wheel or Suspension, which one first ???

[oat.iphone]

Hi all, just bought 06 CL9 for about 3 weeks, thinking of modz the car, lower +19" + front n side lip adds

that'r the three major things i would love to be doing as first priority. I'd read quite alot of tread here about suspensions, kinda know abit but not much, decided to get the coilovers or air runner[looking for 2nd set], stuff those spring+shock combo, looking to drop the car about 1.5 front n 2 rear, needed LOOK+PERFORMANCE+COMFORT [all in one], budget about 2k[trying to save more as our exchange rate fux]

Now i've buddy N+ or Tein[havent decide which model yet] in mind, can we all here suggest me, which would be the best option for me to go, how mcuh will its cost for each, also will i need camber kits if i plan to do that drop? how much will its cost for camber kit for each?

Or should i just do its the other way which is add front + side lip[i've OEM kits] to make the car look abit longer then get 19" rim...stuff the suspension...will that get me the sport look?

also would be very great, if someone here can point out the guiding direction to lead me where should i start[if i decide to do sussy first]

many thanks guys....

[Crapdaz]

The most cost efficient way would be get the lipkit and wheels first then get suspension to be lowered so that would save money on wheel alignment ($110).

Also by lowering you will also need to invest in a camberkit.

Airrunners out of your question as it is 5k+; 2K will only get you a set of coilovers.

[racerwannabe]

JunYu was selling his used Airrunners for $3K i think..cheap the for sale section.
Personally i would do the suspension first coz i cant stand the how high the euro sits...

[Type R Positive]

Big wheels look crap at stock height.

I'd go coil overs first. You might just change your mind on big heavy wheels.....

[akina]

Coilovers first for sure!

I cannot stand the stock height! OmGzZ, looks farking shit!

[.QD]

Yeah, lowered on stockies, beats nice wheels but stock height. So I'd get suspension first, then wheels.

[Crapdaz]

ROFL you guys all want looks over saving a bit of money. :p

BUY THEM ALL TOGETHER.

But in order to save a bit of money.
Installation Order: 1. Wheels 2. Suspension + Camberkit 3. Alignment (Kit can go whenever before or after)

From exp: Tein SS, Buddyclub N+ are extremely comfortable and not harsh so you can maintain ride comfort.

[jyh888]

shit i havent bought a camberkit yet after i lowered it, does it really wear out ur tyres fast?? and does it matter which camber kit i buy?? what are the main differences? will one from pedders for example do the job?

How much negative camber do you need to adjust?? y do alot of members lower the rear more than the front? sorry for the questions overload, jus really curious, since the euro is quite new to me :D

[Accord Basic]

when you lowered your euro, you have to understand the suspension setting and geometry theory. the front suspension is dobule wisbone which it won't change much on camber if you lowered. but the rear is multi link, which have a few linkage point on the rear wheel hub. It will have very bad camber after you lowered. I have -ve 3.5 deg after lowered 30mm ar rear. so installed a camber kit to change back to -1.5 deg now. correct me if i am wrong. Thanks

[oat.iphone]

The most cost efficient way would be get the lipkit and wheels first then get suspension to be lowered so that would save money on wheel alignment ($110).

Also by lowering you will also need to invest in a camberkit.

Airrunners out of your question as it is 5k+; 2K will only get you a set of coilovers.

can u pls state me of how could i save $110. alots of ppls suggest me to do the sussy first, it was my misunderstood, i've OEM kits, which in fact, i don't, it's just the 06 have the facelift for their front bumper, hence i guess i might need to add the side+rear kits which i prefer the mugen...can someone here pls suggest me of how much its cost+fitting? where can i buy its n where can i get its install?

SORRY, if my question sound abit dumb but like i said, i was never into the car stuff therefore i'm just a TOTAL NOOB =]

thanks

[oat.iphone]

JunYu was selling his used Airrunners for $3K i think..cheap the for sale section.
Personally i would do the suspension first coz i cant stand the how high the euro sits...

yep, thanks for that, he sold its already, too late =[, well ur thought was the same as mine, i like the facelift front bumper i have now[originally come with satnav 06' ], just need to add the side+rear kits as i mentioned

but also been strongly advice by manys to just lower the car first then see how it goes as everyone recommend it'll look heap better with its lower without needing to add the side or rear kits[it'll make more harder to drive as the end bits r longer n flare out]

any idea how mcuh it'll cost of buddy N+ or tein SS? which place r the cheapest bet?

[Crapdaz]

By lowering the car first; Are you going to get a wheel alignment? (If you don't get wheel alignment then you may face negative camber depending upon how low you go and will shorten the life of your rubber)

After lowering the car; if you get wheels then you will need to waste time to raise it back up, put wheels on and lower it again; Are you going to get a wheel alignment?

After lowering you will need to spend money on a camber kit. (Camberkits can come with just 1 arm each side for camber only or 2 arms each side 1 for camber and 1 for toe); Alot of ppl use Ingalls Camberkit, but there are also options like SPC.

Lipkit or whatever can be first or last. But i am talking about wheels and suspension.

Hope this gives you a better idea of what i am on about, i am crap @ explaining things.

[oat.iphone]

ROFL you guys all want looks over saving a bit of money. :p

BUY THEM ALL TOGETHER.

