B16A and B18C..which 1???!!!! headache!!

[vteccoupe]

hey guys...was deciding between a b16a engine and a b18c engine into my civic coupe...its about 400bucks diff...which is more worth it?

the b16a has the same head as the ITR and revs higher but of cz low torque.
the b18c (integra vtir engine) has higher torque but not much more horsepower.

also does the b18c comes with closer gear ratios?if im nt wrong the b16a halfcut comes with close gear ratios for faster acceleration right?

which wld u guys choose and why? thanks guys!
:wave: :D

[Waggy]

Both are very good engines and both offer pros and cons.

My opinion is to go for the B18C1 engine from the Integra VTi-R. It offers more torque (which means greater acceleration) and contains a similar short block to the Type R engine (B18C7). Best to get an R tranny with an LSD if you can afford it (either that or buy and aftermarket LSD to get that torque to the ground).

Using aftermarket pistons, cams, pulleys etc and an ITR head, can be easily tuned to exceed that of a Type R engine. Look to Toda, Spoon, Mugen and the likes for your R beating parts.

I'm an NA fan, but the B18C1 is a great starting block for forced induction also. I'm sure your will be pleased either way, but for an extra $400, you can't go wrong mate.

Just my opinion!

[jimmeh]

who quote you this prices?? i know that a b16 half cut is about 2000 and the jdm b18c half cut is 3500. if you can get them cheaper let me no cos im after an 18c

[tekling]

go the b18c
jsut becoz it is 1.8 litres

[sivic]

b16 doesnt have the same head as ITR. though it does have more aggressive cams than b18c (vtir). however, go the b18c. the extra torque makes a huge difference. you cant just take into account standing starts. on the roll the b18c will rape the b16. the b18c has fairly short ratios as well but to either engine an ITR box will be a well worthy investment. you will get bigger gains once you start modding the b18 as well.

[spoondc2]

Torque is more important than horsepower, 1.6 is 1.6, 1.8 is 1.8, although the B18C2 has bad design of the intake manifold and throttle body which makes you find hard to swap with some Type-R parts but you could pay cheaper to get more power in a B18C than a B16

[SiR JDM]

get the 16 and bore it out with a stroker kit =]

[pgclee]

hey guys...was deciding between a b16a engine and a b18c engine into my civic coupe...its about 400bucks diff...which is more worth it?

the b16a has the same head as the ITR and revs higher but of cz low torque.
the b18c (integra vtir engine) has higher torque but not much more horsepower.

also does the b18c comes with closer gear ratios?if im nt wrong the b16a halfcut comes with close gear ratios for faster acceleration right?

which wld u guys choose and why? thanks guys!
:wave: :D

how do you know is a close ratio gearbox?...and how close izit..and what final drive ratio he's on?...4.785 or 4.8 or 4.929?
if you found the car with 4.929, ehhh...probably you will be checking in to petrol station more than you drive it onroad...hehehe...just my comment...hehe..don't just because of the gearbox you go and get the halfcut...check through before buying...hehehe....

[bizee_1]

in a Civic Coupe...get a B18C ! the amount of torque you'll get from the 1.8 compared to the 1.6, is worth the $400. Good value for money. (like Waggy said, you can't go wrong) Especially in a Civic coupe. They weigh over a tonne if i am not mistaken.

Besides, if you are going to change the engine in your car, normally it is a 1.6 right, you might aswell go up in capacity too.

Simply, one engine has more torque and power than the other engine. Which engine do you think will make the car go faster up a hill & have better economy when driven conservatively ??

Alternatively, off topic, do a Frankenstein.
my 5 cents. (GST inc.)
Ray

[OB]

How about a combination of both, b18c block with b16a head aka "Poormans Type-R"...???

[Hondavirgin]

B18c would be quicker in day to day driving I imagine (which is what we do 90% of the time) thanks to the extra torque.....

[monstaR]

Honestly, if you have the cash, go with a k20A, this enginge has alot of potential. If not, get a B18c7, u will definitely enjoy it mate. Cheers :D

[Waggy]

Yes, indeed Monsta is correct. If you have the dosh a K series is the way to go. B series engiens are still "the shit" but they are slowly starting to be phased out by K20A and K20A2 engines. These engines (at least, when used in a EG, EK or EU/EP hatch) are capable of low to mid 13 sec passes when in STOCK FORM. Plus you can get them brand spanking new as the cars that house them are still being made.

