5th gen Si vs VTiR

[[SDCTVE]]

Ok im looking at buying a 5th gen, but im after a manual. i was originally after a VTiR, but since they are so hard to find in a manual i've been looking at Si's cos theres alot more manual ones going around.
im just after some feedback from someone thats driven both... is there much of a difference in power? im not gonna be redlining all the time...prob wont even get upto 5000rpm. but im really tossing up between the 2
whats more fun to drive?? A manual Si or auto VTiR?????

[MWAKU]

lmao vtir definately will be more fun 2 drive.

[6thgear]

In terms of fun, definitely the vtir...

Si being the base model may be a little more "basic" or plain, but would be cheaper insurance.

BUT, once you've experienced the fun that goes with vtec, you may prefer the vtir. also comes with auto climate control and sunroof, carbon fibre interior bits, although that can easily be amended by diy.

i'd suggest take different ones for a test drive, as each to their own

[aaronng]

Manual VTiR would be the way to go. If you can find a dirt cheap auto VTiR with a broken gearbox, you can do a manual conversion. :)

[Petronas]

The H22a engine in the VTi-R is a beautiful free revving one... Smiles all the time... Decent'ish torque as well...

If going for the VTi-R definitely manual as the auto seems to have allot of the problems with it being fragile...

[Manabir]

also comes with auto climate control and sunroof, carbon fibre interior bits, although that can easily be amended by diy.

how are the digital climate control and the sunroof "easily amended by diy"?
it isnt easy to hook up all the sensors for the climate control and is cutting a hole in the roof really a diy?

get a vtir....much nicer car.
more extras, as explained above, a nice amount of extra power and 5 stud wheels (better selection of aftermarkets)

[koj]

si is half the fun....

[HaiiSon]

how are the digital climate control and the sunroof "easily amended by diy"?
it isnt easy to hook up all the sensors for the climate control and is cutting a hole in the roof really a diy?

get a vtir....much nicer car.
more extras, as explained above, a nice amount of extra power and 5 stud wheels (better selection of aftermarkets)

i think he meant the carbon fibre bits lol

[preludeman]

u mean carbon overlay bits =P

[6thgear]

hahaha thanks for the clarification guys. yeah i'd meant the carbon overlay bits to be precise...

[[SDCTVE]]

a mate of mine recommended a proton satria gti? anyone know anything about them?

[Manabir]

are you a hair dresser?
do you take dick up the arse?
do you suck ****?
are you an interior decorator?


if the answer to ANY of these questions is "yes" then get a satria.

[VT-11-RR]

are you a hair dresser?
do you take dick up the arse?
do you suck ****?
are you an interior decorator?


if the answer to ANY of these questions is "yes" then get a satria.

lmao i agree :p

[[SDCTVE]]

hahaha are they that bad? they're not bad looking cars, but i dunno if i trust malaysian cars...

they're reasonably priced aswell

[gumus89]

In the end youve still got a proton..

[Petronas]

lol @ proton...

Hey they own 'Lotus'... Can't be that bad in the suspension department...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/ProtonSatriaR3-MelbMotorshow.JPG

[rbk_212]

satrias arent THAT bad as a car, but in the end everytime someone asks what you drive youll have to explain to them its a proton "but its a GTI and its pretty quick etc etc"

believe me youd rather a manual vti-r anyday, be it prelude, integra or civic

[[SDCTVE]]

the engine in the satria is actually a lancer gsr engine without the turbo

[[SDCTVE]]

satrias arent THAT bad as a car, but in the end everytime someone asks what you drive youll have to explain to them its a proton "but its a GTI and its pretty quick etc etc"

believe me youd rather a manual vti-r anyday, be it prelude, integra or civic

yea i know, but im just camparing it to what id be paying for a honda, wether its a civic, prelude or integra

a 2000 model gti with less than 140xxx on the clock will go for around $7500

a manual vti-r wont go for less than 10k, and will prob have more kms

[koj]

when you buy a satria gti, all you get is a 1993 mitsubishi mirage with a lancer gsr motor.

its a ripped off version of a mirage cyborg r, which has a lovely 1.6L mivec donk

http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/articles/i1083/108381_9mg.jpg

[INVSBL]

lol @ proton...

