D16Y1 into EG Hatch Breeze - How much ?

[tiksie]

Just wondering how much a D16Y1 would set me back dropped into a EG Hatch Breeze, I understand that it's a tad more money going to EFi from Carby, but what would a rough estimate in price be ? I've seen D16Y1 motors go for as cheap as $300 in good condition!

Cheers

[mocchi]

whats y1 tiksie?
im interested in this as well. doing exactly the same. you doing it yourself tiksie?

[90LAN]

sell your breeze for 3-4 k then u can get a vti eg 5-6k
so conversion will cost u 1-2k u get extras on top
rear dics brakes sun roof electrics etc etc

[dahon]

yeh 90lans right
dont bother with the conversion.. itll cost like half your car... just get an eg5 vti
same engine more extras like sunroof & rear discs blah blah

[tiksie]

sell your breeze for 3-4 k then u can get a vti eg 5-6k
so conversion will cost u 1-2k u get extras on top
rear dics brakes sun roof electrics etc etc

VTi's cost an arm and a leg.

I just sold my VTi lol, now I got the breeze..It's a good healty motor in it and what not, but it's just WAY too slow for my liking..Not for being a boyracer but general driving.

I'm sure I can score a healty D16Y1 installed for <$1500

Just wanting other peoples advice first.

And I can't afford to sell this car and look for another car..I don't have the time.

[tiksie]

whats y1 tiksie?
im interested in this as well. doing exactly the same. you doing it yourself tiksie?

Aus spec SOHC VTEC found in Aus delivered EG5's.

[I heart the SSS]

ignore this...

[90LAN]

VTi's cost an arm and a leg.

I just sold my VTi lol, now I got the breeze..It's a good healty motor in it and what not, but it's just WAY too slow for my liking..Not for being a boyracer but general driving.

I'm sure I can score a healty D16Y1 installed for <$1500

Just wanting other peoples advice first.

And I can't afford to sell this car and look for another car..I don't have the time.

but u have time to do the conversion and find the parts ? go figure

[tiksie]

but u have time to do the conversion and find the parts ? go figure

I've heard conversions take a weekend ? Lol, I'd rather that then wait to sell my car, then wait for a car to pop up and be carless in that time frame.

And no, I am not planning on doing it myself, just a general question as I have seen people offer motors and offer labour for $500> into EFi's and $800 into Carbys.

Cheers

EDIT: I have seen those offers on OzHonda ofcourse.

[mocchi]

wreckers for all parts, and mechanic next stop. the thing is how long does it take at the mechanic.

[90LAN]

I've heard conversions take a weekend ? Lol, I'd rather that then wait to sell my car, then wait for a car to pop up and be carless in that time frame.

And no, I am not planning on doing it myself, just a general question as I have seen people offer motors and offer labour for $500> into EFi's and $800 into Carbys.

Cheers

EDIT: I have seen those offers on OzHonda ofcourse.

u need fuel tank/pump, fuel lines, complete wiring loom,
u will need to get it engineer with rear disc etc etc
u must be very patient and have plenty of money to spend
not to mention taking the dash off to fit loom too thats the fun part
and not to mention trying to get it to work
plus what u think a mechanic is going to charge u to do this ?

[hisoka]

as lan said you get many extras on top. you get sway bars. electric windows, electric sunroof . tacho ? lol. and they go for about 5 grand if u look hard enough. even for a lightly modified one.

breeze u need fuel tank aswell. and u need to get rear disc brakes. vti already got it.

[mocchi]

why need rear disc brakes? cos its vti engine is it?

[hisoka]

yer. you need to have same brakes, or better i think it is.

like you know how people put integra R engine in it. they should change brakes aswell to get engineers certificate

[munkaii]

Being someone whos out there looking for a vti its pretty hard to find a decent one these days. Most are offering 6+ and its a very small market out there.

[tiksie]

Point taken Lan.

I will just stick with the 1.3 carby haha.

Cheers

[hisoka]

Being someone whos out there looking for a vti its pretty hard to find a decent one these days. Most are offering 6+ and its a very small market out there.

yer true, but keep looking, you will always come across someone who doesnt have a clue what it is, like a girl, and then just bargain it down and rip them off lol.

[mocchi]

yer true, but keep looking, you will always come across someone who doesnt have a clue what it is, like a girl, and then just bargain it down and rip them off lol.

lol hisoka. ur mean.

