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integral90

13-02-2009, 05:34 PM

This is just a thread I'm gonna post in occasionally to keep people updated about my Euro modding journey :p . Justin has one, but obviously he is a pioneer and the stuff he is doing is a lot more interesting and exciting, but I'm going different paths and I would like my experiences to be helpful to others considering doing the same.

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The car is an 08' model Accord Euro Luxury with satnav. The car is shared by my dad and I so the modding has to be done in a way that doesn't painfully intrude on the comfort of the car. The car was bought with some simple factory options such as the 5-spoke gunmetal wheels (approx 2.5kg lighter than stock luxury ones each corner), mudflaps, spoiler, carpets and reverse sensors. When we got the car there was an agreement that it would be left stock for 'a good while'. Obviously my dad's and my interpretation of 'a good while' differed because I got on the case quickly :p .

My first modification was a Comptech 22mm rear sway bar. This was by far the best choice I've made so far for the car and I consider it to everybody as the best cost:benefit modification you can do to a Euro. The car's handling balanced out and the car felt more like a tourer than a luxury car.

With just the sway bar, my lack of track experience and shitty RE040 tyres, the car managed to pull a 1.19.1 at Wakefield and a 16.0 at WSID. Both these times impressed me and gave me some insight into the potential of the CL9 as a chassis, and the K24A3 as an engine.

The follow day after Wakefield I bought a Cusco strut tower bar. My initial reaction to this modification was disappointment, as the car would understeer too easily. In the weeks debating whether to keep it or not my driving slowly adapted and I learnt to drive to accommodate for the sharper turn-in and increased suspension depression. The mod ended up staying because I ended up being quicker with it once I adjusted. I decided that was enough for the handling for now, and I decided to move onto other parts of the car.

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I looked at the intake and saw a lot of restriction there. The thick, fat panel filter, the huge resonators and the unnecessary baffling in the airbox all had to go. I started by removing the resonators and making a cold air feed to the stock airbox. I then debaffled what I could of the stock airbox and sanded it out getting rid of unnecessarily sharp edges and constraints. I saw very little to no increase in power and I concluded the restriction was either in the filter or further down the intake system. Not wanting a really loud intake (Injen, AEM, Fujita etc.) I stuck with the stock intake box and put in a K&N panel filter. Suprisingly this seemed to be the final linkand the car responded well to it. Noise increased slightly but the power increase was very noticeable.

I had - what I thought, was a pretty well-rounded car. I also thought that it was easily on the upper end, if not the top of performance for Euros in Australia... Then I stumbled into the Accord Euro subsection... and I shut up and listened.

I was exposed to ideas and concepts I'd never heard of. Almost ridiculous-sounding gains made with Toda headers, big top end power gains with an RBC, amazingly quick times at Wakefield with the aid of an LSD and coilovers. I realised I knew nothing of the Euro and mine went from being the top, to the bottom very quickly. But I wasn't discouraged, I was inspired.

I took a break from modifying and started saving. I read the Euro threads religiously, looking at what could be done with what, and the results. I worked out what gave the best results and started plotting out my priorities. The Euro became my life and I even named it; 'Eva.' Working on a very small budget initially I was doing everything on the cheap, doing what I could with what I had. I knew the bigger, better parts would come eventually. My 2nd modification to the performance was to remove the large resonator from the b-pipe and replace it with straight pipe. This proved to be $80 well spent, the car instantly jumped in the mid-range (only slightly noticeably) and gave a nice, very subtle gurgle sound. My experience from this, and thus far have told me that (roughly) as a rule of thumb with the Euro, you're looking at about $100 per kW gain at the wheels. Doesn't sound so appealing now eh? :p

After a few more sessions at WSID, with a bit more power than my first time, and a lot more experience I managed to get the car down to 15.5 on a warm night. The street and circuit tell you what your car needs to handle better all the time, but the strip is the only place where you can really figure out exactly what your car needs for straight line. I concluded the car needed much more peak power and shorter gearing to accommodate as it's fundamental straight-line needs.
Video of the 15.5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EstKKc47B48

When things were starting to look up for Eva and I, a tragedy occurred. One cold morning, through a mixture of a weak handbrake cable, a gear that didn't properly engage, gravity and a power pole, Eva bit the dust. The car was damaged pretty badly, from what could be initially seen. We claimed it on insurance and the car went off to a repairer. The damage that I thought I had accounted for was met, and surpassed by a LOT. The whole front right suspension setup had been destroyed, the wheel speed sensor and ABS unit had been annihilated, and then there was the aesthetic damage. Without doubt it was the longest 6 weeks I'd ever had to endure and I started going insane without the car. I would see Euros on the road and get really sentimental and emotional - not healthy for something most people see as "just a car".

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A fuse snapped in my head and I figured, "if I can't have her now, I'll make sure she has some gifts waiting for her when she gets home". I referred back to my modification priority list and looked at my first; headers. It's been discussed a lot how bad the stock Euro headers are, and they really are shocking. They look like a bad bit of contemporary art rather than an efficient part of an engine. I made my mind up and started shopping for headers. Since I'd come onto the Euro forum all I'd heard was about the Toda headers. I did some more heavy research and found them to be a 4-2-1 design with long primaries and a smaller collector than the stock headers. These headers were definitely an improvement, but I wondered if they really were the best option. When I heard about gains upwards of 12kW at the wheels with them, my mind was basically made up. The only problem was the price tag. I'd gone from a Comptech Icebox replica, a resonator removal, and used suspension components to headers that (at the time) cost $2,200AUD+. Apart from objecting to how much they cost, I literally couldn't afford them, not even close. I was bummed out because all I'd heard was how the Todas are superior to every other header etc. and I couldn't afford them.

I looked through Ozhonda and on the net for an alternative. I quickly stumbled across the J's Racing header, also made for the CL7 like the Toda. The price was almost $800AUD cheaper and they had no exposure or reputation. I had heard of J's Racing and I knew they were good, but I assumed there must have been a reason why nobody bought their header. I did some research on American sites and found the main reason why nobody with the K24A Euro is because the headers don't fit... easily :D . The K20 head they're designed for sits slightly lower than the K24 head, so when fitted the header sits higher and conflicts with the subframe. I asked and looked around and the general feedback was that it could be done, but took a lot of time and effort. Still unsure I kept researching and found that the J's Racing header had the exact same piping diameters as the Todas and almost identical primary lengths. The major difference was that the J's Racing doesn't have the flex pipes which (although only slightly) disrupts exhaust flow. My mind was made up, to me $800 > a lot of time and effort. I bought the headers and the order was sent to Japan.

I was unsure where to go next so I decided to focus on the aesthetics, which up until now had been ignored (except for the wheels). I looked at a complete genuine EuroR body kit. Directly from Honda, even with mates rates, I was looking at $2,200 unfitted. It was about $2,200 more than I was willing to spend on a bodykit at that point in time so I abandoned that idea. I did however buy just the EuroR grille for a good price. The grille really adjusts the front of the car from low-end luxury to a more sportey looking 4-door, good mod I thought.

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Sticking somewhere between the budget DIY and quality performance parts, I decided to stick with the aesthetic modding. I decided to sand and polish the stock mufflers to look more similar to the Fujitsubo Legalis R. After 4 hours of sanding/polishing, several mouthfuls of water mixed with dirt and paint powder and 2 VERY sore shoulders, it was done. I think it's a nice subtle touch - also makes the car look lower from the back!

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Eva was due to arrive soon and as the parts piled up I thought... I better keep the pile growing :p . I bought an X-Force 2.5" cat, not as good quality as the headers, but not nearly-as important in it's role. I also bought a 3" Simota power stack filter to attempt to fit into the airbox. The pile grew and took up a big corner of my room, adding to the annoyance (but I think deep down amusement) of my parents, that I was going through with all the things I'd talked about.

Eventually Eva arrived home from her trip. I quickly went to work. I managed to fit the grille without taking off the bumper or snapping/losing any clips. A hard feat if you've ever tried it :p . I put off getting the headers installed because of the install price and the car being out of action for a day or 2 (it's still a shared car). The headers sat in my room waiting for their time to shine. In the weeks after getting the car back I developed my obsession with the RBC intake manifold. I asked endless questions (sorry Aaron, Darren, Justin and Yonas!) to try and collect all I could about what was needed and where I could get it.

Then following Eva's previous luck, she had another accident. I was driving down Epping Road with a moron in a Nissan Pathfinder tailgating me in traffic. I said to my friend in the passenger seat "Look at this moron, as if that thing would out-brake this". A few seconds later, thanks to a prick infront of me in an Astra with very dark tints, my theory was proven right and Eva had a very damaged backside.

We took the car to the insurers but I was okay this time because it was clear that the damage was not nearly as severe as the first time. Although more severe, she was still out within a week.

However when she was in the repair shop I bought a few goodies. A CL7R EuroR gear knob, a P2R gasket for a Civic Si and, ahem... an RBC :D .

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Literally within 20 minutes of the car being home the EuroR knob was on even though a little bit of difficulty was encountered.

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A few days later (today actually) after I'd mustered up the confidence and knowledge to attempt the RBC and P2R gasket, I did. Turned out I was out of my depth entirely but luckily I had the mod bennjamin there with me to help kink out any problems, I really couldn't have done it without him. As I'd been told, the piping no longer fit the stock intake box and I attached an exposed pod to the intake pipe in the engine bay (I'm praying I don't get pulled over). I'm looking to buy an intake pipe for the CL with the RBC, but I haven't sourced one yet. My initial reaction to the pod/RBC was mediocre. I don't like the sound of a big pod at lower rpm WOT, and I thought the Euro had lost it's individuality and sounded like every other Honda with a big pod filter. A few WOT pulls in traffic meant I could only go from about 2,000rpm to 5,000rpm in 2nd gear. I was really disappointed, the car had lost a lot of low end power and I felt no different from 4,000rpm to 5,000rpm. I thought it was the biggest, most expensive mistake I'd made on the car so far. Silly me, judging a book by it's cover... if it's cover consists of WOT from 2,000rpm to 5,000rpm :D . The traffic cleared as I pulled onto a more main road with a few lanes. I put my foot down almost to spite the RBC and a waste of time it had been, 4,000rpm, 5,000rpm, then a feeling I'd never felt in the Euro before. There was actually power at the top. The car rocketed to 6,000rpm and VTEC engaged, the mixture of the sound change and the sudden jolt through the seat dropped my jaw. I knew the RBC was a mod to gain top end, but I had no idea how much it would do, especially with the stock headers still on. For the first time ever Eva actually felt like she wanted to go to 7,000rpm and beyond without being forced to. I completely changed my opinion of the RBC and accepted it as my friend, not foe.

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Well that's all so far as the RBC was put on today. Tomorrow I am getting the header and cat fitted, which should bring in a lot more power and utilise the RBC much more :D . I'll try and update tomorrow night with how everything goes, because the J's Racing header is by far the most untested modification I've done yet.

C&C welcome, if you have any questions or requests I'll do my best!

bennjamin

13-02-2009, 05:46 PM

rofl.

btw anyone to thank for all the annoying questions and hard hard t-shirt less labour ? :)

SHOGUNOVDDRK

13-02-2009, 05:48 PM

Its ok Ben, we love you.

Must say i need to get my Ass into teh Ground and see this @ one of Darrens Cruises :)

power_of_dreams

13-02-2009, 05:58 PM

was a good read. are you planning on anything to counter the loss/defecit in low end?

integral90

13-02-2009, 06:01 PM

was a good read. are you planning on anything to counter the loss/defecit in low end?

Thanks for reading the whole thing :) . I know the headers will basically take the stock power curve and increase it without changing the curve. Won't flatten out the torque curve but it should give me back the torque I lost plus a lot more AND it will increase the top end a lot as the RBC can push more air in because there isn't a traffic jam in the headers :D

Hopefully the TSX throttle body and proper intake will give some gains down low. But to really gain the torque down low I think I will need to do cams

bennjamin

13-02-2009, 06:02 PM

should be more interesting when you get that header on. then cams then tune lol

felixd

13-02-2009, 08:05 PM

nice mods similar intake like mine :D u should smoothed ur bottom part of the air box aswell like mine :D

EuroAccord13

14-02-2009, 01:59 AM

Good luck with the car! I'm sure you will get something good out of it just as I have.
You will find good gains with the RBC after a good tune, I have and I'm loving it!!!!! Not to mention the sound of the intake at WOT...

CHEERS~

Euro08Jaz

14-02-2009, 03:55 AM

Great read, read every word very interesting also i sympathize being in a similar situation as well. Good luck!

