WTF - My ferrari tubi exhaust

[power_of_dreams]

How come my thread got deleted?
I said to PM me before you deleted it as well.
FFS

[mrwillz]

lol
cool part thought
but you can sell only HONDA parts here i believe

[power_of_dreams]

What about the guy who not only put up a thread for a toyota knob, but SOLD IT?

http://ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=110776

[Q_ball]

Honda parts only.
If there was someone else that has managed to sell a non-honda part on the forums, then its simply a case of it slipping through the cracks.

[power_of_dreams]

Slipping through the cracks = shitty moderating?

[Q_ball]

Call it what you will, but given a mods time on a forum, its impossible for us to net every single instance.
Theres a report post button that you can use to help us pick every instance of this.
Alternatively, a PM to any mod + link to to that thread would've done the trick also.

[power_of_dreams]

What about getting more mods?

[Type S Tony]

What were u selling, a ferrari exhaust?

[Q_ball]

What about getting more mods?

How about you help the community out by reporting posts that you see that are clearly illegal, rather than simply posting within the thread saying:


So are mods going to let this one slip though?
I suppose it doesn't matter since he's already got a potential buyer.

If there is a need for more mods, then thats an issue that Wynode will need to address.

[power_of_dreams]

I could've reported it and probably should've, but that's not my job.
He already had reached a potential buyer(s) before I stumbled across it anyway, and that is my major qualm.

My thread was closed within 15 minutes, yet his thread went on for 4 days?

[Q_ball]

So thats just lucky of him.

You know the forum rules mate, dont go about trying to kick up a stink just because you got caught out!

So is there anything constructive you'd like to add to this thread aside from complaining that "he got away with it but not me!"
Because if thats all you're going to be saying, this conversation is over.

[power_of_dreams]

I'm not really kicking up a stink, since I actually don't have a Ferrari Tubi exhaust to sell.
It was an experiment, to see what would happen more than anything.

In conclusion, I would like to see better moderating and/or more moderators.

[zco]

just a side note: perhaps moderators could have a look at modifications that can fit honda cars aswell, and create guidelines for them. Such things like a CAT converters from HSV or a Falcon/XR6 would definately be handy to those hondas making more power. Another example could be FTO or WRX Seats fitting into our Honda's. If they decide to not have these for sale, then that would be understandable and maybe an update in the conditions of posting in the FS section.

As for the deletion of the OP's FS thread, perhaps the moderator was just following the guidlines of his job. You cannot blame mods for not noticing everything that goes on. They have their own lives to run aswell. As Q_ball has stated, use the report a post if you're not happy.

[Q_ball]

just a side note: perhaps moderators could have a look at modifications that can fit honda cars aswell, and create guidelines for them. Such things like a CAT converters from HSV or a Falcon/XR6 would definately be handy to those hondas making more power. Another example could be FTO or WRX Seats fitting into our Honda's. If they decide to not have these for sale, then that would be understandable and maybe an update in the conditions of posting in the FS section.

Perhaps this is a good idea from a buyer/seller's persepctive but not from a moderating/logistical one.
A lot of things can be made to fit another make/model given the right modifications and money is injected into the mod.
This is a honda forum, so its only natural that only honda parts/vehicles are allowed to be sold here.
This rule is a clear cut and simple rule to enforce and follow as it minimizes the number of 50/50 scenarios - if its not honda, its not on.

People expect too much of our FS section.. when it all comes as a FREE service.
If you're not happy, then simply PAY to sell on tradingpost or ebay and they'll be most accomodating.

[Q_ball]

I'm not really kicking up a stink, since I actually don't have a Ferrari Tubi exhaust to sell.
It was an experiment, to see what would happen more than anything.

In conclusion, I would like to see better moderating and/or more moderators.

Fair enough, but as said before, this is something for Wyn and the other admin/mods to decide.

[zco]

Perhaps this is a good idea from a buyer/seller's persepctive but not from a moderating/logistical one.
A lot of things can be made to fit another make/model given the right modifications and money is injected into the mod.
This is a honda forum, so its only natural that only honda parts/vehicles are allowed to be sold here.
This rule is a clear cut and simple rule to enforce and follow as it minimizes the number of 50/50 scenarios - if its not honda, its not on.

