Your B16A dyno results?

[Kiz_EG6]

Car: 92 EG5 with B16A conversion
Engine: B16A1, 92 from Jap EG6 halfcut
Mods: TypeR throttle body, K&N "ram" style pod with custom cai box, GReddy spark plugs... haha,
That Day: shell optimax, no octane boost or any additives, serviced with motul 8100 oil.
Dyno reading: 136.8BHP, converts to roughly 102kw atw?? sound right?
Dyno Type: Dyno Dynamics, charity day at Autobarn Sunbury.

4588

[czy_sol87]

hey guys just got back from autosalon. i was speaking to a guy with a ek w/b16 and i saw his dyno chart and it showed 96fwkw with 220nm of torque. is that normal? he told me no internals had been done the only mod he had done was 'wait for it' a 3'' exhaust wtf also he had 240XXXks on it!

i've heard somewhere that a b16a has the most gains with a 3" exhaust...but its hard to belive without before and after dyno runs

[silver_screen]

3" is too big for such a small engine..

i wouldnt go any bigger than a 2.5" exhaust. even with the motor we're currently building, its exhaust size isnt going anywhere beyond 2.75" which i reckon is too big anyway, there'd be more torque gain with a slightly smaller exhaust

[_FeRiO_]

just dynoed my em1 on sat.
got 94.5kw wif exhaust, hi-flow cat and cai.

[czy_sol87]

just dynoed my em1 on sat.
got 94.5kw wif exhaust, hi-flow cat and cai.

there pretty good numbers buddy
mine was dynoed a while ago, with only a pod filter on the end of my intake arm
and i got 80fwkw with a sliping clutch
the dyno was done when i first bought the car, so i'll probly dyno it again soon, to see if its any different now

[crx88rb]

Car: 92 EG5 with B16A conversion
Engine: B16A1, 92 from Jap EG6 halfcut
Mods: TypeR throttle body, K&N "ram" style pod with custom cai box, GReddy spark plugs... haha,
That Day: shell optimax, no octane boost or any additives, serviced with motul 8100 oil.
Dyno reading: 136.8BHP, converts to roughly 102kw atw?? sound right?
Dyno Type: Dyno Dynamics, charity day at Autobarn Sunbury.

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that is really good for just straight bolt on mods

[Kiz_EG6]

that is really good for just straight bolt on mods

Yeah i was very impressed on the day, but the sheet doesn't lie.
The car was definately faster than my DC2R!

I dunno what it was about it!

[crx88rb]

a simple set of cams,cam gears and ecu and your looking at 145 to 55

[barefootbonzai]

We're building a B16a and this thing will make some serious n/a power :)

expect it to make no less than 150kw @ wheels


keeping it 1.6L? I'd like to see that. Most have enough trouble getting 150kw with 1.8L and 2L. Guess we wait and see...


a simple set of cams,cam gears and ecu and your looking at 145 to 55

Maybe on some dodgy dyno

[BlitZ]

Maybe on some dodgy dyno

disney watts in sydney :thumbsup:

[barefootbonzai]

disney watts in sydney :thumbsup:

ahhahahah disney watts FTW!

[JohnnyVtec]

:p B16a2 with, Modded factory airbox+ *DH-Racing.com TB+IM Combo*+H+E quick tuned power fc.

[silver_screen]

keeping it 1.6L? I'd like to see that. Most have enough trouble getting 150kw with 1.8L and 2L. Guess we wait and see...



Yes so far its staying a 1.6lt.. unless the customer decides otherwise... like i said earlier.. this guy isnt most ppl.. *whispers* i think his got problems ;)

but then agian... imagine having something like a 200sx with ur typical mods, zorst, cooler + boost and then gettin mauled by a lil civic.... imagine how it would sound being inside the 200sx and havin the civic pullin away screamin @ 13,000rpm....

This guy may have problems, but atleast somethings tickin the right way in his brain :D

[nigs]

imagine how it would sound being inside the 200sx and havin the civic pullin away screamin @ 13,000rpm....


You don't need 13,000rpms to do that. Maybe a turbo (or two) or N20. Or just a get real sports car.

/bait

[barefootbonzai]

lol i ain't gonna even bother. Let me know when you hit the 150kw with the b16. and it has to be kilo watts not disney watts.

[ek4-guy]

silver screen why dont you post some dyno charts for that 500kw RX7 you got

[ZeForce]

lol i ain't gonna even bother. Let me know when you hit the 150kw with the b16. and it has to be kilo watts not disney watts.

~150Nm @ 9500rpm would be good for 150kw which is a feasible amount of torque for a high comp 1.6L, the difficult part is getting that amount of torque to carry that high into the rev range.

[silver_screen]

All in good time Ek4 :)

as for needs.. u dont need 13k. or a turbo.. the customer just wants it.. and u can carry torque anywhere u want in a rev range, provided the cam is spec'd to do so and 150kw isnt an impossible feat guys.. :)

[xtercii]

when is that 150kw beast coming out?

[silver_screen]

i have no idea... iguess whenever they cough up the cash for the job lol

I personally am not building the engine.. only the head machinest :)

[EK4 Phil]

Just thought I might post my dyno results.

Car: '97 Vti-R Civic
Engine: B16A2
Mods: K&N panel filter!
KW@ wheels: 92 kw atw in third
Dyno Type: Dyno Dynamics Wakelin Automotive Ballarat
Wheels: 15 inch 195 50
Temp: around 20 degrees

After 4-1 extractor and 2 1/4 inch exhaust with twin loop. Same location
KW@ wheels: 101 kw atw in third
Temp: Around 25 degress

[LVNIT]

I recently made the following..

Car: 1999 Civic Coupe VTIR
Engine: B16A2
Mods: Stock
KW At Wheels: 98.6
Dyno Type: Dyno Dynamics
Gear: 4th
Wheels: 15 inch
Temp: 8 Degrees

[ONE600]

We made 90Kw atw when we had the b16... still ran 13.9 on street tyres :)

[SLOWEGG]

JDM B16A 104.9kw - catback(stock cat), full CAI.

[Sexc86]

nice figures and 1/4 times to match!

[IZY-10]

i know it is not all motor but have you guys seen this 700hp b16 before?

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread/2073807

[ZeForce]

E85 has a much higher octane rating than regular pump fuel

[ZeForce]

Just to add my previous B16a2 dynoed 97kw with only intake and ProECU

[IZY-10]

still pretty impresive:thumbsup:

[eg92b16a]

My car dynoed pretty close to 110kW atw a couple of weeks ago
Not bad for an engine with 214K on the clock.
type R cams and springs (head hasn't been off the engine)
Skunk2 intake manifold with std TB
Mugen 4-1 headers with Buddy club spec III pro exhaust
Short ram intake with dodgy cold air setup.
S100
VTEC crossover @ 4800rpm NICE.

Big thanks to Dyno Dave for the tune and 101 motor cafe for the use of the dyno.

[bennjamin]

I think I'm close to that D.
My car dynoed pretty close to 110kW atw, which equates to 147.6 HP atw, therefore the engine will have 147.6kW. Pretty close to 150kW at the engine when you use the rough conversion of wheel HP to engine kW.

Not bad for an engine with 214K on the clock.
type R cams and springs
Skunk2 intake manifold with std TB
Mugen 4-1 headers with Buddy club spec III pro exhaust
Short ram intake with dodgy cold air setup.
S100
VTEC crossover @ 4800rpm NICE.

Big thanks to Dyno Dave for the tune and 101 motor cafe for the use of the dyno.


I think he refers to ATW?

[czy_sol87]

just had mine on the dyno over the weekend
put out 92.6kw@fw, using BP ultimate
mods are
-CAI
-xforce headers
-JDM eg6 cat
-custom 2.5" catback
not a bad result imo for a car that has 210k on the clock and is reltatively stock

[IZY-10]

just had mine on the dyno over the weekend
put out 92.6kw@fw, using BP ultimate
mods are
-CAI
-xforce headers
-JDM eg6 cat
-custom 2.5" catback
not a bad result imo for a car that has 210k on the clock and is reltatively stock

Just wondering why did you opt for the 2.5" catback over the 2.25"? i would of thought that you would be loosing back pressure ultimately reducing peak power output

[eg92b16a]

I think he refers to ATW?

I know.

I think 150 ATW out of an NA B16A is stretching it. Might as well get a K20 if you want that sort of power, and probably cheaper in the long run.

[dsp26]

Just wondering why did you opt for the 2.5" catback over the 2.25"? i would of thought that you would be loosing back pressure ultimately reducing peak power output

back pressure gives torque, trying to salvage torque out of a b16 is pointless imo... therefore allow the higher cam to breathe better in the rpm by just free-ing the flow instead.

if u want to gain some drivability in low rev get a light flywheel

i too have 2.5mandrel, but for me its coz i know i'll have sk2s2 cams later + higher CR.

[czy_sol87]

back pressure gives torque, trying to salvage torque out of a b16 is pointless imo... therefore allow the higher cam to breathe better in the rpm by just free-ing the flow instead.

if u want to gain some drivability in low rev get a light flywheel

i too have 2.5mandrel, but for me its coz i know i'll have sk2s2 cams later + higher CR.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
thats the same as mine 2.5" mandrel bent cat back
i've also got a spoon lightweight fly and excedy sport ceramic clutch

[dsp26]

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
thats the same as mine 2.5" mandrel bent cat back
i've also got a spoon lightweight fly and excedy sport ceramic clutch

sweet! i've been meaning to ask a fellow sol owner... Adrian/Toda advised that the delsol had the heaviest fly of all B series powered cars.... how big a difference was the lower rpm for you? or even 1st/2nd/3rd revability to redline? got any video clips?

