Car vibrates at 50kmh and 100kmh

[sash_euro]

Hey guys, im just wondering if any of you know of Honda Accord Euro's (2004) shaking or vibrating at 50km/h and 100km/h.

I think its a CV joint problem but Ive never heard of the euros having this problem, but i know preludes did.

Characteristics are as follows;

- Car shakes under load in the 45-55kmh range same with 95-105kmh
- at every other speed it is silky smooth
- Vibration is not dependent on gear, turning or revs
- feels like the whole car is shaking, not the wheel
- so far checked engine mounts, tires and wheels.
- Took it to a CV and drive shaft place and he said the right hand side had a tiny bit more give than the left side but he isnt sure and the only way to find out is by replacing it :/
- On the rare occasion i have heard a humming (no clicking) like sound when im moving off the from the curb up hill but that might just be the clutch bitching.

Thoughts?


Thanks in advance :)

[BraXta]

ive got this problem too man

and i think a few others as well and ive noticed they all are 2004 models.... or near that.

theres a post about it and someone fixed it but i cant remember where it is =P

[aaronng]

I suspect damaged driveshaft. I've only seen one fix and that was on the tsx.acurazine forums.

[sash_euro]

ive got this problem too man

and i think a few others as well and ive noticed they all are 2004 models.... or near that.

theres a post about it and someone fixed it but i cant remember where it is =P

oh man please tell me you know where the info is!??! ive had a look around for the past hour and i cant find it :/

aaronng, i found that article i think

http://tsx.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=692544&highlight=driveshaft

that makes me rather sad, sounds like alot of money to fix. Which sucks considering you wouldnt expect this from a honda. Does the dealer have to fix defects if the car is past warranty?

Ill be getting the car checked out soon so ill get back to you guys, anyone know of a good place for cheap cv joints and such in adelaide?

[aaronng]

oh man please tell me you know where the info is!??! ive had a look around for the past hour and i cant find it :/

aaronng, i found that article i think

http://tsx.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=692544&highlight=driveshaft

that makes me rather sad, sounds like alot of money to fix. Which sucks considering you wouldnt expect this from a honda. Does the dealer have to fix defects if the car is past warranty?

THe damage could come from going into potholes. Australia's road quality is pretty poor.

[tron07]

did you lowered your car

[sash_euro]

did you lowered your car

Nup, car is completely stock!


Also i gave Nordic Honda a call and they were rather helpful, they took it for a spin and quoted me $55 dollars to find the problem and hes gonna ask if it can be fixed for free as the car has a small amount of Km's on the clock for this type of problem. Hopefully the quality service continues! but then again the car was serviced by them up until recently so im still in the red lol.

But yeah he was rather confused by the problem too, he's not sure if its the CV joint as of yet, will find out friday!

[sash_euro]

Bad news, The honda dealer looked for an hour and he couldnt find what was wrong. They want to have the car for another 2 hours to swap some parts like CV joint, some mounts etc. Id be better off just buying a new cv joint and throwing it on without spending more money looking at this rate.

Once again i am in the dark. Any ideas?

Ill send a box of chocolates to the person that finds the solution lol :P

[hisoka]

tyre allignment and balance, same thing on my euro 2007. they balanced and alligned tyres now its gone

[dupac->]

Man so hard when it comes down to SOUND.

im just gonna drive both euros til something breaks.

sick of euros

POS !

lol

- one euro has 40 000kms (04) made the humming sound for awhile and always CLICKED
- other euro has 100 000kms (03) just started to make the humming sound. ive only heard it once though the other day!

all sounds very random.


i should of kept my EK4. exhaust was so loud u couldnt hear these problems
LOL

[hisoka]

finally a euro driver wo agrees with me, you need the warranty on these. which also btw doesnt do much

[dupac->]

they dont make them like they used too..

b series car ftw.

anything over 2000 models in hondas farken so many recalls on bullshit.

same stupid problem.. omg.. i hate it.

[hisoka]

man within hours of driving mine out of the dealership my passenger door started rattling, and window wouldnt go up or down lol~

[George euro]

lol u guys have been unluck, mine has been slammed for a while now 5 inches at the rear and 2.5 at the front, not a creak or a rattle, and its an 03 model

[sash_euro]

seems to be the 04 models that are P.O.S.

