turboing b18c2???

[Webby_roller]

Updated with follow on build post (years after this post lol)



Hey guys, done some searching and was wondering if anybody here has done the following to drop compression for their B18c2 when boosting.

1: b16a/b18c type r head (larger combustion chamber)
2: Slightly larger head gasket or keep oem head gasket.

The way i am looking, i would like to run standard comp, but would like a little piece of mind as sometimes you can never truly trust a rushed and busy tuner, and from what i have read on these forums, a slightly lower comp will give some lenience when tuning....

I want to change from the b18c2 head to a b16a/b18cr head. This is supposed to drop comp aprox 0.2-0.25. So from 10:1 to 9.8:1-9.75:1

Would doing this allow for enough leniency for a tune? I would rather not run a thicker head gasket but will if i have to as i am not in the price range for a full forged rebuild atm.

Any ideas to if this would be a viable option?

[dsp26]

although your calculated comp difference is minute, lower comp reduces the lower end grunt.

what your asking is a bit vague, you have to detail the setup.
- are the propers proper, as in quality?
- will you build the internals?
- are you building for a top end HP monster or street driver with linear power, etc?


different horses for different courses.. i personally would rather keep the stock compression than lower it

[ZeForce]

I wouldnt sarcifice quench area for a lower compression ratio, IMHO the better qunech area on the B18c head would do more for resisting detonation than lowering your compression by 0.2 ever will.

[Limbo]

all depends on how much power & boost you want.
If you're keeping under 200kw, i'd stay normal comp.

lowering compression helps for issues that arise, i.e bad fuel, overheating etc.

If your tuner is bad and not tuning properly even a decomp engine will not last.

[Webby_roller]

Hey, I am all for keeping the stock compression, and i know that i will be sacrificing low end if i change heads. There seems to be a major argument on this forum about dropping comp to turbo...

I am going for nice quality parts and a street car with the power to boot....

Boost wise is going to be approx 6psi, i am aiming for a t3/t4 as i can get a used one for free off a mates old man who is building a cosworth rs500 and has a couple of them lying around.

The motor atm is going towards 200k and i would love to get a newer block, but cant afford the full rebuild and forged internals....

I have heard from several boosted members on OH that if you don't have the money to spend on rebuilds, dont boost it as it will happen and it will cost a bit.... So this is more of a research Q than anything else

ECU wise i have a quick q.... What would people here choose on? S200 or S300, i have a s200 i can get second hand cheap cheap... or save for a full all out s300?

I am just asking as i was doing some research and came across this issue in one of the American sites and was wondering if anyone on OH had gone through with it...

[IEVAQ8]

y would u use a rushed and busy tuner to start with........................

find someone who is busy with work, but takes there time and is good at what they do with experience..................and build it the way i want to...................

lower comp on boosted honda ftl....................

[Limbo]

s200 compared to s300 is mainly features if i rem rightly
have a look at hondatech.com.ua they do a omparison there


6PSI on a T3/4 should give you about 150-170kw. SHould be fine for a while.
Just rem that boosted cars wear faster, so futher down the track you can rebuild.

[Webby_roller]

Hey, Im not planning to try not use a rushed tuner... But there are some times when a tuner isnt in it 100% and can over look somethings....

I am looking for about 200-250 hp, so i should be in the right region for this...

i was just putting the tuner idea forward as i read about it happening to a couple of people in America, but i spose, they have relatively bad fuel compared to Aus so it shouldn't be that much of an issue.

i checked the HONDATA site and was just asking for first hand experience if anybody has run both of them... I have started to put money away for a rebuild and full forged internals and whatnot. But just for a beginning I was wishing to see what i could do with an unopened motor.

Thanks for your answers as of yet, It is making it easier to sort of steer where my time and money will be going...

[IEVAQ8]

my standard itr dc2 is making 239.8kw on 7.5psi with unopened motor.............its driven daily......................... ;)

[Webby_roller]

Hey, I saw that, i just finished reading about it in the new fast fours... Looks shmick... How many k's did you have on your motor when you went to turbo it?