[barefootbonzai]

I think I'm close to that D.
My car dynoed pretty close to 110kW atw, which equates to 147.6 HP atw, therefore the engine will have 147.6kW. Pretty close to 150kW at the engine when you use the rough conversion of wheel HP to engine kW.



yeah i'm not sure what you're trying to get at here jason. i'm the one who put your engine together...

and we've all been talking about 150kw's ATW not engine...

[czy_sol87]

sweet! i've been meaning to ask a fellow sol owner... Adrian/Toda advised that the delsol had the heaviest fly of all B series powered cars.... how big a difference was the lower rpm for you? or even 1st/2nd/3rd revability to redline? got any video clips?

to tell u the truth at first i couldnt really notice the difference
but then once i started to drive heaps more, plus driving other b16a hondas, i noticed mine does rev up heaps faster than stock flywheeled b16as

there are down sides with this package though, basicly its a bit harder to drive while a/c is on with this clutch and flywheel, and heavy traffic is a c**t cause the clutch is soo heavy and gets really sticky when it heats up
but i dont regret doin these mods at all, i recomend it to anyone that is thinkin of doin it

dont really have any videos displaying the lightweight flywheel, other than the one when it was on the dyno recently, but even then it wont really show u the effects of the lightweight flywheel

[eg92b16a]

yeah i'm not sure what you're trying to get at here jason. i'm the one who put your engine together...

and we've all been talking about 150kw's ATW not engine...


I know.

I think 150 ATW out of an NA B16A is stretching it. Might as well get a K20 if you want that sort of power, and probably cheaper in the long run.

I'll edit my post then.

[todaek9]

Erm...just out of curiousity, which workshop does the 150kw ATW B16a honda at? Melbourne?
Who is doing this car?? and whois car is that??
if a 13,000rpm car got 150kw atw, can i have a run with the guy??

[SPEEDCORE]

if a 13,000rpm car got 150kw atw, can i have a run with the guy??

Heh here we go......

*grabs popcorn*

[bennjamin]

Erm...just out of curiousity, which workshop does the 150kw ATW B16a honda at? Melbourne?
Who is doing this car?? and whois car is that??
if a 13,000rpm car got 150kw atw, can i have a run with the guy??

If you downshift into 1st gear while sitting on around 100km/h - you will hit around 150kw @ the wheels. Everything will blow up but it will be worth the dyno printout.

[todaek9]

If you downshift into 1st gear while sitting on around 100km/h - you will hit around 150kw @ the wheels. Everything will blow up but it will be worth the dyno printout.


HAHAHAHa.....uhh...now i get it...LOL!

[crazyEG]

Bang Bang

[czy_sol87]

just tuned my crx using greddy emanage blue
mate of mine named Cihan Aday did the tuning using RE Customs dyno, u can find his website here (http://etuner.com.au/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/) or in my sig
mods are xforce headers, JDM eg6 cat, custom 2.5" mandrel bent cat back, and fujita CAI
very happy with the results more than i expected out of a relatively stock b16a2:D
before mods
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c276/czy_sol87/SCAN0004.jpg
after mods
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c276/czy_sol87/SCAN0003-1.jpg
after tune
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c276/czy_sol87/after.jpg

[SLOWEGG]

Nice result.

[mrwillz]

fark louiey
such a hoon wif all that power

[czy_sol87]

fark louiey
such a hoon wif all that power

hehehehe:p

[mrwillz]

im very impressed as well with the ouput of b16

[czy_sol87]

yeh man not bad for a n/a 1.6, with just I/H/E and tune

[kn1ghtm4r3]

hmm imagine u had some crazy quality headers. =D more poweeerr ahaha nice results but for the mods u have

[czy_sol87]

hmm imagine u had some crazy quality headers. =D more poweeerr ahaha nice results but for the mods u have

imo the xforce ones are fine, and are really good bang for buck
if i was chasing every single kw, which im not atm i would go for some better quiality headers, even then what would the increase be 1-2kw....

[fatboyz39]

Have to agree, X-force headers are bang for buck. Good for stock motors.

Very nice result there. Time to hit the strip and see it pulls.

[tengsta]

wow nice tune, the a/f ratio is like so straight :O

[ek4-guy]

hmm 108.1kw looks like i'll need a tune soon

[big tone]

can't wait to see what waggy gets thats things gunna be a weapon

just needs someone reliable to tune it. LOL and not to you waggy.

[czy_sol87]

my tuner rekons i can pull bout 120kw@fw if i get a IM with short runners and a 70mm TB and another tune

oh and btw Cihan is willing to travel interstate to tune cars, his headed to bris this friday and tuning a couple of soarers, if anyone is interested in getting their car tuned by cihan have a look at his website (can find in my sig) or hit me up with a pm

[big tone]

my tuner rekons i can pull bout 120kw@fw if i get a IM with short runners and a 70mm TB and another tune

waggy has a BDL 70mm tb for sale or he'll swap for a ITR tb. Pm him if your interested.

[ProECU]

my tuner rekons i can pull bout 120kw@fw if i get a IM with short runners and a 70mm TB and another tune

thats a big claim...

[G-Stick]

wat kinda dyno is it running on? cuz 120 is heaps for a b16 imo

[locote]

thats 40hp ATW more than my b18c..
Same power as my B18c with 7psi of T3/4 boost goin iin it...
low 13sec machine you have there
VERY IMPRESIVE

[czy_sol87]

thats a big claim...

its just an estimation proECU, not claimin that with the intake upgrades my car will make 120kw@fw
but i've ordered a skunk2 IM, buddyclub cam gears, and about to order a 68mm TB
i'll install all these and with another tune, hopefully it can pull close to the estimation

[locote]

What 1/4 mile times and term speed have u run???

[czy_sol87]

havent been to calder with all the mods yet
but last time i ran, only mods were headers and catback(stock cat with blown gasket), intake
i ran 15.9, and this was on shit street tyres
better tyres and if i actually learn to launch:p should show a better time

[locote]

Mph??

[czy_sol87]

15.97@86.04mph
60' 2.411

[czy_sol87]

skunk2 pro series IM and TB have been purchased along with buddy club adjustable cam gears
will be fitting them as soon as the TB arrives then another dyno tune and hopefully will be pulling somewhere b/w 115-120kw@fw

[ek4-guy]

was the last run in shoot out mode it doesnt say at the bottom

and why different dyno's every time? if i was you i'd take it back to the first place now and have them dyno it again.

Your car had 92.6kw with only mods and 108.1kw tuned thats a 15.5kw increase from tuning alone. Thats very impresive maybe i should follow your build.

my ek4 with 200,000+kms made 108.7kw with only I/H/E ask your tuner if he thinks the same method will work for me because as the theory goes with a new IM, a 70mm TB and a tune from your friend i should end up with hmm 108.7kw+15kw+11kw= 134.7kw

[fatboyz39]

Your 108kw abit unrealistic IMO..... If its true your motor making 108kw atw when you go outto drags again your MPH should be around 94-98MPH.

[locote]

10mph gain from just intake and tuning....
If your intake is a 12psi from a T3/4 then u will be getting 98+mph for sure..

[czy_sol87]

was the last run in shoot out mode it doesnt say at the bottom

and why different dyno's every time? if i was you i'd take it back to the first place now and have them dyno it again.

Your car had 92.6kw with only mods and 108.1kw tuned thats a 15.5kw increase from tuning alone. Thats very impresive maybe i should follow your build.

my ek4 with 200,000+kms made 108.7kw with only I/H/E ask your tuner if he thinks the same method will work for me because as the theory goes with a new IM, a 70mm TB and a tune from your friend i should end up with hmm 108.7kw+15kw+11kw= 134.7kw

the first 2 were at dyno days, and last one cause my mate uses their dyno to tune cars

every dyno is different and every time u dyno ur car ur gonna have a different reading, my figures are just estimates of the power im putting down

havent put my car onto the strip since the new cat and everything else was installed, i ran it pretty much a stock car, planing on goin again soon, but only once i get some decent tyres, and learn how to launch:p

[nvdvtc]

hey guyz use 2 hav a b16a headwork skunk 2 pro cams cams sharft cam gears vale spring and retainers... and headers with full exhaust pump 111kw at the front wheels..... not bad but runing stock chrome ecu its shit man ahhahaa hondata s300 better ahaha but didnt hav enough money 2 buy it well thats wat i got in a b16a but i reckonmend b18c7 or k20..... cheerz

[Waggy]

hey guyz use 2 hav a b16a headwork skunk 2 pro cams cams sharft cam gears vale spring and retainers... and headers with full exhaust pump 111kw at the front wheels..... not bad but runing stock chrome ecu its shit man ahhahaa hondata s300 better ahaha but didnt hav enough money 2 buy it well thats wat i got in a b16a but i reckonmend b18c7 or k20..... cheerz

Good result, I'm using some of the same products in my car.

I'll post up my results on the weekend.

[vanxpress]

f.......talking about tunning to the max u have tune my itr and crx to the highest level now left me with a repair bill easy over 25k and u walk away like nothing has happened my itr being lying there over a year can u fckn please stop tunning other cars to the max and start to have a bit of response able on my cars i have gave you over 30k and wat do i get mr james .......you making justin feel like a dck h........putting him in the middle........mate your not a kid please mate

[wkdteg]

f.......talking about tunning to the max u have tune my itr and crx to the highest level now left me with a repair bill easy over 25k and u walk away like nothing has happened my itr being lying there over a year can u fckn please stop tunning other cars to the max and start to have a bit of response able on my cars i have gave you over 30k and wat do i get mr james .......you making justin feel like a dck h........putting him in the middle........mate your not a kid please mate

huh?
thats a bloody long sentence dude... i ran out of breath!

