View Full Version : Accord Euro V6 unveiled in the US
aware
12-02-2009, 11:24 AM
Lets hope this comes to Australia!!
The engine is a cracker, and this is a smart move by Honda. Although would it be hard to sell alongside the normal Accord here?
Good work :honda:
Accord Euro V6 (http://www.caradvice.com.au/22594/honda-accord-euro-v6-unveiled-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-115353)
Wow that is surprising...I doubt it would come to Australia, wouldnt make sense competing with the Honda Accord. At least there, its two "seperate" brands.
Type R Positive
12-02-2009, 12:30 PM
Good luck.....
Honda moving toward little cheap cars.
Crapdaz
12-02-2009, 12:39 PM
ROFLMAO!!!
nextthing you know it they make a car called Honda Puney 1.0L VTI
nickxau
12-02-2009, 12:50 PM
or got retro with a 360 Life http://www.honda.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/internet/Honda.com.au/Home/Owners/Previous+Models/Life/1973+-+1974/ :cool:
aaronng
12-02-2009, 01:47 PM
208kW, auto gearbox, no LSD, FWD.... Um, no thanks? The weight distribution would be worse than the already front-heavy 2.4L Euro.
I would prefer this:
http://www.gtchannel.com/files/honda-crz-japan-concept-car-05_32.jpg
Crapdaz
12-02-2009, 01:49 PM
it's a transformers car.... honda version!
MKI4EVA
12-02-2009, 02:19 PM
had a feeling this would come out.............I'd be ripped if it comes out here. Sounds great though......suspension, brakes etc.
Type R Positive
12-02-2009, 03:41 PM
ROFLMAO!!!
nextthing you know it they make a car called Honda Puney 1.0L VTI
They make a cool Honda Zest with a 660cc engine. ;)
I think this would be a great car to drive - but why does honda persist with only a 5 speed auto? Innovation in Honda seems to be falling behind other manufacturers.
tony1234
13-02-2009, 06:30 AM
I think this would be a great car to drive - but why does honda persist with only a 5 speed auto? Innovation in Honda seems to be falling behind other manufacturers.
True but Subaru are still persisting with 4 speed autos in their Imprezza and their lower end Libertys.Also still only 5 speed manuals!!!.That's just a joke.
aaronng
13-02-2009, 09:14 AM
True but Subaru are still persisting with 4 speed autos in their Imprezza and their lower end Libertys.Also still only 5 speed manuals!!!.That's just a joke.
At least it is a manual. This TSX V6 comes only in auto. On the vtec.net site, ppl are already complaining about the auto only and lack of SH-AWD. Makes it no better than the Accord V6, which is a very good car now unlike the previous gen which was much softer in handling.
Euro76
13-02-2009, 09:34 AM
I don't think V6 Euro would make it down here. I hope Honda Australia would be wise on this.
Crapdaz
13-02-2009, 10:07 AM
no point of having the V6 since the current euro is ideal already.
aaronng
13-02-2009, 10:08 AM
no point of having the V6 since the current euro is ideal already.
If it was ideal, no one would mod them for more power. :p
giant_mongrel
13-02-2009, 11:46 AM
they just brought out CU2 and this month brought out honda city. highly doubt honda will unveil another car just yet
Crapdaz
13-02-2009, 11:53 AM
If it was ideal, no one would mod them for more power. :p
hey aaron, don't pick on young kids!! *me*
can you say the same for ppl with WRX STI's and Lan Evo's? The cars are even better but they still mod them... puahahaha
aaronng
13-02-2009, 11:57 AM
hey aaron, don't pick on young kids!! *me*
can you say the same for ppl with WRX STI's and Lan Evo's? The cars are even better but they still mod them... puahahaha
But those cars are not ideal... LOLOL....
kleung
13-02-2009, 01:52 PM
There's no pleasing you guys, is there? :)
You know, if Honda were to release the Euro in V6 wagon form here, I'd have to seriously consider signing up on the waiting list.