Hey they own 'Lotus'... Can't be that bad in the suspension department...


lol good one :p

[rbk_212]

;2227603']yea i know, but im just camparing it to what id be paying for a honda, wether its a civic, prelude or integra

a 2000 model gti with less than 140xxx on the clock will go for around $7500

a manual vti-r wont go for less than 10k, and will prob have more kms

well if cost is a real limiting factor than your choices will be a bit limited.
as said above a satria is still a mirage basically.

a much better car that should be in the price range would be a pulsar SSS. SR20 motor and a pretty good looking thing too.

N15 would be my pick as N14 pulsars are getting old now

[[SDCTVE]]

yea i had a look at a N15 sss, but i think the gti is a better drive, and better looking!

I've done my research, and it kinda makes me confident now cos i know the satria Gti originated from Mitsubishi...
and i know Mitsubishi has a good reputation with the lancer gsr/evo

its ashame the Gti has a proton badge and not a mitsubishi :P

[INVSBL]

or u could just buy the mirage????

[[SDCTVE]]

or u could just buy the mirage????

yea your right, because those mirages are just all over Australia!?!

[INVSBL]

bahaha, and those protons arnt????
i only said that coz u said u didnt like the proton badge.

[[SDCTVE]]

bahaha, and those protons arnt????
i only said that coz u said u didnt like the proton badge.

you mean are those protons around in Australia? and the answer is yes! they're an Australain delivered car! and they're all over carsales!

[INVSBL]

dude wat are u on about?
ur first reply sounds liek u didnt want a mirage cause they are everywere, now it sounds like u want a proton cause they are everywere.

wtf?

[[SDCTVE]]

mate i was being sarcastic lol referring to the black mirage (proton satria) posted by koj in post #20. thats a mirage we never got in australia and thats what the proton satria is based on...

[INVSBL]

yeah i fail to read sarcasim, and i meant any mirage in general, not that one :p

[[SDCTVE]]

fair enough... i wouldnt even bother with a mirage, i only like the proton cos its a standout.. and it has a good engine.

[gumus89]

The black proton above looks alright, but thats cos you can barely see the proton badge. And its really shiny. If it was any other colour it wouldnt look as good.

[The Lude]

lol @ proton...

Hey they own 'Lotus'... Can't be that bad in the suspension department...

FIAT owns Ferrari but their cars are still terribad econoboxes ^.^

2 very different departments, As if the Lotus designers would be caught dead strolling through the proton part of the office :p

[gumus89]

Sorta like having a kid with the town hooker. Dont wanna be seen anywhere near the thing.

[dsp26]

the gti is till "fun".

the engine is an absolute nugget but the sussy is quite awesome... i forgot how slow the car was after taking it through a mountain run back in the days.

you'd still get your 15sec 1/4 mile out of it with the basic i/h/e mods but the car obviously isn't made for that... but then again who cares... i've seen the turbo 4g63 engines off the gsr sell for around $1500 or less... maybe a project for later.

[EG52NV]

your stock vtir will never out handle a stock proton gti, from factory the GTi handles like its on rails!

But I would't be caught dead with that proton/mitsu engine.. I think my sohc vtec puts out more power lol..

[gumus89]

Now a VTiR ATTS on the other hand...

[Brash22]

...would still have a great view of the GTi's tail lights. My mate's got one and it's freakishly quick up in the hills. And his mate has one that's been modified a bit and is faster on the tight twisty stuff.

[gumus89]

Why's that?
Its only 100kgs less weight. Did it have really good tyres?

[HaiiSon]

Go ATTS o.O

[ChiLLie]

are you a hair dresser?
do you take dick up the arse?
do you suck ****?
are you an interior decorator?


if the answer to ANY of these questions is "yes" then get a satria.

hahahaha, i actually met a hair dresser dude in japan that owned one!! and yeh, he played for the 'other' team..