[big tone]

f.......talking about tunning to the max u have tune my itr and crx to the highest level now left me with a repair bill easy over 25k and u walk away like nothing has happened my itr being lying there over a year can u fckn please stop tunning other cars to the max and start to have a bit of response able on my cars i have gave you over 30k and wat do i get mr james .......you making justin feel like a dck h........putting him in the middle........mate your not a kid please mate

and where did this come from
sounds like we'll be hearing about this abit more..
take a breath, break it up a bit and explaine a bit more
(not to be rude)

[vanxpress]

fck it quik for u to collect money but it taken over a year just to fix your mistake havent u got insurance just put in a claim mate do u need me to use my phone to call for u.

[vanxpress]

mate not being a rude c...nt ... every time i c that james blk crx talking about fine and max tune he makes me sick that i regreat buying a honda...........sory ozhonda members for saying this but i gota say it out .....just like u respect me than i will respect u ,all the same as wat goes around will come around............ this was about three years ago i bought my itr dc2 it only had 30000km so i decide to turn it mean machine been looking around and asking people of ideas wat to do with this babe is still a virgin ....car from a to z never been touch before..so i decide i order a blower something difference so i order a jackson racing super charge kit cost me around 5 to 6000k and asking people around who can do this job couple of mate recomended here to there etc...a friend ask me wat ecu u gona use i didnt have any fckn idea ..escuse me for my langauge.....he told me hondatta has got a very good name for after market ecu especaily for jr supercharge..so he told to ring james blk crx 480kw atw..so i gave dr james a call and he book a meeting to see him the next day in nunawading i rock up with my blower he look at the car and said u cant get any stock than this so he start to take all hiss dr honda technics and threw it at me u sould do this do that it was very confusion so wat i told him write me out a quote now and i will give a straight answer yes or no ..hi quote was tien super street coil over ,head port polish toda c cams vavles spring .retainers etc...honda s200 ecu the top end all almost fully done but he didnt touch the bottom end at all .toda fly wheel exedy cussion button clutch,exhaust system throttle body i supplied.he made the in cold intake an fitted the blower ...? WATTS the quote 19500k i had and 20mins think i didnt want to shiiiit talker wasting people time so i told him done and said to him u b mangaging my car told him i got no ideas wat coming on and off so i leave it all to him.......made arangement for james to pik up the itr next day gave him a 10000k deposit for the job he promise me the job will take max 4 weeks ...a waited and waited from march to january felt like i never had this itr result was blower was no good belt keeps on snapping suppercharge pulley is not lining with other pulleys ..all that time i waited he said to me go turbo he was going talk me into buying his blk crx turbo kit quote me some thing like12 to 14000k ...but the boys at the work shop said they dont want to give up with the blower ..i brought i scharge pulley to racing project and spoke to nelson told him how i need the pulley to b so he made me up one with the cnc machine and only charge me 120 dollars and deliver to me next day...so shitt was put together car was running good got 171kw atw driving it about a month i decide to go for new full exaust system got rid of the 5 zigen system and use modproject system cost me 3 k but was woth it 11kw different dr james was trying to do his fine technics tunes and somehow was to excited and drop his laptop and broke it ...than itr that he was in the middle of his tunning operation sounded like lawn mower i cant beleive that he told me that cool to drive it so took his word drive it fo a couple of days fck me dead man where i go any one that driving behind me or parked behind would copp all this yukki black fuel all over vechile i can hear bloke screaming out there fix your fckn box mate...was shatted rang dr james he said he come pass my place in richmond in two days and need to street tune it as well..took his word for left the car in the garage for two days waiting for dr james .the morning start of the vechile u copp thick white smoke and car does not idle at all to drive the thing u got to keep your feet on the idle.wen came got the car from my garage about 6pm he told me it a 1 to2 day job i was cool with that he drove off with the car i hear him calling bak there no fuel in the car so the car konked out 500m away from my place i remember there was atleast one line left on the fuel metre so had to listen to dr got a jerry can for nothing to fill it up so i drove the car to 7 eleven for him to fill up and left him with the car it was pooring rain 20min he rining again the car got a flat battery so i drive sti to cnr swan st and church st to jump start him the idiot keep on jump stating over and over again he gave up left me with the car he told me it will b a 5min fix wen it gets bak to the garage so i had to call a tow truck out of my expence 180bucks going local .a week later i towed the vechile to nunawading where the work shop is they couldnt start the vechile so the boys had to pull the head off to c wat the go.....8 bent valves suprise so the the boy was talking me into let do the bottom end i agree with it i gave the boys 10000k to order in jun conrods toda piston etc...to turn it to bullett proff engine wen we pulled the engine engine apart the crank and block was gone bearing were spun off it position crank had bad marks on it told dr james by the looks of him it wear and tear...he put the owner of the work in the middle wen justins got nothing to do with it.so james has contracted the job to a workshop and by the looks of things he wants blame it else where.......2nd vechiles crx b16a turbo charge gt 30 turbo xternal waste gate engine been fully built burger with the lotwas running in the motor easy start after my fckn senior dr james put a u100 hondatta ecu and decides to keep my orginal ecu and do his fine max tune again the poor thing over heated and dr would let the engine cool down again and keeping on tunning fck this time oil start s to spit all out of the sump gaskets oil will fill up my catch can ...wen my friend pulled the head apart all the sleeves was cracked of over heating....wat do i say now took dr james to check it out cant beleive he said this the engine wasnt built strong enought..so he lashed off for a proffessional person like dr james the pioneer of hondatta ecu one of the world leading brand for honda aftermarket ecu i dont know watt to say people...seems like hit and run ...........sorry every one it a long story but to say it .....some how and plus it been nearly 3 years the engine still at the work shop and with the crx is been work by another work shop sould be done in two weeks with a proper set up quad TB turbo charge EXTURNAL WASTE GAUGE B16B THANK FOR YOUR ATTENTION ....REGARDS VAN....:zip:

[Waggy]

Where the shit did all that come from? Seems pretty random?

[JasonGilholme]

seems like vanxpress doesn't have a brain and trusted someone with his car, and money, that he doesn't even know.

[hondavti25]

Thats wierd. James comes across as a pro to me. His car is proof of that but wow thats alot money to be throwing at some one for thier car. Something doesnt sound right very bad luck.

[SPEEDCORE]

Your B16A dyno results?

:rolleyes:

[barefootbonzai]

seems like vanxpress doesn't have a brain and trusted someone with his car, and money, that he doesn't even know.

and y the fcuk would you say something like that? Poor guy probably got some dumb ass advice from some internet mechanic...

By the way his talking about BLKCRX (Hondata James), very well known and claims to be one of the best in the industry...

Vanxpress, thanks for sharing mate, maybe now some other guys can open there eyes before forking over big bux to so called "experts".

[barefootbonzai]

Thats wierd. James comes across as a pro to me. His car is proof of that but wow thats alot money to be throwing at some one for thier car. Something doesnt sound right very bad luck.

I don't think using your own car is proof of your skillz and knowledge. If you wanna see how good of an Engine bulider/Tuner/Engine swap etc... look at the person's in question customers cars, not their own.

[JasonGilholme]

and y the fcuk would you say something like that?

Cause he claims to have 'done his research' and he goes out and buys a supercharger instead of a turbocharger.

Waste of money if you ask me.

[barefootbonzai]

Cause he claims to have 'done his research' and he goes out and buys a supercharger instead of a turbocharger.

Waste of money if you ask me.

he said he did his research and wanted something different. probably came onto here, and listerned to randoms to go seek James.

Then was assured by the James the "expert" that they could make what he wanted to happen for $xxxxxx.

[fatboyz39]

WOW that post was so hard to read!!!....

Seem like you blew alot of money....badluck .

[JasonGilholme]

Then was assured by the James the "expert" that they could make what he wanted to happen for $xxxxxx.

So your saying that James ****ed up?

[barefootbonzai]

So your saying that James ****ed up?

OMG, your you kidding me? If you paid someone to do a job, and they don't get it done, who's fault is that?

[Waggy]

From what I read (a very hard read at that) - seems like the engine builders fault, not James'.

From my experience, James is highly skilled, professional and reliable. Three things that one other particular self proclaimed "expert" tuner is NOT.

I'll be posting my results from my tuning this weekend - James is my tuner. I'm sure my results will speak for themselves. The fact that my car is actually BEING TUNED is fact enough in itself for those who know my story.

Maybe then everyone can see who they can trust with their hard earned dosh, rather than pissing it away on someone with no idea.

[barefootbonzai]

I don't know about you, but i wouldn't just go paying someone without asking around first. And i would expect the person that i actually paid to take responsibilly for what was asked for that money, regardless of who acutally did the job. You should know that better than anyone.

I hope you're happy with James tune this coming weekend. Let us know how it all goes. Before and after graphs would be nice.

[riceball]

Cause he claims to have 'done his research' and he goes out and buys a supercharger instead of a turbocharger.

Waste of money if you ask me.

Whats wrong with a supercharger?

[ginganggooly]

From what I read (a very hard read at that) - seems like the engine builders fault, not James'.

From my experience, James is highly skilled, professional and reliable. Three things that one other particular self proclaimed "expert" tuner is NOT.

I'll be posting my results from my tuning this weekend - James is my tuner. I'm sure my results will speak for themselves. The fact that my car is actually BEING TUNED is fact enough in itself for those who know my story.

Maybe then everyone can see who they can trust with their hard earned dosh, rather than pissing it away on someone with no idea.


ROFL

Here comes the pain boy. I can't wait to see how this turns out.

[ginganggooly]

I don't know about you, but i wouldn't just go paying someone without asking around first. And i would expect the person that i actually paid to take responsibilly for what was asked for that money, regardless of who acutally did the job. You should know that better than anyone.