I think the handling concerns are valid too - the Euro was designed as a 4cyl car, and it'd be interesting to see how much of an impact the extra power and weight of a V6 will have on the handling.
integral90
13-02-2009, 02:53 PM
I don't think the Euro could survive with a V6. The chassis shape has the the length of the car before the A-pillar so short, there's no room to push the engine back to keep some form of balance. It'll ruin the weight distrubution and as Aaron said, add to an already very evident problem with the Euro.
But I think what Honda/Acura are thinking is more from a luxury standpoint. There's nothing luxurious about sitting at 5000rpm with your foot 3/4 down and engine whinging to get up a steep hill when you have 5 people in the car with the air conditioning on. The automatic, torquey V6 is just going to make the car more comfortable and I think it's not meant to be a performance variant of the TSX/Euro.
Just my 2c
Mr_will
13-02-2009, 03:32 PM
True but Subaru are still persisting with 4 speed autos in their Imprezza and their lower end Libertys.Also still only 5 speed manuals!!!.That's just a joke.
who cares if its 5 or 6 speed as long as the ratios are well match to the torque characteristics of the engine.
a general statement that 5 speed manuals are a joke is pretty stupid
tron07
13-02-2009, 04:12 PM
I think they should just supercharge the 4 pot
jamchen
13-02-2009, 05:25 PM
I think they should just supercharge the 4 pot
Perhaps from the RDX??
Euro already has a good balanced engine ( owning the previous model)... i'd more like to see Honda put the effort putting the V6 into odyssey... then i'd be happy...
tony1234
13-02-2009, 05:56 PM
who cares if its 5 or 6 speed as long as the ratios are well match to the torque characteristics of the engine.
a general statement that 5 speed manuals are a joke is pretty stupid
Do you know what you are talking about!I've owned a Liberty with a 5 speed, and it definitely needs another gear,it's a relatively low revving engine when compared to a Honda engine.It sits on 3K at approx.110kph and redlines at 5750.So i think you are stupid and you should read what i said as i was referring to Subarus.
They are changing the suspension tuning so I don't think you guys can automatically assume that the weight distribution will suddenly result in crap handling. Look what suspension tuning and rigidity did to the CU2 compared to the CL9. The CU2 is beautifully balanced and it weighs a lot more.
A Euro with a 0-100 time of 6.7 seconds is a welcome addition in my books. The paddle shifters allow you some fun. Something worth testing i think before passing judgement.
aaronng
13-02-2009, 08:56 PM
They are changing the suspension tuning so I don't think you guys can automatically assume that the weight distribution will suddenly result in crap handling. Look what suspension tuning and rigidity did to the CU2 compared to the CL9. The CU2 is beautifully balanced and it weighs a lot more.
A Euro with a 0-100 time of 6.7 seconds is a welcome addition in my books. The paddle shifters allow you some fun. Something worth testing i think before passing judgement.
Suspension tuning isn't going to move the weight around. The CU2 has an engine of similar weight to the CL9, but in a heavier chassis with wider track. That's why it has a better weight distribution and handles beautifully.
Suspension tuning isn't going to move the weight around. The CU2 has an engine of similar weight to the CL9, but in a heavier chassis with wider track. That's why it has a better weight distribution and handles beautifully.
No it doesn't move the weight around but what I mean is the suspension changes Honda say they have done for the V6 can drastically alter the handling characteristics. By making it more nose heavy with the V6 would mean more understeer. But that can be altered by the suspension set up - softer front shock and stiffer rear shock, thicker rear sway bar, change camber settings, toe etc.
Do we know what the V6 engine weighs compared to to the I4? It might be just a few kg's difference.
I would consider buying a V6 Euro auto: I've never owned anything more than a 4 cylinder car and I'm getting old and petrol is running out and I don't think I've quite vaporised my fair share of petrol despite having owned three turbo cars and you guys can have the smelly diesel version to your mexicanselves.
Type R Positive
15-02-2009, 12:25 PM
If it was ideal, no one would mod them for more power. :pNo one is modding them for more power! ROFL!!!
Type R Positive
15-02-2009, 12:26 PM
At least it is a manual. This TSX V6 comes only in auto. On the vtec.net site, ppl are already complaining about the auto only and lack of SH-AWD. Makes it no better than the Accord V6, which is a very good car now unlike the previous gen which was much softer in handling.
