can a moderator help please..

[zco]

could someone please restore the posts from my existing for sale thread
into my new one as a moderator has made over 15 ppl angry they lost their dibs on their sale..

there was no need to close the thread..
a simple delete of irrelevant posts would have been sufficient

abuse of powers imo
goes with all moderators closing all types of threads too early.

thanks

[vampzzz]

restore the thread please.. don't want to lose my dibs :eek:

just reopen and delete whats irrelevant, how hard is that.. gees.

[JDM-EGG]

err wtf .. nearly lost my dibs cause of closing the old thread ! aiya .. so random , if i had went out . goneksiessss

[geeang]

I didn't see what was wrong with the old thread, I mean you requested that all comments be left for interest but closing the thread stuffed up the dibs everyone had.

[SPL_K]

Yeh why was the old thread closed? There must be a reason geez.

I still got my dibs on everything i wanted. Talk to me on MSN zico

[tuyen]

agreed. Could of closed thread and spoken to thread owner to work something out if they considered it to be 'spam'. A bit peeved that my dibs are all gone.

[JDM.Power]

i have probably lost the parts that i wanted to get dibs on. since i could not pm the OP.

anyway we can revive the old thread to show the OP who got dibs on what parts first.

[EK9]

yeah, Q maybe just make it "Closed" instead of deleted... that way ppl can still see the posts.

[Q_ball]

^ done, thread restored for reference, but closed to further posts.

[wynode]

Just to clarify, as per any other thread on this forum......moderators are there to keep SPAM and Off Topic posts out. So don't attack moderators for doing what they do VOLUNTARILY. If you abuse a moderator in your own thread, then you deserve an infraction as well as having your thread closed.

Selling via the for sale section is free and you reach hundreds of members for free. So do not forget that the next time you decide to abuse a moderator and then complain about them doing a 'shit job' when in reality they are doing what they should be doing.

If you don't like the rules then find another place.

EDIT: Thread opened as requested. However is this becomes a mod bashing thread I will close it again.

[zco]

the 'shit job' comment was directed at him deleting the thread.. he failed to reply to my pm as he was online and so i had to open this discussion thread..

soon after, you can see wihthin the space of 10minutes, you can see all the angry ppl on the forum.. and he felt the need to re-establish my thread

as for "attacking " a moderator, i simply told him to go f himself as he told me to f off
so i cannot attack when being attacked ?

and if anyone can find it, there was a thread about mods closing threads abit too early.. and this was meant to be brought up in the moderators section.. i cant seem to find it anymore.. help ? cheers

[wynode]

the 'shit job' comment was directed at him deleting the thread.. he failed to reply to my pm as he was online and so i had to open this discussion thread..

soon after, you can see wihthin the space of 10minutes, you can see all the angry ppl on the forum.. and he felt the need to re-establish my thread

as for "attacking " a moderator, i simply told him to go f himself as he told me to f off
so i cannot attack when being attacked ?

and if anyone can find it, there was a thread about mods closing threads abit too early.. and this was meant to be brought up in the moderators section.. i cant seem to find it anymore.. help ? cheers

I see nothing wrong with the decissions Q has made and this is my reasoning.

In your FS thread there were many off topic / spam posts. So Q replied advising users only to reply if it was related to the sale and deleted any off topic replies.

To which you replied "you stay the fock out of this" followed a minute later by "go **** yourself qball"

After getting an infraction (for spaming your own thread) you still continued. I see nothing wrong with what Q has done.

We don't like spam in the FS threads because the last thing a buyer wants to do is sift through pages of replies that are not related to the sale.

zco, looking at your thread history (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/search.php?searchid=2893475) in the for sale forum you have head plenty to sell in the last few months. You do not pay anything to access the For Sale forum so do not make accusations against moderators that are unjust. If you are so concerned about selling things then please find another site.

I noticed that you have recreated your thread that was closed. I have relocated this second thread till I can discuss with the other moderators.

[zco]

if you look at my PQ points i contribute enough to this forum. just because i do not create threads asking for assistance, or even post up useless threads in the lounge, you can see from my posts, i help users out. i answer questions. so do not tell me i do not contribute to this forum..

