys.. ? i'm thinking TODA headers.. but what other options do i have for this price?

If you want more power in 1st and 2nd swap final drive, hehe :p

Headers are a wise choice, of course. RBC is good for acceleration in 1st and the upper revs of 2nd, as the lower the gear the less important torque is.

But my honest opinion... if you want a faster 1st and 2nd do your flywheel. About $3-400 for a DC5R flywheel, $1500 labour to install.

[aaronng]

Final drive doesn't increase power. :p You will have to shift sooner, so the gain is lost in the time you need to spend changing gears.

[doosra]

so far seems like headers may be the way to go..

what would you suggest aaronng... ? xforce headers for CL9 are only $400.. so there's massive price difference..

what about Xforce headers for $400 + hi flow cat ($400) + changing your flexpipe on headers which will be $100.. + getting the haltech platinum and getting it tuned.. (1,500 installed & tuned).. total cost would be looking at $2.5-3k

Would this option be better than go straight TODA headers only?

[aaronng]

Xforce header only improves low and mid RPM performance with the stock exhaust and stock cat. High end didn't change much. If I had the money ($1500-2000), I would go Toda headers alone instead of Xforce + Haltech for sure.

[doosra]

Xforce header only improves low and mid RPM performance with the stock exhaust and stock cat. High end didn't change much. If I had the money ($1500-2000), I would go Toda headers alone instead of Xforce + Haltech for sure.

I actually have HKS SRI & BC Pro Spec exhaust already.. so i won't be working with stock exhaust and stock cat.. i'd be looking to get the metal cat along with the Xforce headers..

so you're suggestion is to still for the TODA headers with my current setup than what i suggested?

[aaronng]

I actually have HKS SRI & BC Pro Spec exhaust already.. so i won't be working with stock exhaust and stock cat.. i'd be looking to get the metal cat along with the Xforce headers..

so you're suggestion is to still for the TODA headers with my current setup than what i suggested?

Personally I would run toda without haltech, compared to ging for xforce with haltech. :) But it is up to you to decide. You might get more power with xforce and haltech, since I don't have an aftermarket exhaust.

[power_of_dreams]

I would go with lightened fly for better response

[Crapdaz]

Aaron you have haltech on yours?

[aaronng]

I would go with lightened fly for better response
That will cost the same as Toda headers once you include installation and doesn't give you much benefit at high rpm above 5500rpm in 2nd gear onwards.

[Crapdaz]

but aren't we still arguing that the fact he only wants it for 1st and 2nd gear....

clutch + fly + Xforce header.

[doosra]

Daz, TODA will definitely increase 1st and 2nd though still right.... ? i think i might just go with TODA, although expensive, you know you're getting the best and results are proven by many members on here.

I could always resell it once i decide to sell my car..

[aaronng]

Aaron you have haltech on yours?

No haltech. :)
So if Adrian allows me to dyno, I can find out what does intake, xforce header, flywheel (plus heavier LSD) pulls at the wheels. :)

[Crapdaz]

yeh it does just depends on how much yo uwant to spend. :)

[damienm]

Personally I would run toda without haltech, compared to ging for xforce with haltech. :) But it is up to you to decide. You might get more power with xforce and haltech, since I don't have an aftermarket exhaust.

i agree with mr aaron :thumbsup: now do itttttttt come in on Saturday n order it from Adrian.

[power_of_dreams]

That will cost the same as Toda headers once you include installation and doesn't give you much benefit at high rpm above 5500rpm in 2nd gear onwards.

how so?
a dc5r fly is like $500, even a good quality jap one would be $1000 max

these days toda headers are like 1800?

[integral90]

Final drive doesn't increase power. :p You will have to shift sooner, so the gain is lost in the time you need to spend changing gears.

I didn't mean increase engine power, I meant decrease drivetrain loss :p

If he wants a faster 1st and 2nd flywheel and final drive would be the best IMO. If he does a lot of highway cruising though, just flywheel.

The best way to get a faster 1st and 2nd IMO would be to limit resistance and increase the car's ability to create momentum more easily. Basically anything lighter, wheels, flywheel etc.. If you strip your car you'll feel it a lot more in 1st than 4th ;)

[aaronng]

I didn't mean increase engine power, I meant decrease drivetrain loss :p

If he wants a faster 1st and 2nd flywheel and final drive would be the best IMO. If he does a lot of highway cruising though, just flywheel.

The best way to get a faster 1st and 2nd IMO would be to limit resistance and increase the car's ability to create momentum more easily. Basically anything lighter, wheels, flywheel etc.. If you strip your car you'll feel it a lot more in 1st than 4th ;)

Doesn't decrease drivetrain loss as well. :p

It just lets you get to 50km/h quicker and you get to shift sooner so you can make use of 4th gear at WSID.

You're feeling torque, not power.

Oh, and I'm evil.

[integral90]

Doesn't decrease drivetrain loss as well. :p

It just lets you get to 50km/h quicker and you get to shift sooner so you can make use of 4th gear at WSID.

You're feeling torque, not power.

