K20A civic VS EVO 8

[baboo]

http://www.hybrid-racing.com/images/gallery/videos/Shorty1.1.wmv


Civic boys should be happy with the result :wave:

[i_own_you]

nowayyyyy!! hahahaha

that musta been a tweeked k20.. ahhahahaha

but hella good run!

[[[d a n n y]]]

Man That civic RIPS

[JINRAI]

no way thats a stock K20A with stock ECU...nice video tho! =)

[EKVTIR-T]

hey i saw you in blackburn other day Jinrai.remember silver ek?

[A'PEXi]

ummm evo runs 22psi? is the engine stock?.... and is he even trying to race? lol.....

[EG5]

stock k20 with stock ecu can do some high 12 sec easily
search at honda-tech ..

[Weq]

in a stripped EF?? ha!

edit:

ok well it was an EG, but still, type-rs are prolly only 100kg's heavier.. whats the deal? it wasnt on happy gas, and it wasnt turbo.. sounded mean hi revvs though, not much of an exhaust too... yum

[SiR JDM]

thats a sexy EG! some people have too much money *jelious* :(

[2ds]

i don't think that evo is properly tuned.

-2ds

[DCLXVI]

maybe the result isnt even real...

[Civic Type R]

When i was in New Jersey 3 weeks ago (west New York) i attended the WRX vs Evo drag festival. Over 100 evos and 100 WRX and some local hondas were also competing.
Ive also got some on video too... but.
From what i saw there is NO chance of a STOCK K20 ever holding up with one of these. The EVO's pulled 12s consistantly and some in the high 11s. Whatever the guy in the civic is running - good on him because he would have to had done a truckload of mods / turbo or had something else.

[JINRAI]

hey i saw you in blackburn other day Jinrai.remember silver ek?

How did you know it was me? hehe

[bennjamin]

i really doubt the evo 8 was running 22psi ( thats close to twice stock boost , no ?)...regardless of the EG's k20a mods - NA wise it really wouldnt pull on a "22psi evo 8" ...

but...who knows ?!? we are all armchair critics so really...anything is posisble. The EG looks to be a race-only project...no rego for one thing so maybe something special.

[A'PEXi]

exactly, i dont see how a stock evo is going to run 22psi :P

[Weq]

stock evo's 5's run 18psi of boost.

[Phantasm]

I really dont think that evo was trying, it didnt seem to squat and launch at all. I think the civic was probly registered, they probly just removed the plates so they could video without editting and stuff.
Id love that civic tho.

[i_own_you]

vtec noise drowning out all the sound....... !!1

[z3lda]

it never said anything about the evo runing stock. watch it closely. "Hybrid Racing k20 swap, stock internals, stock ecu vs 2003 evo 8 at 22psi"

[EG5]

in a stripped EF?? ha!

edit:

ok well it was an EG, but still, type-rs are prolly only 100kg's heavier.. whats the deal? it wasnt on happy gas, and it wasnt turbo.. sounded mean hi revvs though, not much of an exhaust too... yum

on an EG hatch there is a guy in NZ did 12.4 sec 1/4 mile already.
he got k20 set up ( stock internal) , i/h/e , act clutch and hondata + slicks.
he made around 140kw ish@wheel and the car weight like low 900kg without driver..

[EG5]

here is the links of the k20 eg im talkin about :
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=836650
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=899297
http://profiles.nzhondas.com/profile1356.html

[Kit]

I dont see how you guys say it cant be done (that is, the civic being faster than the Evo 8)

the K20A is a good engine, put that in a lightweight EG chassis and it IS fast.
(EG5, I know what your thinking!) :)

from the look of it, that EVO8 has the stock intercooler...
now I know all you guys out there think just cos its running high boost it must be making shitloads of power...
but that EVO could have been stock with just the boost turned up... just turning up the boost on a stock car doesnt always have good results...

anyway we're just speculating.. but I know a mildly worked B18C in an EG chassis is already damn quick... a K20A powered EG is a bullet.

[Weq]

a stock dc5r runs 1160kg + driver. a normal EG is around 100kg less.. how does weight account for time in this respect? 100kg = 1sec? im sure somone has tested it

[carbine]

hybrid racing make mounts,axles and harnesses for k series swaps into eg/ek's/dc2's. So its in their comercial interest to make k20 in an eg seem very frikken fast.

[EG5]

a stock dc5r runs 1160kg + driver. a normal EG is around 100kg less.. how does weight account for time in this respect? 100kg = 1sec? im sure somone has tested it

weight play a big part on 0-60 foot time and 1/8 mile time.
good power to weight ratio + good traction : good 1/4 mile time.

anyway enough talk from me .
the 1/4 mile timeslip from tonite will tell everything.

[Kit]

weight play a big part on 0-60 foot time and 1/8 mile time.
good power to weight ratio + good traction : good 1/4 mile time.

anyway enough talk from me .
the 1/4 mile timeslip from tonite will tell everything.

yeah good stuff man. :D

but even with the time sheet there will still be comments that an EVO 8 @ 22psi will be really really fast

enough of the armchair critics i say..

[A'PEXi]

ok if you download this video -
http://www.hybrid-racing.com/images/gallery/videos/Todd%20Reid.wmv

it will say that the civic has a "Type S" motor, which in this case, is not your JDM K20a, therefore is rated at 200hp (which equates to 149.14kw)....