"To which you replied "you stay the fock out of this" " : so he can say it to me but i cant say it to him ?
post #2 clearly written there. i did nothing to offend qball or did nothing to attack him

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=110041

followed a minute later by "go **** yourself qball" - this was due to the fact that he wrote "go fockk off"
again, he tells me to **** off, why cant i say it to him wynode ?

where have you "relocated" this thread to ? the reason it was opened because qball managed to close the first one coz he was doing his job so well

please explain why a moderator can tell someone to "stay the fock out" but cannot be told that himself..
and also a mod can tell a user to "you go fock off" but the favour cannot be returned..





We don't like spam in the FS threads because the last thing a buyer wants to do is sift through pages of replies that are not related to the sale.

zco, looking at your thread history (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/search.php?searchid=2893475) in the for sale forum you have head plenty to sell in the last few months. You do not pay anything to access the For Sale forum so do not make accusations against moderators that are unjust. If you are so concerned about selling things then please find another site.

'fair enugh you dont like spam. but the way the thread was layed out, didnt need anyone to sift through pages but me. but rules are rules. okay. no spam.

there is no where in the terms and conditions that it states how mcuh im allowed to sell. EVERYONE on ozhonda knows howmcuh shit i have on my car to sell. yes my initial issue was about my thread.. , but its about how certain moderators go on tempermental power trips and we as users cannot do anything.

wyn i have told you already. look at the amount of replies this thread got in 10minutes. it is not only me that sees the problem. clearly somethign that needs to be discussed as you said..

[G-Stick]

i would have to agree to some extent. qball's actions were abit extreme and over the top. a simple delete of the unnecessary posts was sufficient but he seemed to have pissed off alot of people

[Q_ball]

You are only complaining and making a fuss now because of my actions within this thread;
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=110041

- I moderated a new user asking him why he posted a thread in a specific area which was wrong.
- You intervened by making a mockery of my post and actions
- I tell you to "stay the fck out of it" (NOT fck off) as it undermines the validity of my moderation.
- I was upset at you for posting the way you did because as a new user, its important that the OP abides by and respects the forum rules, its mods and the admin - otherwise they;ll jst see it as a jk and potentially run a muck.

RE: ur FS thread,
Sure the deletion was tough, but you persistently spammed ur own thread, after my warning for no off topic replies, which is valid in accordance to forum rules.

NOw lets just cut straight to the chase, the moderating in your fs thread is warranted bar the questionable deletion.
Youre simply cut at me for a personal issue which surrounds my words towards u in the WTB thread.
Take it offline mate, there's no need to kick up a stink about it on the forums.

[gheybo]

i would have to agree to some extent. qball's actions were abit extreme and over the top. a simple delete of the unnecessary posts was sufficient but he seemed to have pissed off alot of people

I agree with G-stick.

I believe Zco has helped many people on the forum as you can see his knowledge rating and i think the they can all vouch for him. You can't assume he is just using this forum just to sell parts as he has helped many users using this forum. I believe some people don't event contribute to technical posts when users need help and just spam all day trying to get some knowledge points.

[zco]

no, here you are assuming i made a mockery. you have the nerve to tell me that i made the "new user" have a negative attitude towards mods, but it was your comment of "you stay the fock out of this" that gives you moderators a bad name.. you brought it upon yourself. please do not shift the blame towards me in regards to your own angry words

I did not "intervene" i provided a possible answer to your question.. you did ask a question right ?
He is a newcomer, do you think they know everything ? it certainly isnt the attitude a newcomer is expecting to receive when he makes his first post on ozhonda.

Maybe you should think about how you talk to other ppl on the forums and what atmosphere it can provide to newcomers. Im sure everyone can agree to post #3 of that thread that it was OTT.. what do you say qball ?

"fock off" was in my for sale thread after you deleted my first post of "you stay the fock out of this". something you cannot tolerate being told.. what goes around comes around qball.

here is what you wrote.. "get the fock out" in other words fock off..