People expect too much of our FS section.. when it all comes as a FREE service.
If you're not happy, then simply PAY to sell on tradingpost or ebay and they'll be most accomodating.


Yeh, it was only a suggestion as i stated, if not then no loss. We've been buying and selling as is for so many years without issues. If it doesnt break then dont fix it. but if its an improvement then why not ?

kinda like wheels i say.. fits on one car, and may fit our honda's.. conditions of posting should be updated to stop ppl from getting having a cry

if it does make ppls job's harder and cost more then theres really no point doing it

[power_of_dreams]

just a side note: perhaps moderators could have a look at modifications that can fit honda cars aswell, and create guidelines for them. Such things like a CAT converters from HSV or a Falcon/XR6 would definately be handy to those hondas making more power. Another example could be FTO or WRX Seats fitting into our Honda's. If they decide to not have these for sale, then that would be understandable and maybe an update in the conditions of posting in the FS section.

As for the deletion of the OP's FS thread, perhaps the moderator was just following the guidlines of his job. You cannot blame mods for not noticing everything that goes on. They have their own lives to run aswell. As Q_ball has stated, use the report a post if you're not happy.

Where do you draw the line? With enough work, my "F430 Tubi exhaust" could fit on a dc5r.


Fair enough, but as said before, this is something for Wyn and the other admin/mods to decide.

Can you please update this thread when you guys make a decision.

[Q_ball]

Where do you draw the line? With enough work, my "F430 Tubi exhaust" could fit on a dc5r.

Thats exactly my point.
A rule that allows so many grey areas and 50/50 situations, is NOT a good rule.


Can you please update this thread when you guys make a decision.
Will do, most of the other guys should respond to this within the next day or so.

[aaronng]

Where do you draw the line? With enough work, my "F430 Tubi exhaust" could fit on a dc5r.

Please stick within logic... Have you seen a F430 exhaust (even just a pic) before? It has 2 inlet pipes. Last I checked, any 4-cyl Honda had only 1 inlet pipe. Unless someone has a V6 Accord and wants to make it sound like a 3-cyl Daihatsu Mira or someone with an NSX is silly enough to buy a F430 tubi instead of a NSX tubi, it makes no sense putting that FS thread.

Personally, I wouldn't have deleted it because it was a Ferrari. I would have deleted it because you didn't have the item in the first place! :thumbdwn:

[zco]

Thats exactly my point.
A rule that allows so many grey areas and 50/50 situations, is NOT a good rule.


:thumbsup:

[aaronng]

BTW, if someone had an aftermarket shifter stick with an M12 x 1.25 pattern, then they would have to use a Toyota knob. Heck, even the knob that I am using is NOT a Honda knob!

[power_of_dreams]

Please stick within logic... Have you seen a F430 exhaust (even just a pic) before? It has 2 inlet pipes. Last I checked, any 4-cyl Honda had only 1 inlet pipe. Unless someone has a V6 Accord and wants to make it sound like a 3-cyl Daihatsu Mira or someone with an NSX is silly enough to buy a F430 tubi instead of a NSX tubi, it makes no sense putting that FS thread.

Personally, I wouldn't have deleted it because it was a Ferrari. I would have deleted it because you didn't have the item in the first place! :thumbdwn:

But with enough work, I could change it to a 1 inlet pipe.
Or maybe I had a 430 motor in my civic.
See what I mean?
Where do you draw the line?

If you think that the Toyota knob was ok to be in the for sale section, what do you define as "Honda"?

[power_of_dreams]

BTW, if someone had an aftermarket shifter stick with an M12 x 1.25 pattern, then they would have to use a Toyota knob. Heck, even the knob that I am using is NOT a Honda knob!

If for some abstract reason someone had an aftermarket shifter stick with an M12 x 1.25 pattern, they would have to use a knob that suits.

This knob does not necessarily have to be a toyota knob, just a knob that is M12 x 1.25.

So you may not be using a "Honda" knob, but I'm assuming you are using a knob that is M12 x 1.5, which is how it came out of the factory.