[jdm_b16a]

Just wondering how much a D16Y1 would set me back dropped into a EG Hatch Breeze, I understand that it's a tad more money going to EFi from Carby, but what would a rough estimate in price be ? I've seen D16Y1 motors go for as cheap as $300 in good condition!

Cheers

Interesting! The D16Y1 is a good engine, and, yes, it is a SOHC VTEC but it is a 1.6L, EFI with 96kW. The Breeze was Honda's answer to all the criticisms from the motoring press and the general public that Honda's were too expensive for what you pay (back in the early 90s). It was a stripped down no frills car at the lowest end of the Honda Civic market. I think it only came in one colour - yellow - to distinguish it from other Civics at the time. If you own an early model Breeze (1991-10/1993) you have the 1.3L engine (55kW); if you have one built after 10/1993 you have the 1.5L engine (67kW). The latter is the one to have for simplicity and build quality/functions.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s40/infotechplus/EFHonda/Honda_Civic_Breeze_93-95_front.gif

The upside was that it was the same body shape as the popular EG in Japan and I think it sold quite well.

I am currently transplanting the D16Y1 into an ED and the conversion is fairly involved, least of all what you have identified such as EFI conversion and possible drum-to-disc rear conversion. The latter is not absolutely necessary but because it is an easy swap and relatively cheap to do, the extra braking power would be a good thing.

Upgraded swaybars are cheap and easy to find, and you should have some electric options in the Breeze (although I can't be sure). Sunroof is a take it or leave it option (I rarely use mine), and a tacho can be added aftermarket if you must have one.

I don't know anything about prices for used D16Y1 as mine was from my 1994 EH sedan (which received a JDM B16A transplant a few years ago) but you may be able to find a good used engine at one of the wreckers or even off these forums.

The cost of this conversion is in the time it would take to complete it, not the actual parts. For example, converting the fuel system, the re-wiring, etc.


I've heard conversions take a weekend ?

Not from my experience. Anyone who says they can do this conversion (properly) in a weekend is a magician. Maybe if you had all the parts gathered, the wiring all sorted, the fuel tank modified, the brakes setup, a large, empty workshop and several people to help you you might do it in a week but not in a weekend.


u need fuel tank/pump, fuel lines, complete wiring loom,
u will need to get it engineer with rear disc etc etc
u must be very patient and have plenty of money to spend
not to mention taking the dash off to fit loom too thats the fun part
and not to mention trying to get it to work
plus what u think a mechanic is going to charge u to do this ?

Too much misinformation in some of these threads for my linking, and too many naysayers as well. But each person has a valid point in some respects.

You don't need a new fuel tank - the old one can be modified quite easily and you can use your exisitng fuel lines. They just need adapting.

A complete wiring loom would be nice but you can get away with an ECU and partial rewire but it would cost up about $600 to have a pro rewire so, yes, a complete loom would be much better.

You don't need an Engineer's Certificate, only A Change of Details form or Blue Slip from a workshop certifying that the conversion has been done to a certain standard and it is safe. You are only increasing the engine capacity from 1.5L to 1.6L and since the D16Y1 came in the same body shape it is a direct swap with engine mounts and transmission. The engine would be classed as an "option" for the Breeze so no Engineer's Certificate required.

Rear disc not essential but see my comment above.

This is a straightfoward albeit time consuming swap. If you are doing it yourself then it is a worthwhile upgrade, and parts can be sourced easily and inexpensively. If you are paying someone else to do it then, yes, I would have to agree that it could cost big $$ and probably not worth it in the long run.

Removing a Civic dash is easy - putting it back correctly is not as easy unless you label everything carefully and that takes time.

The bottom line is - DIY (Yes); Mechanic (No) too expensive (possibly)

Peter

[hisoka]

lol hisoka. ur mean.

lol i will rather be mean~then pay 6~7 grand for a overpriced honda. keep trying man, trust me. i found a girl who had one, and i went there the same night lol to bargain.

[tiksie]

Interesting! The D16Y1 is a good engine, and, yes, it is a SOHC VTEC but it is a 1.6L, EFI with 96kW. The Breeze was Honda's answer to all the criticisms from the motoring press and the general public that Honda's were too expensive for what you pay (back in the early 90s). It was a stripped down no frills car at the lowest end of the Honda Civic market. I think it only came in one colour - yellow - to distinguish it from other Civics at the time. If you own an early model Breeze (1991-10/1993) you have the 1.3L engine (55kW); if you have one built after 10/1993 you have the 1.5L engine (67kW). The latter is the one to have for simplicity and build quality/functions.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s40/infotechplus/EFHonda/Honda_Civic_Breeze_93-95_front.gif

The upside was that it was the same body shape as the popular EG in Japan and I think it sold quite well.