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/341/gayacz.jpg

if you say you are upset about something there is no need to tell someone to fock off.

i spammed my own thread because of your attitude as a moderator and it stinks. and you needed to be told infront of everyone . you think im kicking up a fuss now because of something last week ? i would have kicked up a fuss much earlier than that qball.. im sure you know me .

mate, i am simply having a discussion in the discussion section. something you wish not to have hence your earlier closure of this thread. if you wish to not participate in this discussion then please feel free to not click on this thread and not reply

and as for taking things offline. if you have a problem champ, feel free to come and find me anytime anywhere. you can have my undivided attention

[Q_ball]

no, here you are assuming i made a mockery. you have the nerve to tell me that i made the "new user" have a negative attitude towards mods, but it was your comment of "you stay the fock out of this" that gives you moderators a bad name.. you brought it upon yourself. please do not shift the blame towards me in regards to your own angry words
the simple act of you questioning my moderating actions in that thread, COULD lead to false impressions being made on the new user, that is all.
me blowing up about it is arguable, but its only because i was expecting cooperation from you

"fock off" was in my for sale thread after you deleted my first post of "you stay the fock out of this". something you cannot tolerate being told.. what goes around comes around qball.
if you say you are upset about something there is no need to tell someone to fock off.
the deletion of posts was purely clean up.
i felt your post advising me to get the fck out was a personal outburst, and that it wasnt about that particular piece of moderating within your fs thread.
i feel personal issues are best kept offline so again, i arched up at you by deleting ur post with the reason you fck off

i spammed my own thread because of your attitude as a moderator and it stinks.
mate, i am simply having a discussion in the discussion forum. somethign you wish not to have hence your earlier closure of this thread. if you wish to not participate in this discussion then please feel free to not click on this thread.

and as for taking things offline. if you have a problem champ, feel free to come and find me anytime anywhere. you can have my undivided attention
i will do so, i hope we can put an end to this childish bickering

As above.

[Q_ball]

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/341/gayacz.jpg

And for those that dont know wat was originally posted by zco, his post read "you stay the fock out of this"

[zco]

yes.. the same line that qball had used in another thread as seen below
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j255/zcozco/yes.jpg


the simple act of you questioning my moderating actions in that thread, COULD lead to false impressions being made on the new user, that is all.
me blowing up about it is arguable, but its only because i was expecting cooperation from youfair enough , yes it COULD lead to false impressions.. but your comment directly after it definately leaves a false impression.. abit hypocritical dont you think ?

*expecting cooperation ?
dont expect anything from anyone. you are only assuming that they will . if you had a problem with my post why didnt you just delete or edit it ? instead of having a personal outburst ?


the deletion of posts was purely clean up.
i felt your post advising me to get the fck out was a personal outburst, and that it wasnt about that particular piece of moderating within your fs thread.
i feel personal issues are best kept offline so again, i arched up at you by deleting ur post with the reason you fck offso thats your way of saying lets settle this offline by saying "you **** off" ? what atmosphere does this create for other new users ?it was not a personal outburst, as i dont have outbursts like you do in the thread outlined above. it was simply a boomerang line.. it came back to you and you cant deal with it. you chose not to delete your own comment with that same line in another thread, but you deleted mine ? abit hypocritical ?

how bout other users in the same thread? why were they not infracted, but only i was infracted due to "spamming" reasons
abit hypocritical dont you think ?
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j255/zcozco/orly.jpg


Wyn, could you also inform me on what you are discussing with other moderators about in regards to my thread and also the reason why my thread is relocated for the time being ? i feel that as a member who contributes to the forum, i have the right to sell any honda related parts i want for personal use. i have personal reasons to sell up my build and this is why i have decided to sell everything.. instead of selling a few parts.

thanks

[Q_ball]

Im over this, you have way to much time on your hands cropping and uploading images.

Im going to deal with this offline as this whole blow up things on both sides is purely personal which youve simply chosen to make public.

[aaronng]

I can't believe this bickering is going on. If there are personal issues, keep it to PM or keep it offline. No need to air your laundry (both of you) in here.

Re: Civic gearbox WTB, the thread was in the wrong section. Zco, from your post that you made in there as a jest to Qball, it looks like you were doing it in the spirit of fun (or just trying to egg him on if there was already a personal agenda). In my opinion based on my tolerance when I am performing mod duties, Qball overreacted there with his reply telling you to stay the fck out of it. I believe when performing as a mod, that mod-action posts must be straight to the point without any expletives. Mods are always learning, especially since for many mods, their daily lives do not include making judgement calls that happen here when performing mod duties. It is not that easy when a thread has to be closed, but members will think that you are a police-wannabe and someone else thinks that you are on a powertrip. Not an easy duty considering that all of us started out as members and enjoying/using this forum without having to think of moderating. There are many mods who have come and gone just because of the issues when performing moderating where they become public enemy no.1 and the time it takes to keep everything running smoothly.