Are you seriously going to tell me it doesn't take more energy to spin a higher gear than a lower one? If you run a car on a dyno in 1st it'll make a ridiculous amount of power compared to what it will in 4th because there's so much less resistance.

I know you're just trying to get a rise out of me so we'll let it slip Mr. :p

[aaronng]

Are you seriously going to tell me it doesn't take more energy to spin a higher gear than a lower one? If you run a car on a dyno in 1st it'll make a ridiculous amount of power compared to what it will in 4th because there's so much less resistance.

I know you're just trying to get a rise out of me so we'll let it slip Mr. :p

The dyno works most accurately with sufficient road speed. In 1st gear, you are going from 5km/h to 60km/h, which is not enough for the dyno to give you an accurate reading, seeing that it needs a wider speed range of 30km/h up to 170km/h. :)

[aaronng]

how so?
a dc5r fly is like $500, even a good quality jap one would be $1000 max

these days toda headers are like 1800?

Factor in installation. You can get an exhaust shop to install toda headers for $200-300. To install a flywheel in an Euro, you are looking at a figure of at least $1000 in labour alone.

[power_of_dreams]

Factor in installation. You can get an exhaust shop to install toda headers for $200-300. To install a flywheel in an Euro, you are looking at a figure of at least $1000 in labour alone.

I know it is a big job, but I didn't think it would could $1000 labor :eek:

[doosra]

i agree with mr aaron :thumbsup: now do itttttttt come in on Saturday n order it from Adrian.

lol.. i emailed Adrian yesterday to find out the current price on the Headers and haven't heard back yet... i'll just go in on saturday and have a chat to him..

from discussions.. there seems to be some discrepencies.. very confusing since i don't know jack sh!t about cars. lol..

so these are the options you have presented:

lightened flywheel
TODA headers
Final Drive
xforce headers, metal cat, haltech platinum (installed & tuned)


I'm looking at spending hopefully only 2.5k.. however as a range, let's say 2-3k...

Remember, my main purpose is to make my car quicker in terms of 0-100km/h

I think people are getting mixed up with the my purpose..... i'm still up in the air on what to do..

[doosra]

$1000 labour.. ? jesus.. hardly sounds worth it...

[integral90]

With the lightened flywheel including labour you're looking at like $1500-$2000. If you say you have another $500-$1000 left over then you can still afford headers.

There are also alternatives to Toda... my J's Racing headers cost me $1500 when our dollar was at the worst it ever was (literally that week).

[craze]

With the lightened flywheel including labour you're looking at like $1500-$2000. If you say you have another $500-$1000 left over then you can still afford headers.

There are also alternatives to Toda... my J's Racing headers cost me $1500 when our dollar was at the worst it ever was (literally that week).

Where abouts did you source your J's Racing headers? Was that price including shipping integral90?

[integral90]

Where abouts did you source your J's Racing headers? Was that price including shipping integral90?

Through JDM Concept, Leo's a very nice guy. I paid $1,465AUD to my door.

Not pitching J's Racing or putting down Toda at all. But I picked the J's Racing because the Toda was out of my price range, and after some research I found they're basically identical except for the flex pipes :thumbsup:

[doosra]

it must not have been at it's absolute worst cause they're now 1700 ..

was the difference once it was on very noticeable.. ?

[integral90]

was the difference once it was on very noticeable.. ?

Well I'd done RBC literally the day before so the ECU was tripping balls after the headers went on.

I'll put it this way: the RBC stole a lot of the down low cruising torque, but with the headers it felt almost like stock again down low. I'm not very conclusive as the RBC does really change the power curve, but I can say without a doubt the difference was very noticeable and I think the increased low-end power would be much more noticeable with the stock manifold :thumbsup:

[doosra]

from discussions.. there seems to be some discrepencies.. very confusing since i don't know jack sh!t about cars. lol..

so these are the options you have presented:

lightened flywheel
TODA headers
Final Drive
xforce headers, metal cat, haltech platinum (installed & tuned)


I'm looking at spending hopefully only 2.5k.. however as a range, let's say 2-3k...

Remember, my main purpose is to make my car quicker in terms of 0-100km/h

I think people are getting mixed up with the my purpose..... i'm still up in the air on what to do..

back to this.. just want a few more final opinions based on the details above before i make a decision..

[aaronng]

I know it is a big job, but I didn't think it would could $1000 labor :eek:

Yup, by the time you get the gearbox off the engine, you are only 1 mount away from removing the entire engine! Haha. Everything comes off, the subframe, steering rack, drive shafts.

[aaronng]

back to this.. just want a few more final opinions based on the details above before i make a decision..

If you are after 0-100km/h, then sticky tyres and a brutal launch + weight reduction. Flywheel will help too since it will help in 0-60km/h, but above that it is almost same as stock.

[Chris_F]

I haven't really read through the thread but here's my 2c...

#1. For about $1200 you can get a lightweight flyhweel + sports clutch + installation. It makes a huge difference to the way the car accelerates in first gear - the engine revs up very quickly.

#2. CAI for about $500. Gives the car a great note and makes a noticeable difference to high-end power/responsiveness.

