Honda Civic EK oil change [Archive]

simon86

30-03-2009, 07:16 PM

Hi Guys

Im due for a service, which im looking at doing myself. What oil is recommended for this model? (Civic EK 2000 model) Also will any oil filter do the trick?

Im nearing 110,000km, at what stage should I change the fuel filter? I dont think it has been changed previously. Any recommendations on a fuel filter?

Thanks

Limbo

30-03-2009, 07:23 PM

use all OEM honda and you can't go wrong

EK1.6LCIV

30-03-2009, 07:27 PM

stick to Honda, dont use other oil filters (unless if you have to Hamp)

use Honda oil as it will do the trick for your daily

fuel filter is an easy job, just remember to open ur fuel cap to release fuel pressure in the line before removing the fuel filter, Honda items are cheap enough and instock

simple to do :D

turtleEK1

30-03-2009, 07:41 PM

Get your hands on a Honda Civic Manual. Or download one off the net. Fully detailed directions on simple servicing. Can't go wrong.

And yes... Use OEM.

simon86

30-03-2009, 07:45 PM

Thanks guys

flipfire

30-03-2009, 07:46 PM

I just changed my fuel filter last week. You can buy the OEM fuel filter for around $40.

It can be a bit of a pain and a mess to install. I suggest you refer to the service manual, it has step by step guide on how to relieve the pressure and undo the filter etc.

Riviera

30-03-2009, 08:16 PM

pfft engine oil - penrite 10W-50 or OEM
oil filter im using valvoline, buy em in packs of
4 at superheap...
wat ever you feel, im using penrite 10W-50
with a valvoline filter... oils oil, its all, filtered and refined
the same way...

every other fluid is OEM :thumbsup:

EK1.6LCIV

30-03-2009, 08:51 PM

its no mess at all, just open ur fuel cap first! no mess at all hey, simple and easy

simon86

31-03-2009, 11:38 AM

EK1.6LCIV

31-03-2009, 11:44 AM

techinfo.honda.com

Riviera

31-03-2009, 01:25 PM

sign up hookup.com
they got em all on there too... theyre listed motorbikes and all...

might have a nosey at that one too ryz

EK1.6LCIV

31-03-2009, 01:27 PM

yea the one I posted is just a handbook for each Honda model, good for servicing purposes in pdf form :D

bennjamin

31-03-2009, 05:49 PM

come over borrow my tools and do it yourself. Easy.

tiksie

31-03-2009, 06:05 PM

When it comes to engine oil and oil filters and fuel filter I have never used OEM on any of my Honda's and they all worked fine!!

When it came to gearbox oil and power steering oil/clutch oil etc I used Honda OEM oils.

adaminc

31-03-2009, 07:13 PM

i use penrite as well

going good =) 2000 ek1

RtN

31-03-2009, 07:26 PM

I use oem.. but might be heading towards a HAMP oil filter... any good?

EK1.6LCIV

01-04-2009, 08:00 PM

I have them and would use them if Honda didnt make the same size as well and is avail here, they used to use em in Toowoomba Honda yrs ago but dont these days as too many leaked, so now they bring in the blue ones at a loss and sell them for 17 bux a filter(so they say)

dumped echo

07-04-2009, 06:21 PM

Using other filters is fine. Z79A is the code you need for the oil. All Ryco filters come with warranty and they will even cover your engine if the filter is faulty etc etc...
They also sell replacement for fuel filter.

Having said that i use OEM Honda filters, just for piece of mind.

Fuel filter is changed at 80,000, so its a good idea to change it now. Its not hard at all. I think all you need is a 19mm spanner,10mm spanner and a 17mm spanner.
Remember to change all the copper washers too and don't overtighten the bolts.

You can pretty much take your pick of oil as long as it is is within the oil range specs given by honda. Since the weather is getting colder now you might want to go something thinner. Generally 10W-30 is good for most conditions.