Again, where do you draw the line?
Ferrari engine in a civic is pretty absurd, but someone with a 1.25 in their honda isn't that far off.
Are we going to cater for every individual and their individual modifications?

[90LAN]

what u can do is post your non honda in the apperance section
because it is allowed
then u can can say i mite be selling this exhaust soon to get another
seems to the norm these days on ozHONDA
then just continue with the thread and post non honda parts up

[hisoka]

But with enough work, I could change it to a 1 inlet pipe.
Or maybe I had a 430 motor in my civic.
See what I mean?
Where do you draw the line?

If you think that the Toyota knob was ok to be in the for sale section, what do you define as "Honda"?


be realistic, who has a 430 motor in there civic.

if it was like that on this forum, then people who start throwing RB26 up, and saying with enough work it could fit in a civic.

i think the for sale section is okai the way it is now. i wouldve deleted it aswell. ferrari

[power_of_dreams]

be realistic, who has a 430 motor in there civic.

if it was like that on this forum, then people who start throwing RB26 up, and saying with enough work it could fit in a civic.

i think the for sale section is okai the way it is now. i wouldve deleted it aswell. ferrari

that is the whole jist of my argument.
what do you deem as realistic?

I sound like I am droning on and on, reapeating myself over and over again..
Who has a 1.25 thread on their honda gearstick?
Are we going to cater for every individual and his potentially crazy modifications?

[hisoka]

exactly , we cant cater for every individual and his potentially crazy modifications~

so just better to leave a good thing alone, and keep selling honda parts only

[Mr_will]

I'm not really kicking up a stink, since I actually don't have a Ferrari Tubi exhaust to sell.
It was an experiment, to see what would happen more than anything.

In conclusion, I would like to see better moderating and/or more moderators.


honestly, if you're so concerned re: inequality in the FS section, find another site.

I can see the nature of your beef and conclude that it is petty and moves away from why this site exists.

You must think you're so clever proving your point, but the reality is that most of us are looking on and realising how this site is becoming an absolute sh*thole because of people like you who just want to argue about the rules all the time.
If you dont like the way this forum runs, next time instead of having a cry, you should go and join another one, and never return.

Good day to you

[Min988]

honestly, if you're so concerned re: inequality in the FS section, find another site.

I can see the nature of your beef and conclude that it is petty and moves away from why this site exists.

You must think you're so clever proving your point, but the reality is that most of us are looking on and realising how this site is becoming an absolute sh*thole because of people like you who just want to argue about the rules all the time.
If you dont like the way this forum runs, next time instead of having a cry, you should go and join another one, and never return.

Good day to you

My thoughts seem to have jumped out of my head and posted themselves.

[power_of_dreams]

Firstly, I'm not having a cry. I brought this up to improve the forum, and make this a better place for us. Stop flaming and contribute constructively. This site is not becoming an absolute shithole because people like me are complaining, it's becoming an absolute shithole because of a combination of people bending and/or breaking poorly defined rules and average moderating.

The terms and conditions of posting in the FS section state:
" No selling of unrelated equipment. Ozhonda moderators/administrators deem the right to remove any items found to be unrelated at their discretion. "

Firstly, I want to ask the mods if they beleive selling a Toyota knob on this forum is related. If they answer yes, why would I hypothetically not be able to sell my tubi exhaust (ignoring the fact that I actually don't have one).

Q_ball, if I was genuinely selling a mazda knob would you have closed my thread?

This is not my only issue with this forum.
It always seems there is one rule for one person, and another rule for another person. Double standards are everywhere.

Moderators keep going on about no signature advertising, and having to earn a rep point before you can sell in an attempt to prevent individuals from coming onto the forum and exploiting it.

Meanwhile we have professional businesses who are not traders coming in, not paying a cent to use this forum, and making a ****ing killing out of it.

[Q_ball]

Like i have said before, that toyota knob thread simply slipped through the gaps.
If i had seen it earlier, i wouldve deleted it.

Anything that is NOT a honda part, or is NOT designed for a honda, will be deleted.