That's what gets me with those wankers, they already got the TL..... Idiots. :zip:
Type R Positive
15-02-2009, 12:28 PM
I don't think the Euro could survive with a V6. The chassis shape has the the length of the car before the A-pillar so short, there's no room to push the engine back to keep some form of balance. It'll ruin the weight distrubution and as Aaron said, add to an already very evident problem with the Euro.You have never popped the bonnet, have you? :confused:
Type R Positive
15-02-2009, 12:30 PM
who cares if its 5 or 6 speed as long as the ratios are well match to the torque characteristics of the engine.
a general statement that 5 speed manuals are a joke is pretty stupid
They desperately need another gear. ;)
In the toyota prado, they had a 4 speed auto. Matched really good to the engine. I got a new one with the 5 speed auto, and it shits all over the old auto. :thumbsup:
integral90
15-02-2009, 12:48 PM
You have never popped the bonnet, have you? :confused:
Yeah, cause I've done intake, strut bar, RBC, ratiator cap, swapped my grille and checked/topped up coolant and oil without ever popping the bonnet :thumbsup:
The Euro has a short body before the A-pillar, don't have to pop the bonnet to figure that out
Type R Positive
15-02-2009, 02:25 PM
Yeah, cause I've done intake, strut bar, RBC, ratiator cap, swapped my grille and checked/topped up coolant and oil without ever popping the bonnet :thumbsup:
The Euro has a short body before the A-pillar, don't have to pop the bonnet to figure that out
All on the CU2? :confused:
CU2 has heaps more room under the bonnet than the CL9. The CU2 was probably designed from the start to take a V6. Honda/Acura wouldn't suddenly, within a year of the model release, decide to fit a V6 without any fore-planning. It must have been planned from the start.
I wonder if HA has any plans for it in OZ?
MiSloVic
15-02-2009, 08:28 PM
The v6 euro may just tempt those who think the 'cu2 is too little improved from the cl9' to upgrade. Me waiting for the v6.
Type R Positive
15-02-2009, 08:44 PM
CU2 has heaps more room under the bonnet than the CL9. :thumbsup: My point exactly! :)
Type R Positive
15-02-2009, 08:59 PM
The v6 euro may just tempt those who think the 'cu2 is too little improved from the cl9' to upgrade. Me waiting for the v6.
Although it would be a good step up from the CL9, one must question why would you?
With the Euro being priced about $6k dearer than the Accord equivalent, pricing would be $46k for base V6, $55k for Lux, $58k for Lux Navi! :eek:
Aurion's can be had for $31k drive away.
MiSloVic
16-02-2009, 08:59 AM
Although it would be a good step up from the CL9, one must question why would you?
With the Euro being priced about $6k dearer than the Accord equivalent, pricing would be $46k for base V6, $55k for Lux, $58k for Lux Navi! :eek:
Aurion's can be had for $31k drive away.
we'll just have to wait to see the pricing. if it is really priced around the $50k mark, then no. it is not worth that much.
Type R Positive
16-02-2009, 11:48 AM
we'll just have to wait to see the pricing. if it is really priced around the $50k mark, then no. it is not worth that much.Yeah, it's only a rough guess based on the current Euro vs Accord pricing.
MKI4EVA
16-02-2009, 02:00 PM
Although it would be a good step up from the CL9, one must question why would you?
With the Euro being priced about $6k dearer than the Accord equivalent, pricing would be $46k for base V6, $55k for Lux, $58k for Lux Navi! :eek:
Aurion's can be had for $31k drive away.
Aurion's finish/quality is worth $31K..........hehhehe.
Type R Positive
16-02-2009, 04:23 PM
Aurion's finish/quality is worth $31K..........hehhehe.
Nothing wrong with Toyota.
But is a euro worth over $50k? Hell no!
I asked HA the question yesterday and got the following reply today which doesn't say 'no' we won't get it but rather we're not going to tell when it might be released in OZ:
From: Honda Customer Service
To:
Sent: Mon Feb 16 13:00
Subject: Fwd: RE: Honda Website Contact Form
Dear Mr. Cavallino Rampante
Thank you for your enquiry regarding the new Honda model.
Information regarding new model vehicles is withheld (including release dates) until the launch day.