Crapdaz

14-02-2009, 10:31 AM

nice read lucky you, if you got the TB spacer you won't be able to fit that stock pipe cause it won't make it around the battery.

but then it might just be my replaced battery which was slightly bigger in size.

Rein

14-02-2009, 03:35 PM

i know this is a stupid question.. but umn.. what's an RBC? what is it for? How much and where to get them? because it sounds like a great mod and i want one. thanks

johnprocter

14-02-2009, 04:07 PM

There about $550 from jdmyard i think from memory, thats about all i know about it :P except that its a good value for money mod !

integral90

14-02-2009, 04:10 PM

i know this is a stupid question.. but umn.. what's an RBC? what is it for? How much and where to get them? because it sounds like a great mod and i want one. thanks

RBC is the intake manifold off the JDM CL7R and the USDM Civic Si. It replaces the RBB's long thing runner with short fat ones to get as much air in the cylinder as possible, which makes it more suited to high rpm and VTEC when air flow is at it's highest :D JDMyard sell them if you pre-order for I think $550.

The headers and cat went on today, tonight I'll post up the pictures and write up my thoughts etc. Thanks for all the comments etc. I hope to write a lot more in this thread that might help people :wave:

johnprocter

14-02-2009, 04:12 PM

just a suggestion wait a few days b4 u comment on the headers and cat cause when i installed my headers and exhaust it took a few days to feel the real difference ! i think ECU needed to learn?

integral90

14-02-2009, 04:22 PM

just a suggestion wait a few days b4 u comment on the headers and cat cause when i installed my headers and exhaust it took a few days to feel the real difference ! i think ECU needed to learn?

Yeah of course man, you're right. But I was gonna post pictures and initial thoughts/reaction. To be honest I'm waiting for the ecu to re-adjust properly because the gains weren't that amazing initially. To be fair I had the stock heavy-ass exhaust in the trunk and a passenger but it should adjust a lot more :D

johnprocter

14-02-2009, 04:23 PM

yeah man when i first installed my headers and exhaust i was like wtf LOL this is shit.... then after a few days i was like **** YEAH thats what iam talking about hahaha

Crapdaz

14-02-2009, 04:40 PM

what you can do is after install when ecu is just plugged back in, drive in slowly when engine is warm Vtec it a couple of times and should help it adjust quicker.

hooyn

14-02-2009, 05:42 PM

looking forward to seeing how you got the headers to fit. im tossing up between j's or toda

power_of_dreams

14-02-2009, 11:09 PM

looking forward to the pics/comments!

integral90

15-02-2009, 12:26 AM

Okay guys, J's Racing Header is on and running! Performance Exhaust Centre in Northmead did an amazing job and I recommend them to everybody!

Installation
The install went suprisingly smoothly and involved most of what I expected. Simple things like rotating the o2 sensor bung on the header and adding one after the cat were easily taken care of. The more complex parts like 'modifying' the subframe also went very well.

Started the morning off by getting the car on the hoist and taking some rough measurements of what needed to be done to what and which approach to take.

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Then the stock headers and cat were taken off.

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Here you can really see the difference in runner length, width and overall quality of the headers.

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After a test-fit comes the tricky part. Because the J's Racing Header was designed solely for use in the CL7 (K20A engine) as opposed to the Toda header which was designed for use in both CL7 and CL9, the J's Racing Header is not a direct fit into the CL9. The head in the K20A is shorter than that of the K24A, meaning when you fit the header to a K24A it sits higher and doesn't clear the subframe. This is solved by simply 'modifying' (technical term for heating up and beating the shit out of) the subframe. Heating the metal allows the fibres to expand, so when they're stretched/moved they don't shatter. This causes no loss in strength to the subframe but makes it possible to bend it. I had read that the modifying takes upwards of 3 hours to complete, and that is a ridiculous overstatement. With a casual pace inbetween conversations and distractions, the subframe was completely finished within about an hour.

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You can see the difference from the first to the third picture easily.

After the modification was done the header bolted straight on with no problem.

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A nice shot of Eva showing the polished mufflers.

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The face of boredom and disinterest.

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The o2 sensor bung on the J's Racing rotated 180 degrees.

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After the cat had been extended and the o2 sensor bungs added a whole final test-fit was done.

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This is the swivel joint/flange the J's Racing uses that eliminates the need for a flex pipe and the obstruction of flow that comes with it.

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Finally all finished, good to go!

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(The other reason I like their workshop)

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Thoughts:

Going from open pipe for so long back to closed pipe, it was no suprise the car sounded quieter. I just had no idea how quiet it would be. On start up and cruising it sounds stock, and under WOT you can't even hear it over the intake, except for a slight hissing sound. Personally I think the car sounded a lot better before the headers, but eventually when the catback is changed it should sound even nicer with them :) . I'm tempted to try running open pipe again but I have a feeling it will be ridiculously loud.

Obviously having only done this today the ecu hasn't re-learnt yet, so anything I say isn't conclusive. Eva seemed to like the headers straight away and the affection grew after a few hours with them. It's no down-low torque monster thanks to the RBC but when going easy on the throttle and not revving high at all it'll easily go from 0 - 70km/h in a matter of about around 7 to 8 seconds. With the current weather it's really hard to gauge any difference in the power but the car doesn't seem to bog into 2nd as much, if at all anymore (a problem I bitched about endlessly before). Pulling onto the motorway about 10 minutes after the car had been started with the new headers I did a rough 0-100km/h. Starting from a very soft launch, slightly downhill with a terrible shift into 2nd (car really needs new transmission fluid :( ) and some shit in the boot I managed around a mid-7 second I think. If that's accurate then assumably a 0-100km/h in the 6-second range is possible with the right launch and a good shift.

I won't go into too much detail about the difference in peak power or torque just yet because it's too early to say. But I have already concluded that a fair bit of power is trapped in my sorry excuse for an intake and catback.

Will keep you updated when the ecu adjusts and everything. I'm also waiting on my TSX 64mm throttle body and intake. Then I think I'll get a custom catback made up and do a dyno run :)

Once again, C&C welcomed!

giant_mongrel

15-02-2009, 12:05 PM

good read
waiting to see how that throttle body goes

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like daz said, warmed engine then WOT 3-4 times to help the ecu relearn

integral90

15-02-2009, 12:08 PM

good read
waiting to see how that throttle body goes

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like daz said, warmed engine then WOT 3-4 times to help the ecu relearn

Was sent on the 14th from America, so hopefully it arrives on the Wednesday or so. Easy install though, even with my broken shitty tools I should be able to do it in <20 minutes.

As the ecu adjusts I can feel more and more that all I've done is increased the size of the bottle, but there's still a bottle neck. Only difference was the bottle neck used to be after the intake pipe and before the catback, now it's the other way round :p

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ALSO if anybody is interested in buying an 06+ K24A2 throttle body or a J32A2 throttle body I got mine cheap from this eBay store, http://stores.ebay.com/OEM-Imported-Engines_W0QQcolZ2QQdirZQ2d1QQfsubZQ2d999QQftidZ2QQ tZkm .

power_of_dreams

15-02-2009, 01:08 PM

If you don't mind me asking, how much was install for the extractors/cat

integral90

15-02-2009, 01:17 PM

If you don't mind me asking, how much was install for the extractors/cat

They used the price they quoted me a few weeks ago of $350. Very good value because the JDM flange costs $50 on it's own. But they had to weld in two o2 sensors and extend the cat to fit. All up it's still a $450 saving on the Toda for a set up which should perform as well or better than it.

corn_flakes

15-02-2009, 01:20 PM

The face of boredom and disinterest.

dude, u spent valentines day installing headers???? LOL! :D

integral90

15-02-2009, 01:21 PM

Tried to show both the girls a good time :D

CB7_OWNER

15-02-2009, 01:56 PM

Sounds good!,, Looks like another tastefully modified Euro coming up.. keep it up!

euromandeluxe

15-02-2009, 05:05 PM

Cool build :thumbsup:

How exactly did you go about with the sanding and polishing of the mufflers? Did you take them off the car? Mine are dirty as a bi*ch and are desperate for a clean! What products do you need or whatever?

I think I'll join in with the car naming trend: Shyla. :)

INVSBL

15-02-2009, 08:20 PM

wow awesome read, and lol u really love ur car (not a bad thing, but cant be to bad u do hav a gf :p)

good to see ur doing great mods with a well planned future, best of luck with the car and future modifications/

integral90

15-02-2009, 10:44 PM

Sounds good!,, Looks like another tastefully modified Euro coming up.. keep it up!

wow awesome read, and lol u really love ur car (not a bad thing, but cant be to bad u do hav a gf :p)

good to see ur doing great mods with a well planned future, best of luck with the car and future modifications/

Thanks guys! It's support like this that fuels the fire :D

Cool build :thumbsup:

How exactly did you go about with the sanding and polishing of the mufflers? Did you take them off the car? Mine are dirty as a bi*ch and are desperate for a clean! What products do you need or whatever?

I think I'll join in with the car naming trend: Shyla. :)

You can only take 1 of the mufflers off, and I definitely recommend that as it makes it a bit easier. You'll need a few different grit sand papers (I used those sand paper blocks), a spray thing of water, metal polish and a rough old towel.

First just sand off all the paint with the rough sand paper, then go over again getting all the bits you missed with some higher grit sand paper then finish with higher grit getting in all the cracks and tight places. Keep spraying it with water as you go over it, as the paint sits there as powder and you can't tell if you've got it or not until you spray it away. Once that's all done use a generous amount of metal polish and lightly spread it all over the mufflers. Then use the towel and rub the mufflers VERY hard. Once you've got all the polish off spray the mufflers off and clean them again with a towel.

Type R Positive

16-02-2009, 12:01 AM

dude, u spent valentines day installing headers???? LOL! :DNow thats a true romantic!!! :cool:

tim-e

16-02-2009, 03:03 PM

Tried to show both the girls a good time :D
Bwahahahahaha!

Love your work thus far... it's given me food for thought. Maybe later this year...

johnprocter

16-02-2009, 03:23 PM

Btw i can also vouch for the same place he got all his stuff installed, got headers and exhaust installed their, great work and good price!

integral90

16-02-2009, 03:38 PM

Bwahahahahaha!

Love your work thus far... it's given me food for thought. Maybe later this year...

Thanks man, what are you looking at doing?

Now thats a true romantic!!! :cool:

Atleast I know one of them got spoilt on Valentine's Day.

Btw i can also vouch for the same place he got all his stuff installed, got headers and exhaust installed their, great work and good price!

Sweet man, yeah they're great - nice guys too! What headers and exhaust do you have? Did you swap cat too?

johnprocter

16-02-2009, 03:55 PM

DC sports header and J's racing titanium single outlet exhaust, stock cat dude i dunno if i can change the cat cause its a titanium catback ? do they weld the cat onto the exhaust or is it bolt on? i 4got to ask hakken

EUR003act

16-02-2009, 03:58 PM

johnprocter

16-02-2009, 04:00 PM

EUR003act

16-02-2009, 04:03 PM

rofl do you have any RBC's left?

i have one but its cut down to fit a K20 cylinder head (no coolant bypass)...

and im thinking of keeping that for my display engine... lol yes i have a display engine lol shhhhh :zip:

johnprocter

16-02-2009, 04:04 PM

LOL btw do aftermarket cats/high flow cats get bolted onto the exhaust or welded? i have a titanium catback and duno if i can put a aftermarket cat on cause u cant really weld anything to titanium (well barely any shops can do it in aus)

EUR003act

16-02-2009, 04:10 PM

akina

16-02-2009, 08:40 PM

This thing is gonna be a bigger beast than Justin's :eek: hahaha

EUR003act

16-02-2009, 09:00 PM

This thing is gonna be a bigger beast than Justin's :eek: hahaha

you back from holidays buddy!?!?

coming on the batemans bay cruise??!

akina

16-02-2009, 09:19 PM

next week :D

we'll see what happens, seems a little far lol...

integral90

16-02-2009, 11:03 PM

congrats on your own thread buddy!

hehehe thanks for mentioning me :p

hopefully ill get my rsp on next week some time, im going over to Evs house tonight to try fix that exhaust rattle, again!!! lol

then ill let you know about the intake :thumbsup:

this is gonna sound weird, but can i buy your old exhaust manifold off you? lol i just need the top of the headers lol

cheers!

you coming to the batemans bay cruise? im thinking of bringing up heaps of parts and having like a car boot sale :p lol

Thanks man, your thread was the inspiration, hehe. Can't wait for your RSP results, if they're incredible there might be another RBC on the market soon. What gasket does the RSP use? Just a normal K20a one like RBC?

