Greddy Emanage Ultimate + Vafc2

[Adrian Euro]

Can you run these together?
Will there be any power gains?
From what i understand they are completely different piggy back ECU's

[Chris_F]

Definitely a bad idea. The VAFC2 is a signal modifier and serves no purpose when used with the Emanage ultimate.

Greddy Emanage Ultiamte is all you need.

[tony1234]

Definitely a bad idea. The VAFC2 is a signal modifier and serves no purpose when used with the Emanage ultimate.

Greddy Emanage Ultiamte is all you need.
How much is the Greddy Emanage Ultimate installed ,tuned,drive in drive out?

[Crapdaz]

$650 approx

[tony1234]

$650 approx
Does that include the unit and harness or is that price just install tuning etc.?

[Chris_F]

$650? Did you mean $1650?

E-manage ultimate, installed and tuned your looking at $1500-$2000 drive in drive out depending on where you get it done.

You can buy a plug and play harness from boomslang for US$300 + $900 for the ultimate + $400 for tuning.

[free2d]

Can Ultimate tune:
1. Vtec point,
2. Rpm limit
3. Speed limit (For JDM)
4. Cams and stroke up kit?

Hondata is too much for me. Will PnP ecu like Spoon and J's Racing resolve these questions?

Thanks

[Crapdaz]

$650? Did you mean $1650?

E-manage ultimate, installed and tuned your looking at $1500-$2000 drive in drive out depending on where you get it done.

You can buy a plug and play harness from boomslang for US$300 + $900 for the ultimate + $400 for tuning.

yeh depending when you bought the unit & harness prior or after AUD collapse! :p

When i did get quote unit ($650), harness $200 & tuning ($650).
But price would be closer towards what chris_F has mentioned.

For me now would be $650+$200+ tuning($500) from toda.

Tony - Install would just be plug + play do it yourself, take it to tune.

[EUR003act]

Can Ultimate tune:
1. Vtec point,
2. Rpm limit
3. Speed limit (For JDM)
4. Cams and stroke up kit?

Hondata is too much for me. Will PnP ecu like Spoon and J's Racing resolve these questions?

Thanks

1. Yes
2. No (altough im not 100% on this)
3. Yes
4. Yes (no VTC control however)

[TODA AU]

With the dollar the way it is, the Haltech Platinum Interceptor is really good value.
Does, fuel, ignition, Vtec...
But no VTC
Delivers pretty much the same result as the e-manage for less $

[Adrian Euro]

With the dollar the way it is, the Haltech Platinum Interceptor is really good value.
Does, fuel, ignition, Vtec...
But no VTC
Delivers pretty much the same result as the e-manage for less $

So would that mean you could get that then run the VAFC2 as the VTC only function? WOuld this meen more power then only using the Platimum intercetor?

What $ is the inerceptor??

[EUR003act]

So would that mean you could get that then run the VAFC2 as the VTC only function? WOuld this meen more power then only using the Platimum intercetor?

What $ is the inerceptor??

VAFC2 will not control VTC...

it does have "VTC Vtec Monitoring for i-Vtec Equipped Engines" ~ whatever the hell that means...

[free2d]

1. Yes
2. No (altough im not 100% on this)
3. Yes
4. Yes (no VTC control however)



May need Greddy V-manage to control VTC?

I wonder what the yield for Ultimate if tune stock engine only.

[tony1234]

With the dollar the way it is, the Haltech Platinum Interceptor is really good value.
Does, fuel, ignition, Vtec...
But no VTC
Delivers pretty much the same result as the e-manage for less $
How much would the Haltech cost from you Adrian,inc.tuning etc.all up?

[EUR003act]

May need Greddy V-manage to control VTC?

I wonder what the yield for Ultimate if tune stock engine only.

yes... greddy v-manage will control VTC... :thumbsup:

[Suntzu]

So if you have other cams like our good buddy justin, then you really need VTC or you wont maximise the gains?Or are we talking minor KW here?

Also in what way is the new haltech like the Emanage Ultimate? I thought the Haltech was just an interceptor not like the emanage in terms of relearning...

[Accord Basic]

any idea what will be lose after tunning with e-managment ecu on a LUX euro? I heard that the Cruise Control will turn off. why?

[Crapdaz]

any idea what will be lose after tunning with e-managment ecu on a LUX euro? I heard that the Cruise Control will turn off. why?
where'd you hear that from, it shouldn't cause it's a piggyback system.

unless the piggyback system blocks any signal returning to the stock ECU of the Cruise controls.

[EUR003act]

So if you have other cams like our good buddy justin, then you really need VTC or you wont maximise the gains?Or are we talking minor KW here?

Also in what way is the new haltech like the Emanage Ultimate? I thought the Haltech was just an interceptor not like the emanage in terms of relearning...

VTC seems to be where the biggest gains are seen in the k-series... especially if you go after market cams, 45degree of VTC and correct tuning of it makes big power!

lol im only running stock K24 cams :D


any idea what will be lose after tunning with e-managment ecu on a LUX euro? I heard that the Cruise Control will turn off. why?

wont loose anything... cruise control works fine...