EK1.6LCIV

08-04-2009, 07:34 AM

least with the Honda filters you have the luxury of using their cap tool for easy removal, the rycos are a pain to remove if put on too tight and for what is saved it's hardly worth it...

aaronng

08-04-2009, 09:01 AM

I use whatever is cheap. Flavour of the month is hamp filters which got for 1/2 price of Honda, and Edge 5w-30 oil which I got for $30

EK1.6LCIV

08-04-2009, 10:37 AM

it's half as cheap due to it being half as good...

flipfire

08-04-2009, 10:50 AM

Im using Ryco oil filter/Castrol edge and honda OEM air/fuel filter & NGK sparkies

I just changed them all recently, cost me about $150. Now getting over 650kms a tank

EK1.6LCIV

08-04-2009, 11:05 AM

what were you achieving before?

if you're changing your oil filter every 5k, doesnt really matter in terms of overall performance, but the Ryco range is shit house as they arent designed for the car, theyre too bloody wide and short and imo a waste of money, lol

Id prob pay

$10 for an oem filter (I buy the ten packs)
$40 for oem oil
$40 for the fuel filter
$20 for oem Denso plugs (at the dealership)
$30 for air filter, but now I use a K&n as they are easier to clean and maintain as the service pack is $20 new and cleans a good 10times or more, the k&n eventually pays for itself and fits better than oem too (which surprised the hell out of me)

so all up I pay

$110 as I already have the K&N air filter that I simply clean off, which is something everyone should have :D

flipfire

08-04-2009, 11:29 AM

I was getting around 500kms before which wasnt that great for a 1.6 engine.

What do you mean by Rycos arent designed for the car? It looks exactly like the standard oil filter

IIRC, i payed:
$40 Castrol edge
$8 Ryco oil filter
$45 OEM fuel filter
$20 NGK sparks
$35 panel filter

EK1.6LCIV

08-04-2009, 11:31 AM

theyre nothing like the oem filter, would show a pic of the one that was first on mine when I bought the car, big pile of junk its heaps wider than oem

simon86

08-04-2009, 07:17 PM

Man, you guys get in excess of 500km out of a tank? i'd be lucky to get 420km.

What's the go there?

flipfire

08-04-2009, 07:40 PM

Ill probably switch to OEM fuel filter next just to be sure. I didnt see anything unusual with the Ryco though.

Man, you guys get in excess of 500km out of a tank? i'd be lucky to get 420km.

What's the go there?

Whens the last time your car has been serviced? I was getting pretty bad mileage before i changed the post above. I use BP Ultimate and granny shift at 2.5-3k rpms.

Quarter tank usually costs me $15ish and gets 165kms+ (work and back). The red idiot light has never turned on me before, makes me wonder if it even works.

me5t1za

09-04-2009, 09:45 AM

Noob question but how often should you change your oil filter?

flipfire

09-04-2009, 10:23 AM

Its best you change it every time you change your oil but its good for 10,000kms.

EK1.6LCIV

09-04-2009, 11:04 AM

yea the log book has it every other oil change, doesnt hurt ethier way

I just do it for peace of mind more than anything else, plus Im under the car anyways and it's 5min extra to do the filter as well :D

me5t1za

09-04-2009, 11:30 AM

Yep, that's fair enough. That's what I have to do this weekend :)

EK1.6LCIV

09-04-2009, 11:48 AM

yea mine's up during my Sydney trip, was going to do it before I left but simply no time, lol

simon86

10-04-2009, 12:55 PM

You can pretty much take your pick of oil as long as it is is within the oil range specs given by honda. Since the weather is getting colder now you might want to go something thinner. Generally 10W-30 is good for most conditions.

I went on the Penrite website and they gave the recommendation that I use HPR 15, which 15w-60. However, yesterday when I rang Honda they recommended the 10W-30.

Which should I choose, the HPR 10 or 15?

simon86

10-04-2009, 12:58 PM

I went on the Penrite website and they gave the recommendation that I use HPR 15, which 15w-60. However, yesterday when I rang Honda they recommended the 10W-30.

Which should I choose, the HPR 10 or 15?

