new p plater laws - 3 years if you're under 25

[Entity]

http://www.livenews.com.au/Articles/2009/03/11/Young_motorcyclists_on_Pplates_longer

wonder how this works.. i.e what if you're already on your fulls but you're under 25?

or if you're like me, currently on p's but will be off them before i turn 25?

or even worse, if you're on p's but you don't get off them until after june?

[TALEB TYRES]

yea i heard about this over the radio today,

really sucks, they're trying to cut down the under 20yo accident rate which is fair enough, but for those of us who have full licenses and fall in the 20-25 gap we still have to endure the process.

I wonder what it will do to the pricing of lams bikes as well..
One things for sure theres going to be alot of ppl breaking the power restrictions very soon ;)

[Entity]

i would love to see them try and get me to go back to the RTA and trade my full licence in for some green p's

[nvmee]

AHHAHHHAH yeh alot of guys will buy 600s + or ask 10k for their cbrs hahaa and 15 for a tyga

[LaZaZaL89]

at least bike producers might see more of a market for 250cc's and they might make some newer ones... maybe a new cbr250rr xD....

[Twincam16]

Faark are you kidding me?

Im going for my L's next weekend...

**just checked RTA, here are some more details...
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/newsevents/downloads/ministerial_media_releases.html


Mr Rees said that the changes will be introduced in June and mean that riders will stay on a provisional licence for a minimum of three years with the same P1 and P2 phases as car drivers.

“Provisional rider restrictions will now be in place for a longer period giving riders time to gain confidence and experience on the road.

“The restrictions for P1 drivers are a zero blood alcohol limit, a maximum speed restriction of 90km/h and a loss of licence for incurring four or more demerit points.

“For P2 drivers it also means a zero blood alcohol limit, a maximum 100km/h speed limit and a licence suspension for their second speeding offence.

“This is about saving lives and reducing the number of people injured on our roads by ensuring riders gain more experience.”

Roads Minister Michael Daley said that currently riders must hold a learner licence for a minimum of three months before attending a pre-provisional course.

“They must then be on a P1 provisional licence for a minimum of 12 months before applying for a full licence,” Mr Daley said.

“The minimum three year period on a provisional licence will raise the age for getting an unrestricted rider licence from 18 to 20.

That ****s me up... im 23 and have a full license, so either I go for L's now and ride around on a 250cc etc for 3 years, or I wait until im 25 and apply for full license...

Or would they exempt me if I turn 25 but have my P2's?

[Entity]

haha wait so basically if you don't get off your p's before june you're stuffed?

or is it if you don't get your p's BY june?

good thing i get off my p's in april.. haha i'm safe and i'm under 25 :D

[chunky]

Faark are you kidding me?

Im going for my L's next weekend...

same :wave:

[Twincam16]

same :wave:

Got mine on 28/29 this month at St Ives

Cant wait... been into bikes for a while...

[guilinpan]

so if i already have my ps...those new restrictions do not apply to me right?

[TALEB TYRES]

from what i gather if you are on your reds, then you need to do your greens if you dont have your fulls by june, someone correct me if im wrong, i need to book for my reds now its been 3 months :)

...someone PLEASE correct me

EDIT - just read up a bit and apparently if you do have your p's before the law comes into play this June, you wont have to follow the new scheme.
bloody myrta is down now as well, must be flooded with ppl trying to book!

[guilinpan]

cool....lmao~

[Twincam16]

Found out that RTA will be applying this new law to all new riders UNTIL they turn 25yo, then you are able to apply for a full license.

So if you apply for your L's, and you are 23, then you do a year and a half of L's + P1's, then you go for P2's and turn 25 after a month, your free to go for full license.

[sml-089]

so can anyone confirm what will happen to people who already have l's or p1 license before june?