Information will become available through www.honda.com.au/cars as soon as a public announcement is made.
Alternatively, information will become available through Honda "Newswire" Follow the prompt to subscribe to the newsletter which will be emailed to you direct on a monthly basis.
Honda Customer Service
Type R Positive
16-02-2009, 08:11 PM
In other words, they have NFI.
In other words, they have NFI.
You know, I think my query to them was the first they'd heard of the TSX V6.
blueuro
16-02-2009, 08:41 PM
haha.. would love a v6 euro would finialy shut up holden drivers and there precious little commodores...any in my oppion would be a great car.. but cost i can only immagine as much as love my euro i would pay over 50gs just for a slightly bigger engine
Sludge
16-02-2009, 08:50 PM
Nothing wrong with Toyota.
But is a euro worth over $50k? Hell no!
Settle, I paid over $50k for mine.
Still $10k less than the Liberty or Calais V I was considering.
I asked HA the question yesterday and got the following reply today which doesn't say 'no' we won't get it but rather we're not going to tell when it might be released in OZ:
From: Honda Customer Service
To:
Sent: Mon Feb 16 13:00
Subject: Fwd: RE: Honda Website Contact Form
Dear Mr. Enzo Ferrari
Thank you for your enquiry regarding the new Honda model.
Information regarding new model vehicles is withheld (including release dates) until the launch day.
Information will become available through www.honda.com.au/cars as soon as a public announcement is made.
Alternatively, information will become available through Honda "Newswire" Follow the prompt to subscribe to the newsletter which will be emailed to you direct on a monthly basis.
Honda Customer Service
Hmmmmm. I just read my post again and I'm beginning to think that the V6 might be coming to OZ possibly not long after it goes on sale in the USA in the middle of this year: The message from HA starts with "the new Honda model". Given that the TSX V6 is an Acura model, there must be a Honda version of the V6. They also said "until the launch day."; indicating that there will be a launch day. And they also also (sorry for the Americanism) said that "Information will become available" meaning that they'll have something to announce other than it's not coming; as if it is not coming then they would not even bother mentioning it and most Honda old-fart buyers (which, like me, are the majority who buy Honda cars) would not know any better.
Type R Positive
21-02-2009, 12:31 PM
Interesting indeed, but it is made by Honda after all, and it is a new model.....
Depends if they could be bothered engineering RHD version as well as the seppo version.
tony1234
21-02-2009, 03:57 PM
I doubt we'll see it here in Aust.due to global recession and car companies rationalising their model lineups.I read there's talk about Honda dropping either the Euro or the Accord for the Aust. market.
I doubt we'll see it here in Aust.due to global recession and car companies rationalising their model lineups.I read there's talk about Honda dropping either the Euro or the Accord for the Aust. market.
I seriously doubt they would drop the Euro - since 2003 it has been more successful than the Accord.
tony1234
22-02-2009, 03:59 PM
I seriously doubt they would drop the Euro - since 2003 it has been more successful than the Accord.
It was something i read.If anything I'd say the 4cyl.Accord would go and just keep the Euro and the 6cyl.Accord.
Type R Positive
22-02-2009, 05:39 PM
It was something i read.If anything I'd say the 4cyl.Accord would go and just keep the Euro and the 6cyl.Accord.
I've given up on making sense of Honda.
btw, seen the price of the new City / Jazz sedan? :eek:
I've given up on making sense of Honda.
btw, seen the price of the new City / Jazz sedan? :eek:
Yeah, they don't actually want to sell any.
Interesting indeed, but it is made by Honda after all, and it is a new model.....
Depends if they could be bothered engineering RHD version as well as the seppo version.
They would have designed it for RHD: The TSX is manufactured in Japan.
It was something i read.If anything I'd say the 4cyl.Accord would go and just keep the Euro and the 6cyl.Accord.
I'd think the Accord V6 would get the chop if anything because it is out sold by the 4 cylinder version.
Acura will release a V6 TSX in the middle of this year despite America's car market crashing and burning worse than any other. Why would not HA introduce the Euro V6 in OZ given that our market is not doing too badly and by then the Government would have rubbed real hard and stimulated all of us.
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