EDIT

btw they only did a wheel alignment and looked at engine mounts, even after i told them a qualified mechanic already checked those things out and not to waste time on that. Nordic Honda has no clue.

[BraXta]

ive found that the actual car dealers can be dogs... =D
mine was like we will charge u like 150 bucks to check it out for 2 hrs... so screw them =P

[sash_euro]

when i told the dealer alot of Euro's have the same problem especially in the states a mech tried to convince me the drive train is different here because the car is RHD.

im sure they have completely different driveshaft/cv joints......

Its like saying a wheel here and a wheel in the states are different things.....idiots, just trying to get out of fixing the problem.

[twing]

Have you got a new set of rims?
If you do, check if it has hub rings.
I get terrible vibration on the wheels, and the hub rings fix it.

[sash_euro]

car is completely stock, only new things are the tyres and that was 2-3 months ago now, they've been balanced 3 times now

[Crapdaz]

wheel bearings?

[sash_euro]

hmm it rained for the first time in a while, and the vibration went away/ was almost unoticable.

Ideas?!

[unity]

hmm it rained for the first time in a while, and the vibration went away/ was almost unoticable.

Ideas?!

There may be less friction between the road surface and the tyres, hence less vibration.

Is your vibration more noticeable at the start of the day like when your car has been sitting over night? If so then it could be a case of tyre "flat spotting"

[Phased]

seems to be the 04 models that are P.O.S.

btw ive already had the car's wheel alignment and balancing done twice. Im gonna be calling honda up tuesday and giving them a peice of my mind and some of what im gonna eat on monday.

honestly, worst car ever, took it to the dealer and got fkd around hardcore. He said he would find the problem (as in look until he found it no matter what) for 50 bucks, next thing you know he calls and says "we looked for 30 minutes and couldn't find it, we need another 200 to continue". Lying w**kers. So much for honda quality and honda service, should have just got a fkn hyundai and saved myself the cash. I dont mean to be hating on honda, but i feel a bit jipped.

EDIT

btw they only did a wheel alignment and looked at engine mounts, even after i told them a qualified mechanic already checked those things out and not to waste time on that. Nordic Honda has no clue.

Haha, your post seems very emotional.

"Worst car ever" ?! Although you have had this one problem (possibly wear related) and as far as I know there has only ever been one recall which was for a fuel pump relay. I would consider yourself lucky. Although your Honda may be giving you this problem, it would be MUCH worse if it were a car of inferior quality such as Holden/Ford. The only other car in terms of reliability that I would compare to Honda would be Toyota (INCLUDING European cars). ALL second hand cars/cars that have aged will have issues, even new ones... If you look at how complex it is to build a car and the time/effort to engineer one... you would understand that 95% of what's produced is going to be anything but perfect. Perhaps I should of lended you my WRX when I had it to give you a taste of unreliability... :p

My suggestion would be to never GO NEAR a dealer for trouble shooting, they WILL overcharge and most likely offer an inferior service as the ones looking at your car 80% of the time are apprentices. I know we all have to start somewhere but the senior to apprentice ratio is horrible in dealers now-a-days.

I have a similar issue with my CL9, however I'm waiting until I do the next major service. As it seems to happen under a certain amount of load/rpm. Possibly a hesitation/misfire. Then I will take out the drive shafts reinstall, torque everything to Honda specifications and get a wheel alignment.

What I would suggest:
- Look into and try and feel the bumps under different situations... Does it happen under load, certain petrol when your rolling in neutral?
- Take it to a reputable mechanic (again I emphasize NOT Honda) and get the ECU scanned to check if there are any pending misfire/ignition codes.

Additional Info:
- Due to the rain changing the severity of the issue (although most of the time moisture/rain would make it worse) I would look into ignition problems/issues.
- If it were a CV joint you will find it will be most severe under load, during cornering.
- Mine does it during the same speeds except I realized that at these speeds in 6th and I think it was 3rd (can't remember) I'm doing approx 2500rpm and only happens under load/acceleration. Also my whole car shakes, not so much the steering wheel.

It still could be an inner CV joint/drive shaft. However, I will narrow the playing field down in order of cost/time. Also if it's a CV joint it will usually show it self regardless of speed/rpm. It will usually also be most severe under load, during cornering.