I hope you're happy with James tune this coming weekend. Let us know how it all goes. Before and after graphs would be nice.

Mate, my before and after graphs meant didly squat. My mates stock vti-r was quicker than my car with IHE after a little James magic.

... then dave had a go; hello 5-6 car lengths. Chalk and cheese.

[barefootbonzai]

lol my bad. guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[Waggy]

I don't know about you, but i wouldn't just go paying someone without asking around first. And i would expect the person that i actually paid to take responsibilly for what was asked for that money, regardless of who acutally did the job. You should know that better than anyone.

I hope you're happy with James tune this coming weekend. Let us know how it all goes. Before and after graphs would be nice.

Exactly my point. I did ask around - and look what I got? A shit road tune and $1.2k of debt. There's your chalk and cheese right there.


ROFL

Here comes the pain boy. I can't wait to see how this turns out.

Oh look out - here comes the fan club!! Let the brainwashing begin!!!

[JasonGilholme]

Whats wrong with a supercharger?

Read up on the pros and cons mate. Turbo is better bang for buck and gets your power figure alot higher for the same amount of boost.


From what I read (a very hard read at that) - seems like the engine builders fault, not James'.

Thats what i think as well


Exactly my point. I did ask around - and look what I got? A shit road tune and $1.2k of debt. There's your chalk and cheese right there.

Oh look out - here comes the fan club!! Let the brainwashing begin!!!

Damn thats a big debt. Has he done anything to help you out??

HAHAH Fan Club! lol

[riceball]

Read up on the pros and cons mate. Turbo is better bang for buck and gets your power figure alot higher for the same amount of boost.

So you're saying that turbo's dont have pros and cons? Sure turbos are better if you big power, but what if i want something to go tracking with, something with instant power??

Hasports crx have used JR super chargers on their b16 and k20 engines and they even prefer it over the turbocharger.

[JasonGilholme]

yes of course everything has its pros and cons mate.

Its just that the majority of people (probably including this vanexpress dude) would prefer the characteristics of a turbo over a supercharger.

[barefootbonzai]

So you're saying that turbo's dont have pros and cons? Sure turbos are better if you big power, but what if i want something to go tracking with, something with instant power??

Hasports crx have used JR super chargers on their b16 and k20 engines and they even prefer it over the turbocharger.


what would hasport know, they are just wasting money according to JasonGilmore.

[JasonGilholme]

its gilholme mate. learn how to read.

i didn't say they didn't know anything. stop making shit up.

[riceball]

yes of course everything has its pros and cons mate.

Its just that the majority of people (probably including this vanexpress dude) would prefer the characteristics of a turbo over a supercharger.

That doesn't make the turbocharger better than the supercharger does it? Just cause a "majority" of people prefer it. It comes down to your power goal, budget and application.

Alot of people like bigmacs rather than zinger burgers, doesn't make it better. :thumbdwn:

[ginganggooly]

Oh look out - here comes the fan club!! Let the brainwashing begin!!!

So because myself and many, many others are very happy customers, we get well looked after, and thus spread the word, we're brainwashing people?...

And it's okay for dullards like yourself to hop online and complain about how unfair life is treating you?

What kind of dipshit logic is that?

You sound like a complete pain in the arse customer to me. I actually pity anyone with the misfortune of winning your business.

[Waggy]

Damn thats a big debt. Has he done anything to help you out??

Nope. Haven't seen the money or had ANY form of contact.

[barefootbonzai]

Cause he claims to have 'done his research' and he goes out and buys a supercharger instead of a turbocharger.

Waste of money if you ask me.


what would hasport know, they are just wasting money according to JasonGilmore.


its gilholme mate. learn how to read.

i didn't say they didn't know anything. stop making shit up.

you just said that anyone choosing a supercharger is wasting money. hence making hasport pretty stupid for wasting money correct.

[JasonGilholme]

you just said that anyone choosing a supercharger is wasting money. hence making hasport pretty stupid for wasting money correct.

so your comparing a big racing company (building a car to promote their business) to an ordinary run of the mill guy who wants some more performance from his car.

Bit of a difference don't you think??

and as riceball said. It depends on the application. I'm guessing hasport are making a drag car so instant boost (with a roots style charger - not centrifugal) will suit their application better then a turbocharger.

[ZeForce]

Endyn seem to get very impressive results with a supercharger

[Waggy]

So because myself and many, many others are very happy customers, we get well looked after, and thus spread the word, we're brainwashing people?...


I can pretty much guarantee there is just as many unhappy customers, and people that think he is overrated.

You get well looked after because you are liked by the tuner, not because you are paying customers (well... maybe AND because you are paying customers). And yes, you guys have a monopoly on this site, if it's not one of you guys blowing his horn, it's one of the other sheep who think he is the only guy out there that can tune a Honda.



And it's okay for dullards like yourself to hop online and complain about how unfair life is treating you?

Dullard? How unfair life is treating me? What the shit are you on about?

Life is great and I'm actually quite an upbeat person. Funny how you make such judgements about me, even though you only know me online yourself? That's a bit hypocritical, no?

I'm simply an unhappy customer who is demanding my money back. You would be too if someone took a wad of your money, gave you a shit service and then ignored you. Hmmmm, sounds like a scam does it not?

Put yourself in my shoes and stop protecting your mate.



What kind of dipshit logic is that?


LOL. Oh I don't know.... it's pretty human I think.



You sound like a complete pain in the arse customer to me. I actually pity anyone with the misfortune of winning your business.

Pain in the arse eh? If that's what it takes to get my money back (ie: what I'm owed), then yeah, that's what I am. Thanks for bestowing your all seeing judgemental eye on me again.... you must be a shaman?

[JasonGilholme]

Pain in the arse eh? If that's what it takes to get my money back (ie: what I'm owed), then yeah, that's what I am. Thanks for bestowing your all seeing judgemental eye on me again.... you must be a shaman?

I totally agree man. If your not a pain in the ass then your not going to get anything.

I had a long chat with the guys at the fair trading office and they gave me alot of tips about getting my money back and being a pain in the ass was one of the major tips.

I've still got all their contact info mate, i'll forward it to you because i was successful on multiple claims and it didn't take much to get fair trading moving as well. They don't take shit, especially when it comes to labour charges.

[barefootbonzai]

so your comparing a big racing company (building a car to promote their business) to an ordinary run of the mill guy who wants some more performance from his car.

Bit of a difference don't you think??

and as riceball said. It depends on the application. I'm guessing hasport are making a drag car so instant boost (with a roots style charger - not centrifugal) will suit their application better then a turbocharger.

The whole point was, you're the one Claiming that VanExpress just wasted money on a supercharger and it was all his fault for shit that James promised that he would do for him but didnt' deliver. Or none of us wouldn't have even bothered replying.

And stop trying to act like you know everything. lmao @ drag car so instant boost.

[0098]

well i see some very interesting b16a dyno results the last few pages lol

[ek4-guy]

lol he had all those problems but he got another car done

[JasonGilholme]

0098: yeah stupid isn't it.

bigfatbonzai: i just stated my opinion. your the one that came in and didn't like what i said.

[JasonGilholme]

drag car so instant boost.

ever researched a roots style supercharger and how it displaces are to create boost??

doubt it.

[wkdteg]

*** this thread has gone WAY off topic.
looks... theres points to agree with and points to dissagree with.

for starters: vanexpress - please learn how to construct proper sentences, my head was goin to explode reading that shit u posted.

secondly: he commited himself to 20k worth of work in 20minutes. WTF is that? seriously dude, if there is 1 thing i learned from james is that he CLEARLY tries to explain every single facet of the job to the customer to make sure they understand what he is going to do and why. mayb u were in a rush? i dont know, but that was ur first mistake.

thirdly, from what i understand, james doesnt do any of the mechanical work himself. justin and the guys at revzone do all the mechanical stuff, james is the dude that makes it all go right.

fourthly: barefoot - i know ur a highly respected member here, and so is jason. u said that not lookin at the tuners car but his customers car is the proof in their work. ur right. like any other business there are satisfied customers and unsatisfied customers - just depends on their expectation. i for 1 am a satisfied customer of james.

lastly guys, we must remember to listen to both sides of the story, all weve heard is vans rambling on, but im sure james has a side aswell. dont make judgement otherwise.

now get back 2 the mutha ***en topic :)

[barefootbonzai]

0098: yeah stupid isn't it.

bigfatbonzai: i just stated my opinion. your the one that came in and didn't like what i said.

lol, someones a little hurt cause i spelt their name wrong.

and yep, i totally disagree that it's VanExpress fault in all this.

[JasonGilholme]

someones a little hurt cause i spelt their name wrong.

nah mate not hurt. just making it fair for you.

[0098]

bloody queenslanders

[SPEEDCORE]

bloody queenslanders

Shut up j00 mexican! :p

Who wants to see my poxy dyno with shite tune from the recent dyno day up here?

Maybe we can all forget this all ever happened and rag on my shite box....and maybe my thread can possibly see 4 years without being axed :)

[barefootbonzai]

ever researched a roots style supercharger and how it displaces are to create boost??

doubt it.

lol totally missed this one. I was laughing at your statement on drag cars needing instant boost, as apposed to huge top ends. Another fine example of your extensive knowledge getting shared amoung the lost noobs.

Care to explain the difference between where power is made between your "roots style" and a normal supercharger?

[ek4-guy]

So just what is the highest dyno graph ever posted for a N/A b16a on here


http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u156/ek4-guy/Genral%20pictures/kodak.jpg

[grumpy rooster]

Care to explain the difference between where power is made between your "roots style" and a normal supercharger?