[IEVAQ8]

Hey, I saw that, i just finished reading about it in the new fast fours... Looks shmick... How many k's did you have on your motor when you went to turbo it?

thanks mate..................i havnt had a chance to scan the mag and post it on here, i will do it tomorrow........

it had 150,000km's on it when i decided to boost it.......... its all in the tune and the way u drive it............look after it, it all counts

[Webby_roller]

thanks mate..................i havnt had a chance to scan the mag and post it on here, i will do it tomorrow........

it had 150,000km's on it when i decided to boost it.......... its all in the tune and the way u drive it............look after it, it all counts

Do you mind me asking what you mean by how its driven? Like atm my driving style is just normal with the usual given it a bit onto an emtpy high way or when needed to get out of a sticky situation....

And do how does your servicing schedule look like for the motor? oil every 5k? etc.

[IEVAQ8]

Do you mind me asking what you mean by how its driven? Like atm my driving style is just normal with the usual given it a bit onto an emtpy high way or when needed to get out of a sticky situation....

And do how does your servicing schedule look like for the motor? oil every 5k? etc.

look after it, warm it up, gradually increase revs as u start to drive........(eg. cruze and rev to say 3000rpm for first couple of km's then add some load and rev to 4000rpm, get the turbo spooling and that air into the motor gradually.......then even rev a liuttle harde with more load..............once ur comfortable with water tempos and oil temps, then go for a full throttle squirt...........cruze the last couple of km's home to get everything back to operating temps.........let engine idle/cool down before shutting it off..........

service is every 5000km's and it includes the basic oil and oil filter as well as spark plugs and a thorough check of everything else........coolant, brake and clutch fluid, gearbox oil.................

for me its my prie and joy and my daily..............so it must be spot on all day every day.....

[Jarkz]

my standard itr dc2 is making 239.8kw on 7.5psi with unopened motor.............its driven daily......................... ;)

Off topic sorta, but I just read about your weapon in FF, well done :thumbsup:

[IEVAQ8]

Off topic sorta, but I just read about your weapon in FF, well done :thumbsup:

lol............thanks mate.............i will be scanning the pages and posting on here tomorrow....

[G-Stick]

please do tom.. ive been busy and havent had the time to go and grab the issue. :(

also need a ride in ur car man :D

[IEVAQ8]

please do tom.. ive been busy and havent had the time to go and grab the issue. :(

also need a ride in ur car man :D

dont be a stranger and come over once in a while.........lol

i'll take u for a spin....................

[Webby_roller]

look after it, warm it up, gradually increase revs as u start to drive........(eg. cruze and rev to say 3000rpm for first couple of km's then add some load and rev to 4000rpm, get the turbo spooling and that air into the motor gradually.......then even rev a liuttle harde with more load..............once ur comfortable with water tempos and oil temps, then go for a full throttle squirt...........cruze the last couple of km's home to get everything back to operating temps.........let engine idle/cool down before shutting it off..........

service is every 5000km's and it includes the basic oil and oil filter as well as spark plugs and a thorough check of everything else........coolant, brake and clutch fluid, gearbox oil.................

for me its my prie and joy and my daily..............so it must be spot on all day every day.....

Cheers... I am doing that anyway as it is the same with me... My car is my pride and joy and if anything happens to it... Its devastating.... So it looks like its time to start some planning... Cheers for the help

[IEVAQ8]

^^^ anytime

[Webby_roller]

one quick questions... How big was the improvment from changing from the log manifold to your banana manifold? I would love a banana manifold as i belive it would be more efficient, But some budgeting may mean i can only get a blox log manifold....

So is the extra money worth the amount of power it frees up?

Cheers

[Limbo]

the longer length manifold allows for better top end power and generally smoother boost delivery.

The log will usually boost up slightly quicker

[Riced_Civic]

LoL at banana manifold, never heard it called that b4

[Webby_roller]

cheers for that...... ^^^ i swear that is what all the tuners have called it... or mabey im just crazy.. but it does look like a bunch of bananas in the bay :)

[ZeForce]

cheers for that...... ^^^ i swear that is what all the tuners have called it... or mabey im just crazy.. but it does look like a bunch of bananas in the bay :)

Generally they are called ramhorns, I might have mine up for sale in the near future....