[Entity]

if you get your p's before june you're safe

otherwise you've gotta do 3 years

unless you turn 25 during your green p's, then you can get your fulls

[lookingforboost]

it will the be the same as when the P plate turbo restrictions came into place i got my P's 26 days before the law and was exempt even though every one told me i would have to sell my car etc so if you have your P's now or before june then you'll be safe

[crazy_legs]

there are too many reckless riders and drivers out there....
these laws are here to protect everyone and not to reduce their fun under the sun.

Glad I've been on my fulls for 5 years now
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[Gawdam]

So what would happen in the instance of a loss of license.

You have your reds before the legislation, but loose them until after the legislation is put in place ?????

Not that I lost my license, just curious :-)

[Twincam16]

If its just a 3/6 mth suspension, nothing will happen...

If you take it to court, and lose, you will probably have to re-start your current license, the new laws will prob apply to you.

[aramiK]

Is this confirmed 100%

[Twincam16]

yepp

definetly

[aramiK]

Need to go buy my bike now then lol, book my P's before June..

This is a joke of a law imo.

[CL455]

it's only a joke for ppl who can't get straight onto a bigger bike.... end of the day these rules are there to protect riders out there - having come off my bike a while ago has just made me realise that it's not like the driving regs for nsw...

least if u make a simple mistake in a car there are still a good chance you will survive... any simple mistake and u come off on ur bike in traffic - there is a good chance of some serious injuries if not death....

my opinion.... if u dont agree then that's fine... but i have known of ppl who have come off and died... a extra 2 yrs riding is good experience to gain .... will make you a all around better rider

[an93l]

I also reckon people who rode 250 for a year till they get their fulls they jump straight to 1000 which is fine but thats a big jump from 250 to 1000 then let say 250 to 600 where 1000 you gotta know how to control the throttle because one mistake can send the bike flipping

[lookingforboost]

i agree with with it totally, i have riden bikes most of my life but its a different story on the road and with a road bike, thats why i went from my 250 to my 400 instead of the 600/1000 jump i just didnt feel i had enough experience on the road to jump that far yet and thats where a lot of riders come unstuck

[aramiK]

That's is all understandable, and I'm sorry for your losses.

It would be more reasonable for them to make it something like, 1 yr on 250, then you had to go 400 > 600 > 1000 or whatever.

The 2-3 yrs riding may be good, but what - if your under 25 you are ****ed?

[Twincam16]

It would help if the fukn retards that make these rules realise that there are kids out there who have never driven a car on roads and are getting their L's straight away

In my opinion this should not be legal. You should have your full car drivers licence before getting a bike licence. That way not only does the new rider have the basic knowledge of the road rules, but they have also passed the hardest phase of keeping a license, which separates the good from the bad on our roads, and they are also more mature than what any 16yo kid on a bike would be

Thats a death sentence

[aramiK]

It would help if the fukn retards that make these rules realise that there are kids out there who have never driven a car on roads and are getting their L's straight away

In my opinion this should not be legal. You should have your full car drivers licence before getting a bike licence. That way not only does the new rider have the basic knowledge of the road rules, but they have also passed the hardest phase of keeping a license, which separates the good from the bad on our roads, and they are also more mature than what any 16yo kid on a bike would be

Thats a death sentence

The fact that you can get a bike when your 16 and 9 months is ****ing stupid, not the 1.5 yrs provisional stage.

I agree with you on this ~

I'm 20 now, I've had my license and held it for the last 2.5 years..

I have to wait 3 years for my bike fulls now (I know how to drive, I've only ever been in one accident and that's because my mate pulled a handbreak infront of me as a joke, very funny..) and I'm pretty sure I know all the road rules.

GG!~

bitching ftw.

[CL455]

^ bitching rocks :) haha

they do need to look at the L's rather then how long u hold ur P's for... but then again there's alot of things out there that are just stupid - but end of the day ppl should use there own common sense when it comes to jumping on a bike and going for a ride ... if your not experienced enough you will know - but it's the fact that there are ppl who think riding is as easy as knowing how to ride... completely different story ....

[aramiK]

I guess that's right, but meh.