I'm going to butt in here. There is a huge difference between rootes and centrifugal blowers. Centrifugal blowers are for retards who want the worst characteristics of both turbo and supercharger installations. "Dyno queen blower" is an apt name for them. :p

[EG5]

So just what is the highest dyno graph ever posted for a N/A b16a on here


http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u156/ek4-guy/Genral%20pictures/kodak.jpg

119kw@wheel was the highest but again dyno graph is nothing if its not backed up by 1/4 mile slip.
Different dyno , different operator , different way of strapping , different set up etc = different reading

[SPEEDCORE]

119kw@wheel was the highest

That was the PCT slugs and BC header one yer?

[barefootbonzai]

I'm going to butt in here. There is a huge difference between rootes and centrifugal blowers. Centrifugal blowers are for retards who want the worst characteristics of both turbo and supercharger installations. "Dyno queen blower" is an apt name for them. :p

that's a pretty brave call.


That was the PCT slugs and BC header one yer?

119kw is yonas's own car i believe. BC header yes, stock pistons though.

[ek4-guy]

lolz i was just trying to get things back on track but 119kw wow nice one Yonas

[e240]

There's another I think, EG b16A - 116kw with ITR CAMS which did a 13.6, tuned by Toda plus a pretty good driver.

Not sure where the graph was on Ozhonda and too lazy to search

[grumpy rooster]

I'm going to butt in here. There is a huge difference between rootes and centrifugal blowers. Centrifugal blowers are for retards who want the worst characteristics of both turbo and supercharger installations. "Dyno queen blower" is an apt name for them. :p


that's a pretty brave call.



Not at all when you understand the boost curves of each. I'll leave it at that so this gets back on topic. :)

[EG5]

There's another I think, EG b16A - 116kw with ITR CAMS which did a 13.6, tuned by Toda plus a pretty good driver.

Not sure where the graph was on Ozhonda and too lazy to search

it was 110kw@wheel

[e240]

it was 110kw@wheel

Ah yes, something like that...

[dsp26]

interesting.. i like the thread and the current topic... can someone start another thread for the tuning debate so this one doesn't get closed

[barefootbonzai]

back on topic here we go....

My B16 Turbo on 8psi Tunned by James, best time down the 1/4 was 14.01@9xmph...

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3679/dynoui3.jpg

[Waggy]

back on topic here we go....

My B16 Turbo on 8psi Tunned by James, best time down the 1/4 was 14.01@9xmph...

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3679/dynoui3.jpg

This is the All Motor forum.

[barefootbonzai]

This is the All Motor forum.

And the point of that is? You should tell that too all the other guys posting boosted B16's in here.

[ginganggooly]

This is the All Motor forum.

Thanks for that insight. Next time I need the bleeding obvious pointed out, I'll know exactly who to turn to :thumbsup:

[Waggy]

Thanks for that insight. Next time I need the bleeding obvious pointed out, I'll know exactly who to turn to :thumbsup:

Haha, seems like you were hanging back for that big chance to knock my head off eh man?

You're a winner. :thumbsup:

[fatboyz39]

fark 122kw atw? 8psi? WTF???

Am i reading it wrong? if i spent xxx cash to get 20 kw ill be depress...

[bennjamin]

cool and all. IF you like James or dynodave go elsewhere and touch each other.

Please only reply if you have dyno results of your NA b16a car / setup.

[EG5]

So just what is the highest dyno graph ever posted for a N/A b16a on here



119kw @wheel
This could be the highest number here ? My old set up when i had b16a on my EG .

stock untouched b16a bottom end
Stock cam gear ( non adj )
CTR cams
CTR valve springs
Type R IM
Type R TB
Custom CAI
Buddyclub Racing Header
2.5 inch catback
Hondata s100
CTR gearbox

[SLOWEGG]

Im no graph reading expert, but isnt the power graph supposed to be smooth when tuned?

[riceball]

Im no graph reading expert, but isnt the power graph supposed to be smooth when tuned?

yer if tuned properly.

[teh_mechanic]

i have yonas's 119kw b16 in my eg now.got it running last weekend (unfun carb to efi swap done in my spare time)
havnt taken it to dyno yet as im still putting the interior back together so cars not on road yet.
only difference is its got 5zigen header now not buddyclub.
pretty sure the buddyclub is better but barefootbonzai did me a good deal with the whole engine package and i think his friend wanted the buddyclub.
Couldnt work out why car wouldnt start---found it was the chip in my hondata had been put in backwards (6 pins in ecu and 3 or 4 pins (cant remember) for chip)so i moved the chip,ecu power led came on and she started first crank.
thanks barefoot for your honesty and not selling me a dodgy engine

While i don't have my own dyno tune yet ,from the graph in yonas's post im trying to work out why the power delivery is so radical and unsmooth.
I'm thinking it could be something to do with a not such a great job done on the 3 angle valve cut I'm told the head has...but thats just my guess.
I'm leaning towards getting some adjustable cam gears to try and fine tune as i have a heap of power but i feel smoother delivery is needed...anyone think this could help?....for now il just wait til i get a it on a dyno.so without the bitching who can suggest a tuner in brisbane area with honda knowledge (its my first honda lol)
will get pics up when car is complete

[barefootbonzai]

glad u got it up and running bro. hit me up if you need it to be retuned. It should run ok with the map that's currently on the hondata atm though.

[jdmTYPE R]

Im no graph reading expert, but isnt the power graph supposed to be smooth when tuned?
shit graph=shit tune...

[teh_mechanic]

yeah it should be right,il wait to see wat i do after its been drivin for a few weeks....why stop at 119kw lol

[TODA AU]

Though this is stating the obvious,
Yonas's old set up was covered at length in this thread some time ago,
If you'd care to go back & read about it, it's all explained as to why the output was as it was.
Probably back as far as post 150 or 160.

[bennjamin]

to make a 1.6 make more top end you gotta sacrifice low/mid range. Isnt that the basic thing about "tuning" ? It would be impossible to make a 1.6 with 119kw and really strong mid range too

[BaNaNaMaN]

Mates naturally aspirated Da6 Plot

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i15/TEC2NV/dyno_2.jpg


http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i15/TEC2NV/Dsc00759.jpg

SPECS:

1989 Honda Inetgra XSi
1600 dohc vtec
artic white
5 speed manual
sunroof
de-spoilered boot
mouldings colour coded

artic white
de-spoilered boot
mouldings colour coded
B16A2 block (brand new from Japan)
balanced bottom end
knife edged crank
balanced crank pulley, clutch kit and flywheel
TAS Block Guard
Custom resin filled lower girdle
spoon head gasket
B16a head
race port and polish
Skunk 2 Pro Series stage 2 cams
Skunk 2 Pro Series double valve springs
Skunk 2 Pro Series titanium retainers
Skunk 2 Pro Series cam gears
Skunk 2 Pro Series intake manifold
Skunk 2 Pro Series 70mm throttle body
Hytech 4-1 Race Headers
2.5" exhuast
YS1 cable lsd gearbox
AP Racing Twin Plate Clutch Kit ($2500)
Helical Type R LSD
Type R Final Drive
Custom Gear Ratios
msd ignition system
gizzmo chip
vafc 2
sard fuel regulator
prelude 290cc injectors
walbro fuel pump
autoguage revv/shift light
oil pressure, air/fuel ration and water temp guages
custom white face dials
K&N pod filter
rear upper and lower strut braces
stripped interior
motor sport approved fire extinguhser
tinted windows
polised rocker cover, caster arms, intake manifold
all bolts/nuts and brackets chrome dipped
d2 adjustable suspension
d2 rear adjustable camber arms
15" Rota slipstreams
gsd3 eagle f1 typres (street)
brembro slotted rear disks
hawk hp pads

Tuned to 134 KWS at the wheels

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i15/TEC2NV/finished3s.jpg

[SPEEDCORE]

Nice.... what times has it run?

[BaNaNaMaN]

DA6 - 134kws - 14.2 @ 172
Thats the only time it has clocked with full street trim.

It will be getting a Hondata S300 by the new owner hopefully. Then will be interesting to see what it can do.

[barefootbonzai]

DA6 - 134kws - 14.2 @ 172
Thats the only time it has clocked with full street trim.


You sure about that time? Seem very off, did the guy get like a 2.6 60ft time running on nangkangs with 40psi in the tyres or something?

14.2@106mph. with that MPH that's good for a high 12 sec pass, especially in a LS teg.

At least the mph backs up the dyno graph.

[BaNaNaMaN]

You sure about that time? Seem very off, did the guy get like a 2.6 60ft time running on nangkangs with 40psi in the tyres or something?

14.2@106mph. with that MPH that's good for a high 12 sec pass, especially in a LS teg.

At least the mph backs up the dyno graph.

You are quiet right.


1st run 96mph and 2nd run 107 mph with no 4th gear

Car was not fully run in. Hopefully the new owner takes advantage and uses this car for the purpose it was built.

[EG5]

You are quiet right.
Car was not fully run in. Hopefully the new owner takes advantage and uses this car for the purpose it was built.

As far as I know Corey old DA6 PB was 13.1 sec with his b16a back in the days. Very quick b16a on da6 chasis
Nice to know Marc Scully have his own dyno @ Beyond Motorworks :)

[teh_mechanic]

Though this is stating the obvious,
Yonas's old set up was covered at length in this thread some time ago,
If you'd care to go back & read about it, it's all explained as to why the output was as it was.
Probably back as far as post 150 or 160.
thanks,i hadnt read any of this thread except last page, il check it out

[90LAN]

looks like a kiwi car???