[sash_euro]

@ unity

hmm i dont think its due to flat spotting

@ Phased,

hahaha yeah it was a tad emotional, i was surprised when he said we'll find it for $55 but i see what he really meant now.

the problems there with mine irrespective of gear/rpm.

just as long as there's load/acceleration at 50kmh and 100kmh it seems to shake.

OH CRAP!, i forgot to mention, its slightly more noticeable if i just came out of a right hand turn and slightly less noticeable if i just came out of a left hand turn and then i accelerate.

Thanks a heaps for the help so far!! gimme a shout if you figure out whats up with yours, who knows ive even heard of ERG valves being an issue.

[Phased]

@ unity

hmm i dont think its due to flat spotting

@ Phased,

hahaha yeah it was a tad emotional, i was surprised when he said we'll find it for $55 but i see what he really meant now.

the problems there with mine irrespective of gear/rpm.

just as long as there's load/acceleration at 50kmh and 100kmh it seems to shake.

OH CRAP!, i forgot to mention, its slightly more noticeable if i just came out of a right hand turn and slightly less noticeable if i just came out of a left hand turn and then i accelerate.

Thanks a heaps for the help so far!! gimme a shout if you figure out whats up with yours, who knows ive even heard of ERG valves being an issue.

With those additional symptoms, I would be more looking at a CV Joint. If it is the problem, see if you can go with an aftermarket option as the OEM ones may have issues by the sounds of it.

[sash_euro]

Thanks for the advice Phased, it should save me a lot of money in diagnosis and replacement costs.

btw its people like you that make me want to be a regular here lol.

[Phased]

Thanks for the advice Phased, it should save me a lot of money in diagnosis and replacement costs.

btw its people like you that make me want to be a regular here lol.

No Problems. After all that's what these forums are here for :cool:

[George euro]

hey guys i been reading this thread and sadly my euro has decided to jooin the club, after 100kms it starts to shake, until 130kms after 130 its smooth again and below 100 it is smooth, i know it is not my wheels rims etc as i got a wheel balance and even put stockies on it and it stil done the same thing, if im in between the speed when it shakes and i put it in neautral it will not shake, it only shakes during acceleration and the heavier the acceleraion the heavier the shaking becomes. it is really giving me the shits, did any of your guys fix the problem because i wanna fix mine asap, and may i add my mate has the same problem with his euro too and he changed his CVs and wheel balance and stil the same?? please guys your help will be appreciated!

[Phased]

hey guys i been reading this thread and sadly my euro has decided to jooin the club, after 100kms it starts to shake, until 130kms after 130 its smooth again and below 100 it is smooth, i know it is not my wheels rims etc as i got a wheel balance and even put stockies on it and it stil done the same thing, if im in between the speed when it shakes and i put it in neautral it will not shake, it only shakes during acceleration and the heavier the acceleraion the heavier the shaking becomes. it is really giving me the shits, did any of your guys fix the problem because i wanna fix mine asap, and may i add my mate has the same problem with his euro too and he changed his CVs and wheel balance and stil the same?? please guys your help will be appreciated!

CV Joint / Driveshafts was my first guess.

Other than that... It could be misfiring while under acceleration but the shacking seems a little severe for that...

My car is doing the same thing, im waiting until I do the full service... When I replace all fluids/sparks etc.. Ill remove/inspect/grease driveshafts and if there is any issues after that... I'll replace the them.

[jdmEG5]

the vtec kicked in

[tony1234]

hey guys i been reading this thread and sadly my euro has decided to jooin the club, after 100kms it starts to shake, until 130kms after 130 its smooth again and below 100 it is smooth, i know it is not my wheels rims etc as i got a wheel balance and even put stockies on it and it stil done the same thing, if im in between the speed when it shakes and i put it in neautral it will not shake, it only shakes during acceleration and the heavier the acceleraion the heavier the shaking becomes. it is really giving me the shits, did any of your guys fix the problem because i wanna fix mine asap, and may i add my mate has the same problem with his euro too and he changed his CVs and wheel balance and stil the same?? please guys your help will be appreciated!
I'd be looking at the cv joints.If that doesn't fix the problem i'd try raising the car as i think yours is too low for the driveshafts and cv joints to perform properly.