I'd prefer to keep all my oem parts lying around as I have been. But I'll see if I can let the header go, I'm not sure how much they go for?

I'm 99% on the Bateman's Bay cruise. If you bring parts for a garage sale I'll bring my wallet, lol. Just make sure you post up what you're gonna be bringing if you do bring stuff. Waiting anxiously for intake!!! :p

DC sports header and J's racing titanium single outlet exhaust, stock cat dude i dunno if i can change the cat cause its a titanium catback ? do they weld the cat onto the exhaust or is it bolt on? i 4got to ask hakken

Because my header has the JDM flange but the catback has the normal flange they left the whole thing as bolt on. So my exhaust can be split from the headers to the cat to the catback, easily done. Nothing is welded to anything else, meaning no cutting is required if I wanna swap 1 part :D . How were the gains with the DC sports header? How is the J's racing catback? Does the car feel like it's breathing well at high rpm?

This thing is gonna be a bigger beast than Justin's :eek: hahaha

"It's a tall order, but we're taller" :p

As I said though, different approaches. I think I'm doing a few things Justin isn't/hasn't done yet such as cams and I'm looking to swap final drive soon. But it should be interesting to see the final results with different approaches.

Justin's is the king in my eyes and my ideas have basically all been inspired by him. When we both deem our respective cars as 'finished' it should be interesting to see the differences, but I still think he'll be on top :(

Update

I'm still waiting on the throttle body which I hope will arrive in the next few days. The RBC has really taken it's toll on low end torque, and the more I drive the car and stop being distracted by the sound the more I realise it's not that much quicker either even with headers.

I've concluded that all I've done is increased the size of the bottle neck and moved it around. The RBC loses low end torque because of turbulence in the runners as air doesn't travel straight in large thin runners unless there's huge engine vacuum pulling it in. I think that to actually benefit from an RBC manifold a few things need to be done.

1. Increase the bore of the RBC intake
2. Increase throttle body size to match
3. Have an air intake that can easily suck in more air than the TB/RBC can digest.

Thinking about it logically today while bored at work, I realised that the RBC's design ruins a bit of low end torque to make more peak power. It makes that peak power by being able to handle more air flow. But there's no point to this additional potential for air flow if the air isn't there, you've only taken away bottom end torque and replaced it with nothing. The throttle body is still a big limitation and the intake before that, so when they're replaced the benefits of high rpm with the RBC should be much more noticeable. Right now the car feels like an athlete would running a marathon breathing through a straw. The potential is there but the problem is right at the beginning.

Same problem can be said for the exhaust now, but reversed. As you can see in the last picture of the setup, the 2.5" pipe from the cat drops dramatically at basically a right-angle to 2 1/8" or so. A drop of 15% in pipe size in a matter of a millimeter. What's worse is that replacing my removed resonator is a bit of pipe that I only realised when the car was on the hoist, is 2". So there is a huge 20% drop in pipe size in a matter of about 40cm. A DC2R uses a 2.25" exhaust system stock, and that's a 1.8L, so something tells me 2" for a 2.4L isn't very well-suited.

I originally estimated about a 22kw gain at the wheels with these mods, but thanks to my sorry excuses for a catback and intake I think it's more around the 10kw mark, if that. This, however, isn't a huge problem as it's easily solved. I've already spoken to Hakaan and he's quoted me for a full custom 2.5" catback system that will have less bends than the competitive aftermarket exhausts and cost a fraction of the price.

When the catback, intake and throttle body are all properly done I will definitely get the car dyno'd and take it back to WSID. If I could crack the 135kw atw mark I'd be ecstatic. If I could crack the 14's I'd be trippin' balls :p

Updates with the TSX throttle body coming when it arrives/I put it on

power_of_dreams

16-02-2009, 11:13 PM

damn that sucks. nothing worse than a ball-less low end on an already ball-less N/A 4

johnprocter

16-02-2009, 11:50 PM

man honestly give the ECU a few more days to adjust, i felt exactly like you when i first got the stuff installed but after a week shit, such a big diff, with the DC sports header and the single outlet titanium exhaust i found it breathes ALOT better in the upper RPM and dam VTEC is so much more noticeable when it kicks in, and the sound at WOT is just scary sometimes with the SRI and exhaust together LOL.

INVSBL

16-02-2009, 11:56 PM

haha im guessing the engine is telling to not leave vtec and stay with the power :p

dont know bout ur fuel econmy when u do that though.....

Crapdaz

17-02-2009, 06:35 AM

hahahah nice read liam,

depends mainly on your intake since your running the stock intake still, there is too much limitations on the size and how it's structured, once you get justins intake you will find it different again.

ATM i am assuming your running a drop in K&N in your stock box....

If you drive my car, it does sound very quite to be honest....vtec engaging is pretty quite too.

integral90

17-02-2009, 08:13 AM

damn that sucks. nothing worse than a ball-less low end on an already ball-less N/A 4

I know :( But hopefully she'll have some huge balls when the intake and exhaust are properly finished :D

man honestly give the ECU a few more days to adjust, i felt exactly like you when i first got the stuff installed but after a week shit, such a big diff, with the DC sports header and the single outlet titanium exhaust i found it breathes ALOT better in the upper RPM and dam VTEC is so much more noticeable when it kicks in, and the sound at WOT is just scary sometimes with the SRI and exhaust together LOL.

The car has been driven for about 6 hours since the header went on, I think if it was going to adjust it would have by now. But still, atleast I know where the problem is now

haha im guessing the engine is telling to not leave vtec and stay with the power :p

dont know bout ur fuel econmy when u do that though.....

Fuel economy has gone up pretty suprisingly. Was on exactly a quarter of a tank last night and it said I had another 160km before I needed to fill up. Roughly worked out that comes out to around 620km from a full tank in street driving, which is pretty good :wave:

hahahah nice read liam,

depends mainly on your intake since your running the stock intake still, there is too much limitations on the size and how it's structured, once you get justins intake you will find it different again.

ATM i am assuming your running a drop in K&N in your stock box....

If you drive my car, it does sound very quite to be honest....vtec engaging is pretty quite too.

Check the pics on the first page, I couldn't get the stock pipe back onto the box so I'm just running an el'cheapo pod filter until I can buy a proper intake. Seeing as Justin ported the RBC to 64mm and the throttle body now is 60mm, that's already a big waste of potential. I think cause the pod is right inbetween the fuse box and the battery and sort of facing down into the engine bay the sound is very violent. That really deep grumble you get from a pod but you also feel it vibrate the engine bay :o

Time will tell I guess

Crapdaz

17-02-2009, 09:23 AM

I know :( But hopefully she'll have some huge balls when the intake and exhaust are properly finished :D

The car has been driven for about 6 hours since the header went on, I think if it was going to adjust it would have by now. But still, atleast I know where the problem is now

Fuel economy has gone up pretty suprisingly. Was on exactly a quarter of a tank last night and it said I had another 160km before I needed to fill up. Roughly worked out that comes out to around 620km from a full tank in street driving, which is pretty good :wave:

Check the pics on the first page, I couldn't get the stock pipe back onto the box so I'm just running an el'cheapo pod filter until I can buy a proper intake. Seeing as Justin ported the RBC to 64mm and the throttle body now is 60mm, that's already a big waste of potential. I think cause the pod is right inbetween the fuse box and the battery and sort of facing down into the engine bay the sound is very violent. That really deep grumble you get from a pod but you also feel it vibrate the engine bay :o

Time will tell I guess

Yeah hey sorry i totally forgot....

You are sucking in hot air so less gains, you still have the CAI feed to the pod?
When you have time and money get a K&N makes the biggest difference, from what i found when compared the K&N apollo filter to the AEM pod filter. (1 oiled + other is dry)

looks good though better than my dodgy piece of crap. :p

rayb3na_

17-02-2009, 09:39 AM

what a ****ing awesome write up!!

power_of_dreams

17-02-2009, 11:35 AM

integral90, are you planning on getting an SRI?

Crapdaz

17-02-2009, 11:53 AM

no his waiting on eur003act's CAI custom setup.

any aftermarket fitted intake won't fit it with RBC installed.

power_of_dreams

17-02-2009, 12:12 PM

no his waiting on eur003act's CAI custom setup.

any aftermarket fitted intake won't fit it with RBC installed.

Is that because of the battery positioning?

Crapdaz

17-02-2009, 12:57 PM

Is that because of the battery positioning?

No it's because the RBC has shorter runners which brings the throttle body positioning higher up.

So your premade angles of SRI or CAI intakes such as injen will need to be modified or customed new piping to be manufactured to suit.

If you add the TB spacer such as the P2R like i did it will push the TB further out which then won't clear the battery.

As you can see Liam is still using the stock intake pipe so it's fine, and has a stock battery which is smaller than larger CCA batteries.

racerwannabe

17-02-2009, 05:38 PM

Sorry to kinda go off topic...but does the p2r gasket for the civic si fit the accord euro with the standard intake manifold?

power_of_dreams

17-02-2009, 05:59 PM

George euro

17-02-2009, 06:37 PM

lol thats way to much info for me, id love to read but im not back at uni yet :p

integral90

17-02-2009, 11:19 PM

Yeah hey sorry i totally forgot....

You are sucking in hot air so less gains, you still have the CAI feed to the pod?
When you have time and money get a K&N makes the biggest difference, from what i found when compared the K&N apollo filter to the AEM pod filter. (1 oiled + other is dry)

looks good though better than my dodgy piece of crap. :p

The cold air feed was directly connected to the intake box so it left with it :( that diy airbox served me well, I salute it

what a ****ing awesome write up!!

Thank you! Your car is so quick!

Sorry to kinda go off topic...but does the p2r gasket for the civic si fit the accord euro with the standard intake manifold?

The P2R gasket for the 06+ Civic Si only fits Euro with RBC. You'd just buy one for a Euro otherwise.

they look different
http://powerrevextras.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=9&osCsid=68caef0fbf749d24c415174fdab61647

integral90, you've just got the gasket right and not the spacer right?

I've got the P2R intake manifold gasket but not the throttle body one or spacer yet. I might buy Justin's P2R TB thermal gasket and bore it out to 64mm :D

lol thats way to much info for me, id love to read but im not back at uni yet :p

I totally understand, lol. First post was only meant to be 500 words or so, but I started typing and didn't stop for 45 minutes, 6500 words later it was done :p

Crapdaz

18-02-2009, 06:59 AM

Sorry to kinda go off topic...but does the p2r gasket for the civic si fit the accord euro with the standard intake manifold?

they look different
http://powerrevextras.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=9&osCsid=68caef0fbf749d24c415174fdab61647

integral90, you've just got the gasket right and not the spacer right?

You guys are talking about the P2R intake manifold gasket or are you talking about the P2R Throttle body spacer gasket?

2 different things.

Civic Si TB gasket (if you get TB spacer + TB gasket this one will work)
do not buy TSX designed ones cause the port holes in the TSX are different.
http://www.powerrevracing.com/store/images/06sithrottle.jpg

TSX OR CIVIC SI INTAKE MANIFOLD GASKET (GOES BETWEEN THE CYLINDER HEAD + INTAKE MANIFOLD JUST AFTER THE INJECTORS SECTION)
http://www.powerrevracing.com/store/images/tsx%20-%2006%20si%20%28Small%29.jpg

k24 thermal INTAKE MANIFOLD GASKET (this one goes or can go in the stock manifold in the mid section pipe)
http://www.powerrevracing.com/store/images/k244.jpg

The cold air feed was directly connected to the intake box so it left with it :( that diy airbox served me well, I salute it

Thank you! Your car is so quick!

The P2R gasket for the 06+ Civic Si only fits Euro with RBC. You'd just buy one for a Euro otherwise.

I've got the P2R intake manifold gasket but not the throttle body one or spacer yet. I might buy Justin's P2R TB thermal gasket and bore it out to 64mm :D

I totally understand, lol. First post was only meant to be 500 words or so, but I started typing and didn't stop for 45 minutes, 6500 words later it was done :p

Hey mang you should get another CAI pipe done it'll serve you well again.

Crapdaz

18-02-2009, 07:03 AM

Liam i am assuming you got the P2r intake manifold gasket that goes between the head and injectors.

Racerwannabe - The 2 intake manifold gaskets i posted in the above post can go on the stock (RBB) i was running that for a few weeks before i ended up chucking the RBC which i then kept the (middle picture) gasket and sold the other one.

power_of_dreams

18-02-2009, 12:04 PM

You guys are talking about the P2R intake manifold gasket or are you talking about the P2R Throttle body spacer gasket?

2 different things.

Civic Si TB gasket (if you get TB spacer + TB gasket this one will work)
do not buy TSX designed ones cause the port holes in the TSX are different.

