Will I need engineering certification?

[digitalpho3nix]

Hey all nice site!

A few questions,

If I get an EG Civic hatch (3dr) and perform an engine swap, will I need an engineers certificate?

I want to swap to a b16a or a b16c. I want good acceleration, and a fair bit of torque. There also needs to be a lot of aftermarket options for the engine. Which will be best for me?

If I swap to either of the 2 engines above, will I need the half cut, or just the block?

Thanks guys! :wave:

DP

[SIKCVC]

You'll need a half cut, you should be right without engerneer's and you mean B16a and B18c. B18c will need engerneer's. But neither of these really have any "torque" :P lol. If you want torque, talk to a turbo joint :P

[Chi]

h22a!!!

[|N|]

K20a??

[SiR JDM]

theres a 10% displacement rule here in melb.

If you get a breeze (1.3 litre) and chuck a b16 (1.6 litre) in it, you will need it because the displacement increase is over 10%, howerver if u get a Gl, Si, or VTi and chuck a b16, the displacement is less than 10%..
Similarly with the b18, even getting a SI or VTI 1.6 litre (the biggest displacement for EG civics), this rule would only alow a 17.6 litre engine to be put in without an eng certificate so SIKCVC is right about the b18 you will need one no matter wat...
B16 considering you dont get an early model 1.3 litre breeze you should be fine... = ]

[DCLXVI]

sorry to steal the thread, how serious will it be if im caught with a b16 in a breeze with eng cert?

[SiR JDM]

i think you mean without stan? :p

[jimmeh]

most cops wont even no that uv performed and engine swapp. ask MRJDM he has an b18 in his car and no ever notice that he has had a swap

[bubblecivic]

engineer certificate is simply a blue slip isn't it? like $45?

[imashy14u]

An engineers certificate is similar to a blue slip but is more intense and can only be issued by a certified automotive engineer. while a blue slip can be issued by any mechanic that is certified as an inspection station.

An engineers certificate just certifies that any mods done is structurally sound and any mods done to the engine and body comply with australian design rules (ADR). An engineers certificate usually cost between $150 - $300.

With what you're thinking of doing, you shouldn't need to get an engineers certificate because the engines bolts straight into the engine bay and no structural modifications are required. as long as you leave it stock looking, you won't get hassled by the authorities.

Hope this helps :)

[SiR JDM]

Its up to you if you want to risk it, like jimmeh said, 99% cops wont even know the difference between the honda engines.. Only way they would find out is if they check your engine number to your rego sticker which has your old engine no (d13/d15/d16 etc) but your engine will say b16/b18 yada yada..
But thats a rarety... id think..

From what ive been told, they know how to look for turbos but not for NA... ? but yea
For eng certificate, you need to do more than pay $150-$300
You will NEED rear and front disc conversoin to the same size or bigger than the stock b16/b18 .. eg.. If you get SIR b16a 1/2 cut you will need to convert your fronts to SIR discs and your rears to discs of bigger or equal size to EG6 rears.. theres more stuff too

[digitalpho3nix]

Ok, so I think i will go for the B16A. I will need to upgrade safety features, like bigger brakes, etc.

Will I need to change the gearbox to suit the new engine?

How much money should I be expecting to pay for the half-cut?

Are there variants of the B16A? If so, which is the best, and which car does it come out of?

[SiR JDM]

Unless you have the 1.3 litre breeze variety of the EG civic, then b16a will not require engineering certificate, hence you wont *NEED* to upgrade safety features sucha as brakes, BUT i would highly recommend you do ATLEAST the fronts..

Yes, you will need to change alot of things, including the gearbox, the linkage, the wiring loom, the ECU etc... it is also highly recommended (by myself atleas :P) to change radiator + all hoses, intake..
however all of this will and should come with the 1/2 cut and if it doesn't dont buy it!

Also, if you have/or purchase a Breeze (even the 94 model 1.5 variety) or a GL, these are carberated engines so you will need to do an EFI (Electronic Fuel Injection) conversion. For this you will need a new fuel tank, fuel pump and fuel lines.


For the 1/2 cut alone, allow $3000
Labour can range from $1000/2000 depending where you get it done.

Id also highly recommend changing alot of things upon doing the conversion.
Before the engine block is put in the bay, change all the belts, timing, aircon, powersteering etc, it will save you alot of labour costs later on and your gettin a b16 thats most likely done 100,000+ kms, so its best to play it safe.
If your doing the EFi conversion, i highly recommend cleaning the injectors as well. This will usually cost about 50$ per injector (4 x 50).
Brake pads front and or rear.
All fluids. ESPECIALLY Transmittion.. i cannot stress that enough.

There is a b16a 1 and 2
The b16aI came from the SIR CRX (gen2) and SIR EF9 Civic, as well as the Xsi Integra (the one before the dc2)
This is the 160hp/118kw versoin of the b16a and has a cable transmition

The b16aII comes form the EG Civic SIR (JDM Only), EK CIVIC SIR (JDM ONLY) and VTi-R, Gen 3 (Del Sol) CRX, EM1 (Coupe) VTi-Ras well as the 92 Integra Xsi
Apart from the aussy specs (Civic VTI-Rs and Del Sol) these are 170hp/125kw varients and have hydrolic transmition

Id recommend the b16aII

= ) Hope it helps
James

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[panda[cRx]]

theres a 10% displacement rule here in melb.

If you get a breeze (1.3 litre) and chuck a b16 (1.6 litre) in it, you will need it because the displacement increase is over 10%, howerver if u get a Gl, Si, or VTi and chuck a b16, the displacement is less than 10%..
Similarly with the b18, even getting a SI or VTI 1.6 litre (the biggest displacement for EG civics), this rule would only alow a 17.6 litre engine to be put in without an eng certificate so SIKCVC is right about the b18 you will need one no matter wat...
B16 considering you dont get an early model 1.3 litre breeze you should be fine... = ]

i'm pretty sure its 10% or POWER, not just displacement
i know a guy that works at vicroads and he's had to knock back registrations from d16a to b16 coz they havent had an engineers cert, purely because its more than a 10% power gain. :thumbdwn:

[panda[cRx]]

oh and fark off the b16a, go b18c:D

[SiR JDM]

Oh really?
The guy who i spoke to on the fone told me it was displacement, and worked out the 1.3 to 1.6 on the phone with me etc etc.. so I just asumed it was that..
Either way i was ferked so yea hahaha

n screw the b18c.. who needs torque... 16 FOR LIFE

[pornstar]

yeah if u wanna run 19s all day long :P

[SiR JDM]

hahaha 19s! thats harsh andy!

16 is value for money... (not saying 18 isn't) but some of us (me) dont have the outlay for an 18, JDM 16 is very suffice imo = ]

[K3NstyL]

The only other issue is to remember to tell your insurance com that you have changed the engine, they usually want some sort of engineering for proof. Otherwise it's the assessors huge strap on over that apexed bonnet for you!

[civtec1]

it depends mate if you need custom engine mounts but i think most honda motors are the same

[DCLXVI]

oops .. without..