[sash_euro]

mines 100% stock, so doesn't necessarily mean mods caused it.

i still haven't found the problem. is there anyway we can all contact honda and bring it to their attention? I wouldnt mind seeing what they say.

EDIT

i called the 1800 number on the website but to no avail. All they could do was tell me to go to a dealer.

[mattchuej8]

Just bought mine, it is doing the same thing. Lucky its udner dealer warranty. They replaced the CV joints but its still there sometimes but the shake isnt as aggressive as it use to be. Use to shake the whole car.

[tony1234]

mines 100% stock, so doesn't necessarily mean mods caused it.
True,but lowering the car excessively puts extra stress in the CV joints and other suspension components so it MAY be causing the vibration/shake.

[ultimatekenz]

I've got the same problem, honda service told me i had a few flat spots on the tyres which is probably causing it. Thought i'd share it with your guys.

[aaronng]

I'd be looking at the cv joints.If that doesn't fix the problem i'd try raising the car as i think yours is too low for the driveshafts and cv joints to perform properly.

I'd be replacing driveshafts, not just the CV joints.

[tron07]

I've got the same problem, honda service told me i had a few flat spots on the tyres which is probably causing it. Thought i'd share it with your guys.

how you manage to flat spot your tires since the car have ABS

[Crapdaz]

how you manage to flat spot your tires since the car have ABS
he dropped it off the hoist... :p

[kicker]

My car done 70000km and
it does the same thing then I replced the inner cv join, now it running so smooth

[sash_euro]

What did you guys replace your OEM cv joints with?

any recommendations? Oh yeah and how much was it all?

EDIT

maybe we should all pool cash in together and buy them in bulk....

lol jk.

[sash_euro]

any progress George?

i been too busy to get mine checked out yet.

[sash_euro]

Any progress guys? I got mine booked in next week so i should know then.

[mattchuej8]

I took my car to the dealership about this 3 weeks ago.
They changed the CV joints with OEM ones and gave me two new front tyres aligned and balanced.

The did show s significant difference with the rattle gone / less violent.

However one day travelling at 80kms in 6th gear i was merging onto M4 so i was picking up to 100km and it was vibrating then continued to vibrate at that speed had to travel through the gears (to gear 3) to stop it. never came back. :S

[sash_euro]

GOOD NEWS!!!!

Took it to a CV joint and Drive Shaft specialist, fixed the problem for $250, problem was with the RHS Inner CV joint.

They said LHS is on its way out within 10,000km

Also said the damage was most likely due to insufficient grease when the car was being assembled or possibly because the seal broke.

Hope this helps other people!

[albii]

Another thing with euro owners experiencing this type of vibration.
For some absurd reason,euros are difficult to wheel align properly..
I had an 04 from new until 3 weeks ago with 68000 km and never had an issue.

[flipmods]

Yes I had the problem too, took off my drive shaft and drive shaft place showed me the damage on the inner joint, $70 My car was as good as new :)
It's normal wear and tear usually on higher K cars.

[aaronng]

If your alignment keeps changing the moment you drive away from the tyre shop, that is another sign that the inner CV is stuffed. TSX forum guy with this problem found that he could have an alignment done, do a test drive, come back and the alignment was all over the shop again.

[Crapdaz]

If your alignment keeps changing the moment you drive away from the tyre shop, that is another sign that the inner CV is stuffed. TSX forum guy with this problem found that he could have an alignment done, do a test drive, come back and the alignment was all over the shop again.
hmmmm might be why my alignment is a bit buckled.

[mrdouble08]

I've just bought my Honda Accord Euro 03 and I too am experiencing this problem. When accelerating below 80kms I can feel a very very slight wobble in the car but when I hit between 80-100kms with load (accelerator applied) the car shakes like it a rocket - abosolutely insane!

It seems from what I've read it is related to the inner CV joint. Has anyone else experience the same problem but found out it was something else (axles, drive shaft, etc)???

I have taken my car to Jax for a 4 wheel balance and front alignment. They seem to think its something with the driveline.

Anyone know of a good Honda mechanic in Canberra that doesn't charge through the roof?

[Belinda03]

Has anyone tried fully servicing the transmission? By servicing I mean a complete flush, not just changing the fluid. Common issue, I used to work for Ford and we had a number of cars come in with similar issues. Most turned out to be from dodgy services. While a flush from a Honda dealer will be more costly than just a fluid change (usually 8L of fluid is needed for the flush, plus 4L to replace) not many people actually get this done.