I am currently transplanting the D16Y1 into an ED and the conversion is fairly involved, least of all what you have identified such as EFI conversion and possible drum-to-disc rear conversion. The latter is not absolutely necessary but because it is an easy swap and relatively cheap to do, the extra braking power would be a good thing.

Upgraded swaybars are cheap and easy to find, and you should have some electric options in the Breeze (although I can't be sure). Sunroof is a take it or leave it option (I rarely use mine), and a tacho can be added aftermarket if you must have one.

I don't know anything about prices for used D16Y1 as mine was from my 1994 EH sedan (which received a JDM B16A transplant a few years ago) but you may be able to find a good used engine at one of the wreckers or even off these forums.

The cost of this conversion is in the time it would take to complete it, not the actual parts. For example, converting the fuel system, the re-wiring, etc.



Not from my experience. Anyone who says they can do this conversion (properly) in a weekend is a magician. Maybe if you had all the parts gathered, the wiring all sorted, the fuel tank modified, the brakes setup, a large, empty workshop and several people to help you you might do it in a week but not in a weekend.



Too much misinformation in some of these threads for my linking, and too many naysayers as well. But each person has a valid point in some respects.

You don't need a new fuel tank - the old one can be modified quite easily and you can use your exisitng fuel lines. They just need adapting.

A complete wiring loom would be nice but you can get away with an ECU and partial rewire but it would cost up about $600 to have a pro rewire so, yes, a complete loom would be much better.

You don't need an Engineer's Certificate, only A Change of Details form or Blue Slip from a workshop certifying that the conversion has been done to a certain standard and it is safe. You are only increasing the engine capacity from 1.5L to 1.6L and since the D16Y1 came in the same body shape it is a direct swap with engine mounts and transmission. The engine would be classed as an "option" for the Breeze so no Engineer's Certificate required.

Rear disc not essential but see my comment above.

This is a straightfoward albeit time consuming swap. If you are doing it yourself then it is a worthwhile upgrade, and parts can be sourced easily and inexpensively. If you are paying someone else to do it then, yes, I would have to agree that it could cost big $$ and probably not worth it in the long run.

Removing a Civic dash is easy - putting it back correctly is not as easy unless you label everything carefully and that takes time.

The bottom line is - DIY (Yes); Mechanic (No) too expensive (possibly)

Peter

Wow, thanks for that Peter!

It's good to have some positive feedback every once in a while.

[lenz]

2k max 2 day job taking your time thats including fuel tank and lines and loom engine complete swap over from a vti into a carby eg

[beeza]

Great advice Lan!!

[4000gt]

i don't see why an engineer's cert is required. The d16 came in a car with the same bodyshape and same chassis... just transplant, and update your rego info and away you go.

With all the parts ready, i don't see why it couldn't be done in a weekend, unless you're a noob keyboard forum warrior who pays someone else to do every last thing on your car... something that is all too common in this forum.

[hisoka]

i don't see why an engineer's cert is required. The d16 came in a car with the same bodyshape and same chassis... just transplant, and update your rego info and away you go.

With all the parts ready, i don't see why it couldn't be done in a weekend, unless you're a noob keyboard forum warrior who pays someone else to do every last thing on your car... something that is all too common in this forum.

well the guy wants to know how much its gonna cost so i guess he is a noob forum warrior ? your a fag mate, why would you add that last comment, it wasnt even nessecary. If you dont like this forum good for you, but you dont have to add comments like that venting your rage at us.

[tekung89]

trust me he is only 1 of many FAGS out there. sell the car and buy a vti =]

[4000gt]

trust me he is only 1 of many FAGS out there. sell the car and buy a vti =]

While i may agree with your advice to sell the car as it will probably work out better, i stand by my comments.

Too many people add their 2 cents even though it has been said by someone earlier, just to have their say.... THAT isn't necessary. Then there were comments about it not being possible to do in a weekend... again, from what experience? That is why i said what i said. I've done enough engine swaps/conversions to know what is possible and what isn't (within reason).

I didn't mention costs as it was already mentioned that it would be pricey..

My point was that it IS possible to do in a weekend... with parts sorted
Too much BS and bad advice on this forum.... doesn't mean i hate it, but it does leave a bad taste in your mouth when you come here for technical advice.

[mocchi]

hey tiksie, let 4000gt do the conversion, he could do it in a weekend. :D

[tekung89]

While i may agree with your advice to sell the car as it will probably work out better, i stand by my comments.