#3. Engine torque damper ~$200. It's impossible to actually launch the car at a decent RPM without one of these. I installed one recently and now get 0 wheelhop if I take off fro a standing start briskly. The whole car also feels much tighter under hard braking/acceleration and seems to improve power transfer to the wheels during quick shifts.

#4 Now, let's just say you have ~$1000 left over.... buy some good tyres! Re001 are great value at the moment. I paid $239 a tyre, fitted in 235/45/r17 size

Forget the header if you looking at bang for the buck... even if you buy a Toda header or a maxim works header... the flywheel, intake, engine torque damper combo is going to make more differnce to the 0-100km times.

[Bigpauly2788]

How much does a dual exhaust install usually cost...?

[damienm]

get the Js racing header or toda header n get your mods tuned after with an emanage or haltech. then youll have i/h/e ecu.

[damienm]

How much does a dual exhaust install usually cost...?

not much, maybe 100? cost me 50 bucks to weld a cat on so i guess it wouldnt be much do fit an exhaust on.
just do it yourself with jack stands its easy

[doosra]

i'd say about $100.. i bought an exhaust of akina and we took it to TopOne who swapped them over.. cost us only $75 each.. but that's doing two cars.. give them a buzz.

[doosra]

get the Js racing header or toda header n get your mods tuned after with an emanage or haltech. then youll have i/h/e ecu.

i like that idea damien.. i'm thinking j's racing headers... and then haltech platinum...

j's racing is 1700.. does anyone know how much it will cost to get TODA headers.... ? from reading around.. i hear it'll be like 2000 - 2500.. ?

this option sorta breaks my budget..

j's racing headers 1700
haltech platinum (tuned and installed) 1500
metal cat 300
installation of headers + cat - approx 200-300? <-- correct me if wrong..

Total 3800... JESUS !!!!

i was hoping for 2500..

[integral90]

this option sorta breaks my budget..

j's racing headers 1700
haltech platinum (tuned and installed) 1500
metal cat 300
installation of headers + cat - approx 200-300? <-- correct me if wrong..

Total 3800... JESUS !!!!

i was hoping for 2500..

Once again, go with different choices. My cat is Xforce, cost me $180. When it comes to cats and mufflers... there's really not much difference in actual product between the brands.

[doosra]

yeah.. xforce cat's are $280 in the trader section.. but that still won't make much difference in the total spend.. maybe i should just sell my car and get an s2k.. :) it'll be much quicker than a euro.. lol..

[damienm]

you can get a cat for 200 fitted from bankstown mufflers. and yes they are fully sick

[power_of_dreams]

i like that idea damien.. i'm thinking j's racing headers... and then haltech platinum...

j's racing is 1700.. does anyone know how much it will cost to get TODA headers.... ? from reading around.. i hear it'll be like 2000 - 2500.. ?

this option sorta breaks my budget..

j's racing headers 1700
haltech platinum (tuned and installed) 1500
metal cat 300
installation of headers + cat - approx 200-300? <-- correct me if wrong..

Total 3800... JESUS !!!!

i was hoping for 2500..

you can save yourself a grand by getting a comptech header instead of J's

[doosra]

comptech headers are about 1k now because of exchange rate unless u know other places that do cheaper.. ?

it terms of quality though.. would you say j's racing = toda and that comptech are lower grade headers.. ?

i've been told by jdm concept that j's racing are 1.5k delivered.. which isn't too bad..

[craze]

Has anyone super charged the euro here in aust?

[aaronng]

Has anyone super charged the euro here in aust?

No, we don't have the ECU nor the reflash to do it. Kpro was released recently for the Euro, so now you can do it.

[craze]

No, we don't have the ECU nor the reflash to do it. Kpro was released recently for the Euro, so now you can do it.

Thanks aaronng would you be able to link us?

[aaronng]

Thanks aaronng would you be able to link us?

Get in contact with TODA AU. He is a trader here. Kpro is not cheap, because you need a DC5R kpro'd ecu, harness, and your own ecu needs to be reflashed.

[Bigpauly2788]

i'd say about $100.. i bought an exhaust of akina and we took it to TopOne who swapped them over.. cost us only $75 each.. but that's doing two cars.. give them a buzz.


just to clarify i meant an entire exhaust system, is that what your saying could cost only $100.

Seems to cheap for an entire exhaust system...

[Crapdaz]

1. Cheap because Topone are Akina's buddys.
2. Would normally cost around 100-200 mark depending where you go.

[Chris_F]

No, we don't have the ECU nor the reflash to do it. Kpro was released recently for the Euro, so now you can do it.

We've had stand alone ecus capable of running the euro since at least 2006. Motec m400, m600, m800. Then there's also the EFI Euro 1 ECU.

More recently (since the end of 2008), we also have the Vi-PEC V88 and Hondata as you mentioned.

The solutions have been there for quite some time but for some reason people only have eyes for Hondata, or maybe they just don't want to pay the admission price for a Motec, EFI or Vi-PEC setup (which is understandable). Having said that though... the new KPRO dual is far from a bargain...