[Limbo]

yeah usually Full Ram/Ramhorn, tubular have been what i have heard them called.
there are mini Ramhorns also, which is supose to be an in between with aspecs of both the full lenth & log manifolds

ZeForce why u selling urs??? dun tell me you've given up boosting now

[IEVAQ8]

one quick questions... How big was the improvment from changing from the log manifold to your banana manifold? I would love a banana manifold as i belive it would be more efficient, But some budgeting may mean i can only get a blox log manifold....

So is the extra money worth the amount of power it frees up?

Cheers

its hard to comment on the manifold differences, as i changed complete setup................
from log manifold with t28 and internal gate
to full race manifold with gt30 and external gate

the response between the 2 setups were the same, however the full race manifold and gt30 were able to push power through the top end a lot better.........

check comparison dyno graphs..........

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll147/ievaq8/avo-vs-full-race-power.jpg

[96VTi-R]

damn that is a LOT more top end power, did you get the full-race kit or just the manifold?

[IEVAQ8]

damn that is a LOT more top end power, did you get the full-race kit or just the manifold?

just full race manifold and pieced the rest together myself..............

[ZeForce]

yeah usually Full Ram/Ramhorn, tubular have been what i have heard them called.
there are mini Ramhorns also, which is supose to be an in between with aspecs of both the full lenth & log manifolds

ZeForce why u selling urs??? dun tell me you've given up boosting now

nah, Im looking into fabricating my own manifold which will be a similar design to that mini-ram you mentioned...

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/72/l_97cb1c1242de66cba3efa397bd40e79f.jpg



EDIT: also, here's a decent manifold comparison ---> http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=925312

[Limbo]

coolies, i'll see if i got a pic of a better miniram, is slighly longer to give better flow.
You normally want slightly lower merge to get a smooth merge of the 4 pipes

[ZeForce]

coolies, i'll see if i got a pic of a better miniram, is slighly longer to give better flow.
You normally want slightly lower merge to get a smooth merge of the 4 pipes

Thats true but then the turbo will be too low and the level of oil drainage line becomes an issue. Also, Im trying to make it a direct replacement for my ramhorn without modifying downpipe, oil lines, etc

[Webby_roller]

Great info.... Another Q....

People running boosted DC2's, are you using half radiators? Or just slimline fans on OEM radiator?

[DLO01]

Both. It really depends on your setup. Manifold, WG placement, turbo placement and size. Sometimes you can get away with putting your Fan on the other side so its Pushing air through the radiator. Leaves you more space on the other side. Some manifolds have the external WG pokeing toward the radiator, so you need a Half size rad. Really depends on many factors. I was running a half size rad with slim fan pushing, but the stock full size rad would have fitted too.

[IEVAQ8]

as deanno said..............

but im running stock oem radiator with slim line thermo in the standard position...........its a tight fit, but it fits and works.......

[VTi_b0i]

im running the normal oem fan... fits fine...

[lookingforboost]

lot the power loss through a log style manifold is because there is no continous flow and no real collector for the gases to be directed to, i will take a pic of my collector soon as i am doing a turbo upgrade and putting on an external gate, my mate makes manifolds so me and him are doing mine.

i fit the stock fan fine, but i want to put a slim line one just to tidy up the engine bay

[Webby_roller]

lookingforboost... That would be awsome...

Thanks for the answers all... I will continue my search and if i have any issues i will post up some q's...

Should be interesting driving some boost through the teg.....

[lookingforboost]

no worries my mate is making a custom manifold now for a evo 3 motor it is the same collector as mine i will put up pics so you can see caz its all clean you can see it very easy.
boosted integra would be sweet other than the manifold do you have the other items covered that you need?

[Webby_roller]

I have the turbo, t3/t4, i am searching for the manifold now...

I am beginning my search for injectors and i am searching for a hondata s200. If i can get the s200 i will have to get obd2a --> obd1 harness, and a p72 obd1 ecu...

Intercooler and piping will be found after i can get my ecu items organised.

I havnt looked into the exhuast really yet but i know that it will be hard to run a 3" downpipes as i like my a/c and p/s....

