Odyssey 19" or 20" Wheel Sizes

[ozody]

Hi All,

First post here.

Pick up my Odyssey this week.

Can someone confirm that if you go with 19 or 20" wheels you need to have a 7.5" wheel width or can you get 8 or 8.5" wide rims under the guards.

Would like some feed back on what some other members have done.

What is the correct offset and PCD for Odyssey. It is a Jan 2005 Model 3rd Gen.

Will also be lowering 2 inches as well so need to keep that in mind.

Thanks

Looking forward to following this forum.

[AusAccord]

congrat on yr new purchase. original PCD and offset for RB1 is 5x114.3 and +55mm, wheel spec is 16" x 6.5". have seen heaps of 19"/20" on RB1 and pretty sure 8.5" will have no problems under the guard with correct offset and camber. good luck and enjoy yr staying here.

[frekila]

dude checkout my thread for drivable measurements and tire measurements

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99303

I'm running these measurements on mine

F- 20x8.5 +43 (high Disk) (225/35)
R- 20x9.5 +46 (low Disk) (245/35)

*note need adjustable rear camber arms

I use to run with these measurements

F&R 20x8 +45 (245/35) (but with these tire measurements the front tires will rub the plastic guards)

I know others that run these:

F- 20x8.5 (+43) (high disk) (225/35) or (235/35)
R- 20x10 (+48) (low disk) (255/35)

Note* these are drivable settings with coilovers/springs, if you're thinking of air suspensions i recommend these measurements

F - 20x 8.5 (+38) (High disk)
R - 20x 10 (+35 / +34) (low disk)

These setting is on this car
http://conceptmotorsport.com/autogallery/view_gallery.asp?gid=1180

================================================== ================================================
BEWARE

PLEASE BE ADVISE THAT WITH THESE MEASUREMENT THE VEHICLE WILL: -

1) Have a slightly higher fuel consumption than normal
2) Need to be driven slower than normal to avoid damaging rims, bodykit, rubbing of guards etc.
3) Stress you out when driving (depending on driver) LOL
4) Be a bad idea to drive this car when you're in a rush
5) Be more slower than normal on a full load with heavy people, especially on hills.

[ozody]

Thanks for the replies guys.

I don't want to go to wild as this will be daily car for wife as well.

The show car sits in the Garage. 1967 XR v8 Falcon.

So, I am thinking maybe 19 or 20" in 8's or 8.5'.

What will fit on without any modifications or additions.?

Don't want to go adding camber kits etc. if not required at the moment.

Thanks

[frekila]

Thanks for the replies guys.

I don't want to go to wild as this will be daily car for wife as well.

The show car sits in the Garage. 1967 XR v8 Falcon.

So, I am thinking maybe 19 or 20" in 8's or 8.5'.

What will fit on without any modifications or additions.?

Don't want to go adding camber kits etc. if not required at the moment.

Thanks

In that case for daily drive use these measurements:

F & R - 20 x 8.0~8.5 (+45 ~ +48) (245/35), (245/30), (235/35)

F & R - 19 x 8.0~8.5 (+45 ~ +48) (235/35~40)

F & R - 18 x 8.0~8.5 (+45 ~ +48) (235/35~45)

NOTE* (F & R - 20 x 8.0 [+45] [245/35] ) <---This measure WILL rub against the outer front plastic guards depending how low the car is. speaking from experience LOL :D


20 Inches is going to give it a rough ride becuz you have to use thinner tires, 18 0r 19 would be better if you want to maintain comfort

but you mentioned that you are going lower the car by 2 inches, then i would get adjustable rear camber kit to fix the angle after lowering, to save the tires

Hope this is helpful. :)

[AusAccord]

as frekila advised, u will need at least the rear camber kit once u lowered yr car. give u an example, I lowered mine abt 25mm and already induced +5 degree camber at the back

[ozody]

OK Camber Kit sounds like a must once lowered.

The wheel guys I have spoken to are telling me a +55 is what I need?

Not what you guys have been using.

So anything running 8.5 will rub so best go 8 or 7.5" ??

[frekila]

OK Camber Kit sounds like a must once lowered.

The wheel guys I have spoken to are telling me a +55 is what I need?

Not what you guys have been using.

So anything running 8.5 will rub so best go 8 or 7.5" ??

Well, i run 20x8.5 in front with offset +43 but its high disk, and these tire measurements (225/35/20) and it hasn't rubbed once.
(High disk is extra clearance for a big brake kit)

i would go with 8" for that more heavy European steering feel :)

[ozody]

OK we'll see how we go. Thanks for info.