Re: your FS thread, if it was spammed up, I would also have also deleted all the spam and give out infractions to everyone. If everyone in that thread was given fair warning that anymore spamming would cause the thread to be deleted, then the delete is not over the top. You have to remember that moderating is not black and white, and every mod has their own tolerance level. If you didn't like Qball's moderating attitude, kicking up a stink just to piss him off won't get anything done in your favour because the admin is not seeing it. Rather than kicking up a stink in your FS thread and risk it getting closed, you can instead make a complaint thread in site discussion, where the admin can make changes to moderating guidelines so we are not extreme in our decisions.

[zco]

Hey Aaron, thanks for the reply. It is much appreciated.

I didn't say the delete of spam was over the top, I AGREE with you that he did what he was supposed to do in deleting spam out of the posts.
But the initial delete of the thread itself was OTT. The first 10replies in this thread all agree it was OTT, and you can see he reopened it in agreeance.

He even admitted himself his blow up in the WTB thread as "arguable", and he even stated the deletion of my intial FS thread is "questionable". Yes, mods are hear to learn, we all learn new things as people each day, but try learning in a non-expletive manner. Im sure this discussion thread has shown other moderators that the way they talk to one person online can greatly affect many others indirectly, and it will.

His justification to me being infracted for spamming is fair, i accept responsibility for my own actions, but why only me that was infracted ? again, personal issues with me taken out online using moderating powers.

Clearly he has a personal issue with me, and chooses to take it out online. I have confronted Qball many times in the past off ozhonda and all he has to say is "If you dont like how i do things then see some one else". That is where i turn to Benjammin and Wynode.

The initial comment from me in the WTB thread MAY to someone people, seem like i was being a smartass, but it only provides some sort of explanation for the newcomer.
Newcomers are here to learn, and they'll only learn from mistakes which he has made. But it doesnt help when another member regardless of Mod status starts running his mouth like he owns the place.

It's funny you mention toleration levels. I do agree that some moderators have different tolerance levels, and maybe it can be discussed between moderators to have a set guidelines for you guys to follow.

[F.O.B Squad]

Do moderators get infractions from other moderators?

[JDM.Power]

Do moderators get infractions from other moderators?

never thought about that.. top work !

[EG5]

I see nothing wrong with the decissions Q has made and this is my reasoning.

In your FS thread there were many off topic / spam posts. So Q replied advising users only to reply if it was related to the sale and deleted any off topic replies.

To which you replied "you stay the fock out of this" followed a minute later by "go **** yourself qball"

After getting an infraction (for spaming your own thread) you still continued. I see nothing wrong with what Q has done.

We don't like spam in the FS threads because the last thing a buyer wants to do is sift through pages of replies that are not related to the sale.

zco, looking at your thread history (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/search.php?searchid=2893475) in the for sale forum you have head plenty to sell in the last few months. You do not pay anything to access the For Sale forum so do not make accusations against moderators that are unjust. If you are so concerned about selling things then please find another site.

I noticed that you have recreated your thread that was closed. I have relocated this second thread till I can discuss with the other moderators.

Im not a moderator here , Im just one of the trader.
But I can backed up Zico on this OZH forum.
Zico tried to help alot of people on this forum incl : help users find parts and direct them to the right places where they need .

I know alot of people will simply just say " do your research noob!"

Zico also came with me a few times to WSID as my pit crew . Even at compak attak 2009 drag event when we started the day as early as 5.30 am in the morning.