"Poorman's Type R" and Franky are still options tho, and both will provide excellent performance.

[badsector]

I'd go the B18c, the Civic Coupe VTI-R's already house the B16A so why not go 1+ and opt for the B18c. The B18C has more power and for an extra 400 buckeroos, mods within that budget wouldn't get the power difference for that price. As many has already suggested, why not go the b18c with a b16a head, only trouble is trying for find someone who is selling the b16a head alone... anyways, goodluck with it mate!

[pgclee]

Don't change..hehe...

people are always saying K20A in a Civic...i wonder can the EG or EK hold that kinda power without Re-inforcing Chasis job whille fitting in...how bout engine mounting?...i know if you put that in a EG, you will face lots of problems due to limited space...thats what i think...

[DynoDave]

B18C VTiR engine will give you very nice torque and with a few mods
you will be very happy with that engine choice.
Regards Dyno Dave

[sivic]

yeah, K20 swap would be $$$$. not too much point in doing a frankenstien unless you prepared to do internal work. by doing just the B20 block(stock) with b16 head you still wont get as much power as from a B18C5/7, although the cost would be similar. but yeah, straight out swap, the b18c is the go. though the idea of slapping on a b16 head to a b18c block is even better. i'm sure you could find a b16 head somewhere. i think hondaR is / was selling a B16B (Type R!!!) head :D

[vteccoupe]

who quote you this prices?? i know that a b16 half cut is about 2000 and the jdm b18c half cut is 3500. if you can get them cheaper let me no cos im after an 18c

hi..was quoted the price from honbits

[vteccoupe]

Honestly, if you have the cash, go with a k20A, this enginge has alot of potential. If not, get a B18c7, u will definitely enjoy it mate. Cheers :D

no cash :(

[vteccoupe]

b16 doesnt have the same head as ITR. though it does have more aggressive cams than b18c (vtir). however, go the b18c. the extra torque makes a huge difference. you cant just take into account standing starts. on the roll the b18c will rape the b16. the b18c has fairly short ratios as well but to either engine an ITR box will be a well worthy investment. you will get bigger gains once you start modding the b18 as well.

bloody honbits..told me that they are using the same head :(

[vteccoupe]

Both are very good engines and both offer pros and cons.

My opinion is to go for the B18C1 engine from the Integra VTi-R. It offers more torque (which means greater acceleration) and contains a similar short block to the Type R engine (B18C7). Best to get an R tranny with an LSD if you can afford it (either that or buy and aftermarket LSD to get that torque to the ground).

Using aftermarket pistons, cams, pulleys etc and an ITR head, can be easily tuned to exceed that of a Type R engine. Look to Toda, Spoon, Mugen and the likes for your R beating parts.

I'm an NA fan, but the B18C1 is a great starting block for forced induction also. I'm sure your will be pleased either way, but for an extra $400, you can't go wrong mate.
Just my opinion!

was quoted by Honbits 4800 for the B18C and 4400 for the B16A...both are JDM motors and includes installing and also taking in of my current D16Y8..is it a good deal or is there better deals out there?? :(

[sivic]

that pretty good if it includes labour for the swap and everything required.
ITR head is ported, upgraded valve train, more aggressive cams than b16.
but yeah, 4800 for a B18C swap is pretty good, especially here in Perth. honbits are pretty good as well, although they dont actually do the swap, they just supply the parts. i'm sure whoever they get to do the work is fine though- would be worth enquiring about this ;)

[MRJDM]

vteccoupe- 4800 to install a b18c is pretty good. ask them who will install it. it will be highly likely that good performance will installl the motor. and if they do the work then there is no way its 4800. cos i find it a bit hard to believe but i could be wrong.

[jimmeh]

wtf, thats damn cheap. but something tells me that just for the half cut. cos honbits and concord told me 2900 for a 18c and that was for the motor only

[joyride]

holy sh*t. what the hell is up with these prices? i remember a few yrs ago (2000/1??) when jdm EG front cuts were 2200.

[vteccoupe]

vteccoupe- 4800 to install a b18c is pretty good. ask them who will install it. it will be highly likely that good performance will installl the motor. and if they do the work then there is no way its 4800. cos i find it a bit hard to believe but i could be wrong.

wld ask honbits who wld b installing it...
btw...i asked if the halfcuts comes with rear disc brake system..and he sae v.unlikely...sighh...
aniwae if i get the B18C halfcut...hw abt my speedometer?the rpm guage wld have been different...wld they put in an integra dashmeter??