Thanks for the heads up. I'm a bit confused by the wording, but I was talking about the one between the throttle body and the intake manifold (the throttle body spacer gasket I'm assuming?) as opposed to the one between the IM and the head itself.

I understand that without the spacer, you only need one gasket, do you know which one exactly?

Crapdaz

18-02-2009, 02:54 PM

Thanks for the heads up. I'm a bit confused by the wording, but I was talking about the one between the throttle body and the intake manifold (the throttle body spacer gasket I'm assuming?) as opposed to the one between the IM and the head itself.

I understand that without the spacer, you only need one gasket, do you know which one exactly?

no,

There are 2 intake manifold gaskets,
if u use RBC then you only use head/injector one.

if u use RBB you can use both head/injector one; and K24 thermal one.

if you use the spacer you should get the (2 of) TB gasket and change to extended studs, else you can just use the stock TB gasket with the RBC.

Hope this clarifies things better.

racerwannabe

18-02-2009, 06:27 PM

racerwannabe

18-02-2009, 06:40 PM

Integral, this a great euro build thread. keep up the good work. Nice to see an euro with different headers than the rest :thumbsup:

George euro

18-02-2009, 08:03 PM

lol 6500 words later it was done, it was too long for me at 6450 :)

integral90

18-02-2009, 09:57 PM

lol 6500 words later it was done, it was too long for me at 6450 :)
Well tell me when you've finally read through the whole thing :wave:

Integral, this a great euro build thread. keep up the good work. Nice to see an euro with different headers than the rest :thumbsup:
Thanks man! As I said before the J's Racing seem to the same as the Todas but without flex pipe. Should be interesting to see the power they make with a proper catback!

Liam i am assuming you got the P2r intake manifold gasket that goes between the head and injectors.
Yeah the thermal intake manifold gasket. Do you reckon with a bit more airflow it might fill in the gap in the torque down low?

Crapdaz

19-02-2009, 07:27 AM

Thanks Dazza. Why did you go back to RBB?

rofl no i got the gaskets before installed on the RBB, then said to myself fk it i am going RBC so bought it all before AUD sucked donkeys balls.

so when i did install the RBC i didn't need the middle section gasket which i sold already.

Well tell me when you've finally read through the whole thing :wave:

Thanks man! As I said before the J's Racing seem to the same as the Todas but without flex pipe. Should be interesting to see the power they make with a proper catback!

Yeah the thermal intake manifold gasket. Do you reckon with a bit more airflow it might fill in the gap in the torque down low?
well because you got a short ram it already improves it; with my CAI now fully setup i can feel the low end torque has lost a little.

so just try feed a cold pipe to it to feed cold air.

integral90

19-02-2009, 09:06 PM

well because you got a short ram it already improves it; with my CAI now fully setup i can feel the low end torque has lost a little.

so just try feed a cold pipe to it to feed cold air.

I've definitely gotta have a go at driving your car!

TSX throttle body is taking it's god damn time :(

Crapdaz

20-02-2009, 07:10 AM

I've definitely gotta have a go at driving your car!

TSX throttle body is taking it's god damn time :(

yeh you can give it a go just have to watchout for my bodykit now...

plus you will notice the diff cause of your high end headers man! :p

integral90

22-02-2009, 03:31 PM

Update

Today while driving home from a friend's house my engine light came on, I was just cruising, had gone WOT for about 1 second for the whole drive and properly warmed the car up and everything. I'm hoping the MAP sensor in the RBC is loose and giving weird readings and it's not to do with the o2 sensor in the exhaust as that will require a lot more work :( . Not a big deal, but I just don't like having it there, makes me feel like the car is dying...

On another more positive note my throttle body should be arriving tomorrow (key word being 'SHOULD') and I can properly re-fit the MAP sensor if it is actually the problem. Other than that, the ecu seems to have fully adjusted and the power is noticeably increased from the day or 2 after the RBC and headers were installed which is good :)

Will post as things come up!

johnprocter

22-02-2009, 03:37 PM

Crapdaz

22-02-2009, 03:44 PM

check yoru sensors on your cat?

and on your RBC

integral90

22-02-2009, 03:47 PM

check yoru sensors on your cat?

and on your RBC

The one on the RBC seems fine, it's always been a little loose but maybe it's just passed the limit?

I don't think there's any point checking the ones on the cat, if it's them then I need a defouler. The cat I bought is 400cel, the stock one on the 06+ is 600cel. Hakaan and myself both thought that drop was too small for the engine light to come on but maybe not... Could it be that the ecu has finally 100% adjusted and finally thinks something is wrong?

Crapdaz

22-02-2009, 09:08 PM

The one on the RBC seems fine, it's always been a little loose but maybe it's just passed the limit?

I don't think there's any point checking the ones on the cat, if it's them then I need a defouler. The cat I bought is 400cel, the stock one on the 06+ is 600cel. Hakaan and myself both thought that drop was too small for the engine light to come on but maybe not... Could it be that the ecu has finally 100% adjusted and finally thinks something is wrong?
yeh could be because you dropped it the sensors think it's polluting too much so you get the check light.

So might need to get a defouler or something, to amend the problem.

I am running 300cell hi flow ceramic cat and havent had any problems, but then might be because of dCsports headers are more restrictive than your j's racing.

integral90

22-02-2009, 10:21 PM

yeh could be because you dropped it the sensors think it's polluting too much so you get the check light.

So might need to get a defouler or something, to amend the problem.

I am running 300cell hi flow ceramic cat and havent had any problems, but then might be because of dCsports headers are more restrictive than your j's racing.

Damn, and you've never got CEL? Where is your 2nd o2 sensor and is it already in an extended bung? I'm thinking the easiest fix would be to find a nut the same thread as the o2 sensor and weld it onto the existing bung maybe... Can't find a defouler anywhere!

Crapdaz

23-02-2009, 06:26 AM

Damn, and you've never got CEL? Where is your 2nd o2 sensor and is it already in an extended bung? I'm thinking the easiest fix would be to find a nut the same thread as the o2 sensor and weld it onto the existing bung maybe... Can't find a defouler anywhere!
No CEL since i put it on early 1-2yr ago.

On my Random tech CAT it has the 2 sensor holes already welded and threaded so all i had to do was plug and play the sensors into it.

No modifications required.

integral90

23-02-2009, 02:22 PM

No CEL since i put it on early 1-2yr ago.

On my Random tech CAT it has the 2 sensor holes already welded and threaded so all i had to do was plug and play the sensors into it.

No modifications required.

Damn man you lucky... are you sure your cat is 300CEL? Maybe your bungs already have a de-fouler or something.

Haha, got a routine service on Friday, technician's gonna be like "wtf..."

Still no TSX throttle body FFS, lazy Americans! :p

Crapdaz

23-02-2009, 02:38 PM

Damn man you lucky... are you sure your cat is 300CEL? Maybe your bungs already have a de-fouler or something.

Haha, got a routine service on Friday, technician's gonna be like "wtf..."

Still no TSX throttle body FFS, lazy Americans! :p
damn want to get lightweight f/w but will cost too many dowlarZ!

300cell it is.

Here just something to glance on
http://tsx.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=697022

EUR003act

23-02-2009, 03:28 PM

Damn man you lucky... are you sure your cat is 300CEL? Maybe your bungs already have a de-fouler or something.

Haha, got a routine service on Friday, technician's gonna be like "wtf..."

Still no TSX throttle body FFS, lazy Americans! :p

im also running a 300cel metal cat... never had CEL... just lucky i guess :D

integral90

23-02-2009, 03:37 PM

Anything to do with you 2 being pre-06'? Maybe the sensor is different or the ecu is a little more picky.

Update

Just got a quote for my catback. Going 2.5" the whole way with a single angled cannon. Should be considerably lighter than the stock system and perform better than a dual :D

Crapdaz

23-02-2009, 05:32 PM

dual can be good too but depends on how well the angles are.

depends on your choice on dual or single look.

integral90

23-02-2009, 09:34 PM

I think dual gives a more luxury performance look but in my honest opinion it looks a little wanky when you remember the car's only 4 cylinder. 1 angled cannon should give a more raw, performance look but still keep the car looking classy.

bennjamin

23-02-2009, 10:38 PM

1 angled cannon should give a more raw, performance look but still keep the car looking classy.

that is contradicting - canon and classy in the same sentence NO.

stick with a actual muffler , offset oval muffler polished looksnice

johnprocter

23-02-2009, 10:53 PM

yeah sick benjamin lets all spend extra money on our car to make it look more stock.

integral90

23-02-2009, 11:23 PM

that is contradicting - canon and classy in the same sentence NO.

stick with a actual muffler , offset oval muffler polished looksnice

I'd like to be able to keep the dual oval mufflers, but as I said. This catback will be made with 3 things in mind; performance, weight and price.

I have actually reconsidered the muffler being a cannon, but the oval mufflers are more expensive. Just trying to imagine what would look better on the Euro, as they'll both basically weigh and perform the same.

tony1234

24-02-2009, 06:29 AM

Cannons nooooooooo.:thumbdwn:They sound farty.Go with a good quality oval muffler like Magnaflow.

Crapdaz

24-02-2009, 06:33 AM

integral90

24-02-2009, 07:33 AM

like my rice bucket? hahaha :p

Haha! You're a lot of the reason I considered a cannon. But I think your cannon looks good because of your smoked tails and the fact your car is so low. Cannons look dumb on 4WDs like mine :o

I'll post up some of my current thoughts tonight if I have time, maybe get some feedback (it's not thoughts about the exhaust)

Crapdaz

24-02-2009, 08:25 AM

Haha! You're a lot of the reason I considered a cannon. But I think your cannon looks good because of your smoked tails and the fact your car is so low. Cannons look dumb on 4WDs like mine :o

I'll post up some of my current thoughts tonight if I have time, maybe get some feedback (it's not thoughts about the exhaust)

rofl mine is not a full cannon though if you look into muffler it's 2.5" LOL

thnx for the compliment my heads getting bigger! can't wait to see your car finished.

bennjamin

24-02-2009, 09:04 AM

yeah sick benjamin lets all spend extra money on our car to make it look more stock.

Isnt that the idea ? Something subtle and nice , nice tone and the performance.....still shows everyone you spent money on your car ;)
Id much rather that ,, than a gay looking cannon muffler screaming at every RPM everywhere you go. It looks nasty (think modified lancers and mirages with droopy cannons)
:thumbsup:

Crapdaz

24-02-2009, 09:08 AM

Isnt that the idea ? Something subtle and nice , nice tone and the performance.....still shows everyone you spent money on your car ;)
Id much rather that ,, than a gay looking cannon muffler screaming at every RPM everywhere you go. It looks nasty (think modified lancers and mirages with droopy cannons)
:thumbsup:

Ben, better than hyundai excels with droopy CANNONS that sound like nuggets on the run! :p

bennjamin

24-02-2009, 09:11 AM

rofl. Anything is better than that.

Crapdaz

24-02-2009, 09:13 AM

we need a mitsubishi sigma with a cannon!! :p

johnprocter

24-02-2009, 06:19 PM

tony1234

24-02-2009, 07:03 PM

LOL yeah fair call.
Lol at Lancers and Mirages with droopy cannons.:thumbdwn::thumbdwn:

hooyn

24-02-2009, 07:04 PM

whats the difference between cannon and a normal muffler ?

SHOGUNOVDDRK

24-02-2009, 07:05 PM

Isnt that the idea ? Something subtle and nice , nice tone and the performance.....still shows everyone you spent money on your car ;)
Id much rather that ,, than a gay looking cannon muffler screaming at every RPM everywhere you go. It looks nasty (think modified lancers and mirages with droopy cannons)
:thumbsup:

Straight piped Mirage VS Lancer with a Droopy Cannon.

WHO would win?

johnprocter

24-02-2009, 07:31 PM

Straight piped Mirage VS Lancer with a Droopy Cannon.

WHO would win?

the random guy riding his bicycle on the side of the road

SHOGUNOVDDRK

24-02-2009, 07:33 PM

Damn thats my car out...

integral90

24-02-2009, 09:42 PM

whats the difference between cannon and a normal muffler ?

Shape and overall design. Cannons are generally straight-through where a normal muffler (oval muffler in this case) bounces the exhaust around a bit more

integral90

27-02-2009, 05:14 PM

Update FFS

STILL NO TSX THROTTLE BODY. If it doesn't arrive on Monday I'm gonna demand the shop sends me back the extra I paid for express postage. This is buuuullllshit.