K20a2-Acura Rsx Type S has 11.0:1 compression and 2 liters of displacement. The Type S is rated at 200hp at 7,400 and 142 lb-ft at 6,000 rpm. This motor also comes with a 6 speed transmission with no LSD. It has the same VTEC mechanism as the older B series motors but with the addition of VTC.

also if you look at the eg, there isnt that much weight reduction done, has dc2r recaros, and the rear/dash/plastic mouldings etc are still all in place.... sure the chassis is probarbly 100kg lighter like someone has mentioned, but is that going to make a HUGE difference?.... note he has a passenger as well....

now if you have a look at this link, with the eg that did a 12.43
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=899297


Well here you go this is my EG with a JDM K20A using Factory DC2R driveshafts with K20A inner CV's and a LINK PLUS engine Management..
So far it has run 12.43 @ 110mph and has a fastest trap speed of 112mph.
The car was still running the full factory body work, with a stripped interior, 8 point cage, and lexan windows. It has since had a new Diff, custom rear axle conversion etc done but no pics are available at the moment of that as we are still waiting on a couple of parts before its completed

firstly it has a jdm k20a +20hp, also has a fully stripped interior, slicks, no passenger, etc. significant difference to the one in the video.

now - a standard evo 8 is rated at 276hp or 205.81kw, note, thats standard, should be close to the 300hp mark on 22psi yeh? also awd, with Yokohama high-grip tires, should get you on the launch/take off :P... the evo does the quarter mile in 13.1 sec @ 105.1 mph, which again, im assuming should be quicker with more boost, a aus spec dc5r does something like a very high 14/flat 15 stock....

now either way, i'm not trying to argue which car is faster or which car is or isn't capable of beating one another, the only thing im trying to point out here is that i don't believe the civic in this particular video, should be pulling on that evo8 in such a manner, i think its slightly exagerrated and that the evo8 and civic should be a closer matchup.

[bennjamin]

to add....

slicks plays much a role in that and any 1/4 car - that 12.4 woudl of been probably a low/flat 13 on street tyres.

STILL a decent effort ;)

[Kit]

Apexi,

dude, I know ur saying that u can't comment on which car is faster.

but which EVO8 doesnt the US get? is it the Euro spec that we get here in AU? cos from memory that one only has about 180kw of power.

also, what everyone fails to remember is that in terms of acceleration, 4wd is only an advantage at launch.. in gear acceleration, a 4wd mechanism actually has alot of drive train losses associated with it and WILL be slower than a 2wd setup in teh same configuration. that vid was all in gear acceleration.

remember that other vid not that long ago where a b18c powered ED civic blitzed an EVO8 from a standing start (the EVO didnt launch though)

i remember seeing a drag where a b18c powered EG beat a f355... but yeah i must admit the civic got a good launch and the ferarri stuffed up the launch, and by the end of the run the civic was only just in front...any further and the ferarri would have sailed past...

and one thing that everyone forgets is that the biggest variable in drag racing is the driver!

we can't comment on what "should" be the result cos we dont know the mods to the cars in that vid... but from the front the evo definately has the standard cooler.

so at the end of it all, all i'm saying is: everyone should just watch it for the entertainment value rather than rubbishing it saying its a load of crock.

[MrPlow]

whats the size of this video?

been downloading for awhile and its still going...

[Phantasm]

Are there any k20a ek4s floating around anywhere?
Do they adapt as well to the engine swap as the egs....?

[A'PEXi]

remember that other vid not that long ago where a b18c powered ED civic blitzed an EVO8 from a standing start (the EVO didnt launch though)

hmm never seen it :D got a link mate?

[Surrufus]

anyone here reckon its a bad thing that k series swap?
tempted to give it a go myself just for a laugh opinions?

[civicboy]

no way..k series arent bad @ all :) hehehe - im thinkin bout k20a swap in2 my eg hehe but we'll c, im still thinkin bout B18C though ;)

btw: gr8 run with the evo + clean eg :D :thumbsup:
& was the K20A a jdm one?????????? or K20A usdm????????

[rocky_b]

dat was nutzz!! haha

[onabuzz]

aii whats a k20 out of? damn i want one of these n/a conversions... whats something else hektic that will rip fit into a ek.. approx priicing as well.. cheers

[civicboy]

aii whats a k20 out of? damn i want one of these n/a conversions... whats something else hektic that will rip fit into a ek.. approx priicing as well.. cheersthat k20avtec u saw on da clip is outta the 02-04 integra type r dood - price will be ranging from 10k-25k(roughly), engine + all the parts & labour.

[MRJDM]

15-17k for a worked k20a2 from Good Performance, with brake upgrade and engineered. call to make sure about the price.

[cda96]

farrrr.... big bux!!! is it worth it??
i dun think they were actually racing on that vid.. didnt look like a race

[wil]

omg watta civic... drools!!!

[Brescia]

lol...i originally posted this in another forum

They werent racing, and i can prove it
if you look closely at around, 47 seconds through to 52 seconds of the clip
the guy in the evo actually winds his window up...while 'racing' ;)

civic sounds mean though...

[LatinoHatchCrap]

nice EG

[onabuzz]

ahh that civ is sex!! give meeeeeeeeeeeee

[SiR JDM]

lol...i originally posted this in another forum

They werent racing, and i can prove it
if you look closely at around, 47 seconds through to 52 seconds of the clip
the guy in the evo actually winds his window up...while 'racing' ;)

civic sounds mean though...
The passanger puts his window up... in America, they drive on the left hand side...