[vteccoupe]

wtf, thats damn cheap. but something tells me that just for the half cut. cos honbits and concord told me 2900 for a 18c and that was for the motor only

it includes labour...drive in drive out :D

[jimmeh]

vteccoupe- i take it your in sydney right. come to the next cruise and check out MRJDM car. he has an 18c in his coupe

[vteccoupe]

vteccoupe- i take it your in sydney right. come to the next cruise and check out MRJDM car. he has an 18c in his coupe

hey im in perth man... :o

[sivic]

yew.. perth :thumbsup:
let us know when you find out who they get to do the swap.
just use the existing tacho. i'm sure it reads high enough (redline vti-r B18c = 7800 i think)
the rear discs on the vti-r teg are the same as on your coupe so no need to swap

[vteccoupe]

yew.. perth :thumbsup:
let us know when you find out who they get to do the swap.
just use the existing tacho. i'm sure it reads high enough (redline vti-r B18c = 7800 i think)
the rear discs on the vti-r teg are the same as on your coupe so no need to swap

hey sivic.....my coupe is e vti..nt vtir..so the rear comes with drum brakes :(
do u tink the half cut comes with the rear disc brakes?and also is the front rotors and caliper bigger on the integra as compared to my coupe?thanks :wave:

[sivic]

vti's come with drums? i only thought the gli's did. oh well. the integra front discs are slightly bigger so if its not too much more to get them swaped you might as well do it. as for rear discs, all civics(that came with rear discs)/integras besides type r's have the same rear disc set up so you can get them from any DC2 integra or EG Si / Vti or EK Gli / Vti sedan / vtir hatch

[[[d a n n y]]]

holy sh*t. what the hell is up with these prices? i remember a few yrs ago (2000/1??) when jdm EG front cuts were 2200.

IT's Called the yanks taking all the EG cuts..so we get nothing syndrome.

yeah

go for the B18c 1.8L bigger engine more torque.
same power

[jimmeh]

vteccoupe- ur referring to honbits in syd right??

[gambate]

honbits in perth, last time i asked (April '04), B18C was $500 more than B16A. it was $5000 drive in drive out for B18

[MRJDM]

boys go to perth to do ur motor swaps cos that is a good price

[Lyle_Style]

i honestly think the b16a is the go
very light a cheap, high reving and it has alot of potential
B16A1 1.6L DOHC VTEC 88-91 JDM CIVIC SiR / CRX SiR 160 HP
B16A2/3 1.6L DOHC VTEC 93-9 7 DELSOL VTEC / 99-00 CIVIC Si 160 HP
B16A 1.6L DOHC VTEC 92-95 JDM CIVIC SiR II / CRX SiR 170 HP

VS

B18C 1.8L DOHC VTEC 94+ JDM INTEGRA SiR 180 HP
B18C1 1.8L DOHC VTEC 94+ INTEGRA GS-R 170 HP
B18C5 1.8L DOHC VTEC 97+ INTEGRA TYPE-R 195 HP
B18C6/7 1.8L DOHC VTEC 96+ JDM INTEGRA TYPE-R 200 HP


See it isnt THAT much more power but the B16 series will cheaper and cheaper and easier to drop in. and the you save with the B16 you could get it going heaps better then the B18 Series
But yeh What ever tinkles your fancy..

[spoondc2]

But it REALLY cost ALOT to bore a B16 into 1.8l with well balance internals.....

[sivic]

the $500 you save on the b16 isnt going to get you mods that will make your car as fast as going b18c. it will get you an exhaust or if you already have a decent cat back it might get you a set of 2nd hand decent headers which may get you the power gain to match the b18c. but there is no way you will get close to the torque of a b18 and when your on the road the torque is what you will notice.

[HyperZ]

hey im in perth man... :o

hey about 4 wks ago honbits (perth) had a B18cR jap spec hiding in the corner somewhere go check it out if its still there :) not sure of the prices tho, also saw a mugen twin loop exh that came with it... also noticed the header tat came with the b18cr had quite abit of frontal damage i think the car was in some sort frontal accident. Guy tat showed me around i think his name was justin or something :) let us know how you go!!