No to decide on chrome, black or chrome with black.

[AusAccord]

ozody, where are you at? I have some Japanese Odyssey booklets that can help you to choose the style

[ozody]

I am on Gold Coast.

The wheel guys have yet come back again and are telling me I can only go with a 19 or 20 x 7.5" with a +55 offset. This limits my options a lot.

They are saying any wider and it will scrub rear guards.

[AusAccord]

honestly, i would say the same if running a business as its a very safe call and you can't turn around asking refund. search here and you will find couple of odyssey owners running 18" x 7.5" with +42mm have no issue at the rear even car already been lowered. so the statement "can only go with a 19 or 20 x 7.5" with a +55 offset" is not valid fm my point of view. subj to yr own preference and how it looks in order to playing around the width and offset of yr purchase, deep dish = wider rim + higher offset.

[frekila]

also if you're going with 20s then you're tire profile options are only 35 or 30 if you go any thicker than that you're speedometer is gonna be reading inaccurate speeds. (eg. speedometer reads 60 km/h but you're actually going 62 km/h or more)

and 30 or 35 profile will provide louder tire noise and stiff a ride

[quadrio]

i must say mine with the 20,s and 30 profile didnt change the ride quality that much, yes there is more road noise but that is also due to the tyres im running

[evolution]

i must say mine with the 20,s and 30 profile didnt change the ride quality that much, yes there is more road noise but that is also due to the tyres im running

What are your specs for your rims... width and offset wise.

[frekila]

i must say mine with the 20,s and 30 profile didnt change the ride quality that much, yes there is more road noise but that is also due to the tyres im running

well that's true, and also depends on what coilover and setting or springs ur using.

Now that you mention it the Nittos i'm running is quieter than my old tires which were Falkens, and also the type of wheel material used such as forged wheels which is lighter than the normal material, and it will slightly affects the ride and handling quality.

I remember with my old set of wheels the car feels heavier, even though i was only running 20x8 all around.

[Mobil1]

can any bros here please advice if the following setup is do able and if there's any complications?

F & R - 19x8 +32 (235/35)

[aka_NSX]

Im running 18x7.5/+42 with 225/45 no problem at all

and now Im getting a new sets
F 20x8/+40 with 225/35
R 20x8.5/+43 with 245/35

actually I have never heard anyone made 20x7.5

[Mobil1]

ok bro NSX,

Based on the following stock benchmark of 16x6.5 +55,

F & R - 19x8 +35 (235/35) Inner 1mm MORE; Outer 39mm EXTEND


Your current setup says....
18x7.5 +42 Inner SAME; Outer 26mm EXTEND

Your new setup
F 20x8 +40 with 225/35 Inner 4mm LESS; Outer 34mm EXTEND
R 20x8.5 +43 with 245/35 Inner 13mm LESS; Outer 37mm EXTEND

Are you expecting your new setup not to rub or have any complications?
For the specs I'm talking about te front is sticking out by 39mm, sounds like alot...is it?

[evolution]

can any bros here please advice if the following setup is do able and if there's any complications?

F & R - 19x8 +32 (235/35)

7.5 +42 is almost flush to fender.

Seeing that you are lowering as well, I think the rim will stick out and will rub due to high offset, unless u camber the front and rear and maybe use 215 or 225 tyres.

[AusAccord]

if you guys really want to measure to max the offset for flush look, tip from Japanese Magazine.... use a string and tie some weight at the end, use a tape stick the other end onto the front/rear fender in the middle top wheel arc and let the gravity hang the string. now u can measure the distance between the center of yr wheel and the string to determine how much space u can play around with the offset. Pls remember it has to be done on a flat surface otherwise will be different from left and right. Happy DIY guys!!!

[AusAccord]

Evo advised, keep in mind if you lower yr car the 3-5mm extrude is important as it will fxxk yr fender badly once the wheel traveling all the way up

[Mobil1]

hmmmm cool.. thanks bro NSX, Evo & Accord for the tip...

so does anyone know whats the max EXTENSION you can go on your front before steering difficulties kick in and whats the max on the rear before you have to pull the wheels in?
wanna keep it as straight as possible..you track and sht..hahaha

[AusAccord]

hmm... i will guess (don't quote me on that) max front is 8 inch wide with 38-40 offset without rolling guard. rear will be more fun as no matter what u will need a camber kit once lowered, then u will have more room to play with. guess will be 8.5-9 inch wide with 35-40 offset. need to take the consideration of tyres design as well.... simple case is mine the fatty tyres kills my planning to have a bit lower due to rubbing the inner plastic guard when traveling up, so..... sit higher then....