Mates naturally aspirated Da6 Plot

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i15/TEC2NV/dyno_2.jpg


http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i15/TEC2NV/Dsc00759.jpg

SPECS:

1989 Honda Inetgra XSi
1600 dohc vtec
artic white
5 speed manual
sunroof
de-spoilered boot
mouldings colour coded

artic white
de-spoilered boot
mouldings colour coded
B16A2 block (brand new from Japan)
balanced bottom end
knife edged crank
balanced crank pulley, clutch kit and flywheel
TAS Block Guard
Custom resin filled lower girdle
spoon head gasket
B16a head
race port and polish
Skunk 2 Pro Series stage 2 cams
Skunk 2 Pro Series double valve springs
Skunk 2 Pro Series titanium retainers
Skunk 2 Pro Series cam gears
Skunk 2 Pro Series intake manifold
Skunk 2 Pro Series 70mm throttle body
Hytech 4-1 Race Headers
2.5" exhuast
YS1 cable lsd gearbox
AP Racing Twin Plate Clutch Kit ($2500)
Helical Type R LSD
Type R Final Drive
Custom Gear Ratios
msd ignition system
gizzmo chip
vafc 2
sard fuel regulator
prelude 290cc injectors
walbro fuel pump
autoguage revv/shift light
oil pressure, air/fuel ration and water temp guages
custom white face dials
K&N pod filter
rear upper and lower strut braces
stripped interior
motor sport approved fire extinguhser
tinted windows
polised rocker cover, caster arms, intake manifold
all bolts/nuts and brackets chrome dipped
d2 adjustable suspension
d2 rear adjustable camber arms
15" Rota slipstreams
gsd3 eagle f1 typres (street)
brembro slotted rear disks
hawk hp pads

Tuned to 134 KWS at the wheels

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i15/TEC2NV/finished3s.jpg

[EG5]

Beyond Motorworks ( Auckland NZ )

[BaNaNaMaN]

Was tuned at Beyond. The car doesn't belong to Mark.

Mark is selling his MAD EK turbo at the moment tho :)

[locote]

Nice MPH :)....
Lot of potential

[big tone]

well i seen waggy's car come into the dyno shop yesterday and well i can't accually believe it even made it.

stalled at high rev's, no v-tech, and would not idle properly to tell ou the truth i would be imbaressed if i was the previous tuner of waggy's car.
Now james has a very different way of tunning but at the end result the car idled, the high cams changed over no problems basically the car was very good (i'd be happy with the way it turned out) The dyno in other hands i do believe was out (as informed by the owner of the dyno shop) so the numbers on waggy's graph wont represent how good the car is now, But going of my run on the dyno and a run on another dyno same day

dyno X i made 88kw@ wheels (same dyno that waggy's car was tuned @)
dyno Y i made 113kw@ wheel (car was run same day within 1hour apart nothing on the car was changed and i even made sure the car was strapped the same and also the dyno was the same(model). the dyno also had previously had been serviced and calibrated earlier that week
the only thing that was different was the the power runs my car had done were all in third gear, when waggy's car was tuned in 4th and when they did do a power run it was (and i could be wrong) 91kw @ wheels

So i i'd say way waggy's car is good for around 116kw@ wheels
we had a quick run and his car pulled away from every time with eaze.
test n tune this friday so hopefully waggy can make it down there and put it on the strip

[fatboyz39]

Judging by your MPH the power output seems about right. Just have to wait and see down the strip aye?

[DNYALL]

I made 102.9kw atw a while back on pro-tech's dyno. just at a dyno day.

Engine: B16a (not b16a2 :p)

Mods:
cold air intake + K&N pod
5Zigen 4-2-1 headers
buddyclub pro spec III cat back
AC Delco hi flo cat
Exedy lightweight flywheel
Internals all stock
Stock ECU
No tune as such, just bolt on's for now.

Next year is when the focus turns to power...:D

Um i guess maybe to put it in perspective there was a stock corrolla sportivo there that put down 111kw atw which was the lowest reading of all the corrolla's. (there were a few)

[dida4g]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/dida4g/Rollingdida4gjanb.jpg

149@the wheels (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/dida4g/Rollingdida4gwhpB.jpg)

Engine. B16a1

Mods.
Pipercross panel filter.
ITR throttle.
ITR cams.
Supersprint header 2" collector.
Custom 2 1/4" exhaust.
Remapped OBD0 ecu.
(exhaust cam was retard 2 degrees, forgot to put it back to zero)


Wife's EF8
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/dida4g/Rollingtracy.jpg
B16a

Mods.
None, bone stock with CAT.

[locote]

155hp stock...
Freak motor heheh....

[bennjamin]

155hp is about 185 hp at the engine - cant see how a 19 year old engine is making more power thank it had stock lol.
Unless a HUB dyno ? or in shoot out mode ?

[dsp26]

155hp is about 185 hp at the engine - cant see how a 19 year old engine is making more power thank it had stock lol.
Unless a HUB dyno ? or in shoot out mode ?

yeah agreed... he's from UK though... same dyno readouts as USA methinks.

[bennjamin]

correcto. Its all in the dyno......

[dida4g]

The graph from my Civic VT b16a1 is,
180 @the flywheel
149 @ the wheels.

The other graph is from my wifes EF8, bone stock.
155 @the flywheel.
129 @ the wheels (IIRC)

I only recognise DD RR figures.

[locote]

Whats DD RR figures???
What u run at the track dude

[dida4g]

Whats DD RR figures???
What u run at the track dude

Dyno dynamics RR.
My best in the Civic is a 14.53 @94mph, no lsd on street tyres, I weigh 238lbs.

[dudeling7]

thats a nice time there.

ever thoguht about changing the collector of your header and getting a slightly bigger exhasut? that may help u a little more aswell :)

[czy_sol87]

was at calder last nite and best run i could do on shit tyres with no tread was a 15.3
will post up time slip later 2nite

[locote]

15.3 whats was ur term speed..
post up your slip...
i got like 12kw less than u atw but my times are in the low 14s....
with 2.3s 2.4s 60fts..
Im using near illegal 185/60/14s. stoxk suspencion so when i launch my rear squats and i have no weight on the front...
My car is hard to launch, i have less power than you, but im still 1 sec faster...
Are you sure there isnt a peice of wood under ur accelerator???

[czy_sol87]

u forget my car weights like 1200+ with everything in it
and its only 1.6l dont have the torque up top
anyways i'll post up the time slip when i get home

[locote]

man u gotta put ur car on a diet hahah...
How u get ur car so heavy??
factory kerb weight is 1115kg...
weighs nearly as much as my vp commo...

[czy_sol87]

"factory weight" is just the car with no fuilds, petrol, me etc etc in it
i've got little extras like sound system, etc

[locote]

im pretty sure kerb weight is the car with full weight. with everything minus passangers...

Anyways if unsure theres weight depots that will give u a weight of your car...
I always thought my car weighed 1070kg before i took it to a weight station and found out it weighed alot less...

[SPEEDCORE]

Ok might as well post a graph since I started this thread back in the day....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/SPEEDCORE/DSC00908.jpg

Got retuned last Sat by Dyno Dave... power is alot smoother and the overall partial throttle driving experience is awesome.

The clean up of the X-over point is what made me V happy. Previously it was a pain to keep the car on the boil since Xover was @ 5900 or there abouts...... might have been a different story on how the car drove if I had a 4.7 FD.

Now with the fattened up midrange its dropping me right back in the meat of the midrange when upshifting, so alot easier to drive briskly. From 7000 to fuel cut.... well it speaks for itself.

I'll try to get down the 1/4 once I get the rear mount inserts done....

[tinkerbell]

v.nice :)

[DEMON83]

Had my EM1 dynoed last weekend in QLD at Elite Automotive dyno day (Dyno Dynamics) at archafeild and got 100.9kw or 135.5hp to the front wheel

mods = Short ram intake with generic pod fillter, Magnaflow metal cat and 2.25 CAT back done by Right Price exhausts in Moss st Underwood QLD

all other engine bits are stock. Car running on Toyo T1R's and stock 15" rims 195/55 r15 Just got 2 T1R's in 205/50 R15 profile put on the front.

will be getting 5zeigen headers 4-2-1, will be interested to see the power gain...????

[czy_sol87]

these are my 2 best time slips for the nite
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c276/czy_sol87/SCAN0012.jpg

[Benson]

get your 60ft down to a 2.1 or 2.2 and you should get close to a 14sec pass.

Hmmm Your power figure doesnt really reflect the MPH?? i would assume you should get around 94-97MPH with 108kws

[locote]

89mph...
Same as my GSi teg 110whp....
ran same times with similar 60ft...

[vti_ek9]

98 EK-4
~CTR/ITR cams
~HKS adjus. cam gears
~Mugen 4-1
~2 1/4" catback?
~vafc2 tuned
~Mugen intake

107kw @ wheels

I was told this by the previous owner..

[blabla]

Before Tune at Toda.
98.2kw atw
96 ej8 b16a2 coupe
stock internals
plazmaman cai with k&n pod filter
crome ecu (UN TUNED)
type r clutch & flywheel
x-force 4-2-1
2.25 inch exhaust madrel bend double braided flex
& hi flow glass cat

[kayot1k]

untuned ? like ur running base map ? LOL

[Benson]

That was one of our tuner (DD) slightly modified map for the B16a. I guess the result speaks for itself. Good results, congrats

[TODA AU]

That was one of our tuner (DD) slightly modified map for the B16a. I guess the result speaks for itself. Good results, congrats
Considering the same or better power would be achived a dead stock ECU...
Yes the result really does speak for itself.

[fatboyz39]

Considering the same or better power would be achived a dead stock ECU...
Yes the result really does speak for itself.

how come you didn't do back to back testing to justify your statement?

[kayot1k]

just curious, why would adrian have to justify his statement ?
blabla's power output is nothing to be impressed about. Plenty of b16a's with stock ecu's with same mods more or less are putting out as much if not more than his figures. all you have to do is look back at the previous pages and you'll see the large amounts of ridiculous dyno figures. plus bla bla has a slightly modified map, suggesting it isnt stock/base map.

p.s i think his experience with hondas and tuning speak for itself.