On a nicer note, some sexiness has occurred :p

Today the car got serviced. I watched the technician's bored look on his face as he drove the car into the workshop and parked it. I watched him lazily pop the bonnet and walk to it. I saw him lift the bonnet, then saw his eyes open and him freeze. It was the best feeling ever, he just stared into the engine bay in (what I like to think) was a mixture of suprise and awe. Then he called over one of the other technicians and they were both looking around knodding their heads and looking impressed, I hope. Then he got rid of my CEL :D . I assume it will come back in a week though, but I can just get them to reset it again I guess. With the new fully synthetic oil the car revs a lot smoother and I can feel a little more push up top (just compared to old oil which was FEO and very worn out).

I've been a little let down with the overall performance of the header and RBC. The car felt in no way like it had gained the (optimistic) 20kWatw I had hoped for. After some discussion with a few people I finally decided it was because the pod was really badly positioned. I looked at what was around the filter. The short intake arm transfered a lot of heat into the filter for starters. The filter was also sitting really close to a radiator hose and close behind the radiator. From the shape of the chassis I thought that a bit of air would actually tunnel up between the firewall and the headers and back into the engine, so there's a lot of heat. But worst of all, the filter was sitting about 3" above the transmission casing!!! With help from Bennjamin we somehow fit my Comptech icebox replica onto the RBC using the stock intake arm (a ridiculous feat, if you've ever tried).

I took it for a drive and there was that sort of constant surge feeling that you get from a car on a cold night but the kick was gone slightly. Apart from not being able to hear the vtec crossover, I could barely feel it. Conclusion; stock airbox can not flow enough air to benefit from RBC.

I tried to think of alternatives to get the best of both worlds. But no extension piping would fit into the stock arm to push the filter away from the heat and no other pipe would fit as the Euro's intake arm has so many holes for plugs etc. I knew the pod wouldn't fit inside the stock box as it's too small. Then I had an idea, "Why not use the bottom half of the intake box as a heat shield from the transmission, and most of the radiator and header heat?". It seemed like the perfect balance, by not enclosing the pod I would have no problem with it not getting enough air (even if some of the air is hot). And by having the bottom half there it gave me a direct cold air feed and blocked out a lot of the heat. It took a lot of adjusting of the intake arm and airbox/filter to make it all snuggly fit without things pushing themselves out of place. After a few attempts and a few new cuts on my hands it was all together. I think it looks pretty mean and not as amateurish as the last one. Once I was confident with it all I took it for a drive. The car had a lot better response and a bit more pep. Also at high rpm WOT the car pulled harder and it didn't bog into 2nd as hard (even though something is forcing the car to shift into 2nd slowly). Obviously this still isn't the finished intake, hopefully I'll end up with Justin's custom one but maybe not...

Here are some pictures of the current set up:

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/4579/dsc0320s.th.jpg (http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0320s.jpg)

Also the muffler I decided on for the single pipe exhaust arrived today. My new Kakimoto Racing Muffler :D It's a mean piece of work, and I think it's the perfect balance between the looks of a cannon and an oval. I measured the muffler cut outs in the bumper to the muffler tip and it's gonna be a hell of a tight fit :p . Obviously I have no feedback for this yet, apart from the muffler being pretty heavy, maybe a tiny bit heavier than one of the stock mufflers (good thing there's only 1 of this :thumbsup: ) . I bought the muffler from the user BulletBoy, he's an amazing trader, probably the finest I've dealt with on ozhonda. If he's selling something you want, BUY IT FROM HIM :wave:

Here's the muffler just sitting next to the stock ones to give a rough idea of what it will look like when it's fitted compared to the stock ones.

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/9484/dsc0315s.th.jpg (http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0315s.jpg)http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/8827/dsc0316s.th.jpg (http://img8.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0316s.jpg)http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/2352/dsc0317s.th.jpg (http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0317s.jpg)

That'll all for now, again. Getting really annoyed about the throttle body, but nothing I can do I guess. Soon custom catback will be made up as well and when it's all done I'm putting a mother****in' Eva on a mother****in' dyno.

BulletBoy

27-02-2009, 10:09 PM

glad the muffler got to you quickly man. i could see you really wanted that baby :P im counting on you to get me a sound clip so i can finally hear her. great build Liam, keep it up :)

Rein

27-02-2009, 10:11 PM

Nice looking exhaust.. may i ask how much you bought it for? pm me if you like. thanks.

integral90

27-02-2009, 10:36 PM

Nice looking exhaust.. may i ask how much you bought it for? pm me if you like. thanks.

Thanks! PM sent

power_of_dreams

27-02-2009, 10:48 PM

just wondering, if you relocate the battery, will that allow you to use the icebox replica or are there still problems?

integral90

27-02-2009, 10:55 PM

just wondering, if you relocate the battery, will that allow you to use the icebox replica or are there still problems?

The battery isn't the problem, it's the shape and length of the intake arm respective to the airbox. Also the plugs that go into the arm limit the amount you can rotate and bend it. Moving the battery would only allow you to have an intake pipe with less bends.

I'm not gonna try and use the Icebox replica becaue it simply can't flow enough air in to make use of the RBC. But for the time being the bottom part is a good heat shield + cold air feed.

You can see a bit from the pic that the battery isn't in the way compared to where the airbox sits

Crapdaz

28-02-2009, 08:34 AM

imo the best option would be the SRI for the RBC as it sucks more air in little time and little length of piping.

you'll find better response with that than the CAI feed.

bennjamin

28-02-2009, 09:09 AM

i think injen style Liam. Get hakkan to mandrel bend some alloy pipe into that front section of the bumper and put the pod in there. = win.

integral90

28-02-2009, 11:38 AM

i think injen style Liam. Get hakkan to mandrel bend some alloy pipe into that front section of the bumper and put the pod in there. = win.

Thing is he quoted me $250 to do that, when if I buy Justin's intake it will be cheaper than that. But then there's the 3rd option of buying an intake for the CL7R which is the same chassis but already has the RBC. I think that would be a direct fit?

bennjamin

01-03-2009, 04:02 PM

good luck finding the CL7r intake. Wont find any locally as its not imported here at all.
Best bet is trolling japanese yahoo auctions for one to turn up.

integral90

03-03-2009, 10:29 PM

UPDATE

My throttle body finally arrived today! :D . In all I've read on the net they say the 06+ TSX throttle body went up to 64mm, but whatever way I measure it I get more like 65mm. Not complaining though, just makes me wonder if I should port the RBC another mm or if it's not worth even considering. I would put this on as soon as possible but I won't even attempt to try and get the stock intake pipe back onto this thing. I'll save it for (hopefully) next week :)

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2605/dsc0321s.th.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0321s.jpg)http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/1487/dsc0322s.th.jpg (http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0322s.jpg)http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/3016/dsc0323s.th.jpg (http://img105.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0323s.jpg)http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6513/dsc0324s.th.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0324s.jpg)

Also on Friday the custom 2.5" catback is being made up. This will mean the car is running a consistent 2.5" from the header collecter to the muffler inlet and I shouldn't have to worry about modifying the exhaust ever again :D . As I'll be running Justin's intake with the throttle body, effectively as soon as the throttle body is on the car will have completed what I call 'Phase 1', or as bennjamin likes to call it "It's too heavy to be quick, sell it and get an Integra... Phase 1". Then I'll dyno the car, and whether I reach the 135kW goal or not, I'll be inspired to keep going. Also I think this makes me the 2nd Euro in Australia to do throttle body?

That's all for now, I'll have an update on Friday with the complete exhaust and probably some sound clips! :wave:

jyh888

03-03-2009, 11:20 PM

how many kw does a stock euro pull at the wheel??

integral90

03-03-2009, 11:32 PM

how many kw does a stock euro pull at the wheel??

From what I've heard, the 06+ pulls anywhere up to 110kW atw stock. Hopefully a 25kW gain with all I've done isn't out of the question. I know of a Euro that did 126kW atw with VAFC-II, DC Sports header, K&N intake and custom catback.

bennjamin

04-03-2009, 08:40 AM

roughly 16kw gain is from the piggy back de-restricting the engine and taking advantage of the mods , hurry up and get that piggyback or ecu liam !

Merlin086

04-03-2009, 03:03 PM

My 2006 is putting down 133.4kw atw with custom headers, exhaust & intake with the extreme hondata flash, no tuning ability though.

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/2039/dynoscan1bv1.th.jpg (http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dynoscan1bv1.jpg)

Next on the list is cams.....hmm.....

Crapdaz

04-03-2009, 05:30 PM

bennjamin

04-03-2009, 05:32 PM

your flash is considered a tune.... :p

rofl.

I can see him gloating about the number to people...

".....yeah guys 133.kws atw , STOCK ecu guys ! "\

"erm its only a reflash ROM :zip:"

jokes lol.

felixd

04-03-2009, 05:38 PM

WAh nice update bro r u gona do reflash ecu aswell ?

Merlin086

04-03-2009, 05:52 PM

your flash is considered a tune.... :p

My mistake, should have said....

"No further tuning ability" and extreme reflash not extreme flash.

I think this is the second time I've mentioned the kw atw in 16 months since my mods were done.
I think if I was gloating I may have mentioned it more often.

Most here know what I have been through with this system,
and any gloating I can do, I deserve.....lol

Only mentioned the numbers so those doing similar mods should know what to expect, although with further tuning ability hopefully.

Crapdaz

04-03-2009, 06:25 PM

My mistake, should have said....

"No further tuning ability" and extreme reflash not extreme flash.

I think this is the second time I've mentioned the kw atw in 16 months since my mods were done.
I think if I was gloating I may have mentioned it more often.

Most here know what I have been through with this system,
and any gloating I can do, I deserve.....lol

Only mentioned the numbers so those doing similar mods should know what to expect, although with further tuning ability hopefully.
nah they are good figures your getting, and yeh i know must have been hell. Just that flashing is another form of tuning for others who don't know.

Has it all been sorted?

Merlin086

04-03-2009, 07:19 PM

nah they are good figures your getting, and yeh i know must have been hell. Just that flashing is another form of tuning for others who don't know.

Has it all been sorted?

About to have the exhaust repaired, at the rear 1 into 2 join.

Still waiting for the replacement exhaust for the "prototype" they ended up putting on.

It's only been 16 months, so I have to patient, after all they wouldn't sell anything not 100% perfect, would they?
(Although I paid $4450 for a temporary final production prototype)

Custom headers are holding together, all good there now.

When I did the 15.1 - 400m, it was with the extreme headers when the pipes were flattened causing restriction, so when I get the current crack repaired, I'll give the 400m another crack - 15.1 was with the traction control on!

tony1234

04-03-2009, 07:43 PM

integral90

04-03-2009, 09:22 PM

When I did the 15.1 - 400m, it was with the extreme headers when the pipes were flattened causing restriction, so when I get the current crack repaired, I'll give the 400m another crack - 15.1 was with the traction control on!

So you think with the header properly flowing again, VSA off and a more aggressive launch you might crack the 14s? If you could it would be interesting to see if I could, as the RBC (for the time being) has made the car a bit slower 0-100km/h, but faster after that.

EuroAccord13

04-03-2009, 09:23 PM

I thought the extreme kit put out 160kw ATW.:confused:Or so it's advertised.

That was done on a hub dyno so you probably want to take around 10% off against a roller dyno.

When my car was tuned on the VAFCii/DC Sports Headers/K&N Typhoon CAI/Custom exhaust, I made 126kws on a DTS Dyno.

Now I've got Toda Headers/Metal Cat/Skunk2 Catback/Stage 2 Cams/Titanium retainers and springs/Custom Intake/RBC Manifold, I was pushing 150Kws @ the wheels with pinging and dropped it to 143kws odd. This represents almost 40% gains from my stock run with NA mods.

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1665/fdynowebjk8.jpg

integral90

04-03-2009, 09:30 PM

integral90

04-03-2009, 09:53 PM

WAh nice update bro r u gona do reflash ecu aswell ?

Thanks man! Nah I'm gonna avoid a reflash. But I do plan on eventually going e-manage and v-manage to reach my phase 3 numbers :D

Crapdaz

05-03-2009, 06:14 AM

JEESUS, over 20kW jump in VTEC. With your cams and proper intake/exhaust your RBC must have been performing much better than mine!

I still think that to really see benefit from RBC you gotta increase the redline closer to 8000rpm with shorter gearing
reckon there is no point having cut off higher up if your current setup is NOT making even more power after 7200rpm.

So get a base dyno and see your power band and then you'll know what to do.

Merlin086

05-03-2009, 07:28 AM

So you think with the header properly flowing again, VSA off and a more aggressive launch you might crack the 14s? If you could it would be interesting to see if I could, as the RBC (for the time being) has made the car a bit slower 0-100km/h, but faster after that.