[JDM.Power]

I could say the same as EG5,
i met zico thru ozhonda, and he took me to my first ozhonda meet back in 2005.
and since then, ive always asked him whats best and whats what for honda's, he has always contributed to a thread with quality and useful information post.
& atm his helping me with my build, without zico i wouldnt even be doing this, with his help to source parts and others, zico is a one of the best user's on this based honda forum.

and to the "plenty of sale in the last few months" quote from wynode i back up zico also, i dont see any rules or guidelines, where on how much we can sell in a "Month" and so what if the people dont pay, just to post on the forum sale.
as it stated in the rules or whatever " you must CONTRIBUTE to the forums and be A MEMBER " nor it says " have to pay to sell in the forum " and zico has been a member and CONTRIBUTED alot since he first joined, so i would say he does have the privileged to sell as much as he want, from his hard worked from helping the forum.

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1051473&postcount=2

[phantom_civic]

Bring back Zicos for sale thread FFS!

[rawr]

I'm thinking it's a bit unfair that his thread got closed! Zco's really helpful and it's a bit unfair that mods can tell users in general to "fock off" but recieve no flak for it, but if a user does it he receives some kind of consequence!

[jdm_kid]

Some of the moderators are just lazy. seriously, i asked a simple request and what they do? they muck around and make me look silly. if you want to chase it up Wynode, im happy to provide you the thread, and you can look and what has be altered and all.

Zco is member who contributes to the forum ffs look how many pq blocks he has, like how often do you see that on the forum? very little. he has the right to sell any honda related parts, he should be treated like any other member, why should you stop him from doing something that everyone else can?

Without members like Zco, this forum would be blam as. seriously his one of the members that shows real quality parts in the show off parts pic thread.

i would blame Zco if he got angry, some of the moderators have an attitude problem - http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107986

are we expect to have the same knowledge and smartness of a modertator? we are all different u know

most of us are more polite than the mods, welps it really shows on the forum

:thumbdwn:

[mikoZ]

zco, looking at your thread history (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/search.php?searchid=2893475) in the for sale forum you have head plenty to sell in the last few months. You do not pay anything to access the For Sale forum so do not make accusations against moderators that are unjust. If you are so concerned about selling things then please find another site.


U can't only notice Zco have head plenty to sell in the for sale forum. he always help to ppl in this forum, and that u should to know!

i know zco from this forum, regarding on my tie rod problem, he help me alot, and swap the tie rod on my car for me, and with no charge! he also pass a lot of data/expierence to me!
I can say, number of people be helped by Zco is much more the FS items~!

[SPL_K]

Yeh Zco is one of the more known members of OzH who is simply willing to help people without asking for anything in return. There are plenty of users on this forum that doesn't appreciate the resources supplied but they're still allowed to roam these forums freely with no infractions on them.

And there are so many of these "hoons" at OzH meets that non of the rules posted in the meet section are even reinforced. We know who these "hoons" are but nothing is even done, they're not even banned from the forum. Honestly, EVERY OZHONDA meet there has been idiots breaking the rules and nothing has been done about it.

Why even bother having rules? People break them on a more serious level and nothing is done. But there's plenty to be done over bitching and bickering on the forum.

[G-Stick]

yep i can back all of these members up when they say zico has helped out heaps. he helped me plan sydney trip advising me where to go and how to get there. and hasnt had anything to gain from it at all, so i would assume he should be treated like everyone else if not more respected.

[mocchi]

E-riots!

[bennjamin]

Some good points on both sides - I speak on belhaf of all mods that some times "We" need a kick in the ass with our editing and posting in general. We ARE human the same as YOU lot. Myself definitley included.

Problem is , it is always in situations like this (world vs nazi mods) that the trolls in people come out of the woodwork and search for examples of our bad work - post a link but never bother to point it out before.

Regardless of how much zco helped out people off this forum , his thread was shut down otherwise because it breached our terms and conditions. Zco gets no special treatment compared to any other member to noob alike.

[trism]

bennjamin, you just used the term "nazi mods"

ive been infracted for that, as have other members coz Wyn doesnt like it

[WTNESS]

i got infracted for posting a nazi picture saying thats ozhonda moderators


Oh wow... e-warrior 101... suggestions of a meetup + violence.

See you at the next Ozhonda meet then WTNESS.
Bring your friends ;)

i really like the wink, it adds a touch to the meaning

is this an appropriate thing for a mod to say to a user? I DONT THINK SOO!!!

and plus why does q_ball wanna risk his balls being choped up and fed to him to say something like this and meaning it

sometimes i just dont understand


Im over this, you have way to much time on your hands cropping and uploading images.