[blabla]

i had a feeling it is not very good result. :(

[blabla]

A friend of mine said that i should try and run b16b mapping would this work?

[ALLMTR996]

A friend of mine said that i should try and run b16b mapping would this work?

Why not just pay to get it tuned correctly?,as you know its a BASE MAP to make the car drive not a map to drive around on forever and get it dynoed and then get everyone to make comments when the output is ok/not perfect. AFR's are way off to suit your setup for good results.
ALLMTR996

[kayot1k]

Why not just pay to get it tuned correctly?,as you know its a BASE MAP to make the car drive not a map to drive around on forever and get it dynoed and then get everyone to make comments when the output is ok/not perfect. AFR's are way off to suit your setup for good results.
ALLMTR996

^^:thumbsup:, blabla your friend obviously doesnt know what he is talking about. bad advise. Besides power means squat.

This thread has been a pissing contest from day one.

[dsp26]

TRUE!!! so everyone should go to the TODA dyno day so it's an even playing field.. same dyno same day if people wanna compare...


^^:thumbsup:, blabla your friend obviously doesnt know what he is talking about. bad advise. Besides power means squat.

This thread has been a pissing contest from day one.

[SPEEDCORE]

This thread has been a pissing contest from day one.

Geee thanks.... my intentions from "day one" as you say where basically to see what gains others where getting, and even expressed that comparisions between dynos here in Aus were to be ignored.

[ek4-guy]

lol look at all the experts

[dsp26]

don't worry mate don't think anyones having a go at you... deep down inside everyones curious about their pride and joy...

admittedly before getting my Honda, I spent countless late night hours looking for such threads to get an idea of potential... to see what mods do what to power and A/F... but thats only if people actually posted dyno sheets...

regardless how variable the oh so chased peak power is, the general powerbands look the same/similar with similar setups....



Geee thanks.... my intentions from "day one" as you say where basically to see what gains others where getting, and even expressed that comparisions between dynos here in Aus were to be ignored.

[fatboyz39]

is the toda day still happening?

[TODA AU]

is the toda day still happening?

So far, yes it is. (Most likley on 30th March)
We need to get confirmed numbers to make the day worth while.
We'll be doing the header test in any case.

Dyno day thread is here:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1559823#post1559823

[redinteg]

Car: 94 CRX
Engine: B16A2
Mods: Cai with K/N pod, TODA Spec B cams, TODA valvesprings, crappy 4-1 headers, 2.5" custom exhaust with high flow cat, Tuned with EManage
Kw@ wheels: 110Kw
Dyno Type: Dyno Dynamics

Before people ask i wasn't given a dyno sheet but saw it on the screen, so up to you if you think its BS

[dsp26]

Car: 94 CRX
Engine: B16A2
Mods: Cai with K/N pod, TODA Spec B cams, TODA valvesprings, crappy 4-1 headers, 2.5" custom exhaust with high flow cat, Tuned with EManage
Kw@ wheels: 110Kw
Dyno Type: Dyno Dynamics

Before people ask i wasn't given a dyno sheet but saw it on the screen, so up to you if you think its BS

nice.. i hope you come to the Toda dyno day to see the header shootout... maybe something will tickle your fancy to compliment the rest of the setup to replace said crappy 4-1s:thumbsup:

[redinteg]

whould love too mate but i'm down in Victoria, hope someone does a bit of a write up on it ;)

[Benson]

Car: EG civic
Engine: B16a
Mods: ITR cams, CTR style pistons, Crappy Ebay 4-1 headers, 2.5 inch exhaust, ECu +tune
Power: 113kw @ Bel Garage Mainland Dyno

[czy_sol87]

Car: 94 CRX
Engine: B16A2
Mods: Cai with K/N pod, TODA Spec B cams, TODA valvesprings, crappy 4-1 headers, 2.5" custom exhaust with high flow cat, Tuned with EManage
Kw@ wheels: 110Kw
Dyno Type: Dyno Dynamics

Before people ask i wasn't given a dyno sheet but saw it on the screen, so up to you if you think its BS

hummm...interesting
with the mods u got now should pull bout 120kw@fw imo
mine makes 108kw@fw without the cams and valvesprings...

[Drew]

Depends on how well the Dyno is calibrated and the weather etc etc etc

[redinteg]

hummm...interesting
with the mods u got now should pull bout 120kw@fw imo
mine makes 108kw@fw without the cams and valvesprings...

Yes, i was hoping for more but put it down to the dyno and a warm day,
but also suspect the tune wasnt very good....Vtec point set at 7k!? Whats the point of having 2 cam profiles if you only use one for 1krpm.
I realy need to make the mission to Melbourne and get somone who realy knows honda's to tune it.

[ZeForce]

I think you have over cammed your engine, Toda B cams are too big for stock B16a

[Limbo]

too many variables, you can only really compare them on the same dyno,
and to be consistent run one after the other.

[Limbo]

yeah i think a retune is in order.
7k vtec is abit too high. Most people have earlier vtec point rather than ones that late.
Just rem that the first profile on nearly all aftermarket cams are the same as stock.
Your holding onto a stock profile about 2k past its due efficiency.


Yes, i was hoping for more but put it down to the dyno and a warm day,
but also suspect the tune wasnt very good....Vtec point set at 7k!? Whats the point of having 2 cam profiles if you only use one for 1krpm.
I realy need to make the mission to Melbourne and get somone who realy knows honda's to tune it.

[ZeForce]

yeah i think a retune is in order.
7k vtec is abit too high. Most people have earlier vtec point rather than ones that late.
Just rem that the first profile on nearly all aftermarket cams are the same as stock.
Your holding onto a stock profile about 2k past its due efficiency.

AFAIK Toda B cams use a rather large idle cam profiles. Also with stock compression its not surprising that the idle cam is making more power than the VTEC cam at such a high rpm since the dynamic compression with the larger spec cam profile would be very low.

[Limbo]

i thought it was only spec C that had a different first profile?

[ZeForce]

i thought it was only spec C that had a different first profile?

Im pretty sure both spec B and C use same idle profile, perhaps Toda_AU could clarify

[todaek9]

Just find someone knows how to phase your cam...
Spec B for stock engine? you'll be happy not to lose any power...

[redinteg]

sounds like i need some cam gears and CTR slugs, or whould just a thinner head gasket raise the compression enough?
My mechanic seems to think someone has shaved a bit off the head in an attempt to raise compession also, and that whould explain the date engraved on the head, thats has been a mystery to me since i bought the car.

[dsp26]

yeah you gyus are right... according to Adrian/Toda_Au TODA Bs have modified low cam profiles too so the vtec shouldn't be set that high even though it apparently makes power upto 9krpm... even then you'd want your engine to be able to rev that high... it's generally safe to do so if you have the springs too...

[dsp26]

your mechanic should have done a cylinder compression check prior to switching the cams.. if it was still the stock 10.4:1 CR and stock valvetrain cylinder compression should be around 220psi each... afaik the ITR B18c7s are around 240psi per cylinder for 11:1 CR with the ITR cams.

Can't do this test anymore with upgraded cams because the dynamic CR would have changed as a result of the cam profile overlaps.


sounds like i need some cam gears and CTR slugs, or whould just a thinner head gasket raise the compression enough?
My mechanic seems to think someone has shaved a bit off the head in an attempt to raise compession also, and that whould explain the date engraved on the head, thats has been a mystery to me since i bought the car.

[ek4-guy]

ok yesterday i went to a dyno comp at mazfix i ended up quite confused now i know many might think my previous pull of 108.9kw untuned is a bit high.

Many may think this proves it but yesterday my car only pulled 124.2hp or 92kw that is a 17kw drop.

The only difference i made was to take the filter off my injen intake and mount a bellmouth in my bumper

I'm basically putting this down to Different dyno, shouldn't have taken the dyno proven filter off, the car now has 220,000kms and the last and worste my mrs thrashes it when cold.

looks like its time for a new engine or a rebuild but in the mean time can anyone confirm my reason for the loss or add anything interesting

[JasonGilholme]

i think your on the right track about different dynos.

and your mrs isn't helping either lol. (thats why hannah never drivers my car lol)

New engine ftw!!!

[redinteg]

ok yesterday i went to a dyno comp at mazfix i ended up quite confused now i know many might think my previous pull of 108.9kw untuned is a bit high.

Many may think this proves it but yesterday my car only pulled 124.2hp or 92kw that is a 17kw drop.

The only difference i made was to take the filter off my injen intake and mount a bellmouth in my bumper

I'm basically putting this down to Different dyno, shouldn't have taken the dyno proven filter off, the car now has 220,000kms and the last and worste my mrs thrashes it when cold.

looks like its time for a new engine or a rebuild but in the mean time can anyone confirm my reason for the loss or add anything interesting

Different dyno, weather, changing the filter and your car may have been dynoed in say 3rd for your 108kw run and 4th in your latest.

[ek4-guy]

could it have anything to do with that they didn't pump the tyres to 40psi like last time.

lol i just went and checked because i didn't see them pump any tyres all day and even thoe the dyno printout said that my tyres had 40psi they are at 30 psi today

[turtleEK1]

I'd defenently put it down to different dynos.

Dynos are not all universal as far as power output goes. They're more of a tool for tuning.

Could also be different atmos temps, pressure, humidity etc. Could be other little variables that could add to the different figure?

Have you noticed any loss of power over time? Maintain the motor frequently?