Just a suggestion, I'm getting mine done in about 2 weeks as I have a similar problem, will post results when I next have time to get online.

[mrdouble08]

woot woot!!

The shaking/vibration is gone! Turns out it was the drive shafts. The @#$% wit who owned the car previously had lowered the car (denied the lowering) to have some fully sick action.. grrrrr

Anyway, cause the car was lowered the poor inner drive shaft joints were under stacks more pressure than normal. The total cost of the repair was $560 for me (whole new drive shaft plus inner and outage joints for both sides). If you think that was expensive Pedders and a few other mechanics around Canberra were charging between $800-$1000+!!! (And that was dependant if they could locate second hand inner joints that weren't @#$!ed for a refurb).

The funny thing is that all the suspension places ended up calling this mechanic for the work anyway - cuttin the middle man out - I like! :OD

Car is smooooooooooooooth as now!

[sash_euro]

awesome news, cant believe there wasn't a recall or something, seems so common.

[aaronng]

awesome news, cant believe there wasn't a recall or something, seems so common.
It's not caused by Honda. It's caused by owners who lower their car.
That's why Honda says not to lower your car if you want to keep your suspension warranty. :)
Can happen to any car if you lower it enough and drive for long enough

[felixd]

MOLY cow :O thats scary man i hope i dont fuk up my driveshaft :( cuz my streering wheel is shuddering when doing 100km/h on da freeway

[aaronng]

MOLY cow :O thats scary man i hope i dont fuk up my driveshaft :( cuz my streering wheel is shuddering when doing 100km/h on da freeway

You have hub centric rings on your aftermarket rims? Have you lost any wheel weights recently? When did the shuddering begin?

[felixd]

You have hub centric rings on your aftermarket rims? Have you lost any wheel weights recently? When did the shuddering begin?

The shuddering occurs once after ive changed my mag wheels .ive not purchased it from the wheel shop. how much is the hub centric rings for our car cost roughly ? is it the parts made out of plastic or metal ?

[aaronng]

The shuddering occurs once after ive changed my mag wheels .ive not purchased it from the wheel shop. how much is the hub centric rings for our car cost roughly ? is it the parts made out of plastic or metal ?

The hub centric rings are cheap. You can get plastic or metal ones, up to you. I would use plastic with no problem if that is all you can find at a good price. It just fits over the middle bit on your hub so that it perfectly fits the center hole on your rims and keep it in contact so the weight is on the hub and not on the stud.. Get it from a tyre shop (they can measure and recommend the correct size) and if they don't have it in stock, get them to order it in. Usually shops that sell aftermarket rims also sell these hub centric rings.

[mrdouble08]

I've also heard that the hub rings can cause vibrations. Check that your tyres are not "out of round" (has an egg) and that all four wheels are balanced.

Oh yeah, new tyres can come from the factory new with "out of round" problems.

[aaronng]

I've also heard that the hub rings can cause vibrations. Check that your tyres are not "out of round" (has an egg) and that all four wheels are balanced.

Oh yeah, new tyres can come from the factory new with "out of round" problems.
You heard wrong. Hub centric rings ensure that the weight of the car is on the hub and not on the studs. They don't contribute to vibrations.

As for your tyres, of course they are not a perfect balance. That's why you must always balance your wheels every 6 months and when you put on new tyres. If you notice on new tyres, there is a red and yellow dot on the sidewall. Those dots signify the heaviest and lightest side of the tyre.

[sash_euro]

It's not caused by Honda. It's caused by owners who lower their car.
That's why Honda says not to lower your car if you want to keep your suspension warranty. :)
Can happen to any car if you lower it enough and drive for long enough

my car has never been lowered.

[tommmoe]

pfft, just swap the drive shafts out there only like $200 to buy brand new
do it your self!

[insanesam]

I am also experiencing vibration/shaking when accelerating at around 50km/h.
I have done balanced the wheels twice to no avail. So i'm leaning toward driveshaft/CV joint issues.
Does anyone know of a good place in sydney to get this fixed up and approx how much?
Also i have to go out of town this weekend. Are there any safety issues with the car being in this state is it it just more of an annoyance?

thanks