honda civic race car. help with engine conversion

[ryan19]

hey guys i Ryan,

new the the site been lookin around looks good.

anywayz

im raceing junior speedway in a 95 civic sedan its a 1.6L twin cam manual.
so far iv dun a locker diff,pod filter and exhaust goes realy well.

my Q is wat motor can i put in it for next yr as im goin to a open class (up with commodores and stuff)

i ony run 2nd gear some somethong that makes good power dwn low and keeps on reving.
iv got a few.

run a faster 1.6 and go in a 1600 sedan class

or put like a 1.8 or bigger in and run with the big boys.


any info would be realy good.

thanks ryan


i can post pics if use would like?

[Raztaz]

K20 lol

[ryan19]

thanks for the reply but could u give me any more info on wat kinda power they put out,and that kind of stuff?
do they fit the civics

sound like a real noob lol

thanks

[bennjamin]

hey welcome.
the 95 civic didnt come with a twin cam....and what diff do you have ? a locked diff in a FWD will be impossible to turn let alone race

[ryan19]

thanks

im prity sure its a 95 ill hav to post a pics when photobucket works.

with it being lock it makes it very hard to turn on the tar but once on the dirt is it very easy.made the car handles so much better.


ill got check wat the pl;ates say as for yr model

[ryan19]

my mistake its a 2nd month 1992

[bennjamin]

its a EH9 right ? the d16a8 powered one. Nice engine - old but still takes a thrashing.

the best option for you IMO is upgrade to a b18c2 or b18c7. Both are 1.8s , they will pull you into the next level but worth it. Best option is the b18c7 out of the ITR - it comes with a 1 way locking diff (on accel.)

[ryan19]

im not to sure if its a EH9 but my motor has coped a hiding max rpm is round 10,000.has no rev limeter.

so this b18c7 is vtec?do the bolt in to a the EG?

[bennjamin]

max rpm 10000? are you sure ?
the b18c7 is a VTEC motor- it will directly fit into your car. You need to swap over parts - driveshafts ,, shift linkage , ECU , metal mounts. You can reuse the RUBBER mounts from your EG.

[bennjamin]

max rpm 10000? are you sure ?
the b18c7 is a VTEC motor- it will directly fit into your car. You need to swap over parts - driveshafts ,, shift linkage , ECU , metal mounts. You can reuse the RUBBER mounts from your EG.

[ryan19]

yep i was watchin the tacho i dnt think it would rev that high but yeh does lol.

mmm that sounds like the plan then.

Thankz

[Lukey]

school holidays already?

[ryan19]

comdian

[fabezzz]

lol..

[night_wolf]

riding on a track is not all power. espically when your keeping your car N/A its important to understand that your trying to keep the car as a handeling monster. you need enough power to get you through the corners and find the balance in handelin. as ben said b18c2/b18c7 are good engines to help you achieve this. when u want to kick it up a bit after market cams and some internals will help.

but are you sure you were revin up 10k rpm? that doesnt sound right? if i was you i would ensure i keep a safety line with the revs. when getting it tuned tell the guy you adjust your fuel cut off 2k rpm lower than that what your car can handel. just way you ensure you and car come home in one peice.

[Type R Positive]

riding on a track is not all power. espically when your keeping your car N/A its important to understand that your trying to keep the car as a handeling monster. you need enough power to get you through the corners and find the balance in handelin. as ben said b18c2/b18c7 are good engines to help you achieve this. when u want to kick it up a bit after market cams and some internals will help.

but are you sure you were revin up 10k rpm? that doesnt sound right? if i was you i would ensure i keep a safety line with the revs. when getting it tuned tell the guy you adjust your fuel cut off 2k rpm lower than that what your car can handel. just way you ensure you and car come home in one peice.speedway is all about power.....

[Type R Positive]

run a faster 1.6 and go in a 1600 sedan class

or put like a 1.8 or bigger in and run with the big boys.
Stick to the 1600 class. :thumbsup:

Get a Mitsu Sigma for the big boys. ;)

[ryan19]

its handling well thro the corners but on the straight its lacking a lil bit is was fast enuff for juniors but in other classes it will get ass kicked lol.

iv started lookin around for the 1.8 use hav surgested.

as for rev its defently revs to 10k.

goes for dyno run on satday morning so ill post the dyno sheet.


i dont want to buy a new car so ill hav to use this 1.

ryan

[bennjamin]

there is no way your engine is revving to 10,000rpms - unless your tacho is off. On a D series....i doubt it. that would be a heck worked engine.
Where are you located? What dynoare you going to ? engine baypix?

[ryan19]

i am in the southen highlands like 45 mins from cambletown.

dyno will be dun at highlands pit lane.

i will post a pic of the same motor as mine coz i havnt got 1.

[bennjamin]

just tell us what motor it is - is it a D16a8 ?

http://www.swappedandboosted.com/images/ZC.jpg

my point is even with a huge amount of engine work , its highly unlikely your car will actually rev to "10,000rpms".

[ryan19]

that pic u posted is wat mine looks like.

macanic said is the D16a8

[eg5civic]

lol dude these have a rev limiter... round 8200 i think... i know i've hit it once revving second when i hit a bump....revs spiked and hit the limmiter

[EG5]

Rev limit on stock ecu around 7300 - 7400 rpm.
10k rpm on stock bottom end = impossible

[ryan19]

iv had the rev limet in the com removed

[bennjamin]

Rev limit on stock ecu around 7300 - 7400 rpm.
10k rpm on stock bottom end = impossible

thats the point im making :) Its impossible.
You are wrong or misinformed (about revving to 10k) Ryan19.It simply isnt mechanically possible.
How do you know you are revving to 10k when the tacho only goes to 9k ?