[ek4-guy]

both runs where in 3rd gear

i have noticed its down on power of late but dint think it was that much

as for maintaining it ive been pretty bad of late because i know a new configeration will be comming soon


just check one left front was 30psi and right is at 26psi i dont think this would have effected anything to much but speaks loads about the dyno guys

[dsp26]

ok yesterday i went to a dyno comp at mazfix i ended up quite confused now i know many might think my previous pull of 108.9kw untuned is a bit high.

Many may think this proves it but yesterday my car only pulled 124.2hp or 92kw that is a 17kw drop.

The only difference i made was to take the filter off my injen intake and mount a bellmouth in my bumper

I'm basically putting this down to Different dyno, shouldn't have taken the dyno proven filter off, the car now has 220,000kms and the last and worste my mrs thrashes it when cold.

looks like its time for a new engine or a rebuild but in the mean time can anyone confirm my reason for the loss or add anything interesting

yeah but it maybe correct.... does it feel like it's lost power... on an NA you will definately feel 17wkw loss/gain

[ek4-guy]

it does feel like it lost but not 17kw that puts it back to nearly stock, i think in my haste to get a lil extra by taking the filter off i crueled myself


Archie from Mazfix was saying sometimes its better not to take the filter off and when i told him it was a injen cai his response "oh see there you go"

[JasonGilholme]

the dyno runs should have been done in 4th gear.

If the run was done in 3rd there would have needed to be a conversion done on your result to get it to read correctly. If the converson was incorrect then the reading would be off.

r

[ek4-guy]

it's got on the sheet gear was 3rd i think all the runs were in 3rd

what gear did Mercury run them in?

lol ive lost the Mercury 108.9kw print out just like the power

[SLOWEGG]

Mercury Dyno Day, they used 4th gear.

[JasonGilholme]

it was done in 4th.

Don't know why these other guys did it in 3rd. Although 3rd would have returned a higher reading which is what makes me think theres a mistake in their calculations or their dyno is rooted.

[Limbo]

most likely the Mercury was done in 4th gear that might explain you 17kw loss.

And yes they should be doing it in 4th gear as that is what the general standard is.

In relation to low tyre pressure, as the car gets hotter the tyre pressure will go up and give better readings.
Was it only 1 run?

[ek4-guy]

was 3 quick runs

[dsp26]

most likely the Mercury was done in 4th gear that might explain you 17kw loss.


nah it wouldn't... the 3rd gear pull would be like ~3wkw more assuming all things equal...

[Limbo]

my corolla did 97kw in 4th and 108kw in 3rd gear, it makes quite abit of difference. This was on the same dyno

[dsp26]

my corolla did 97kw in 4th and 108kw in 3rd gear, it makes quite abit of difference. This was on the same dyno

yeah i was agreeing with you... but his higher 108wkw reading was done on 4th gear at Mercury and his lower 92wkw reading on 3rd gear at the other place was erading lower...

[fatboyz39]

we tried the 3rd and 4th gear on the dyno, difference from memory is about 2-5kw atw.

[Limbo]

yeah i was agreeing with you... but his higher 108wkw reading was done on 4th gear at Mercury and his lower 92wkw reading on 3rd gear at the other place was erading lower...


sorry my bad, yeah his is kinda werid. Don't think a filter will make that much difference

[mrwillz]

yeah i was agreeing with you... but his higher 108wkw reading was done on 4th gear at Mercury and his lower 92wkw reading on 3rd gear at the other place was erading lower...

lower the gear, lower reading?

[dsp26]

lower the gear, lower reading?

nah lower gear higher reading... but as fatboy said it's only 2-5wkw difference due to minor ratio difference depending on car/gearbox...

But this whole gearing thing was one of the things being investigated a long time ago regarding power differences between USA & Aussie dynos... we thought it was because they always dyno 3rd gear... turns out their drivetrain loss is only calculated at around ~15% for fwd whereas we have ours calculated in the vicinity of ~20-25%... but anyway offtopic... :angel:



sorry my bad, yeah his is kinda werid. Don't think a filter will make that much difference
maybe... i noticed a huge response difference between a metal mesh pod (like blitz) vs a foam pod (obx) that i had which all FELT zippier on a cai versus an inverted gauze k&n extreme.

Surprisingly air related mods (inc. valvetrain) affects the B-Series drastically in comparison to 4age/sr20.. this would also explain why Honda's are the only ones with a multitude of intake designs like the whale penis, etc....

But yeah not a 17wkw difference... unless he does the dyno at Mercury again we won't really know for sure as it could be that Mercury's was naturally reading high (or vice versa)... his 92wkw at the other dyno would possibly translate to 102wkw at Mercury again at a ~6wkw loss which would support the intake change idea... he also stated above that theres only a noticable power difference and definitely not 17wkw...

Most of us here who drive NA's will know that 17wkw is a huge noticable difference... you would all also agree that even putting an intake on will be noticed by our @rses and their worth anything from 2-8wkw depending on other supporting mods...

[ek4-guy]

oh well new dyno comp on the 30th at different dyno if i can get a spot it will be interesting. This time will be with the filter

i'll keep yous posted and after that might be back off to mercury motorsport and test it their with both filter and no filter

bloody dyno comps what shits me is that i cut a hole in my bumper and mounted a bell mouth in it to feed the intake and it done nothing. oh well at least it looks good imo

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u156/ek4-guy/alexhillsstudents.jpg

[kraiye]

oh well new dyno comp on the 30th at different dyno if i can get a spot it will be interesting. This time will be with the filter

ey bro, got a link?

[Nepolian]

Here!

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86103

[ek4-guy]

nah man im in brissy

the one i was looking at going to was on Cruising Brisbane forums

[JasonGilholme]

Hey darryl, that bell mouth sits well in the bumper.

Looks the goods man! :thumsbup:

[luzinit]

Did 96.5kw today at TODA, which is what I was expecting.
Mods are plazmaman CAI, RSR 421 header, custom b pipe and spoon street muffler. Relative to other cars on the day, a stock looking DC5R did 110kw, stock B18CRs were doing 98-105kw. The mods probably added about 7kw atw judging from my last base line runs and comparing other stock cars on both days.

Just wanted to run my car see that my motor is still healthy, next up is a run at WSID to see how my mods have helped the car down the 1/4.

Tony

[dsp26]

Car: 93 CRX
Engine: B16A2
Fuel: 93oct Mobil E10
Mods: eBay 2.5in collector 4-1 header, 2.5in catback, DC2r 2.25in muffler, stock airbox minus reso, crane cams lx91 coil, iridium plugs gapped at ~1.7mm
Tune: Spoon Chip (Rom dump)
Kw@ wheels: 93.3
Dyno Type: Dyno Dynamics (Toda Dyno Day 30/03/08)

[bizee_1]

Did 96.5kw today at TODA, which is what I was expecting.
Mods are plazmaman CAI, RSR 421 header, custom b pipe and spoon street muffler. Relative to other cars on the day, a stock looking DC5R did 110kw, stock B18CRs were doing 98-105kw. The mods probably added about 7kw atw judging from my last base line runs and comparing other stock cars on both days.

Just wanted to run my car see that my motor is still healthy, next up is a run at WSID to see how my mods have helped the car down the 1/4.

Tony

Tony, ur b16a puts out quite well, considering i ran the same numbers as you. i've got i/h/e too, plus ecu....
:thumbsup:

[teh_mechanic]

Finally got mine tuned at APC,aparently it was running super rich and made a 89kw on its installation run.so i got a pretty huge increase,very happy with how it runs now,we didnt tune for a high kw number but rather for a powerful midrange,feels beautiful now
Car: EG
Engine: B16A2
Fuel: 98oct BP Ultimate
Mods: JDM b16a stock bottom end
-pr3 b16a head
-ctr cams , ctr valve springs , 3 angle valve job
-type R intake manifold and throttle body
-ctr gearbox (short ratios,lsd)
-toda 3 puck clutch kit
-cusco 3.9 kg flywheel
-hondata s100 now tuned by apc ($800 ouch ouch ouch,too pricey imo but they were the only ppl available with s100 software))
-2.5 catback mandrel bend
-5zigen header
-NGK iridium plugs

Kw@ wheels: 108.2
Dyno Type: Dyno Dynamics APC

il get the graph up when i get to a scanner.

For a guide as to how the car feels now with that power increase-before when 5 ppl were in the car it felt like an excel,i had 5 ppl in on the wkend and it pulls like it did with just me in there b4.when its just me in there now,i have a not so good chance of keeping my licence,got pulled over by the d's the 1st night i went out in it hahaha

[jspec civic]

Car: EG sedan
Engine: B16b
Fuel: 98oct BP Ultimate
Mods: greddy e-manage blue
stock b16b headers
stock eg8 catback
ngk spark plugs
jdm pod

hp@ wheels: 131hp (97.7kW)
Dyno Type: Dyno Dynamics HRP

[dsp26]

For a guide as to how the car feels now with that power increase-before when 5 ppl were in the car it felt like an excel,i had 5 ppl in on the wkend and it pulls like it did with just me in there b4.when its just me in there now,i have a not so good chance of keeping my licence,got pulled over by the d's the 1st night i went out in it hahaha

Nice!!! please post the graphs when you can... that is what I am after now i've seen my peaky graph.

Do you have a dyno sheet from when it was getting tuned (NOT shootout mode and it has the Torque instead of AFR)?

Bit in terms of the lower end drivability.. it's coz of your GB isn't it?

[luzinit]

Tony, ur b16a puts out quite well, considering i ran the same numbers as you. i've got i/h/e too, plus ecu....
:thumbsup:

Thanks man :thumbsup: What I/H/E do you have? (if you don't mind me asking), and do you remember what you made few years back at the Mr Druitt Dyno? I did 74.5kw on that day with a stock motor (just wanna get an idea of what gains my bolt on mods did)

Cheers!