I'm annoyed, when I'm prepared for something faster.. I'm getting it.

May be a while, I don't think I can ride for shit yet.

The CBRR250 still shits me lol

[FASN8U]

what a crock of shit! ive got my l's and can go for my p's in like a month . then im on them for aslong as my car liscence(red p's) so til im 22 pfftt they can suck me

[aramiK]

what a crock of shit! ive got my l's and can go for my p's in like a month . then im on them for aslong as my car liscence(red p's) so til im 22 pfftt they can suck me

Kind of the same situation for me, except I'll be 23 lol..

[FASN8U]

ahaha balls , well screw waiting that long

[lookingforboost]

what a crock of shit! ive got my l's and can go for my p's in like a month . then im on them for aslong as my car liscence(red p's) so til im 22 pfftt they can suck me

if you get your P's before 1 july then you wont have to :thumbsup:

[FASN8U]

so if i get my p's BEFORE july i hold them for how long?

[prelure]

u hold ur red p's for one year then u can get fulls

[FASN8U]

before july , i think im fuked then cause u gota hold l's for 3 months . a big **** you to vicroads for screwing me over once again

[lo0se3r]

not sure about melbourne but in syd its june :(

[Tu88y]

a extra few years learning how to ride a bike isn't that bad

[Twincam16]

Just buy an RVF... not only are they heaps quick for a learner, they are also well balanced bike for our roads...

[Tu88y]

Just buy an RVF... not only are they heaps quick for a learner, they are also well balanced bike for our roads...

Have you seen the prices people want for the RVF? I rather buy a 250 then spend the money on a RVF

[Twincam16]

Have you seen the prices people want for the RVF? I rather buy a 250 then spend the money on a RVF

...but ive got two in my garage which I bought for less than sumoto prices

If you compare it to say Sumoto who pretties them up and chucks on a set of new tyres, well fair enough they can ask whatever they want for them... private sales are a heap cheaper, if you can find one in good nik...

And dont buy private bikes in summer...

:thumbsup:

[FASN8U]

dont buy prive bikes in summer , whys that out of curiosity?

[Twincam16]

Well generally bikes are a nice weather/summer activity, in winter/rain you freeze your balls off.

So usually a lot of new riders go for a bike purchase towards end of the year, which co-incides with holiday periods as well... so you get a high volume of buyers going for the same bike and demand goes up a heap...

Buy around winter, sellers have less potential buyers and become desperate to sell

[FASN8U]

good point , thanks for the heads up im currently looking for an r6 possibly gixxer

[antO]

oh wow, thanks for the heads up twincam.
i fink i should be saving for my 250!

Cheers
antO

[vtesh]

**** the 250 just go gs500 the powers there, and doesnt look too bad

[lo0se3r]

mate has a gs500, aint that fast, good balanced bike, good riding position but other then that its butt ugly imho lol

[FASN8U]

bumpin this thread up
ok so i got my L's in may.
got my p's in august , im only in LAMS and pillion restrictions for 12 months!
so this obviously has come into practice in victoria YET! so get in there and get em boys before they get harsher

[bjornzzz]

So i'm wondering, can you skip from Ls straight to your full license?

[Twincam16]

So i'm wondering, can you skip from Ls straight to your full license?

are you over 30?

[Psy]

I'm 24 but turn 25 in December. I already have my full licence for my Car.

I'm doing my Pre-Learner driving test in October and will apply for my Ls soon after... or should i wait until i hit 25 to apply for my Ls?

I don't get it.

[Twincam16]

I'm 24 but turn 25 in December. I already have my full licence for my Car.

I'm doing my Pre-Learner driving test in October and will apply for my Ls soon after... or should i wait until i hit 25 to apply for my Ls?

I don't get it.

The only difference is that if you are over 25 (and under 30) you dont need to do 2 years on your greens, but you will still need to do a year on your red p's. AFAIK its the same whether or not you go for L's before or after you turn 25