Please refer to the extract of the T/C which you have quoted yourself;


Ozhonda moderators/administrators deem the right to remove any items found to be unrelated at their discretion.

Note the bolded section of that statement, ANYTHING that is not from a honda, or for a honda, is subject to moderator discretion.
This includes your wheels, gear knobs... basically anything that COULD be interchangeable.
Wheels would probably be the only item where we would give it some extra thought, anything else will be simply removed.

Does that make sense?

[Mr_will]

Firstly, I'm not having a cry. I brought this up to improve the forum, and make this a better place for us. Stop flaming and contribute constructively. This site is not becoming an absolute shithole because people like me are complaining, it's becoming an absolute shithole because of a combination of people bending and/or breaking poorly defined rules and average moderating.

The terms and conditions of posting in the FS section state:
" No selling of unrelated equipment. Ozhonda moderators/administrators deem the right to remove any items found to be unrelated at their discretion. "

Firstly, I want to ask the mods if they beleive selling a Toyota knob on this forum is related. If they answer yes, why would I hypothetically not be able to sell my tubi exhaust (ignoring the fact that I actually don't have one).

Q_ball, if I was genuinely selling a mazda knob would you have closed my thread?

This is not my only issue with this forum.
It always seems there is one rule for one person, and another rule for another person. Double standards are everywhere.

Moderators keep going on about no signature advertising, and having to earn a rep point before you can sell in an attempt to prevent individuals from coming onto the forum and exploiting it.

Meanwhile we have professional businesses who are not traders coming in, not paying a cent to use this forum, and making a ****ing killing out of it.

you seem to be forgetting a few things:

1. The moderators are not paid. They give their time for free in an attempt to ensure that this site runs as smoothly as possible. Like you and I they are not perfect and make mistakes.

How about instead of complaining about what you perceive to the their failings, you harden up and worry about real issues - ie those that exist in the real world, and focus on the fact that for the most part, this is a great site that provides a lot of useful information.

2. Like it or not, the moderators have discretion. I disagree with some of the calls they make and evidently so do you. However the difference is that I just get on with my life. If I was that desperate to sell something I'd put an ad somewhere like carsales.com.au or tradingpost.com.au.

3. Selling is not the point of the forum. That we can sell here is bit a minor benefit, a very very very late second to the primary objective of gathering information and providing a network for honda enthusiasts.

4. There will always be people that try to bend the rules, to exploit and to gain unjust advantage. Its similar to someone making a mistake when driving. You could follow them and try to 'teach them a lesson', just like you're trying to do here, or you could get over it, and keep on driving.

Why dont you turn your efforts to making a positive contribution to the forum, instead of nit picking. You arent god, you arent a moderator, and nobody here is accountable to you.

[power_of_dreams]

1. They are not paid, but if they are not doing a good job, they shouldn't be doing it. Yes they make mistakes, that's fine. Again this thread is to highlight these issues.

Yes this is a useful site, but it's not the greatest. Discussing issues like these help to improve the forum. If we just brushed everything to the side, we would get nowhere. You may be satisfied with how this site is working at the moment, but I see room for improvement.

2. Again, this is not about me being desperate to sell anything. I have nothing of interest to the people of OzHonda that is for sale.

3. Selling is not the point of the forum, you are correct there, however it is part of the forum. It is here to benefit the members, and if it can be improved, why shouldn't it? Whether this is in the form of clearer guidelines etc etc.

4. When people bend or exploit the rules, they are not doing it by mistake. I accept everyone makes mistakes, but are you trying to say the guy selling the toyota knob made a mistake and thought it was a Honda knob?

I'm not sure if you understand, but this post and this whole thread is an effort to make a positive contribution to the forum. Call it nit picking, call it anal, call it whatever you want, but if you're not going to enforce clearly defined rules, why bother having rules at all?

I'm not god, I'm not a moderator, and I'm not asking anybody to be accountable for me. I just want to see how I can make this forum better.

[power_of_dreams]

Like i have said before, that toyota knob thread simply slipped through the gaps.
If i had seen it earlier, i wouldve deleted it.

Anything that is NOT a honda part, or is NOT designed for a honda, will be deleted.