[ryan19]

iv had the limet removed in the ecu

there is a nother honda a girl races she said it revs over 10k as well same motor

[ryan19]

mate the car is completley srtiped it runs all after market guarges inc tacho

[bennjamin]

interesting. Still , we are all waiting on pix and info on your ride.

[ryan19]

im gettin pics up right now.havnt got any good 1s tho.

wat more in fo did u want?

[ryan19]

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r117/1rc253/Canberra14122008.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r117/1rc253/Image014.jpg

^^^ after a nother car hit the wall and bounced of n i cleaned him up

[ryan19]

vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtDqaeObpKY

[eeKayFouR]

WOW that's amazing 10k revs! I still agree with what other people are saying tho; 10k revs seems somewhat far fetched from your motor, but you are the driver.

As for the motor upgrade, definitely go with the b18c2/b18c7. Should be what you're looking for :thumbsup:

[V73C]

OMG !!! please dont use a B18cr for that lol.
its used for dirt right ?
mite want to keep the power to the ground

[INVSBL]

you spin me round round baby, round round :p

lol obviosly this is a beater event, y dont u just get ur hands on a B16, out of a vti-r, somehting cheap and easy to put in, that way ull get decent power and reliability, and stay in ur power class.

[bennjamin]

good to see pix. Looks like a heap of fun.
IMO stick with the d16a8....you can probably find them at wreckers and what not for cheap as chips. Stick one in the car ,, thrash it , and build another one on the side ready for another season or whatever.

PS your engine cannot rev to or make power at 10,000rpm.

[night_wolf]

PS your engine cannot rev to or make power at 10,000rpm.

agreed!

its immposible. your really not getting out any power to the ground revin that high. ur passing your torque curve and hence losing power instead of gaining. that engine isnt meant to run at the rpm. unless its been sent to spoon sports and balanced out which cost a hell of a lot of $$$ even then its a bit far fetched. with the fuel cut disabled u can rev to the max but your engine is not built to sustain that high rpms and pop goes the engine.

[rayb3na_]

sounds like its going pretty hard but not 10k hard if you know what i mean lol

[Type R Positive]

What actual race class do you want to compete in?
There is a few classes and the rules are different for each.
For instance, I don't think you can put a 1.8 in your car for street stock class. Only allowed .060" overbore on stock motor. Injection is permitted on stock motor, but have to use a sealed and tested computer that can be exchanged at any time. Rev limiter to remain OEM......

At the end of the day, get a commodore or falcon for open class.

[kiwi135]

k20/k24

[Type R Positive]

k20/k24
not allowed.

[02gzm]

At the end of the day, get a commodore or falcon for open class.

X2

A FWD offroad car seems pretty pointless to me when competing against RWD/AWD

[Benson]

Tell us whats your budget, then we'll can lead you in the right direction

[ryan19]

its dyno is tomorow so ill no for sure wat revs n shit.the tacho my be playin up im not sure.

ill be finding out tomorow wat calss i can run and wat mods.

fwd is way better then rwd i think anyway.awd isnt any good there was a laser (i think ) thatb was awd dnt go any good.

umm budget not sure atm.
ill also be doin coil overs and that kind of stuff as well.

[ryan19]

dyno run is dun pulled 53kw at 7000rpm and 63.3kw at 9500rpm

[INVSBL]

wtf hav u dun to ur engine, u should be making shit all power and tourqe at that rpm. thats nuts

try and get a pic up of the dyno results, be cool to see the power and tourqe curve.

[90LAN]

good to see pix. Looks like a heap of fun.
IMO stick with the d16a8....you can probably find them at wreckers and what not for cheap as chips. Stick one in the car ,, thrash it , and build another one on the side ready for another season or whatever.

PS your engine cannot rev to or make power at 10,000rpm.

just because your engine doesnt rev to 10k rpm doesnt mean his doesnt
good work mate
i reackon u would get itb's instead as it semms u need to keep throttle response more
maybe a spoon ek9 11k rpm tacho?
looks like alot of fun

[tiksie]

Word.

Awaiting dyno print out.

[02gzm]

dyno run is dun pulled 53kw at 7000rpm and 63.3kw at 9500rpm

To be able to rev a d16a8 that high and still make power you would have had to have done a decent amount of work to it. From what it sounds though, 63.3kw is ridiculously low power output for a car that supposedly revs to 10k rpm... Unless you've blown something...

I await a dyno sheet

[bennjamin]

just because your engine doesnt rev to 10k rpm doesnt mean his doesnt
good work mate
i reackon u would get itb's instead as it semms u need to keep throttle response more
maybe a spoon ek9 11k rpm tacho?
looks like alot of fun

yeah totally agree....but we are all waiting a dyno print out :thumbsup:

[ryan19]

ill scan the print out tonight.

ps.cars now ****ed

[hisoka]

dyno run is dun pulled 53kw at 7000rpm and 63.3kw at 9500rpm

thats less kw than stock isnt it.

[trism]

no 50-60kw at the wheels is about right...

[hisoka]

ohh true~ lol . amazing getting it to rev that hard.

[ryan19]

dosnt rev at all no more :)