I was surprised that 2nd gear @ redline speed has increased from 103k's in second (stock) to 113 k's in second.

I didn't expect the higher speeds possible at redline........:p

integral90

05-03-2009, 07:32 AM

I was surprised that 2nd gear @ redline speed has increased from 103k's in second (stock) to 113 k's in second.

I didn't expect the higher speeds possible at redline........:p

Oh yeah the J-Tune reflash increases the redline, I forgot. So you finish the 1/4 mile near the top of 3rd? I'm going into 4th about 50m before the line, trapping at about 141km/h...

Man it would be hell to drive the RBC with taller gears, because I assume it's also made the gap between 1st to 2nd a bit more noticeable?

racerwannabe

05-03-2009, 08:00 PM

Any updates on your CEL issue? I'm getting a 200 cell high flow cat and i'm starting to get worried :(

integral90

05-03-2009, 08:17 PM

Any updates on your CEL issue? I'm getting a 200 cell high flow cat and i'm starting to get worried :(

Yeah when the car got serviced they got rid of it. Tomorrow it will have been exactly a week since the service and it still hasn't come back up.

I was impressed that the J's could flow so well that even with a 400cell cat the CEL would come on!

jyh888

05-03-2009, 10:07 PM

how would the dc sports headers compare to toda headers? any big differences?? since the todas are pretty damn expensive....and do the dc sports need any modifications to fit on the cl9?

power_of_dreams

05-03-2009, 10:25 PM

dc sport is more of a "street" header. you wont get as big a gain as the toda headers.
off the top of my head, no modification is needed, although there is a known issue with the flex pipe

EuroAccord13

05-03-2009, 11:27 PM

how would the dc sports headers compare to toda headers? any big differences?? since the todas are pretty damn expensive....and do the dc sports need any modifications to fit on the cl9?

The DC Sports headers are not too bad, I had pretty good gains (From memory, around 11kws gain with VAFCii tuning), it's a BFYB modifications and there are now numourous copies of the DC Sports being manufactured i.e TopSpeed. You don't need to modify anything to fit it onto the Euro.

I now have Toda Racing Headers and that definitely made more power after tuning and you are paying for the quality and design, you can contact Adrian @ TODA AU if you are interested in buying one.

integral90

05-03-2009, 11:39 PM

The DC Sports headers are not too bad, I had pretty good gains (From memory, around 11kws gain with VAFCii tuning), it's a BFYB modifications and there are now numourous copies of the DC Sports being manufactured i.e TopSpeed. You don't need to modify anything to fit it onto the Euro.

I now have Toda Racing Headers and that definitely made more power after tuning and you are paying for the quality and design, you can contact Adrian @ TODA AU if you are interested in buying one.

How much tuning ability does the VAFCii give you? Would it be wise for me to get one or to wait for an emanage and vmanage? Also in your educated opinion, what do you think I might make kW atw-wise once all these breathing mods are finished? Do you realistically think I'll get anywhere near 135kW atw?

jyh888

06-03-2009, 01:17 AM

integral90

06-03-2009, 01:25 AM

this guy on the forum is selling his dc headers http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76253, do you think its worth buying? or shud i save and get the todas?? im looking for a noticeable gain. How much did you pay for ur toda headers btw? and wats wrong with the flex on dc headers?

DC headers are good if you want a power increase without paying a huge amount. The racing headers like; Toda, J's Racing and Maxim are more expensive but will be on the limits of performance for a header. It just depends on the level of performance increase you want for your car. If you're happy for it running whatever % of it's full potential if it costs you less then the DC are fine. If you're going for big power and drag/track results then you won't want to limit yourself with something as important as the header.

The flex pipe on the DC headers and its replicas isn't very good and cracks after a while as Aaron experienced and had to replace. Not expensive though, maybe $120-$150 depending where you go.

In the end it just depends what you want from your car. If you just want a kick in performance then DC are fine, but if you're going full out then a higher quality header is what you'll be looking for :)

Crapdaz

06-03-2009, 06:59 AM

DC headers are good if you want a power increase without paying a huge amount. The racing headers like; Toda, J's Racing and Maxim are more expensive but will be on the limits of performance for a header. It just depends on the level of performance increase you want for your car. If you're happy for it running whatever % of it's full potential if it costs you less then the DC are fine. If you're going for big power and drag/track results then you won't want to limit yourself with something as important as the header.

The flex pipe on the DC headers and its replicas isn't very good and cracks after a while as Aaron experienced and had to replace. Not expensive though, maybe $120-$150 depending where you go.

In the end it just depends what you want from your car. If you just want a kick in performance then DC are fine, but if you're going full out then a higher quality header is what you'll be looking for :)

I have the DC and it didn't crack, they put in the inner weld for it on the Rev 2.

Aaron had Xforce rebadged copy.

giant_mongrel

06-03-2009, 10:38 AM

i have comptech, little bit more $ (but nowhere near TODA) but no flexpipe or fitment issues. some say it might rattle with stock zorst, but i replaced catback and have had no problems

Crapdaz

06-03-2009, 10:42 AM

goodjob gimme a sound clip b1atch!

giant_mongrel

06-03-2009, 10:47 AM

if i come up to syd one day ill be sure to stop by... phone recording 'does no justice' as everyone else says. i'll still do one if i remember
but wot pull at 5-7krpm is much better with i/h/e. dad has an 06, i told him to floor it, then i laughed...

EuroAccord13

06-03-2009, 04:16 PM

I changed the flexpipe on my DC Sports to a double walled one as the original one is a single wall ribbed internal type.
Here's a link to my cracky issue...

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56561

integral90

06-03-2009, 08:38 PM

Exhaust is finished, with some hitches... will post up in detail tonight!

integral90

06-03-2009, 11:39 PM

Update

The custom 2.5" catback is all made up and fitted thanks to Hakkan at Performance Exhaust Centre once again. The system runs 2.5" the whole way from the cat, through 1 Berklee resonator and into the Kakimoto Race muffler. About 25 minutes into the intall we realised the Kakimoto muffler had started tearing away from the inside and was rusting through the back, as we didn't have another muffler there to fit we decided to put it on anyway.

The whole install went smoothly the exhaust looks mean. It also weighs about 8-10kg with muffler, compared to the stock exhaust which is about 20-25kg with mufflers. So with that drop, plus the estimated drop in weight of the headers and cat, I should have saved anywhere from around 15-20kg just on the exhaust.

Initial reaction: LOUD. The car is very loud now, I don't know if it's the design of the exhaust or the fact that the muffler isn't properly working but at the droning range uphill even the steering wheel shudders from the bass. The car instantly picked up torque down low and mid-range, filling in a large chunk of the down low loss that the RBC caused. The car just pulls a bit easier from the lower rpm and overall just feels like a lighter, more agile car when cruising.

At high rpm there is really no difference. I think this is because of the stock, slightly crushed intake pipe sucking in hot air. This will obviously be fixed by the intake and throttle body. I can feel the car wanting to make so much more power but being held back, urgh!

And thanks to some terrible carpark design in Chatswood the car now has a very scratched driver's door. LUCKILY the scratch starts literally at the front of the door and ends about 3cm from the back of it. So it's contained to the one door. The scratches are all in basically a straight line on the door, so would they possibly be able to not have to sand and repaint the whole door?

I'll get a soundclip and post it up with pictures tomorrow.

corn_flakes

07-03-2009, 12:19 AM

your car is soooo gonna get raped at the next meet...

thank god euros have dual exhausts....i bags the right one! :D

integral90

07-03-2009, 12:23 AM

your car is soooo gonna get raped at the next meet...

thank god euros have dual exhausts....i bags the right one! :D

LOL, what do you mean by get raped? :o

corn_flakes

07-03-2009, 12:25 AM

integral90

07-03-2009, 12:28 AM

lol remember that news article a few months ago about some messed up dude who had sex with his car? by penetrating the exhaust?

we're going to drool so much over your car that it's going to be a pack rape of your euro. she will never 'ride' the same again. hahahaha.

LOL, that's disgusting... and it gives me some ideas :cool:

The car is just so high right now, like higher than stock because of the sway/strut bar and the fact the car doesn't weigh as much anymore. Next on my list is coilovers for sure!

I hope nobody pays too much attention to it, it might not deliver to expectation :o

corn_flakes

07-03-2009, 12:37 AM

still an awesome project none the less.

i wish i had money to go spastic on the euro like u did.

keep the updates and pics coming....we all love pics!!

integral90

07-03-2009, 12:45 AM

still an awesome project none the less.

i wish i had money to go spastic on the euro like u did.

keep the updates and pics coming....we all love pics!!

Thanks man, that means a lot to me :)

I really don't make much money at all, but literally about 90% of what I make goes into the car. I don't drink or smoke, rarely see movies or anything, eat at home a lot. I'd much prefer to be able to look at the car's progression than have the faint memory of diziness and headaches :p

Alright I'm uploading pics now, I'll post them soon if you're still online

integral90

07-03-2009, 01:03 AM

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4092/dsc0335s.th.jpg (http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0335s.jpg)

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7199/dsc0341s.th.jpg (http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0341s.jpg)

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1926/dsc0343s.th.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0343s.jpg)

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/4475/dsc0339s.th.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0339s.jpg)

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/2372/dsc0338s.th.jpg (http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0338s.jpg)

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8964/dsc0345s.th.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0345s.jpg)

felixd

07-03-2009, 01:53 AM

Thats hot bro how is the sound ?

tony1234

07-03-2009, 07:48 AM

Crapdaz

07-03-2009, 10:14 AM

i wonder if it's as loud as akina's buddyclub; if it is i wouldn't be happy :p too droney

not sure about that but from the design of it running through one 1 hotdog the exhaust should be pretty loud on par with buddyclubs.

damn man i would cry having scratches on the car.

integral90

07-03-2009, 10:23 AM

Thats hot bro how is the sound ?

Thanks man. Because the muffler has holes in it it gets those really aggressive off-throttle pops and backfire sounds. When you rev up to about 3500rpm in 1st then go off-throttle it pops like 4 or 5 times rapidly, sounds like anti-lag LOL! But the sound overall is very aggressive, a lot deeper than say a b18 with full exhaust.

Re:the last pic.Try running a random orbital with a light cut clearcoat safe polish over that scratch.By the look of it you may get rid of most of them.

I took a good look at it this morning and found that most of the 'scratches' were paint/plastic from the other car that got basically squashed onto the car. So I used some medium cut clearer, didn't do anything. Then I used a plastic spoon and it started coming off but slowly, so I moved to a metal spoon and rubbed really lightly. The stuff came off like a huge $2 scratchy :D

Does this mean I can officially put a Spoon sticker on my car without being rice?

i wonder if it's as loud as akina's buddyclub; if it is i wouldn't be happy :p too droney

not sure about that but from the design of it running through one 1 hotdog the exhaust should be pretty loud on par with buddyclubs.

damn man i would cry having scratches on the car.

It's pretty damn loud man. I drove down Oxford Street to pick up Emily straight after it was put on and everyone's heads were turning, it's borderline ridiculous :p

After the muffler is swapped it should be a bit quieter, considering all the 'muffling' internals of the current one are dead and there are holes in the back of it. Damn it, it looks so nice until you remember it's ****ed!

Crapdaz

07-03-2009, 01:26 PM

Thanks man. Because the muffler has holes in it it gets those really aggressive off-throttle pops and backfire sounds. When you rev up to about 3500rpm in 1st then go off-throttle it pops like 4 or 5 times rapidly, sounds like anti-lag LOL! But the sound overall is very aggressive, a lot deeper than say a b18 with full exhaust.

I took a good look at it this morning and found that most of the 'scratches' were paint/plastic from the other car that got basically squashed onto the car. So I used some medium cut clearer, didn't do anything. Then I used a plastic spoon and it started coming off but slowly, so I moved to a metal spoon and rubbed really lightly. The stuff came off like a huge $2 scratchy :D

Does this mean I can officially put a Spoon sticker on my car without being rice?

It's pretty damn loud man. I drove down Oxford Street to pick up Emily straight after it was put on and everyone's heads were turning, it's borderline ridiculous :p

After the muffler is swapped it should be a bit quieter, considering all the 'muffling' internals of the current one are dead and there are holes in the back of it. Damn it, it looks so nice until you remember it's ****ed!

I reckon your exhaust itself will be loud no matter what.

Do you get alot of cabin drone in it?

Comparing to my 5zigen exhaust i have a hotdog where you got yours and a resonator near the mandrel bend 90 deg to the muffler.