I have to ask the engineer if i will need to upgrade my brakes... I want to anyway but cant afford everything i want lol...

Begun to do some research into tuners... and yeh.. thats where im standing atm...

I just got stuck up in some little details about bits and pieces from my research so though i should ask some people with experience. Depending on a couple of things i may just get a manifold custom made from some family connections....

I am looking forward driving a turbo teg...I dont want to have break neck(and motor) hp atm, just something that is quicker then standard, and will allow me for a nice base to step up from once i start to make the bigger bucks...

[VTi_b0i]

3inch down pipe should be ok man, its the manifold that u need to worry bout

[Webby_roller]

who is running a/c and p/s with there setups??? how much did it increase the difficulty on selection of a manifold?? and how much more did it cost to keep both during your build?

[Lukezen27]

who is running a/c and p/s with there setups??? how much did it increase the difficulty on selection of a manifold?? and how much more did it cost to keep both during your build?

I've kept both using a log manifold

PS currently run but a/c is yet to go back in

Main cost was buying the David Crag 51mm thick fans for both radiator and condenser ($200 each)

http://www.scruffie.com/luke/car//turbo_install_stuck.jpg

I'm doing all my own work so I don't know the added cost during build

[Webby_roller]

Lukezen27, what brand is your manifold?

[Webby_roller]

also, how do you go around getting a 6psi wastgate spring for an internally gated turbo....And has anybody changed the spring DIY???

Cheers

[ZeForce]

also, how do you go around getting a 6psi wastgate spring for an internally gated turbo....And has anybody changed the spring DIY???

Cheers

just use a manual boost controller

[lookingforboost]

you can fit both with a 3" dump pipe i have a 3" dump pipe now i have my a/c removed atm but it can fit and function although with the new turbo it will be a mission to reconnet it and looks like i will need a smaller condensor or some new a/c lines to relocate it.

if you get a custom made manifold they can make the manifold to fit with your choice of turbo its just about trial and error and seeing where it fits best if you get the setup highmounted it easier to fit it all in though.

you will probally find that the turbo already has a 4-8psi spring in it atm so i wouldnt touch it and if you want to change the boost levels get a T peice or a EBC i am currently running a T peice with no problems at all.

Exhaust is pretty easy just keep it high flowing and large diameter piping if 3" is to big 2.5" will do fine with a high flow cat and muffler.

What brand is the turbo? and what flange type is it?

[Lukezen27]

Lukezen27, what brand is your manifold?

HKS Log Mainfold and I use an EBC

[Webby_roller]

The flange is a t3 flange, im pretty sure anyways.. I will have to check when i get home tonight... Are there any traders on here that sell the EBC manifold? Or did you purchase yours through others means?

[Lukezen27]

The flange is a t3 flange, im pretty sure anyways.. I will have to check when i get home tonight... Are there any traders on here that sell the EBC manifold? Or did you purchase yours through others means?

HKS is the manfoild brand

EBC stands for Electronic Boost controller, that's how I hold boost

[lookingforboost]

sorry i shouldnt have abbreviated what luke said above ^^^

the T peice is simply a bleed valve i have a turbosmart one its fine for you to use i am upgrading to a AEM EBC :)

There are nearly no manifolds for the motors really so a custom made one is your best bet unless you find one on american ebay they have heaps of cast ones... dont get a stainless one they are usually really badly made thin steel and crack very easily i have seen this on more than one occasion and have some pretty nasty photos of failed ones.

throgh a pic up of the turbo your going to use and i'll tell you what flange it is

also luke did you know on your APS turbo you know that the internal wastgate on it has been ported and wastegate flap replaced with a larger one for higher flow yeah?

[Lukezen27]

sorry i shouldnt have abbreviated what luke said above ^^^

the T peice is simply a bleed valve i have a turbosmart one its fine for you to use i am upgrading to a AEM EBC :)

There are nearly no manifolds for the motors really so a custom made one is your best bet unless you find one on american ebay they have heaps of cast ones... dont get a stainless one they are usually really badly made thin steel and crack very easily i have seen this on more than one occasion and have some pretty nasty photos of failed ones.

throgh a pic up of the turbo your going to use and i'll tell you what flange it is

also luke did you know on your APS turbo you know that the internal wastgate on it has been ported and wastegate flap replaced with a larger one for higher flow yeah?