[Atjo]

19x8 +42 should alright. I'm running 20x8.5 +35 for my front. Don't ask about my rear hehe

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5327/img0384pq.jpg

For some reason imageshack always rotate my picture to landscape.

[AusAccord]

my neck......

[Mobil1]

bro Atjo,

front 20x8.5 +35?? thats sticking out by 45mm from stock? how you do that??

[Atjo]

I think less than that. I'll properly measure it on the weekend.

[AusAccord]

Atjo, did yr guards rolled already? should have no problems once rolled. Mobil1, his application is different as he will not running low on roads but once parked...... it almost sits on the ground

[Atjo]

Only rear that are rolled.

[evolution]

Our mod friend here is a VIP roller.

[Atjo]

You mean Andy?

[AusAccord]

ah?? he meant moderator here.....

[Atjo]

Nah man, your car is full garson

[Mobil1]

btw not sure if anyone seen this site but anyway pretty handy when comes to wheel selection...

http://www.fujicorporation.com/sim/

[Mobil1]

dude checkout my thread for drivable measurements and tire measurements

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99303

I'm running these measurements on mine

F- 20x8.5 +43 (high Disk) (225/35)
R- 20x9.5 +46 (low Disk) (245/35)

*note need adjustable rear camber arms

I use to run with these measurements

F&R 20x8 +45 (245/35) (but with these tire measurements the front tires will rub the plastic guards)

I know others that run these:

F- 20x8.5 (+43) (high disk) (225/35) or (235/35)
R- 20x10 (+48) (low disk) (255/35)

Note* these are drivable settings with coilovers/springs, if you're thinking of air suspensions i recommend these measurements

F - 20x 8.5 (+38) (High disk)
R - 20x 10 (+35 / +34) (low disk)

These setting is on this car
http://conceptmotorsport.com/autogallery/view_gallery.asp?gid=1180

================================================== ================================================
BEWARE

PLEASE BE ADVISE THAT WITH THESE MEASUREMENT THE VEHICLE WILL: -

1) Have a slightly higher fuel consumption than normal
2) Need to be driven slower than normal to avoid damaging rims, bodykit, rubbing of guards etc.
3) Stress you out when driving (depending on driver) LOL
4) Be a bad idea to drive this car when you're in a rush
5) Be more slower than normal on a full load with heavy people, especially on hills.

Hi mr. Frekila or anyone for that matter,

You guys know if what needs to be done and any complications to fit:

Front 19x8.5 +43 (235/35)
Rear 19x9.5 +45 (275/30)

I just love these rims to death so, sorry for shooting wild questions. The setup seems very similar to Frekila's setup (except the tire sizes) so in all simplicity I just assumed it will go in.

http://page14.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/s188072859

[AusAccord]

i think all the RB1 owners work on width 7.5" with +42mm on the front as a rule of thumb and anything greater than that you prepare some works need to be done on yr front guard. Have you measure by yrself as we need contribution of this info as well......

[Mobil1]

hi bro Accord,

do you mean the measurement below?

the rims I'm after...
F- 19x8.5 +43 (235/35) EXTEND an extra 37mm
F- 19x9.5 +45 (275/30) EXTEND an extra 48mm

Frekila's...
F- 20x8.5 +43 (high Disk) (225/35) EXTEND an extra 37mm
R- 20x9.5 +46 (low Disk) (245/35) EXTEND an extra 47mm

I believe Frekila mentioned he lowered his car too...

whats high disk / low disk? where do i check for this kinda info?

[aka_NSX]

last time my friend from AME ( Autotechnik ) try 235/35 with 20x8.5 offset +38 is too big on the RB1 but with 225/35 its OK

so if you like the wheels bought them then sell the tyres to someone else and you get the 225/35

for the rear 275/30 its 100% wont clear the guard even you roll the guard so you need 235 or 245 for the rear

[Atjo]

High disk = less dish but good for BBK.
Low disk = more dish but not good for BBK.

Normally people use high disk for the front so they can put BBK and use low disk for rear cause normally you don't use BBK for the rear.