Please refer to the extract of the T/C which you have quoted yourself;



Note the bolded section of that statement, ANYTHING that is not from a honda, or for a honda, is subject to moderator discretion.
This includes your wheels, gear knobs... basically anything that COULD be interchangeable.
Wheels would probably be the only item where we would give it some extra thought, anything else will be simply removed.

Does that make sense?

That is fine. Perhaps you can update the terms and conditions to clarify "ANYTHING that is not from a honda, or for a honda, is subject to moderator discretion."

Whilst on the topic of improving the forum, how do you feel about businesses, who are not traders, coming to the site and making money from forumites?

[johnprocter]

holy shit you have to be kidding? get a ****ing life. Everyone was thinking it, i said it, deal with it :)

[power_of_dreams]

holy shit you have to be kidding? get a ****ing life. Everyone was thinking it, i said it, deal with it :)

Yeah thanks for your input buddy.
For the fourth time, I have no hard feelings the thread was closed.
It was to prove a point.

When nobody brings anything to the attention of those in change, things just get worse and worse.

If I didn't bring it up, people go around seeing this guy sold a toyota knob on the forum and it becomes precedence. Before you know it somebody is actually selling a f430 tubi for real.

I'm getting shot down for trying to help the forum, typical OzHonda style.

[johnprocter]

mate go help starving kids, go feed the homeless, go entertain retired people, go give aid to third world countries if you really want to HELP

[power_of_dreams]

mate go help starving kids, go feed the homeless, go entertain retired people, go give aid to third world countries if you really want to HELP

Just trying to help improve the forum, not the world.

[johnprocter]

Yeah but its so trivial... no one really suffers if some bloke sells a non-honda part.. yeah its the rules but will it really make a diff to anyone on this forum? Think about the time and effort your putting into this discussion and far its really going and for what ? lol. OH NOEZ DONT SELLZ THAT SUBARUUUPART HEREZZZ LULZ!!! *slits wrists* *palm faces self*

[power_of_dreams]

You think it's trivial, but I didn't make the rules.
I'm trying to help clarify and enforce them, nothing more.
As said before by another member, if the guy wanted to sell a toyota part, he could have gone to toyota forum, eBay, firesport, trading post etc.

In my opinion, there is also a bigger problem at hand. I've brought it up, and i'll wait for the mods or admin to reply.

[90LAN]

Yeah but its so trivial... no one really suffers if some bloke sells a non-honda part.. yeah its the rules but will it really make a diff to anyone on this forum? Think about the time and effort your putting into this discussion and far its really going and for what ? lol. OH NOEZ DONT SELLZ THAT SUBARUUUPART HEREZZZ LULZ!!! *slits wrists* *palm faces self*

its started being trivia when traders didnt like what was been done in the for sale section
so rules need to be sticked to now
simple as that
whats good for one is good for the other

[Q_ball]

Whilst on the topic of improving the forum, how do you feel about businesses, who are not traders, coming to the site and making money from forumites?

We have our suspects, but we cant prove every case to be commercial or private.
Because its impossible for us to prove EVERY case accurately, we've simply set rules around blatant commercial quantities and enforcing the rule of direct ownership of items.

[power_of_dreams]

its started being trivia when traders didnt like what was been done in the for sale section
so rules need to be sticked to now
simple as that
whats good for one is good for the other

Exactly, this is what I mean by one rule for one, another rule for another.

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

Slipping through the cracks = shitty moderating?


I could've reported it and probably should've, but that's not my job.
He already had reached a potential buyer(s) before I stumbled across it anyway, and that is my major qualm.

My thread was closed within 15 minutes, yet his thread went on for 4 days?

No, slipping through the cracks doesn't mean shitty Moderating, on some forums it does, not on Ozhonda (IMO) but if the (other >9000 people whom saw the thread/post who you assume reported the post) report button fails to get the thread closed (usually) after the 24 hours there is something wrong in Ozhonda's For Sale section and Quentin and tRip needs to be called, URGENTLY too.