Rofl the rust and holes are probably from shipping it on cargohold ships... wasn't packaged well enough to stop moisture. :p

I am happy with my exhaust though since it's not a blast cannon.
BTW only yesterday when i was driving to work when i shift quick and let go off throttle i get 1 pop (backfire) from the exhaust.

You know what the reason for that is?

integral90

07-03-2009, 03:31 PM

I reckon your exhaust itself will be loud no matter what.

Do you get alot of cabin drone in it?

Comparing to my 5zigen exhaust i have a hotdog where you got yours and a resonator near the mandrel bend 90 deg to the muffler.

Rofl the rust and holes are probably from shipping it on cargohold ships... wasn't packaged well enough to stop moisture. :p

I am happy with my exhaust though since it's not a blast cannon.
BTW only yesterday when i was driving to work when i shift quick and let go off throttle i get 1 pop (backfire) from the exhaust.

You know what the reason for that is?

I bought it used and the brackets were blocking the rust/cracks so that's why it was only noticed when they were cut off at the exhaust shop.

The car does get a lot of cabin drone, but the sound is pretty nice!

I have a feeling the pop you get from an exhaust is the sudden change in the gas pressure of the exhaust pipe vs. the atmosphere. So it suddenly expands very quickly and causes the pop.

Crapdaz

07-03-2009, 04:17 PM

I bought it used and the brackets were blocking the rust/cracks so that's why it was only noticed when they were cut off at the exhaust shop.

The car does get a lot of cabin drone, but the sound is pretty nice!

I have a feeling the pop you get from an exhaust is the sudden change in the gas pressure of the exhaust pipe vs. the atmosphere. So it suddenly expands very quickly and causes the pop.
yeh, thats what i thought too cause only happened twice on the same day when changing throttle....was cool like a wrx popping hahah from the inside though. Outside my car prob sounds stockish!

integral90

07-03-2009, 07:13 PM

yeh, thats what i thought too cause only happened twice on the same day when changing throttle....was cool like a wrx popping hahah from the inside though. Outside my car prob sounds stockish!

The pop would be most noticeable from the outside as it happens right at the opening of the muffler. I also know this because of the amount of looks I get when it happens :p when it happens in multi-story carparks it sounds like a gun firing, LOL

aaronng

08-03-2009, 12:01 AM

Is it a straight through muffler or a zigzag? Could you see through the muffler if you looked through one end?

felixd

08-03-2009, 12:20 AM

kakimoto racing is supposely a oval straight thru muffler :D

racerwannabe

08-03-2009, 09:43 AM

How much did you pay for the custom exhaust if you dont mind me asking? Are you happy with the quality and craftsmanship? I'm tossing between a custom one and a straight through buddy club one...

Keep this thread up because it's like the only active euro build threads!

integral90

08-03-2009, 11:58 AM

Is it a straight through muffler or a zigzag? Could you see through the muffler if you looked through one end?

It's straight through, and dying, extra loud :D

How much did you pay for the custom exhaust if you dont mind me asking? Are you happy with the quality and craftsmanship? I'm tossing between a custom one and a straight through buddy club one...

Keep this thread up because it's like the only active euro build threads!

I supplied the muffler and I get all my exhaust work done at Performance Exhaust Centre so I got a small discount. Paid $375 for the catback with the muffler I supplied. The build quality as far as I'm concerned is second to none. Seeing as it's custom built it will fit your car very well, which is very important for me as I was using non-stock header and cat. The exhaust is literally a straight line until it has to wrap around the fuel tank, can't see how it could be out-performed (except for weight) by any other exhaust!

Give the shop a call, PM me if you want the number. The guy who did mine's name is Hakkan, awesome guy who does amazing work!

Crapdaz

08-03-2009, 12:37 PM

yeh cause it's straight through thats why it's loud since your only running 1 hotdog with no resonator.

integral90

08-03-2009, 01:34 PM

yeh cause it's straight through thats why it's loud since your only running 1 hotdog with no resonator.

Yeah, a big part is because it's straight but a lot of it is the fact that they muffling components in the muffler are dying and there's holes in the back of it :p

I was driving home last night from Kenthurst and it was silent out there except for the car, it sounded a LOT like a WRX. It had that sort of rough revving at around 3000rpm, like you could almost hear each individual cylinder fire so it got that boxter sound. I'm tossing up whether to keep it or not now! :p

But I realise the more I drive it the more it will die and the louder the car will get until it will be a defect-mobile and unbarabley loud :(

aaronng

08-03-2009, 01:50 PM

kakimoto racing is supposely a oval straight thru muffler :D
So what he has there is essentially an N1 exhaust but with 2 90 degree bends. LOL crazy loud.

Crapdaz

08-03-2009, 03:59 PM

rofl not worth it i reckon you'd exceed EPA noise test definitely.

SHOGUNOVDDRK

08-03-2009, 04:02 PM

Get your tissues ready for your ear bleeds.

integral90

08-03-2009, 09:36 PM

Haha, it's actually not that loud, it all depends on load I've fount. WOT downhill is actually pretty quiet, crusing uphill, however, isn't :p

Crapdaz

09-03-2009, 06:43 AM

denile!!!

come us show us your rocket exhaust.... :p

EUR003act

09-03-2009, 06:44 AM

liam is ricer! :thumbsup:

lol he's just trying to beat your exhaust daz :p

and no, im not stalking you around the forums this morning ;)

Crapdaz

09-03-2009, 06:49 AM

liam is ricer! :thumbsup:

lol he's just trying to beat your exhaust daz :p

and no, im not stalking you around the forums this morning ;)
hahah my exhaust is super quiet,
i am super low key....stealth FTW!!!!
SURE YOU AREN'T!!! Don't worry it was like months ago when i was busy spamming your posts...

some guy needs to drive my car i don't know wtf my car sounds like.....

EUR003act

09-03-2009, 01:23 PM

hahah my exhaust is super quiet,
i am super low key....stealth ftw!!!!
Sure you aren't!!! Don't worry it was like months ago when i was busy spamming your posts...

Some guy needs to drive my car i don't know wtf my car sounds like.....

shot gun first drive!

Crapdaz

09-03-2009, 01:27 PM

shot gun first drive!

hehehe yeh sure thing,
feel the heaviness from my gramlights and rattle from the dash and intake pipe from not being held down puahahha my car will fall apart... :p

Can you guys get VSA to kick in anymore? i can't do it even when i get a bit of wheel spin/lose traction from bumps..

integral90

09-03-2009, 01:46 PM

liam is ricer! :thumbsup:

lol he's just trying to beat your exhaust daz :p

It's truuuuuue :(, car is so loud and slow right now ffs :p

denile!!!

come us show us your rocket exhaust.... :p

I can't wait for the Bateman's Bay cruise. Is everyone gonna be swimming etc?

Can you guys get VSA to kick in anymore? i can't do it even when i get a bit of wheel spin/lose traction from bumps..

I've found with RBC the car won't spin until higher in the revs, and by that time the car's travelling fast enough that it won't spin anyway.

Strangely though I went WOT last night after that heavy downpour. I was in 2nd doing about 30km/h on flat road with the wheels slightly turned and the wheels just starting lighting up. Was so strange, catback has definitely made a difference already! Can't wait for it to fully adjust!

Crapdaz

09-03-2009, 01:53 PM

It's truuuuuue :(, car is so loud and slow right now ffs :p

I can't wait for the Bateman's Bay cruise. Is everyone gonna be swimming etc?

I've found with RBC the car won't spin until higher in the revs, and by that time the car's travelling fast enough that it won't spin anyway.

Strangely though I went WOT last night after that heavy downpour. I was in 2nd doing about 30km/h on flat road with the wheels slightly turned and the wheels just starting lighting up. Was so strange, catback has definitely made a difference already! Can't wait for it to fully adjust!
Swim if you must, i will swim depending on how the weather is.

In wet and cold my car hasn't had vtec kick in even when cornering 60kmh on 90deg turn and roundabout either.

integral90

09-03-2009, 02:35 PM

In wet and cold my car hasn't had vtec kick in even when cornering 60kmh on 90deg turn and roundabout either.

Your VTEC fell off? :p How much power do you think your car is making right now?

Crapdaz

09-03-2009, 02:37 PM

5kw more than last dyno.

so 118kw <-- what i think.

integral90

09-03-2009, 02:39 PM

5kw more than last dyno.

so 118kw <-- what i think.

The 5kw is from the RBC? I think you'd make a bit more than that with exhaust and intake...

Come drag your car soon!

Crapdaz

09-03-2009, 02:43 PM

well when i did dyno it was with stuffed up aem pod intake SRI with dodgy cai feed with headers/hi flow/exhaust.

Didn't really get a good feed from the blower.
I'm not sure about now because i am running feed straight to bumper.

You haven't told me when...to drag it....need to work out a time away from uni examination times...

integral90

09-03-2009, 02:45 PM

haha, lemme rephrase the question. Would you come to WSID when I go in a few weeks?

I reckon your car would be on 130kW now... with full exhaust and intake + RBC

Crapdaz

09-03-2009, 02:47 PM

haha, lemme rephrase the question. Would you come to WSID when I go in a few weeks?

I reckon your car would be on 130kW now... with full exhaust and intake + RBC

No way man....

I reckon it'd barely reach 120kW. :p yeh you know what date it will be on?

integral90

09-03-2009, 03:18 PM

No way man....

I reckon it'd barely reach 120kW. :p yeh you know what date it will be on?

Well I'm still waiting on the intake from Justin, but once that's on it should be the Wednesday right after :)

Crapdaz

09-03-2009, 04:39 PM

woah! that would be so soon....

integral90

09-03-2009, 09:33 PM

woah! that would be so soon....

It's in God's hands now... I mean Justin's...

Crapdaz

10-03-2009, 06:28 AM

It's in God's hands now... I mean Justin's...
close enough, btw sry to get off topic with your build.

When you getting the muff fixed?

integral90

10-03-2009, 08:07 AM

When you getting the muff fixed?

Goes back in Friday to get a Berklee Race muffler put on. Basically identical design, the straight through 2" inner section but 2.5" inlet. Hopefully it will be a bit quieter because the muffler actual works to an extent (it's brand new) :)

Crapdaz

10-03-2009, 08:52 AM

Goes back in Friday to get a Berklee Race muffler put on. Basically identical design, the straight through 2" inner section but 2.5" inlet. Hopefully it will be a bit quieter because the muffler actual works to an extent (it's brand new) :)
sure it does, just put a straight through cannon.... :p
how much is the replacement muff going to cost?

integral90

10-03-2009, 04:21 PM

sure it does, just put a straight through cannon.... :p
how much is the replacement muff going to cost?

$275 installed which isn't too bad :)

Crapdaz

10-03-2009, 04:43 PM

damn man how much you spent on the car already PM me.
got a sound clip of the pocket rocket you got on now?
Do a before and after sound clip please.

integral90

10-03-2009, 06:11 PM

damn man how much you spent on the car already PM me.
got a sound clip of the pocket rocket you got on now?
Do a before and after sound clip please.

Sending PM now.

Haven't got a sound clip but the car is in the repairers until tomorrow afternoon so I can get one tomorrow night! Do you mean a sound clip of the current muffler and the new one?

racerwannabe

10-03-2009, 06:46 PM

Which muffler are you getting? I'm doing a bit of research at the moment for a custom cat back as well.

integral90

10-03-2009, 10:22 PM

Which muffler are you getting? I'm doing a bit of research at the moment for a custom cat back as well.

Goes back in Friday to get a Berklee Race muffler put on. Basically identical design, the straight through 2" inner section but 2.5" inlet. Hopefully it will be a bit quieter because the muffler actual works to an extent (it's brand new) :)

^^^^^

integral90

13-03-2009, 11:03 AM

Finally got a sound clip :p . The car sounds a lot different on video at the beginning when it's revving than it does in real life though, meh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5anUhBD6Hb8

Video hasn't finished processing so I'm not sure if you'll be able to watch it yet.

Also the Berklee muffler I had on order didn't arrive yesterday like it was supposed to. So it might not be getting put on until tomorrow. But if it does I'm gonna try and get a custom intake made up too then I'll fit that and the TB in one go :D

Crapdaz

13-03-2009, 11:52 AM

spending too much money.... L-man

integral90

13-03-2009, 12:24 PM

spending too much money.... L-man

There's nothing else I wanna do with my money :p

Comment on the video Darren ffs! :D

Crapdaz

13-03-2009, 12:53 PM

hahahah nice sound man but can't tell unless in person!

in the vid it doesn't sound like a wrx but sounds very airy...