Im going to deal with this offline as this whole blow up things on both sides is purely personal which youve simply chosen to make public.

wow threatning another one.. u must be on the roll there..

[bennjamin]

bennjamin, you just used the term "nazi mods"

ive been infracted for that, as have other members coz Wyn doesnt like it

you are right that i used it , but not in a negative suggestive or directive context. Its descriptive of what some members think of "mods".




i got infracted for posting a nazi picture saying thats ozhonda moderators


you did because it is deemed offensive to moderators - that take care of this joint for you. It seeds further negative comebacks "against the system".

[Benson]

Some good points on both sides - I speak on belhaf of all mods that some times "We" need a kick in the ass with our editing and posting in general. We ARE human the same as YOU lot. Myself definitley included.

Problem is , it is always in situations like this (world vs nazi mods) that the trolls in people come out of the woodwork and search for examples of our bad work - post a link but never bother to point it out before.

Regardless of how much zco helped out people off this forum , his thread was shut down otherwise because it breached our terms and conditions. Zco gets no special treatment compared to any other member to noob alike.

Well said... :thumbsup:

Lets be more mature about it

[zco]

Some good points on both sides - I speak on belhaf of all mods that some times "We" need a kick in the ass with our editing and posting in general. We ARE human the same as YOU lot. Myself definitley included.

Problem is , it is always in situations like this (world vs nazi mods) that the trolls in people come out of the woodwork and search for examples of our bad work - post a link but never bother to point it out before.

Regardless of how much zco helped out people off this forum , his thread was shut down otherwise because it breached our terms and conditions. Zco gets no special treatment compared to any other member to noob alike.

you may say you need a kick in the butt, but when

they are speaking in terms of my 2nd thread. wynode closed it as he assumed and indirectly implied that i used forums purely for selling. even posted a link trying to show me all the threads i created..

i create new threads to keep it clean, so new users dont have to sift through the rubbish posted in relation to older items. there are other members that have sold more stuff than i have.

if you are calling me a troll, then perhaps you should read the entire thread.. i brought up a comment Qball made last week outside of ozhonda, and he justified his actions. so fair enough, if thats how he wants to talk to people, and think its okay, then we should be following what the moderators do. they set examples for the rest of us right ? so when i make the exact same comment to him, he realises it doesnt feel so nice to be talked to liek that, gets abit touchy and everyone suffers with whiplash.

yes, we are all being mature about it by discussing this in a discussion forum. its never going to change if its a one on one conversation, as the mod will always think the user is the only one that has a bad attitude, and shoves it aside. by opening this to the public for them to judge themselves, it will possibly send a message.

as for all the guys that have shown some form of understanding of my perspective, thanks a whole heap. however, i do urge further comments to be positive about the situation, and to not attack any moderators..

a discussion is what we should be having and not a bitch fight.

[tuyen]

So is zico not allowed to make anymore 'for sale' threads?

I don't think any more proof that he has been an a very valuable long term member is required after looking at his status

[mocchi]

wow zco, i thought youre just a jdm whore. i thought wrong. doesnt matter what mods say, we all know what happened. although just like ben said we need to remember mods can also act like noob fockers. subject to human flaws.

since the dibs werent lost, and youve made youre point zco, how about we just get it over with?

[bennjamin]

zco if i wanted my comments directed at you i would of stated your name.I refer to those before and after your posts.
I post a thought to all. Be mature and lets work through this.

Just a thought zeek- why dont you put abit of that cash into becoming a trader then you can sell whatever you want in your own little forum ?

[wynode]

So is zico not allowed to make anymore 'for sale' threads?


Do not jump to conclusions thanks.



since the dibs werent lost, and youve made youre point zco, how about we just get it over with?

We haven't completed our discussion regarding the thread in question however here are my comments (in point form in no particular order):



As ben has said, moderators are not perfect and looking at the thread in concern (zco's FS thread) I think the actions made in that thread were justified. I can't say I agree with some of the comments made by the moderator but that is something that I will be raising with him. This includes moderator etiquette. zco, if you had a problem with Q's comment towards you in that other thread, then you should have brought that up at the time instead of bringing it up now.
You asked for this thread to be open zco and I obliged. Why? Because as I always say I am open to member feedback. If I wasn't, this thread wouldn't be open and we would not be discussing this whole issue.
zco, you will know the outcome of our decissions when we tell you so please do not pressure us into what we are discussing re your FS thread. I did not mean to imply that you do not contribute to this site by linking your FS threads so do not jump to conclusions. My point was that the OH FS section is of great interest to you and hence why there is such a fuss being kicked up.