My question/suggestion for future referrence is [seeing as you've clearly noticed that a simpleton Toyota Gear Knob evaded those bastard Moderators, lol] Why not press that Little 'Report Post' button (which clearly next to no one did?) and type the Obvious message 'Selling Non Honda Item' or my fave 'Clearly a nubcake, please close nubcakes thread as they're too nub to read rules'.

Now if that isn't satisfying enough do what others may do (you know, after the second to third day of nubcakes thread being opened, STILL)

Click on the Appropriate Moderator (Q_ball or tRipitaka, or both if you see fit) and spend the next 10-30 seconds of your life (Ok, assuming you can type at 55wp/m), spend it wisely, Type up a Pm which is Blunt, copy and paste a link to that certain thread which may or may not contact a Toyota Gear Knob (which doesn't suit Honda thread pitch?) and be satisfied that when they come online (if they're already offline) they will get 2 messages (atleast) 1 being a Report and the other being YOUR PM.

Now my friend, now you must sit back, Return to the Spam Thread (located in the Lounge, Punchonz happen there Baby) and return to your Spammers Paradise.


What about getting more mods?


No


This site is not becoming an absolute shithole because people like me are complaining, it's becoming an absolute shithole because of a combination of people bending and/or breaking poorly defined rules and average moderating.

So....What you're trying to say is that the MODERATORS of this Site are turning it into a Shithole?

What next, you're going to say my next two favourite words?

"Nazi" and "Moderators"

There are worse places, Worse Moderators and WORSE MEMBERS!


Q_ball, if I was genuinely selling a mazda knob would you have closed my thread?

I lol'd a little inside, good Job.


I'm getting shot down for trying to help the forum, typical OzHonda style.

Dude, You're not being shot down.

Its the way the help is constructed, you did the wrong thing, your posts are constructed like a whinging baby at Coles negotiating with his mother for that kinder supprise (Pedo Bear will see you soon sweet child)

You've brought that Knob up like what, 2, 3 times?

I personally think (As Zico brought up) IF a Member can post up a NON HONDA part and show/provide a way it can be used effectively on a Honda then it can stay (and common sense will say Rip and Q are more likely to leave it there if it has a purpose/proven to be usable; such as a Silvia Fuel Pump)

What the Moderators do on a Daily basis is SIMPLY Customer Service, You know.

Like a ****ing call center.

Not the good kind of Inbound Call center either, the bitchy kind of Outbound with a Freezing cold list (not to forget your bitchy asshole Boss named Jack is breathing down your ****ing neck for leads, yes LEADS!!)

You in a way have a valid point, but your construction is shithouse.

Thank you.

[wynode]

I could've reported it and probably should've, but that's not my job.

It sure is mate. That's the whole purpose of the report post function.


I'm not really kicking up a stink, since I actually don't have a Ferrari Tubi exhaust to sell.
It was an experiment, to see what would happen more than anything.


Don't waste our time with antics like this thanks. The mods already have enough on their plates let alone having to deal with 'experiments' like this. The last thing I want is people abusing the report post function.


Perhaps this is a good idea from a buyer/seller's persepctive but not from a moderating/logistical one.
A lot of things can be made to fit another make/model given the right modifications and money is injected into the mod.
This is a honda forum, so its only natural that only honda parts/vehicles are allowed to be sold here.
This rule is a clear cut and simple rule to enforce and follow as it minimizes the number of 50/50 scenarios - if its not honda, its not on.


I must admit I was for a bit considering allowing non-honda parts however Q makes a valid point. Hence it's easier to just allow Honda parts only.


what u can do is post your non honda in the apperance section
because it is allowed
then u can can say i mite be selling this exhaust soon to get another
seems to the norm these days on ozHONDA
then just continue with the thread and post non honda parts up

I'm taking this as a tongue-in-cheek comment however if this does happen please report the post.


In my opinion, there is also a bigger problem at hand. I've brought it up, and i'll wait for the mods or admin to reply.

IMO I think it is a big problem for you and not the forum as a whole. As Q said, it was one thread that go past the mods. If however you had reported it something might have got done about it.

I don't believe there is anything further to discuss so please do not try and kick up a stink about nothing. If you can think of a valid reason why this thread should be opened, then PM me.