But in order to save a bit of money.
Installation Order: 1. Wheels 2. Suspension + Camberkit 3. Alignment (Kit can go whenever before or after)

From exp: Tein SS, Buddyclub N+ are extremely comfortable and not harsh so you can maintain ride comfort.

yep exactly u'd got my point here crapda, but what happen if i put suspension first then camber kits , wheels , side+rear mugen[pls suggest me where can i get its, can i buy its individually? around how much i'm expect to pay for its]

[Crapdaz]

Do suspension with camber kit together.
(Without camberkit your tyres will wear out more quickly due to negative camber; if you are lower)
http://www.jackit.com/bushings/images/Camber_Explanation.jpg

Wheels can go before or after but find it easier if you do it first, because when coilovers are new after using it for a few weeks they will sag and drop lower, then you can change the height again and do wheel alignment.

You can try Pm'ing the traders on here if they are willing to import them.
or you can try www.boomplustoys.net (http://www.boomplustoys.net) and try google.

Most Overseas sites will send over but will cost alot of money and you will incur the import tax as well.

If you want to find out about import tax here is the noob thread that i helped the guys out with.
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96978&highlight=import+tax
and you can use www.xe.com to check out exchange rate but will be lower value then you generally pay.
(http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96978&highlight=import+tax)

[oat.iphone]

when you lowered your euro, you have to understand the suspension setting and geometry theory. the front suspension is dobule wisbone which it won't change much on camber if you lowered. but the rear is multi link, which have a few linkage point on the rear wheel hub. It will have very bad camber after you lowered. I have -ve 3.5 deg after lowered 30mm ar rear. so installed a camber kit to change back to -1.5 deg now. correct me if i am wrong. Thanks

30mm @ rear , what about front? i'm thinking of lower front 1.5 n rear 2, as i leave the weight for passenger @ back else i'll trash every bump, well i don't really know much about geometry things but like 30mm? how low is that? also how many finger gap is it equipvalent to? what are the standard height we lower our car in order of LOOK+PERFORMANCE+COMFORT?

also after we lower our car, will the car be too harsh or bouncy? i like to keep the level of comfort as i have now from stock, or will its be even more comfort with the coilover changed? or the stock is the best outta all?

[oat.iphone]

Do suspension with camber kit together.
(Without camberkit your tyres will wear out more quickly due to negative camber; if you are lower)
http://www.jackit.com/bushings/images/Camber_Explanation.jpg

Wheels can go before or after but find it easier if you do it first, because when coilovers are new after using it for a few weeks they will sag and drop lower, then you can change the height again and do wheel alignment.

You can try Pm'ing the traders on here if they are willing to import them.
or you can try www.boomplustoys.net (http://www.boomplustoys.net) and try google.

Most Overseas sites will send over but will cost alot of money and you will incur the import tax as well.

If you want to find out about import tax here is the noob thread that i helped the guys out with.
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96978&highlight=import+tax
and you can use www.xe.com to check out exchange rate but will be lower value then you generally pay.
(http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96978&highlight=import+tax)

hmmp, seem like i've to try find local dealer for this right to avoid the tax...well normally how much camber angle it should be once we lower the car? what is the acceptable level angle that wont wear tyre out like crazy?

[oat.iphone]

sound alright to me, yes of course i'll have to get the wheel alignment for its, so u think i should get wheel first then suspension+camber kits, wheel alignment n lastly body kits?

if i do its this way so i wont have to do wheel alignment twice n it'll save me 110 right?

correct me if i'm wrong plz

[Crapdaz]

* 30mm - 2finger gap
* Depends what you want to lower it to, mine is on 0-0.5 finger front and 0 back

* Ride comfort depends on the type of suspension of choice.

* Tein SS and Buddyclub N+ are pretty comfortable almost like stock (If you go for Tein Flex or Monoflex; It is alot harsher)

* Camber if you lower around 2-3" would be around -3deg or more, Rear 0 camber, +1mm toe in. Atm i am running -1 camber rear because i can't fix it any further cause of ride height or it'll scrub the guards.

* The wheel first then suspension with camberkit is my opinion on how i would do things saving time, not necessarily on how other ppl will do it.
Seems like more ppl want you to do suspension first and ultimately the decision is up to you.

You do not need to get wheel alignment first time but will have increase wear on tyres.

* In regards to wheel offset; Euro is best using +40-+55 offset depending on how far you want the wheel to be;
+40 means it'll sit further out towards the guards (will be in line with guards)

[oat.iphone]

* In regards to wheel offset; Euro is best using +40-+55 offset depending on how far you want the wheel to be;
+40 means it'll sit further out towards the guards (will be in line with guards)[/QUOTE]

so the less offset number mean it'll sit out more? i did some research find it as

more asset the wheel set outside the guard

less asset the wheel go deep inside the guard

now i'm quite lost, pls correct me, thanks

anyway the guard u mentioned above, which guard do u meant? like i said was never into the car hence i'm totally noob =]

[euromandeluxe]

Crapdaz is right; a more positive offset will leave the outer edge of the rim (roadside) further inside the guard. So, if you want the wheels to be flush with the guard, choose a more negative (or a LOWER positive) offset, such as +40 rather than +55.

By "guard", I'm pretty sure he means the wheel arch.

[Crapdaz]

yes wheel arch + also fender