Hopefully this thread won't turn to crap before we can make a decission.

[ek4-guy]

you are right that i used it , but not in a negative suggestive or directive context. Its descriptive of what some members think of "mods".





you did because it is deemed offensive to moderators - that take care of this joint for you. It seeds further negative comebacks "against the system".

just a thought if the term is offensive to some maybe in future try not to use it in any form

after all people tend to mimic the actions that they see (as in zco's example of the words exchanged between himself and Qball)

maybe in times where you may use the term lead by example and try to coin a new catch phrase such as overzelous mods ect

[bennjamin]

We as moderators try to lead by example and that is a good point.

[aaronng]

just a thought if the term is offensive to some maybe in future try not to use it in any form

The term fck is offensive, yet everyone uses it in some form that is not in the context of swearing (i.e. this is fcking difficult). So you cannot blanket ban the term. You always have to look at the context that it is being used in.

[joyride]

the moderators can't run it 24 hrs a day because they have a life outside of OH unlike some people that post on OH almost everyday.
you should be so lucky the site admin doesn't delete the spam thread or even worse - make the users pay to be a part of the OH community.
these guys are trying their best to keep this forum fair to all members whether the members contribute to the forum or not.

just remember that everyone makes mistakes, everyone gets mad and not everyone knows everything.. mods included.

[zco]

wow zco, i thought youre just a jdm whore. i thought wrong. doesnt matter what mods say, we all know what happened. although just like ben said we need to remember mods can also act like noob fockers. subject to human flaws.

since the dibs werent lost, and youve made youre point zco, how about we just get it over with?

we cant get over it because things are still being discussed between moderators about my thread. as you have stated, i have made my point, every one has agreed and even moderators are questioning their actions.


zco if i wanted my comments directed at you i would of stated your name.I refer to those before and after your posts.
I post a thought to all. Be mature and lets work through this.

Just a thought zeek- why dont you put abit of that cash into becoming a trader then you can sell whatever you want in your own little forum ?
apologies about that ben, i did not intend to insult you. should have read it in context.

as for your thought, put abit of what cash ? i dont sell things to make a profit. sure, sometimes i make a few hundred, but there are times i pay top dollar and sell for alot less than what i got it for.

i do not feel the need to pay to become a trader as i do not sell to make a profit. i also do not commercially sell anything. i do it for the hobby and help of other users. as you can see, my knowledge may not be as great as others on here, but i try my best to help where i can and deserve the right to sell for free as everyone has.







As ben has said, moderators are not perfect and looking at the thread in concern (zco's FS thread) I think the actions made in that thread were justified. I can't say I agree with some of the comments made by the moderator but that is something that I will be raising with him. This includes moderator etiquette. zco, if you had a problem with Q's comment towards you in that other thread, then you should have brought that up at the time instead of bringing it up now.

You asked for this thread to be open zco and I obliged. Why? Because as I always say I am open to member feedback. If I wasn't, this thread wouldn't be open and we would not be discussing this whole issue.
zco, you will know the outcome of our decissions when we tell you so please do not pressure us into what we are discussing re your FS thread. I did not mean to imply that you do not contribute to this site by linking your FS threads so do not jump to conclusions. My point was that the OH FS section is of great interest to you and hence why there is such a fuss being kicked up.

