Upgrading b16a

[CivvyCloud]

Hey I have been tossing up for ages and i have finally decided I dont need the power of turbo or supercharger ;P So I just wanted to see peoples opinions on Upgrades to my Naturally Aspirated B16A DOHC VTEC 96 Honda Civic EK1 Hatch. I just want pretty much anything that will make it run better/faster without going turbo or supercharger =)

Thx

[WIGGLE]

get a typr r lsd gear box,
lighten fly wheel
IHE
toda spec c cams
adjustable cam gears
dual valve springs, retainers, oversized valves
high comp pistons
after market ecu

depends on your budget

[CivvyCloud]

well i dont wanna spend more thena turbo kit lets say that haha so bubget can be $8000 =)

[Louis - Type S]

Have a look at these threads


http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1023

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19495 (excellent thread)


You've got $8000 so you're off to a good start. Im assuming you already have I/H/E right? ITR gearbox with 4.7 or higher final drive, LSD and flywheel is a great start. Also Toda Au has a MFactory gear set for the B16a gearbox which i have been told is an excellent bang for your buck upgrade.

DO NOT over look your brakes and suspension mods aswell. Its all well and good to go fast, but if you cant stop and cant turn there is no point in having that extra power. Choose your mods so they all work well together for a total balance.

[CivvyCloud]

I am not after drag/track I am after STRICKLY Street peformance and have a Budget of $8000 would prefer cheaper if can do.

[Louis - Type S]

If you are after good street performance then start off with your basics such as I/H/E. But any good street performance car will have there brakes and suspension upgraded too.


For Honda motors nothing is cheap which is the sad truth. If you buy cheap you will be wasting your money on products that wont give you results. Eventually you'll have to pay more money to replace the cheap stuff you bought. Buy quality parts and do it right the first time, it will save you heaps of $$$$ in the long run.


Good Luck

[barefootbonzai]

$8k - B18CR swap, should have some money left to spend on other stuff.

[CivvyCloud]

u can get a B18CR swap for $8 ?? =o
Yeah man I am not 1 to buy cheap XD haha Money doesnt really phase me but i kinda think i should get the engine bay done before I get the Paint job and such.. or even better yet If i get a b18cr conversion then i can just replace my current b16a wen i get taken out for engine bay spray and kill 2 birds with 1 stone so to speak XD Hmm i will have to search for b18cr conversion =o

[fatboyz39]

B20vtec!

[mr180sx]

u can get a B18CR swap for $8 ?? =o
Yeah man I am not 1 to buy cheap XD haha Money doesnt really phase me but i kinda think i should get the engine bay done before I get the Paint job and such.. or even better yet If i get a b18cr conversion then i can just replace my current b16a wen i get taken out for engine bay spray and kill 2 birds with 1 stone so to speak XD Hmm i will have to search for b18cr conversion =o

Only barefoot can do it for that price. He charges too cheap. hehehe :thumbsup:

best option imo is sell your b16a off and b18cr conversion. you will love it

[Chi]

Theres no replacement for displacement.

[WIGGLE]

stroker kit

high comp full forged and balanced bottom end 9k+ rpm!

I have a full b16a all motor stroker set up including cams if your interested

pm for details

[Louis - Type S]

u can get a B18CR swap for $8 ?? =o
Yeah man I am not 1 to buy cheap XD haha Money doesnt really phase me but i kinda think i should get the engine bay done before I get the Paint job and such.. or even better yet If i get a b18cr conversion then i can just replace my current b16a wen i get taken out for engine bay spray and kill 2 birds with 1 stone so to speak XD Hmm i will have to search for b18cr conversion =o


Good to hear you are not a tight ass LOL, B18CR swap from Barefootbonzai is a great way to go. You will definately not be disapointed.

[EG5]

Theres no replacement for displacement.

nuff said

[SXC-84K]

yonas cant u do a better deal than 8k for a b18cr conversion?

[Benson]

b18cR packages are only worth 6k

[EG5]

yonas cant u do a better deal than 8k for a b18cr conversion?

I never said its 8k for the b18cr conversion supplied

[CivvyCloud]

hmm this B18CR is sounding mighty good XD

i wonder if i could swap b16a and money for a b18cr XD i cant be bothered selling it haha :P

[barefootbonzai]

if you're serious about doing a motor upgrade, swing me a pm. There's lots of options, to give you more power.

[Benson]

Just do a B20vtec, you'll make more torque and power than a b18c7

[ZeForce]

Just do a B20vtec, you'll make more torque and power than a b18c7

Agreed, cant go wrong with a B20VTEC even a basic setup is great for a daily driver :thumbsup:

[NightKids]

B20 >>> b18c7

[CivvyCloud]

price of B20 and availability ? =o

[barefootbonzai]

Just depend on what you want done on the b20. It can be very basic to all out. Like i said, if your actually serious about doing it swing us a pm and i'd be able to quote you on some setups.

[simonnowis]

but will $8k fit the budget for a b20? since its over the displacement limit of 15%(if ur in syd), it will need to be engineered, so more costs, + costs on brake upgrade.

[Paul1985]

but will $8k fit the budget for a b20? since its over the displacement limit of 15%(if ur in syd), it will need to be engineered, so more costs, + costs on brake upgrade.

They are good points that can easily be forgotten...

That is if you wanna do your swap and have it "legal".

[fatboyz39]

8k for a B20 is plenty. You will definately make more power than a b18cR with a B20.

Engineering is roughly 500-600bucks to make all mods on the car legal

Brake upgrade is not required. Make sure you got good pads

[drated]

yes go b20 and then nitrous lol or just get a nos kit for the b16a

[chunky]

lol wdf
nos kits ftw

[grumpy rooster]

Nitrous is great bang for buck but for a road car its pointless unless you will be drag racing it. And I am a big believer in nitrous. :)

[drated]

i was contemplating going that way myself ... but that was suppose to be a secret hahaha

[grumpy rooster]

What state are you in? If your in NSW send me a PM. ;)

[drated]

yes i am in nsw, but i wont be going down that path for a while ... need the money atm and prob wanna build it for track first haha

[RtN]

lol barefoot what if we're in sydney and we want you to do the engine package??

[VT3C]

IMO: if u allready have a B16 swap.. then you dont need the whole $6k B18C-R package.

you only need:

- Long-Block (head and block) including cams and belts etc.
- Type R final Drive / or aftermarket (Mfactory etc)

retain YOUR EXISTING:

- Intake manifold (difference between type R and B16A(2) is negligable)
- Engine mounts
- Wiring harness
- Axles
- Linkages
- Ancillaries (power steering, starter motor, alternator, water pump etc)
- Gearbox (B16A(2) ratios are the same as type R minus the Final Drive..
- ECU - you can run the B16 ECU with a piggyback or have it chipped FOR hONDATA.

this way you only need to spend between 2-4k on sourcing the Type R long-block and you can also sell your B16 Longblock for 500-1,000 depending on condition etc.

You can also take your B16 Head (and bits) and combine them with B20 block as others have mentioned but this does sacrifice reliability to a point and wont necessarilly rev as high as the type R (safely and reliably).

basically you can do a LOT with $8k if you're capable and prepared to do some of the running around and labour yourself.

[Limbo]

boost it

[jasonchow]

I like this idea and I want to do this to my EK4. Would you be able to do the conversion?