Too many people add their 2 cents even though it has been said by someone earlier, just to have their say.... THAT isn't necessary. Then there were comments about it not being possible to do in a weekend... again, from what experience? That is why i said what i said. I've done enough engine swaps/conversions to know what is possible and what isn't (within reason).

I didn't mention costs as it was already mentioned that it would be pricey..

My point was that it IS possible to do in a weekend... with parts sorted
Too much BS and bad advice on this forum.... doesn't mean i hate it, but it does leave a bad taste in your mouth when you come here for technical advice.

not having a go at u buddy but people add their personal opinions jus so the other person can weigh their decision and decide.

people are getting on ur back about this conversion being done in 1 week, i'd say it can easily make that dead line mark provided that all the items are there and u know wat ur doing, a few mounts dont line up and u run into abit of trouble but 7 days is plenty.

[mocchi]

isnt a weekend is only like 2 days? sat-sun?


not having a go at u buddy but people add their personal opinions jus so the other person can weigh their decision and decide.

people are getting on ur back about this conversion being done in 1 week, i'd say it can easily make that dead line mark provided that all the items are there and u know wat ur doing, a few mounts dont line up and u run into abit of trouble but 7 days is plenty.

[4000gt]

i still stand by my "possible in two days" opinion.... with all the parts, and a half decent set of tools....

Mounts will line up, so that isn't an issue.... electrical knowledge is also required along with a multimeter. A welder and an angle grinder with different types of discs will also make those unseen issues go away real quick. Anyone with a decent shed and some diy skills will most likely have these tools.

Done plenty of carby to efi conversions, albeit on non honda's... and i have to say, it isn't difficult at all.

start on a friday arvo and it can all be done by sunday night. Will take an hour or so to remove old engine, and not much more to put new one in.. all on the friday night. Saturday can be used to sort out the fuel and electricals... seriously, list out all the tasks and parts, and it's a walk in the park.

Some of you guys should really get your hands dirty.... i'll leave it at that.

[Stai]

im agreeing with 4000gt here im swapping my d15b4 for a jdm b16a atm majority was done on the weekend, just waiting for a few parts.

[90LAN]

i still stand by my "possible in two days" opinion.... with all the parts, and a half decent set of tools....

Mounts will line up, so that isn't an issue.... electrical knowledge is also required along with a multimeter. A welder and an angle grinder with different types of discs will also make those unseen issues go away real quick. Anyone with a decent shed and some diy skills will most likely have these tools.

Done plenty of carby to efi conversions, albeit on non honda's... and i have to say, it isn't difficult at all.

start on a friday arvo and it can all be done by sunday night. Will take an hour or so to remove old engine, and not much more to put new one in.. all on the friday night. Saturday can be used to sort out the fuel and electricals... seriously, list out all the tasks and parts, and it's a walk in the park.

Some of you guys should really get your hands dirty.... i'll leave it at that.


do u think these honda parts are readily availble?
u are talking about diy you mite be able to do it but he cant
he is getting a mechanic to do it
u think the mechanic would do your dodgy ways of doing a conversion as mentioned above ?
he needs his cars as mention
we are trying to say why would u go to the trouble of of doing such a tedious conversion ?
sure u could do it but in reality when u weigh up the good with the bad with this conversion .....
u would really have to be stupid to do it as it is a waste of time and money
u havent done a conversion with a eg carby but you seem to be a expert
why dont u make this your 1st one so u can do it over the weekend
dont worry about getting parts you seem to be pretty handy
so u could do a fuel injected system for him and your own wiring ...
have fun

[tekung89]

isnt a weekend is only like 2 days? sat-sun?

did he say weekend? i reject my statement lol 2 days is 48 hours . hmmmmm lets say bare motor, no aircon or powersteering. could be possible if u know wat ur doing. but thats besides the point. anyones whos gotten their hands dirty long enough is that it doesnt always go to plan

[4000gt]

do u think these honda parts are readily availble?
u are talking about diy you mite be able to do it but he cant
he is getting a mechanic to do it
u think the mechanic would do your dodgy ways of doing a conversion as mentioned above ?
he needs his cars as mention
we are trying to say why would u go to the trouble of of doing such a tedious conversion ?
sure u could do it but in reality when u weigh up the good with the bad with this conversion .....
u would really have to be stupid to do it as it is a waste of time and money
u havent done a conversion with a eg carby but you seem to be a expert
why dont u make this your 1st one so u can do it over the weekend
dont worry about getting parts you seem to be pretty handy
so u could do a fuel injected system for him and your own wiring ...
have fun