Hopefully this thread won't turn to crap before we can make a decission.

wynode, i already raised the issue with Q last week offozhonda aswell. i did not kick up a fuss about it online. i only bring the matter in this week to provide some form of proof for all to see that i have acted in the same manner as a moderator and got the whip for it.

you dont have to justify yourself wynode, i do know you are open for discussion. im sure other members, and myself do appreciate it.. thanks

once again, please do not assume that i am kicking up a fuss just because its in the for sale section. if a certain moderator had made the same comment to me in another section i would have said the same thing.. the greatest interest to me would be the appearance section - ek thread, show off thread, followed by the EG thread, hot asian girls thread and then hot chicks thread. lol it is not the for sale thread. most of my posts are in those threads if you wanna have a look, but thats besides the point

the for sale section would be for parts i have lying around, but this time, its all the parts.

it will not turn to crap. if it does, all you need to do is delete posts.. and then infract, keeping it open for other members to discuss

[Q_ball]

wow threatning another one.. u must be on the roll there..
You really have no idea huh?!
You know nothing of the situation yet you are so eager to jump on the "lets get qball bandwagon" all because there was a bit of e-biff between you and I before.

Zco and i are mates outside of the forum, hence my call to resolve it offline - there's no violence at all.
All this mess has come about due to some bad judgement on my behalf which has resulted in me saying "GTFO" or something to that extent to Zco, something which he has taken offense to and has chosen to re-enact towards me in another thread.

Zco, as i have said before, i will try to sort this out with you offline.
But it will have to wait till after i get back from wollongong.

Re: the for sale thread, the for sale forum and Zco's contribution,
*The thread itself is not breaching any rules apart from the spam posts which have been cleared.
*As everyone has already mentioned, zco's rep points alone display his contribution to this forum, enough said.

[WTNESS]

^ does a moderator have to much pride to apologize for making a mistake?

[aaronng]

^ does a moderator have to much pride to apologize for making a mistake?
Please DO NOT bring the "us vs moderators" mentality here. We do not need this kind of attitute. There is NOTHING about being a mod that brings pride, satisfaction nor even emotional rewards. All it brings is the hatred and dislike from other members whose thread you have to delete because it is against the terms and conditions. So please refrain from trying to stirr the mods up.

[WTNESS]

im not stirring, im just asking?

why cant people admit they made a mistake and apologize

[dc2dc2dc2]

people these days never admit to mistakes, either handball it onto someone else or beat around the bush. WTNESS is correct, just man up and admit u made a mistake.

[wynode]

^ does a moderator have to much pride to apologize for making a mistake?

Why don't you stop shit stirring and read the post above yours. I see you've been here only since the end of last year so you will not have any appreciation for what it takes to moderate and manage a forum of this size. Please keep your out if you have nothing to contribute. See my dot points at the end of this message.


we cant get over it because things are still being discussed between moderators about my thread. as you have stated, i have made my point, every one has agreed and even moderators are questioning their actions.


Thanks but nobody is perfect and if we didn't question our actions we wouldn't be very accomodating. It takes a lot to admit any wrong doing and I think Q has been quite forthcoming. That does not mean that all his actions were unnaceptable.

Anyway, to recap......this is what I have learnt and these are the outcomes of all this.


I am sick of members provoking moderators. I stress to moderators that forum etiquette is important, however members cannot think that they can have a go at moderators, and then have a cry when a moderator comes down hard on them. These moderators spend a heck of a lot of time not only browsing the forums but also weeding out the bickering between members. The sadest part is that a lot of the members that provoke the mods are either friends, long time members or former moderators. I will not stand for this anymore. If you expect respect from a moderator, then make sure you give them some respect.
We are (and always have been) against Off topic / spam posts in the for sale forum. I for one (on other forums) would prefer not to scroll through numerous OT posts in a thread just to find the relevant ones. Hence why our stance on OT and SPAM posts.
zco's thread will most probably be restored however there will be some conditions in regards to the 'dibs' style nature of it. To me it is an auction type thread like ebay which we do not allow. So when it is restored I will be contacting zco via PM to highlight this.

I believe what needs to be discussed has been discussed in this thread so I am closing it. If the OP needs it opened then he can PM me.

[zco]

Thanks Wynode, please feel free to reply to my PM regarding that dibs style approach. The reasoning is there in the PM i sent you this morning. And also if you could explain to me via pm why the moderating team believe its an ebay style approach, thanks. It doesnt belong in this thread and this thread can be closed as the main issue has been raised.

[zco]

thanks for that JDM.Power, but issue has been raised already with wynode via PM as it doesnt have anything to do with this thread.

[krogoth]

subscribe to ozhonda u nOob, lol

300 pm box!!!!!!!!

[wynode]

Closing thread as issues have been discussed.