[TODA AU]

So would that mean you could get that then run the VAFC2 as the VTC only function? WOuld this meen more power then only using the Platimum intercetor?
The VAFC2 only controls fuel,
It inadvertantly changes the ignition timing a little too...
But has no direct control.
The Haltech does & it works well.
As mentioned previously, the VAFC2 can only monitor the VTC...
For some unknown resason, but it cannot affect it.

A greddy V-Manage can control VTC & nothing more.
It can be used together with an E-Manage for conrol of both fuel, ignition & VTC.
But this is a prety expensive option...


How much would the Haltech cost from you Adrian,inc.tuning etc.all up?
The prices for this are up in the trader section.
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=100688


Fixed rates…

APEXI VAFC II (& similar systems) = $200 (fitting is an extra $150)

***Accord CL9 EURO - Haltech Platinum Interceptor - $1500 supplied, fitted & tuned***
***DC5 Type S / R - Haltech Platinum Interceptor - $1500 supplied, fitted & tuned***


Cheers

Adrian

[Chris_F]

With the dollar the way it is, the Haltech Platinum Interceptor is really good value.
Does, fuel, ignition, Vtec...
But no VTC
Delivers pretty much the same result as the e-manage for less $

Are you sure about the VTEC control? From what I read on the haltech website and the interceptor manual there was no mention of VTEC control...

[TODA AU]

So if you have other cams like our good buddy justin, then you really need VTC or you wont maximise the gains?Or are we talking minor KW here?

Also in what way is the new haltech like the Emanage Ultimate? I thought the Haltech was just an interceptor not like the emanage in terms of relearning...

If you're in the market for an emanage or Haltech,
We're not talking massive gains.
If you want standalone ECU results, you pretty much need to get one.

The Haltech is similar to the Emanage in that the end result is the same.
Sure, the way it works is different.
But with the drop in the Aussie dollar, the Haltech has a cost advantage.

NB: For both Haltech & E-Manage, moving to larger injectors & cams is really not a good idea. Though you can make it work, it's not ideal particuarly at part throttle where the std O2 sensor is doing it's thing.
So IMO, if you're going to go that far. You're better using a proper stand alone ECU that can do everything.
Bare in mind going this way has downside too appart from cost.

[TODA AU]

Are you sure about the VTEC control? From what I read on the haltech website and the interceptor manual there was no mention of VTEC control...

I know... & the instructions say it's not recommended...
But the ability is there & it works...
You need to add a relay & configure the output, but it's no biggie.
100% the interceptor does VTEC :thumbsup:

[EUR003act]

NB: For both Haltech & E-Manage, moving to larger injectors & cams is really not a good idea. Though you can make it work, it's not ideal particuarly at part throttle where the std O2 sensor is doing it's thing.
So IMO, if you're going to go that far. You're better using a proper stand alone ECU that can do everything.
Bare in mind going this way has downside too appart from cost.

with emanage you can force the stock ECU into 'open' or 'closed' loop :thumbsup:

for tuning or power purposes...

plus you can set your own a/f target for the car to hit whilst in 'closed loop'

[TODA AU]

with emanage you can force the stock ECU into 'open' or 'closed' loop :thumbsup:

for tuning or power purposes...

plus you can set your own a/f target for the car to hit whilst in 'closed loop'

You're right...
It does have the potential to do that.
But I can't vouch that it isn't without issues...

[Chris_F]

In my eyes,

I/H/E only requires reflash, e-manage ultimate or haltech interceptor. For $1500 installed and tune the haltech really is a good buy.

Like Adrian said though, as soon as you touch cams etc. you're better off with a standalone.

While an e-manage might get the car running quite well it still can't control VTC. Once you add in the V-manage you're already getting to the cost of a top of the line Vipec ECU. With the dollar like it as at the moment, it's time to look at the local products like Haltech, Vi-pec, Motec, Autronic etc.

Should also mention that Haltech should be releasing their platinum range of ECU's early next year and they should have at least one model that works with drive by wire.

As soon as the drive-by-wire option is made available for the Vi-pec V88, that's the direction I'll be taking.

[johnprocter]

haltech > jtune ???

[Chris_F]

haltech > jtune ???

in my opinion it is. For $500 more you get a tune that is customised to your specific setup. There's no risk of your ecu being fried and having no car for a week either. You can also remove it and sell it at anytime to practically anyone.

I emailed Haltech a few months ago about the gains and they said you can expect about a 12kw gain with a couple of simple bolt ons or two (like an intake or a header).

[johnprocter]

sounds good :D cheers

[tony1234]

in my opinion it is. For $500 more you get a tune that is customised to your specific setup. There's no risk of your ecu being fried and having no car for a week either. You can also remove it and sell it at anytime to practically anyone.

I emailed Haltech a few months ago about the gains and they said you can expect about a 12kw gain with a couple of simple bolt ons or two (like an intake or a header).
Yeah i agree.too much BS associated with Jtune and the reflash is now $1195???Hmmm,Haltech is tempting.Is that 12kw at the wheels?

[TODA AU]

Yes, that'd be at the wheels.
Haltech's dyno is a 4wd dyno dynamics.