supercharge my S2K or buy Z3 M?

[terantica]

A q for u gurus out there. Getting a bit tired of the lack of torque on my S2K & thinking of ditching it & buying a BM Z3 M. But a cluey guy at work suggested I should sc my S2K rather . Any advice?

[ludecrs]

I have a rought build thread here if you want something to read:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99124

I know of atleast 3 other s/c S2000 owners here on OH, though, they all choose to lurk and rarely comment. Might be in your best interest to have a search from a year or so ago and see what you find :)

Otherwise, for forced S2k induction goodness, I'd recommend www.s2ki.com and check out the Forced Induction sub forum.

[terantica]

Thanx Mate. I'll check it out.
Value some opinions on the comp if anyone has a view

[jugbugz]

Yeh F20C behaves like the B-series unlike the torquey K-series.

Have you considered the bmw 135i? The interior is the same size as the 3series coupe.

[Djbinh]

Yeh F20C behaves like the B-series unlike the torquey K-series.

Have you considered the bmw 135i? The interior is the same size as the 3series coupe.

how much does the supercharger cost

[AusS2000]

First things first, the SC won't give you low down torque.

For that you want a turbo. The Greddy kit will give you what you're looking for.

[ludecrs]

^ Best bang for buck IMO, just dont plan to upgrade.

[rokkuchan]

Z3 is a bit old now... Z3 M - is that the M3 powered one? Was that even available? I think that's the M Coupe' .

Which Z3 ya after? My friend had a Z3 straight 6 cyclinder and that was fast! and heard the 4cyclinder version slow and crap... But manual convertible roof... :thumbdwn: and all the gadgets in there breaks down.

if u want torque, go get a datsun (nissan)

[moo moo nel]

I owned a Z4 for 5yrs and just sold it recently

trust me...you need a very deep pocket to manintain an old Beemer

[Vuey]

you need to be prepared for the issues with FI conversions.

I know a fews who have turbo'ed or SC their rides (s2000's included) and they have had heaps of reliability issues.

Their cars spent more time in the workshops than on the road. Im not talking backyard jobs, some have spent in the ballpark of about $10-15k.

i considered recently to turbo my car, but decided on a new watch instead.

[WhiteAP1]

Yeh F20C behaves like the B-series unlike the torquey K-series.

Have you considered the bmw 135i? The interior is the same size as the 3series coupe.

:thumbsup:

I say dont bother with the SC or Turbo, go the 135i. Its an absolutly stunning car with the legs to show up many high end sports cars. Theres a bit of a waiting list however.Its worth some serious consideration.

Now you can go FI on an almost 10 year old car, which will have it benifits and fun, but also bugs, issues and its fair share of headaches and time off the road, Or a brand new BM that does 0-100 sub 5 secs with no problems that every P plater and his dog doesnt have.

If you got the funds go for it.

[ludecrs]

I havent had any downtime with mine.... and its been boosted for 10000kms now...

[Ferrari]

135i is an awesome performance package, but lets be serious it looks dogsh!t. Id take a turbo S2000 anyday.

[civ_sik]

s2000 is a chicks car

[civ_sik]

to add to that if hes looking at a z3 i doubt he has the money for a new 135i

[CONAN]

s2000 is a chicks car

and your gay :)

[Vuey]

135i is an awesome performance package, but lets be serious it looks dogsh!t. Id take a turbo S2000 anyday.

ahahahaha i kind of feel the same ... i am really trying to love it , but just cant .

your looking at about $100k drive away for a 135i .

for half that you can pick yourself up a R34 GTR and smoke every MF out there .

[ludecrs]

$100K for a 1 series? oh the lulz.

It doesn't help BMW's just look like shit these days.

[rokkuchan]

$100k for 1 series..... if u can pay 100K might as well pay extra 15k for a 335i twin turbo...

[CoupeTurbo]

and your gay :)

well said good comeback :wave:

[moo moo nel]

the actual price people are paying < $80K driveaway for the 135i with sunroof

with the Professional Sat Nav is 83k driveaway

[ludecrs]

Still way overpriced in ones humble opinion. I remember the days a new M3 cost $130K, and a 3 series set you back in the $50K range.... Now they charge $80K just for a 1 series....?

[LiL FiLo]

First things first, the SC won't give you low down torque.