EUR003act

13-03-2009, 09:09 PM

OMG!

i so need to make a vid like that of my car :p hehehe

awesome dude...

sorry im taking so long with the intake, ive been sooooo busy with work :(

integral90

13-03-2009, 11:06 PM

OMG!

i so need to make a vid like that of my car :p hehehe

awesome dude...

sorry im taking so long with the intake, ive been sooooo busy with work :(

Thankyou! That's a big compliment after having my hearing impaired by your car :p

If you come up here for a couple of days to get your ecu done/take a break I'll help you make a video if you want :D

I'll just keep waiting for the intake, really it's no rush. You'll just have to live with the constant guilt of knowing you're choking a Euro :p JOKING

Seriously though, I'm more excited about RSP results that getting the intake. Intake is a nice side-note to seeing the RSP :wave:

ALSO, I was looking in the reflection of some shop windows on the way home and I saw a Euro identical to mine racing a SSS *AT THE TRACK Didn't do badly at all :D

*bennjamin ninja edit DONT do it

*Damn, I thought it beat around the bush enough

aaronng

14-03-2009, 09:15 AM

Nice vid. make one for my car.

integral90

14-03-2009, 09:24 AM

Nice vid. make one for my car.

Hehe, I will if you want :p

Also I'm staying with the kakimoto. I love the look and sound too much to go back now, also it means I don't have to spend more money on mufflers and can move onto other stuff!

Crapdaz

14-03-2009, 11:48 AM

but you are fixing the cracks and rust on it right?

integral90

14-03-2009, 01:27 PM

but you are fixing the cracks and rust on it right?

Change of plan... ended up swapping the Berklee on today. I had cancelled the install and gone up to the shops to buy some food. As I got back to the car I saw the muffler and it was actually starting to droop down. I got under the car at the side of the road (a few confused faces) and the muffler was moving about 1cm each direction without the b-pipe moving at all. The cracks at the top and bottom that were once 5cm each had increased to just under 20 and the car was popping 3 or 4 times very loudly everytime I went off the throttle.

Called up Hakkan and luckily he could fit me in. The Berklee is on and it still gets the pops I like :D It's a physically smaller muffler, the tip is a little smaller than the Kakimoto but most of the decrease is in the body. It actually looks remarkably similar to EUR003act's mufflers. From the back my car looks a bit like a single outlet of yours Justin :p

Will get pics eventually, got a tiring weekend coming up...

Crapdaz

14-03-2009, 02:08 PM

hahah nice.... good on you man how about sound levels?

i am sad to say my car bodywork won't be complete by the cruise so will look like sh1t until then.

integral90

14-03-2009, 02:11 PM

Crapdaz

14-03-2009, 02:14 PM

The sound level is very similar under load, but a lot quiet under light load or idle. Idle sounds just louder than stock.

Your car still looks better than mine even if everything is messed up on yours :p . You're talking about quite possibly the highest euro on the forums when you compare it to mine.

What's happening with your ecu man? I'll buy that shit in a heart-beat if you don't want it anymore :D Why are you always on ozhonda and never on msn?

hahahah mine is topZ??? pffttt...... yeh i wish all i need is a better header and you can call it that... until then i will live with my dcsports.

i am too modest buddy....
Anyhow with MSN it keeps asking me to upgrade and i can't be fk'd atm to update my msn for now.

OH i am on during work hours too but yeh trying to some uni homework....

In regards to tuning i will take it to Adrian once i am done with the bodywork.

Nepolian

17-03-2009, 05:22 PM

Good write up...Liam.

Alot different to the last time we were at WSID.

Benn, are you gonna organise a OH WSID night soon...............?

:) :)

integral90

17-03-2009, 05:29 PM

Good write up...Liam.

Alot different to the last time we were at WSID.

Benn, are you gonna organise a OH WSID night soon...............?

:) :)

Haha, a bit better than my time where I had a fully sick cold air feed to the stock box...

Hopefully after intake and TB are on the car should dip into the high 14's, or atleast 15 flat!

Will you come out when I take her to WSID next?

Nepolian

17-03-2009, 06:06 PM

Haha, a bit better than my time where I had a fully sick cold air feed to the stock box...

Hopefully after intake and TB are on the car should dip into the high 14's, or atleast 15 flat!

Will you come out when I take her to WSID next?

Reason that I dont usually go is because of work :(

Yes....Im generally good to go!

racerwannabe

18-03-2009, 09:23 AM

Updates please!

EG5

18-03-2009, 09:05 PM

Nice effort , Nice mods on the euro

integral90

18-03-2009, 10:01 PM

Updates please!

Yes soon! TB and intake being done this Friday, so I'll get some pics and write up then!

Nice effort , Nice mods on the euro

Thanks so much :) Means a lot, especially coming from you :p

integral90

18-03-2009, 11:08 PM

Double post

akina

18-03-2009, 11:26 PM

Hurry up Liam, my bets on you over Justin XD

I want to see phase R by the end of the year ;)

damienm

20-03-2009, 11:58 PM

you gotta get rid of the rear spoiler!

integral90

21-03-2009, 06:54 AM

you gotta get rid of the rear spoiler!

YOU gotta come on the Bateman's Bay cruise! I like the spoiler :o

akina

21-03-2009, 10:05 AM

Sorry Liam, I agree with Damo :p

Crapdaz

22-03-2009, 01:05 PM

integral90

22-03-2009, 01:07 PM

keep it liam makes it diff to all other euro's who tend to like the more cleaner look.

Makes your euro look like a touring car, just add a honda sticker on your windscreen ROFL!
btw gf said your crazy yesterday.... :p

You reckon it would look good or bad if I had a CF trunk but kept the stock spoiler on it silver?

Crapdaz

22-03-2009, 01:14 PM

no cf trunk.

if you keep spoiler keep the boot as is.
if you go cf trunk go M3 lip to match or in satin black.

integral90

22-03-2009, 03:02 PM

Makes your euro look like a touring car, just add a honda sticker on your windscreen ROFL!
btw gf said your crazy yesterday.... :p

Crazy for having the spoiler? :p

Spoiler looks nice but I think it just gets a lot of shit right now because the car is so high. Once it's lowered the wing should make the lines of the car really nice

Crapdaz

22-03-2009, 04:01 PM

Crazy for having the spoiler? :p

Spoiler looks nice but I think it just gets a lot of shit right now because the car is so high. Once it's lowered the wing should make the lines of the car really nice
Crazy for being so ballsy on the twisties.

I got a bit paranoid from the cement walls... :(

akina

22-03-2009, 05:26 PM

Liam, when you get the CF trunk don't get an M3 spoiler.

You need more baller parts. Get a Genuine Spoon lip spoiler or a replica CF one. :thumbsup:

johnprocter

22-03-2009, 05:34 PM

keep the spoiler if you like it ! its your car !

bennjamin

22-03-2009, 05:48 PM

its your car !

lol its his parents car.He cant change too much...

*liams dad jumps in car , huge carbon T wing blocks his rear vision*

johnprocter

22-03-2009, 05:51 PM

you know what i mean. off me

integral90

22-03-2009, 10:58 PM

Crazy for being so ballsy on the twisties.

I got a bit paranoid from the cement walls... :(

That little spurt we did downhill before that sweeping left, lol, I think it was a race of egos more. Who was gonna brake first, lol. As soon as I went off the gas my tail started floating, got a little too close to the cement walls than I would have liked :eek:

Liam, when you get the CF trunk don't get an M3 spoiler.

You need more baller parts. Get a Genuine Spoon lip spoiler or a replica CF one. :thumbsup:

Baller = money. Phase 2 also = ALOT of money. What's more important Alex!? :D

keep the spoiler if you like it ! its your car !

I like the spoiler man, I don't know why there's so much hate :o I will keep it :thumbsup:

lol its his parents car.He cant change too much...

*liams dad jumps in car , huge carbon T wing blocks his rear vision*

Yeah whatever Chuck! When he actually decides he wants to drive it, or pay for fuel, or services, or tyres or anything then he can say he owns it. I pay for 100% running costs including insurance and rego :thumbsup:

Crapdaz

22-03-2009, 11:01 PM

That little spurt we did downhill before that sweeping left, lol, I think it was a race of egos more. Who was gonna brake first, lol. As soon as I went off the gas my tail started floating, got a little too close to the cement walls than I would have liked :eek:

Baller = money. Phase 2 also = ALOT of money. What's more important Alex!? :D

I like the spoiler man, I don't know why there's so much hate :o I will keep it :thumbsup:

Yeah whatever Chuck! When he actually decides he wants to drive it, or pay for fuel, or services, or tyres or anything then he can say he owns it. I pay for 100% running costs including insurance and rego :thumbsup:
i know man your too ballsy for me... :p

hahahha i like the spoiler too can i have!

akina

22-03-2009, 11:14 PM

By the time you reach phase R, I don't think money is an issue to you :p

Nepolian

14-04-2009, 08:08 AM

Revive, heres a cheap K20A2 head I saw...http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=110368

integral90

14-04-2009, 09:55 AM

tony1234

14-04-2009, 04:28 PM

Revive, heres a cheap K20A2 head I saw...http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=110368
I think he bought the head from DRHONDA a member here.If he did it'd be a good buy.

EUR003act

14-04-2009, 08:20 PM

Haha, thanks for the revival! A lot has actually been done that I've tried to post up but my computer has crashed and died like 3 times right before I was about to post it. So I've been so pissed off that I haven't updated it out of spite, lol.

I have been tossing up the head swap idea. But from what I've read the K24a2/3 head is basically identical in flow to a Type S head. The only advantage I can see in the k20 head is that you won't need to swap valve seats etc. to swap K20 parts in. But if I wanted a better flowing head then I could port/polish the K24 one I guess.

Still, there is my theory that the K20 head on K24 slightly increases compression, but everyone seems to think that's wrong...

+1 agreed....

K20 head swap onto a K24A3 (aus spec) prob wouldnt get any gains... the main reason i did mine was i wanted to get it port and polish, and it was cheaper to buy a K20 head and get that done, than remove my head, send it to the states, get that ported, and then sent back to aussie... lol

and also i have bragging rights at K20 frank :p lol

integral90

14-04-2009, 09:45 PM

TEASER

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3609/dsc0408t.th.jpg (http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0408t.jpg)

akina

14-04-2009, 10:09 PM

Is that it! I would have expected more :p

aaronng

14-04-2009, 10:21 PM

i thought you would have been running leaner.

integral90

15-04-2009, 12:35 AM

Is that it! I would have expected more :p

Adrian at Toda reckons there's 5kW+ in the catback, so I'm going to a dual soon :p

Few other things that have to be worked out as well!

Crapdaz

15-04-2009, 08:09 AM

wasnt that inclusive of the leak in your TB?

aaronng

15-04-2009, 08:15 AM

wasnt that inclusive of the leak in your TB?
Leak = more air = more win

Crapdaz

15-04-2009, 08:27 AM

yeh but his revs were bouncing stuffs up his throttle response similiar to what i had.

not sure now.
aaron i envy your stock car pulling 110kw stock damn... :p

integral90

15-04-2009, 09:05 AM

I can't imagine a leak giving you more power... it might be more air but that air has massive turbulence and it's going to affect the rest of the air coming through the TB.

I'm getting my exhaust redone next week, having the same 2.5" section from the cat, then a split into 2 x 2" going through 2 of the Berklee Race mufflers. It will flow way better and should give me more power at every rpm and a decent jump in the top end as well. I just hope it's not any louder!

racerwannabe

15-04-2009, 09:09 AM

just curious..so your saying a dual exhaust flows better than a single? I thought a single outlet would flow better?

integral90

15-04-2009, 09:43 AM

A single outlet would flow better, but it would be unbearable. My exhaust right now is 2.5" b-pipe with one tiny resonator, going into a 2" race muffler. That effectively makes the total size of my exhaust 2", which is a smaller than the stock one. With an exhaust your smallest point is ,realistically, the size of your exhaust.

If I keep my 2.5" section from the cat, then split into 2 x 2", then the smallest part is still only 2.5". Then if I run the 2 x 2" sections into 2" mufflers the smallest part is still only 2.5". Theoretically my catback now actually flows less than the stock one with a lot more noise :p

The best exhaust setup would be my catback through a 2.5" muffler, but if you drive mine now and hear how loud it is with just a 2"... you'd realise why I'd never get a muffler that big. Splitting the gas into 2 pipes then running it through 2 mufflers SHOULD make the car quieter and also flow a lot better. I've spoken to Haks and he was saying the split has minimal effect on flow.

akina

15-04-2009, 03:05 PM

Right now on your single outlet, is it still a 90 degrees bend?

If it is, then there really isn't a benefit of having a single outlet than stock except maybe reducing abit of weight.