By the way, this is for my Honda Civic EK 1.6L engine

twing

10-04-2009, 01:03 PM

Honda engines like 10w-30 which gives better fuel consumption. 5w-30 is good too.

aaronng

10-04-2009, 03:07 PM

I went on the Penrite website and they gave the recommendation that I use HPR 15, which 15w-60. However, yesterday when I rang Honda they recommended the 10W-30.

Which should I choose, the HPR 10 or 15?

You should use 10w-30 and move up based on climate and engine age. Thickest I would use is 10w-40. If you must use Penrite, go for HPR 5

simon86

10-04-2009, 05:49 PM

You should use 10w-30 and move up based on climate and engine age. Thickest I would use is 10w-40. If you must use Penrite, go for HPR 5

Why do you recommend Penrite HPR 5? isn't it too thin.

According to the Penrite website, they recommend HPR 15.

I have received recommendations for HPR 5, 10 and 15. Will it make a big difference if chose one compared to the other?

flipfire

10-04-2009, 06:16 PM

Just use OEM honda oil, you wont go wrong with it. Get 5w or 10w-30 as advised.

I wouldnt trust the Penrite website.

aaronng

10-04-2009, 07:05 PM

Why do you recommend Penrite HPR 5? isn't it too thin.

According to the Penrite website, they recommend HPR 15.

I have received recommendations for HPR 5, 10 and 15. Will it make a big difference if chose one compared to the other?

Penrite's website is giving you erroneous information in my opinion. The Civic takes 10w-30 from factory. Go to Castrol, Shell and other oil websites and they will all tell you to use 10w-30 or thereabouts. Not 15w-60.

Yes, there will be big differences. Firstly, fuel consumption will be worse with HPR 10 and HPR 15 because the viscosity is too thick for the engine design. Engines with tight tolerances need thinner oils (unless it is a race engine, which experience harsh conditions).

Secondly, any parts of the engine which have very tight tolerances (bearing journals) can have more wear if there is too much resistance to flow.

simon86

10-04-2009, 09:32 PM

Ok. Thanks for your help guys.

Im not sure if Penrite has the 10W-30. Im only seeing 10W-50 in stores. Is there a difference between 10W-30 and 10W-50?

Im leaning towards the Penrite 5W-40 though.

Any suggestions?

aaronng

10-04-2009, 10:45 PM

Use the Penrite 5w-40.

cVc_eK4

02-07-2009, 04:18 PM

where do you guys buy your hamp oil filters from, im interested in buying some. PLease pm of the location thanks!

Raztaz

02-07-2009, 05:32 PM

buy it off the traders here, go look at the traders section in the forum

RtN

02-07-2009, 10:13 PM

Since your in sydney I know jdm yard has it coz I just bought it from them today and also jdm concept has them.

Bludger

03-07-2009, 05:58 PM

it's half as cheap due to it being half as good...you're so full ofi t.

Bludger

03-07-2009, 06:00 PM

4age8u

07-07-2009, 09:14 AM

another "full of it post."

how do you know ryco filters are shit??

whats the basis of your claim?

agree i use ryco and it works perfectly fine for me what makes you say thier shit? have you got proof

Bludger

07-07-2009, 12:24 PM

agree i use ryco and it works perfectly fine for me what makes you say thier shit? have you got proofno proof, just a shit talker.

check his other posts

EK1.6LCIV

08-07-2009, 02:30 PM

rycos are dirty, use the wrong paper element for Honda engines first of all and dont come off as easily as they are a monged shape as they are a shit filter (that is over priced and as dear as Hondas anyhow lol)

its a waste as Honda has a perfect tool for easy installation and removal and some cheap asses would rather pay maybe at best 1 dollar less for a cheap filter designed by corner cutters

and my god the tool is $10 from the dealer and u get 10 filters for $100 that are actually designed for ur bloody engine, ffs ppl why would u use anything else

and the other thing that gripes me is ppl using non oem coolant and they wonder why they have water pump failures... its now the best coolant avail on the market...