For that you want a turbo. The Greddy kit will give you what you're looking for.

superchargers give power from the lower rev ranges as they are belt driven, and spinning the turbine even whilst on idle, where as turbo's are driven from exhaust gases to spin the turbines white results in their effective power range in the top rev ranges.

therefore a SC will give you low down torque because power range starts from almost 1k

i may be wrong, but please correct me if i am.

capa performance i think have a supercharger kit ready for the s2k and vortech is quite popular aswell..... try and find out how much boost you want to run as this will determine what engine internals and tuning you may have to alter. i think aftermarket ecu would be a must for this project.

[ludecrs]

^

roots type S/c yes....

However, none are readily available on the market for S2000's.

Most are centrifugal blowers..... more revs -> more boost.

[WhiteAP1]

$80k for a BMW that can out perform cars worth twice as much or more??? That still has ample luxury features and creature comforts. I'd say thats pretty good value. If you've driven one you'll realise its simply not just another 1 series. Just like the M3 isnt just another 3 series.

Each to their own i guess, if you dont like it, you dont like it.

Just a quick question, whats a brand new s2000 go for these days??? Oh yeah $80K
Now theres an over priced car.

[ludecrs]

Thats because Honda's retarded and should of canned it years ago when sales dropped off - much the same as the NSX.

In the way of brand new cars, the S2000 has to be one of the biggest rip offs on the market. It was overpriced even when it was released imo.

But..... its still a 1 series. The overpriced option. Sounds like the S2000 10yrs ago if you ask me. I bet you their sales go the same way too....

[EGJOE]

This is what i would love to do to an s2k one day:thumbsup:

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=DV08SE-zV7A
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=4YxuOCbY21A

[jugbugz]

^

roots type S/c yes....

However, none are readily available on the market for S2000's.

Most are centrifugal blowers..... more revs -> more boost.

Thats whys they developed the Twin Screw type. Max boost pressure @ 2500-2800rpm. Also can be intercooled. Much more reliable and hassle free than turbo if your looking to add another 100-150bhp.

[ludecrs]

^

There is a prototype Eaton MP62 out by Static X Motorpsort in the USA for the S2000 market, but production numbers at this point in time are probably under a 1/2 dozen.

[AusS2000]

i may be wrong, but please correct me if i am.

You are, and I will.

I understand that positive displacement SCs result in low down torque but none of the available kits for the S are PD including the Vortech which you mentioned from CAPA.

To use this as an example, the Vortech delivers boost proportionate to RPM and really doesn't have much effect until about 5500 and even then it is minimal and peaks at 9000. A nicely matched turbo will be at full boost before 4000.

[ludecrs]

Aus, the Static X Eaton Mp62 is PD.

[AusS2000]

Yup, but as you say, it is in the prototype stage. There have been about 6 different PD blowers for the S that have not got past the prototype stage.

[Tarquin]

And yes there was a z3 M, came with the M3, 252kw inline six
Id rater a forced induced s2k though cause no z3 is gunna rev 2 9K

[90LAN]

keep the s2000 and order a J's racing motor
beat the 135/M3 any day
dont need to super charge ot turbo imo

[ludecrs]

Yup, but as you say, it is in the prototype stage. There have been about 6 different PD blowers for the S that have not got past the prototype stage.

Atleast this one seems a little more likely to bear fruit than the others. I'm reading good results from the SOT thread the last time I checked it.

[blabla]

Just my 2c...
Did any1 watch top gear when they reviewed the 1series coupe to the m3? The 1 series coupe out performs the m3. The 1series coupes come out with a 3ltr straight six 400nm kicking in at 1300rpm. I love my honda's but... if I had the choice of the m3 or the 1 series coupe I know which I’d go it would be the 1 series coupe not only that the 1 series comer out with a proper manual box non of the paddle shift BS!

Mate you can also buy an mx5 and buy the kit to make it look like a z3.

[7ypeR]

Just turbo charge the s2k, it's the way to go. All this talk of reliability issues with FI is crap. As long as you do it right the first time ie good new turbo and quality manifold etc, then it should be fine. Make sure that all the work is engineered, and most importantly find the best tuner for your application.

Just a note if you go through with this, don't bother buying parts here and there to store in your garage until you're ready. The most likely case is that your just gonna end up selling the project. Just save money till you have the whole amount.

Hope that helps in some way :thumbsup:

[Riviera]

Just save money till you have the whole amount.

Hope that helps in some way :thumbsup:


always the best way to go :thumbsup: otherwise u lose interest...


i would SC the S2k its soooo much sexier, and its like omg S2k when u see it
when u see a beemer its just like... oh... just another Z3/Z4

S2KS2KS2k!!!

[ludecrs]

I quite like the Z4, as long as it has the 3.0L to back up the Bangled design ; although I can't remember the last time I saw a modified one on our roads here in SE QLD.