Now to be pedantic, i never said he should do it... if you guys bother to read, i only said it was possible.... And what makes you sure it would be done "dodgy". My whole argument here is that it is possible. Wiring diagrams and pinouts are available, so it isn't all that hard. Parts are actually not all that hard to get either as that particular engine is very common at the wreckers. But that isn't even the point..... the point was that if all parts were gathered, and there was only labour, it could be done in a weekend.... full stop.

nowhere did i say it was a good idea, only that it was possible. I've been modifying cars for over 10 years... i think i know a bad idea when it's suggested.

How would you even know whether i know about breezes or not? I've done enough research seeing as a friend asked about converting his one.... including having a hand in an actual conversion....

I give up... seems like no one reads the posts before getting their panties in a bunch.... all goes to support my initial comment.

[tiksie]

Wow calm down guys! All I wanted was opinions on pricing and what not, and got a few people going down eachothers throats!

I have done engine swaps before from carby to EFi (12A to 13B Turbo etc) but have only had that experience with rotaries (mazda's to be precise).

I just wanted some first hand opinions thats all.

Cheers fellas

[90LAN]

Now to be pedantic, i never said he should do it... if you guys bother to read, i only said it was possible.... And what makes you sure it would be done "dodgy". My whole argument here is that it is possible. Wiring diagrams and pinouts are available, so it isn't all that hard. Parts are actually not all that hard to get either as that particular engine is very common at the wreckers. But that isn't even the point..... the point was that if all parts were gathered, and there was only labour, it could be done in a weekend.... full stop.

nowhere did i say it was a good idea, only that it was possible. I've been modifying cars for over 10 years... i think i know a bad idea when it's suggested.

How would you even know whether i know about breezes or not? I've done enough research seeing as a friend asked about converting his one.... including having a hand in an actual conversion....

I give up... seems like no one reads the posts before getting their panties in a bunch.... all goes to support my initial comment.

because why give him hope and make him spend his money and time when he doesnt need too
mate i've had my far few share of honda conversions so i think i know what im talking about
oh by the way i use to own a eg BREEZE with a B18C with power windows and power mirrors
take it from some one who knows about this conversion
it is not worth it

[mr180sx]

because why give him hope and make him spend his money and time when he doesnt need too
mate i've had my far few share of honda conversions so i think i know what im talking about
oh by the way i use to own a eg BREEZE with a B18C with power windows and power mirrors
take it from some one who knows about this conversion
it is not worth it

Hahaha. Your making Lan angry!!!!

I agree with everything Lans saying. Its not worth the time and effort to convert eg carby to fuel injected. easier to sell and buy vti.Of course it is possible but is it worth it in the end.

Lan is Conversion king hehehe :thumbsup:

on a side note, changing interior/dash loom is a pain in the ass

[mocchi]

let say you buy the breeze for $1000, then would it be worth it?

[90LAN]

let say you buy the breeze for $1000, then would it be worth it?

why dont u buy a eg vti and put a breeze motor in it ?
that would be a better conversion

[mocchi]

why dont u buy a eg vti and put a breeze motor in it ?
that would be a better conversion

oh really.. hmm, how come youre not doing it ... lol.

[hisoka]

oh really.. hmm, how come youre not doing it ... lol.

fund him~ lol he will do it this weekend;)

cant beleive this thread still going. Vti is better bang for buck~plus sunroof for teh coolies.
90lan is giving good advice~trust him , as he has told you he done it already.

[mocchi]

shiet man, everyone just getting angry over nothing lol... omg
hahah

unsubscribed.

[tiksie]

Tell me about it, can a mod please close this now ? I just asked one simple question and mind you, it still hasn't been answered.. Just a few people getting angry at eachother and giving me 5 million opinions of which I am not even interested in.

Cheers

[fatboyz39]

sell it and get a efi EG.

[tiksie]

It's for sale at the moment. :)

Buy it so I can get a EFi EG :p I have already had a GLi and VTi and they were both meh.. Maybe I need a B series EG :)

[tiksie]

And now im keeping it :)

Got prices today for B16A2, B18C2 and B18C7 into my breeze:

B16A2 = $4500
B18C2 = $6000
B18C7 = $7000

All of that includes parts + labour preety much drive in drive out.

If it were injected, I would be looking at same options just minus $500.

Just some info for anyone that has a EG hatch that was curious on prices.