I supose coming from a guy spending now thanks to the awesome govt $20 a pack on smokes Id save money too at all cost lol lol lol jks jks

munkaii

08-07-2009, 04:46 PM

For those guys out there that don't have the oil filter remover from Honda dealers (lets just say hypothetically you own several brands of cars and cbf having filter removers for each one), is there a toolless way to remove the oil filter? E.g. Maybe a rubber hammer to the filter before trying to undo it.

flipfire

08-07-2009, 05:08 PM

My dad puts a cloth around the filter like a belt and twists the ends to tighten the grip.

Doesnt always work though if the filter is seized.

aaronng

08-07-2009, 06:29 PM

If you have space:
http://www.classic-car-magazine.co.uk/articles/images/oil_change/oil_filter_wrench.jpg

If you don't have space:
http://toolmonger.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/Worlds%20Best%20Oil%20Filter%20Wrench.jpg

aaronng

08-07-2009, 06:30 PM

My dad puts a cloth around the filter like a belt and twists the ends to tighten the grip.

Doesnt always work though if the filter is seized.

If you do the filter up by the proper way which is slightly less than hand tight, then the cloth or rubberband method will work. I can even take my oil filter off by hand without using cloth.

EK1.6LCIV

09-07-2009, 07:48 AM

they do give a torque setting on all oem filters tho...

kraiye

09-07-2009, 10:39 AM

type of oil and frequency of filter change will depend on you're mods and driving too.
if you get 500-600 k's from a tank, get 5-30 oil cause you obviously take it easy.

If you have space:
http://www.classic-car-magazine.co.uk/articles/images/oil_change/oil_filter_wrench.jpg

If you don't have space:
http://toolmonger.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/Worlds%20Best%20Oil%20Filter%20Wrench.jpg

and you shouldn't even need one of these!
if you put the filter on right and dont screw the **** off it you should be able to get it off by hand. i've only once needed a removal tool and that's because someone else did the previous oil change (and by "removal tool" i mean stabbing with a screwdriver and turning. lol)

aaronng

09-07-2009, 12:07 PM

they do give a torque setting on all oem filters tho...
Yes, and the torque setting is equivalent to less than hand tight. I think it is about the point where you get the first feeling of tightening and then going an additional 1/2 turn past that point.

EK1.6LCIV

09-07-2009, 12:12 PM

when Im stuck under the car, in the cold, in the evening, its hard to tell the tightness of the filter, hence a torque setting is provided for faultless motoring lol :)

Phamiii

28-07-2009, 03:49 PM

where is the EK1 OIL FILTER LOCATED??
need to change mine

EK1.6LCIV

28-07-2009, 03:49 PM

where is the EK1 OIL FILTER LOCATED??
need to change mine

directly under the intake manifold offset to the passenger side, cant miss it :)

beeza

28-07-2009, 05:29 PM

http://toolmonger.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/Worlds%20Best%20Oil%20Filter%20Wrench.jpg

These things don't work at all!

Wasted 30 bucks on this crap :thumbdwn:

bennjamin

28-07-2009, 05:32 PM

These things don't work at all!

Wasted 30 bucks on this crap :thumbdwn:

lay off the pot mate:p

they work GREAT. You obviously are LOOSENING not TIGTHENING lol. You do need to lightly hold it in place , put your ratchet onto LOOSEN and it will grip the oil filter. Then slowly rotate and it should crack the oil filter seal and take it off. Finish with your hand watch out for the excess oil.

PS i have had a similar one i stole off a engineer mate - had it for about 12 years. works great.

beeza

28-07-2009, 05:58 PM

hehe Benny :)

I couldn't get the bugger workin'!!

I'll stick with the OEM tool,much much easier!!

aaronng

28-07-2009, 06:13 PM

These things don't work at all!

Wasted 30 bucks on this crap :thumbdwn:
You need to be patient and make sure the fingers grip the filter perfectly. Personally, if I was using a Honda or Hamp filter, I'd just use the Honda oil filter tool. 100% success. This finger tool is good if you work with filters of different sizes.

beeza

28-07-2009, 06:29 PM

Pain in the Butt!!