[Mobil1]

hi guys,

I've been asking for quotes on tires and there seems to be a persistence on some sellers to only quote the load rating that suit the odyssey (95). Is anyone here even complying with that tire load rating coz with the width you guys are running seems to be hardly any of them are over 90.

and since they are quoting wider tires, will the inner part clear if the gap between the tires and suspension is closer by 15mm?

[Atjo]

I never check my inner clearance as i have a low offset on my rims so i never worried about it. If you want some tyres you can call Tyrepower Hawthorn ask for Miki, tell him you are my friend and he'll look after you.

[RiceMeister]

I never check my inner clearance as i have a low offset on my rims so i never worried about it. If you want some tyres you can call Tyrepower Hawthorn ask for Miki, tell him you are my friend and he'll look after you.

Does he do better prices there? Cause I got my falkens there from a dude called Sam, he was pretty helpful, prices were ok'ish.

[Atjo]

Miki is the owner so he's the one that has the final say for the prices.

[RiceMeister]

Ok cool, might be headed back there near future.

what specs are your wheels on BRUANG Dan?

[Atjo]

20x8.5 +35 (65mm dish) & 20x9.5 +15 (99mm dish) with 225/35/R20 for front & rear.

[Mobil1]

yeah just name drop Daniel and he will say ok this one is "Daniel's price" LOL

[Mobil1]

what brand tyres all you bros out there using? hows the noise, grip etc like?

Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 any good?

[evolution]

I'm currently on Bridgestone Potenza RE001's, good grip and not noisy. My Civic is on Toyo Proxies 4 and they are loud, but grip is good.

I have heard PS2's are good, but never tried them before. The PS3's are already out to repalce the PS2.

[Mobil1]

copped a set of the PS2 already...

To all the bros out there, I need your opinion.

I have a brand new set of Enkei coming in real soon but now I'm having second thoughts and instead wanna go with PDW black rims.

Reason being, 1) Not really feeling the offset on the Enkei even though I haven't put them on 2) I kinda dig the murder look.

What ya'll reckon??

Enkei
F & R 19x7.5 +55

PDW
F 19x8.5 +45
R 19x8.5 +35 <- Will this have any problems clearing the back fender? If so then it will be +45 all round

Whatever the choice they must all use 225/40 tyres coz I bought them already.

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/4225/ww135img600x40212790748.jpg

http://www.pdwgroup.com/australia/images/C-16_BSL_FRONT.jpg

[AusAccord]

ok, between 2 rims shown above i'll definitely go for Enkei instead of PCW. other thing is Enkei already purchased and you can play around the offset with bolt-on spacer making them flush. on need to spend money on PCW as not many people will buy yr Enkei with 7.5 width and +55 offset..... btw, how much for a set of PS2 on 225/40/19?

[Atjo]

Don't buy PDW as they are not genuine rims. Try the Enkei and use spacer if you have problem with the inner clearance.

[Mobil1]

Thanks for the input sifus.

I guess I will get spacers to kick the rear out alittle if its really ugly. These things are safe yeah? I heard its a sure void for insurance.

[Atjo]

Get the spacers with the stud adapter not just the ring. Or maybe reverse mount the barrel so you end up with massive dish hehe

[AusAccord]

am sure you do not want insurance knows abt 19" and spacer..... don't use the slip-on style spacer, get the proper bolt-on spacer with center bore 64.1mm and you will be fine. i guess you will need a set of 10mm for the front and at least 15mm for the rear hehe

Atjo, how can an one piece +55mm offset reverse mount man......

[Atjo]

Well only if it's 2-piece or 3-piece hehe like this lancer

http://permaisuri.com/autoshow/autoid/20081007151456/White-Lancer---39-komang-bahil--39-.html

[evolution]

What you guys are talking about are hub centric spacers. The Enkei's look good, but the width and offset are a bit weak. Being Enkei's as opposed to PDW, they should be lighter and hence perform better. I'm not too sure about insurance, being 19", they are above the legal size diff already.

I read in another post somewhere that the spacers actually caused premature failure of the bearings. This was on a FD civic.

[Mobil1]

any bros here using this product?

what does it do anyway?

http://f26batchimg.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/users/2/3/9/5/treevillage2-imgbatch_1284073549/454x303-2005090600002.jpg

[evolution]

Don't think it's for our model... looks like a camber arm

[AusAccord]

its a front camber/upper arm but as Evo advised its not for RB1. Cusco doesn't has front upper arm for our car and understand only Vision has but really cost a real human arm.......

[aka_NSX]

there is no longer VISION products, they are already Closed Down