b16a2 from 1995 crx into EK

[steve88]

A B16A2 from a 1995 CRX, same engine as the ek4 (hydro clutch etc), can it go into my 1998 gli civic?

im in nsw
will the RTA allow it?

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

The engine is older then the car.

Therefore you cannot road register it.

[steve88]

even though it shares the same engine as a ek4? how would they know any better? ek4 is same age as my car

[steve88]

r u sure??
i spoke to the rta, they said any b16a2 is fine- because the ek chassis came out with the exact same engine

[Chr1s]

I just spoke to the RTA, do you work for the RTA shogun?

It's legal.

[SiReal]

unless u get it in writing from them, i highly suggest u scrutinise their terms and conditions.

unless its only illegal in victoria hehe

[steve88]

i just rang 1300 137 302 (technical support for RTA)

they said its not the age, its the emission that matters. and that GENERALLY, older engines have crapper emissions so you CANT put it into a newer chassis. but because b16a2 was shared between CRX and CIVIC between 1992-2000 (EK4 stopped at 98?) that its fine

[VTec1987]

Well only way to find out is to get a blue slip, if you pass the blue slip with the new engine than that means the rta allows you to register the car.

I've done it before, using a b16a2 from EK4 (96) into a EK1 (98), got a blue slip then went to the rta and finish. No drama what so ever man

[SiReal]

Good stuff steve88 :thumbsup:

[steve88]

i also rang an engineering place, they said that if i test the b16a2 from the 1995 CRX and emissions are same standard as 1998 EK4 then it passes 100% fully legit, cant do shit.

and he also stated very high chance it will pass, unless the cat is rooted; he said people tuning hte ECU usually get dicked for not passing EPA when swapping b16's

so now all you people who promptly reply with "NO you cant newer engine into older chassis" finally have a proper, legit answer!

[Zdster]

unless its only illegal in victoria hehe

Big fella, have a read here (page 4):
http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/CC48FC10-4D57-4F04-82E1-3BD72EF88340/0/VSI8.pdf

There is no reference to the age of the engine, it is mostly about emmission standards.

[steve88]

i knew it, the guy on the phone said emission standards is just a rule of thumb

[trism]

well..

very good


i was just chatting to some people, they said that you can chuck any engine in, and if the EPA is wary about it, theyll do an emissions test, and if it passes, then sweet as

[STTICH]

Big fella, have a read here (page 4):
http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/CC48FC10-4D57-4F04-82E1-3BD72EF88340/0/VSI8.pdf

There is no reference to the age of the engine, it is mostly about emmission standards.

and is that why u're running b16 now? :p

[steve88]

well..

very good


i was just chatting to some people, they said that you can chuck any engine in, and if the EPA is wary about it, theyll do an emissions test, and if it passes, then sweet as

exactly. and hondas generally are very clean anyway according to an engineer i spoke too.

its only by fluke that old engines happen to have shit emissions, but sexy hondas didnt have that problem ;)

EPA tests are free apparently too? and the worst off i could ever be is needing to replace the catalyst if the b16a2 is not passing the test

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

Congrats to Steve on this find.

Last time i checked it went by age as per Stevens other post linked to this thread

[MWAKU]

Thought it was always emissions. But good stuff, should be stickied. :D

[LLS]

Hell yeah! Good work :thumbsup:

[trism]

EPA isn't free they charge you at least 60 bucks for a test

[steve88]

EPA isn't free they charge you at least 60 bucks for a test

nope. free test, my mate had it done on his CRX to pass his blue slip

[hisoka]

EPA isn't free they charge you at least 60 bucks for a test

i think your talking about road worthy.

EPA is free, they make enough money from people with cannon exhausts mufflers, and catless exhausts lol.

[trism]

When did they change that? I've heard heaps if stories about people being charged epic prices for it and failing it like 4 times before they passed

[Zdster]

and is that why u're running b16 now? :p

I wish :). I love my twin turbo K series :p.

[hisoka]

When did they change that? I've heard heaps if stories about people being charged epic prices for it and failing it like 4 times before they passed

nah i think thats when you get caught then its epic price bro, are you talking about the 10 grand epa fine for straight throught exhaust ?

[trism]

no no

im talking like a 60 dollar fee whenever you get an emissions test done

[trism]

Approved testers will be able to charge a fee, set by
EPA under the Act, for each test and inspection they
conduct. This fee is set to provide for the cost to their
business of supplying this service. It is not returned to
EPA or government.
The proposed fee is six fee units for the initial test and
inspection, and three fee units for second and
subsequent re-tests or re-inspections when taken to
the same tester should the vehicle fail the initial
inspection or test. The differential fee applies because
the tester will not have to conduct a complete check of
the vehicle, only check the defective items. The three
fee unit cost is consistent with the fee currently
charged by EPA approved noise testers for a noise
test.
A fee unit is currently valued at $10.75. Six fee units
are $71.00 including GST. Three fee units are $35.50
including GST. The Victorian Government reviews the
value of fee units annually.
The initial test and inspection is expected to take no
more than one hour based on EPA’s current operating
experience. Taking into consideration labour and
operational costs, a one-hour test equates to
approximately $70 on a cost recovery basis. This fee
level is considered to be the minimum level for cost
recovery. It is expected that businesses will leverage
this activity to provide extra services to their clients.
A comparable regulatory activity is that of a licensed
vehicle tester providing a roadworthy certificate. The
fee for this service is unregulated, but a survey has
indicated that for a standard passenger car in good
condition the fee is approximately $75 upwards.

from here http://epanote2.epa.vic.gov.au/EPA/publications.nsf/7dd91371df0bd0654a256ce9001f4ac1/d0ed299ed191768bca2571c9007fbcef/$FILE/1119.pdf


thats vic but its similar in NSW

[steve88]

is ther any restrictions to putting a b16a2 if the car the b16a2 was from was written off?

[mocchi]

youre not repairing the written off car. why would there be any restriction

[steve88]

i was just checking, checked with rta all good as well

[mocchi]

Just an update regarding putting an older engine in a newer car. its not allowed.
At least in VIC.


Big fella, have a read here (page 4):
http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/CC48FC10-4D57-4F04-82E1-3BD72EF88340/0/VSI8.pdf

There is no reference to the age of the engine, it is mostly about emmission standards.

apparently, there is. VSI20 (http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/5C946861-35D8-42CF-A1A6-BA00F3D3A104/0/VSI20.pdf) though.. not VSI8 (http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/CC48FC10-4D57-4F04-82E1-3BD72EF88340/0/VSI8.pdf)

Page 3 - Q.15
Engine Change - The engine in my car is fitted with emission controls,
can i fit an engine from an older vehicle?

No, the replacement engine must be of the same age or newer, and must meet all the emission standards applicable to the vehicle's and engine's date of manufacture.

[steve88]

well at least now we know where that original concept came from, damn you victorians :P