EK1.6LCIV

29-07-2009, 09:54 AM

Pain in the Butt!!

oem tool works best, after all youre working on a Honda, not a Datsun, why complicate things with useless junk when Honda make the cap for the filters lol

beeza

29-07-2009, 03:13 PM

Yeah the best combo on a y4 I reckon is the Honda tool + a shot rachit!

Killa From Manila

29-07-2009, 03:30 PM

wats this honda tool look like?

aaronng

29-07-2009, 03:48 PM

wats this honda tool look like?

Not exactly the same item, but it looks like this: http://www.biker-discount.co.uk/ekmps/shops/hondaon/images/filter_tool.jpg

quenjose

29-07-2009, 04:03 PM

next hot question:

can u get this from Honda parts? and how much?

edit: finally, the hex-like top on the oem oil filter makes sense...

beeza

29-07-2009, 04:08 PM

Yup,10 bucks!

aaronng

29-07-2009, 04:24 PM

It's a worthwhile investment. I use it to loosen, with the ratchet if required. Then I tighten by hand with the tool over the filter, without using a ratchet.

quenjose

29-07-2009, 04:31 PM

lol... and all this while, i've been using elastic bands and my trusty hand.

thanks guys :thumbsup:

adaminc

31-07-2009, 09:22 PM

does that tool work on aftermarket filters?

beeza

01-08-2009, 10:47 AM

aaronng

01-08-2009, 11:41 AM

It fits Hamp filters.They have 2 sizes small and large,it definately fits the small one,not sure about the big one??

Hamp filters are a great filter and they are much cheaper than OEM filters.The smaller filters give a bit more oil pressure whereas the bigger ones offer more filtration.If you change your oil regulary you dont need bigger filtration anyways.

Small ones don't give higher oil pressure. They have more resistance to flow, so you will see a higher upstream pressure. But downstream, which is where it counts (engine and moving parts are located downstream), the smaller filter will give you a LOWER reading. So go for the filter with the better filter media and larger surface area all the time.

beeza

01-08-2009, 11:52 AM

Really,damn!

Does the OEM filter tool fit the larger ones?

aaronng

01-08-2009, 12:23 PM

Really,damn!

Does the OEM filter tool fit the larger ones?

It fits the tall honda filter, which is the standard one you buy from the dealer.

beeza

01-08-2009, 12:32 PM

Yup and it fits the small hamp filter too but does it fit the larger hamp one?

aaronng

01-08-2009, 12:37 PM

Yup and it fits the small hamp filter too but does it fit the larger hamp one?

Oooh, you mean the tall green hamp. Yes it does fit.

beeza

01-08-2009, 12:44 PM

Oh sweet! :)

kraiye

05-08-2009, 06:58 PM

where do u get these hamp filters?
i'm assuming autobarn?

beeza

05-08-2009, 07:19 PM

'EGJOE' sells them Kraiye!

aaronng

05-08-2009, 07:32 PM

where do u get these hamp filters?
i'm assuming autobarn?

No, get them from the traders here on Ozhonda.

EK1.6LCIV

06-08-2009, 08:33 AM

get oem Honda ones, they do a much better deal for x10 than the hamp do, lol

beeza

06-08-2009, 09:15 AM

How much and from where Ryan?

EK1.6LCIV

07-08-2009, 03:26 PM

at my Honda dealer, tell them you want a 10 pack of filters (and whilst youre at it x10 crusher washers, yes I change them every oil change as they're dirt cheap) and they'll do a good deal :)

Mikecivic78

07-08-2009, 10:50 PM

at my Honda dealer, tell them you want a 10 pack of filters (and whilst youre at it x10 crusher washers, yes I change them every oil change as they're dirt cheap) and they'll do a good deal :)

of course u should change em everytime. I might get a 10 pack next time... how much? im in brissie 2, i either go 2 Austral or Westpoint.... they are usually good, but sometime their prices vary. Austral wanted $144 for EJ8 front pads, while westpoint wanted $190. But then the other day Westpoint sold me 5L coolant 4 only $40. How do these peeps work out their prices?