[drifter]

man if u are thinking about 5TH GEN prelude SI VS VTI-R
you should go VTI-R mate.... 2.2 Vtec engine and it has more torque and power...
but if u could get ur self a 5th gen honda prelude Type S that even Better man...

[Mechaniac]

What do you guys think of this example i am thinking of buying this one or something similar.
http://www.carpoint.com.au/used-car/HONDA/PRELUDE/New%20South%20Wales/csn6951138.aspx?postcode=2102&distance=100

[NeRV]

get one with an OEM lip kit already on it! trust me it looks much better and its cheaper to do it that way, because if you buy the kit new from Honda it is roughly $1400+ and that is unpainted.

[drifter]

get one with an OEM lip kit already on it! trust me it looks much better and its cheaper to do it that way, because if you buy the kit new from Honda it is roughly $1400+ and that is unpainted.

yeah man...........

if ur lucky enough u might find one with leather seat..........

[_bORdO_]

SDCTVE - if your after a proton, your on the wrong forum lol ;p
never the less you were just looking for an opinion, so here's mine XD~


;2216190']Ok im looking at buying a 5th gen, but im after a manual. i was originally after a VTiR, but since they are so hard to find in a manual i've been looking at Si's cos theres alot more manual ones going around.
im just after some feedback from someone thats driven both... is there much of a difference in power? im not gonna be redlining all the time...prob wont even get upto 5000rpm. but im really tossing up between the 2
whats more fun to drive?? A manual Si or auto VTiR?????

if we were to go back to your original post looking at the key points.
i would say to buy the Manual Si.
1. cheaper price.
2. cheaper to run
3. if your only planning on pushing your car to 5k rpm then you might as well get the Si as it allows you to go to 6.8k (don't quote me on that but it definatly goes past 5k rpm)
4. the most important of all factors is its manual
anyone who drives a manual car would understand and agree that driving a manual car is a lot more fun and a lot less boring and brain dead. you can snap and drop gears... rev/dump all over the place. (gives the left side of your body something to do)

flipside - you will notice less power driving the manual as the auto has VTEC
and it wont sound as good as the VTEC's ROAR! not sure if that bothers you ^_-? but then all your doing with the auto is putting your foot to the floor and hoping the thing picks up revs as fast as possible, no skill involved.

Peace.

[r3ckless]

how coem in Sydney, it is extremely rare to find a good vtir with 150K or less with leather seats man. GEEZ..at a decent price, not this 20K DREAMER price.

[drifter]

lol...............most prelude i seem these days are around 130k +

[Manabir]

how coem in Sydney, it is extremely rare to find a good vtir with 150K or less with leather seats man. GEEZ..at a decent price, not this 20K DREAMER price.

i got my lude from sydney a year and a half ago
99 vtir
leather
144,000km (at the time)
$15,500

they are around...and with the ecomomic shit right now they should be cheaper cause its hard to sell cars right now.

[mapdit]

omg.. i never knew i had lil carbon-fibre bits in my car?! though they were just cheaper versions... but yes VTiR is the gO!

[gumus89]

Why would the Si be cheaper to run?

They are both quoted to have almost identical fuel usages, the Si actually being slightly less economical.

[_bORdO_]

Why would the Si be cheaper to run?

They are both quoted to have almost identical fuel usages, the Si actually being slightly less economical.

im probably wrong when i say this but i would assume, vtec - being classified as a high preformance car, require tuning on services, use high preformance oils, high octane fuels etc... which essentially hold a higher dollar value therefore being more expensive to maintain.

it probably wouldnt be that much of a difference between a stock Si VS stock VTi-R though most honda owners who own Vtec models, at some stage, will modify their machines (who can resist) this then creates more needed attention (more $$$).

I dont usually see modified base model hondas.

[gumus89]

Some of those are fair enough, but the oils are the same, both would use Honda FEO.
The fuels are different, the VTiR needing 95 and the Si needing 91.