Hey Ryan

Not sure but the internal wastgate flap is very big compared to my last turbo lol

Dose not matter once you run an EBC anyway

[Webby_roller]

Hey, yeh... sorry bout the little confusion, just busy and didnt check what i was reading...

I will chuck up a photo of what it looks like when i get my camera back.

[IEVAQ8]

my setup keeps a/c and p/s....................

[Limbo]

I got the manifold(luke's) from the US, they were hard to come by

[Webby_roller]

Ive had a bit of a search for the HKS log manifold... it does seem they are pretty hard to get... The only one i could find was for a d-series, and was second hand...

[lookingforboost]

Hey Ryan

Not sure but the internal wastgate flap is very big compared to my last turbo lol

Dose not matter once you run an EBC anyway

Yeah i was looking at the pic of it in the build thread and it wont affect the turbo at all they do it to increase the flow through the wastgate so that more gases can get out to help stabalize boost pressure levels.

Wasnt saying its bad its a extra AA+++ for the price ya got it for man:thumbsup: just thought i would tell ya incase you didnt know.

after hunting around for one you may as well spend the extra little bit of money get the custom made manifold and know that you wont have to look around for one and know that everything will bolt up straight away keeping your a/c and p/s

[Webby_roller]

lookingforboost.. your right... Im heading to a couple of places to try and find some tuners that will look at the set up im proposing and see how much they are looking for a custom manifold...

Who have the people running boosted dc2's in qld gone to see? Im thinking if i go to a workshop that has had some experience in making the manifold, then it wont be so expenisive as they will already have an idea what is needed...

[Webby_roller]

Just been wondering... Had a look and did some measuring to get the sort of dimensions im looking at...

What has everybody done with the dipstick when turboing up the car??? Does it just sit under the manifold and make it a bi**h to check? has it been moved? etc

Cheers

[Lukezen27]

Just been wondering... Had a look and did some measuring to get the sort of dimensions im looking at...

What has everybody done with the dipstick when turboing up the car??? Does it just sit under the manifold and make it a bi**h to check? has it been moved? etc

Cheers

I had to bend the dip stick tube a tiny bit but now its like checking OEM style...

[Webby_roller]

so it still sits through a gap in the manifold? or did you bend it forward so it sits in front of the manifold?

[Lukezen27]

so it still sits through a gap in the manifold? or did you bend it forward so it sits in front of the manifold?

Yup through the gap not the front

Here, you can clearly see mine
http://www.scruffie.com/luke/car/new_rocker_cover.jpg

[Webby_roller]

Cheers for that... Can anybody with ramhorns post a pic of how theirs sits?

[ZeForce]

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/99/l_eaeae32ef941940ce3e2212d1829df43.jpg
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/82/l_a5fe9f9aa9d9d7a12a6f5250e31846c2.jpg

Impossible to check while the engine is hot

[Limbo]

mine sits alittle lower. Will try and get a pick once its all sorted

[Riced_Civic]

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb278/riced_civic/IMG_0266.jpg

heres a peak boost ram horn

[Limbo]

nice that's a d17 right?

[Riced_Civic]

sure is, just chucked it up cos i had a ram horn

[Webby_roller]

Is it running? or are u in the process of building it?

[Riced_Civic]

its running atm then going back for a tune next week

[DLO01]

Another ramhorn.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a265/DLO01/Misc/ResizeofDSC03864.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a265/DLO01/Misc/ResizeofDSC03675.jpg

[Riced_Civic]

man i always loved your car turbo or NA

[Webby_roller]

awsome... Cheers for the help so far boys.... Its awsome being able to ask all the little questions that when comes time to put it together will end up saving me hours for all the little things that need adjusted/modified.

[lookingforboost]

lookingforboost.. your right... Im heading to a couple of places to try and find some tuners that will look at the set up im proposing and see how much they are looking for a custom manifold...

Who have the people running boosted dc2's in qld gone to see? Im thinking if i go to a workshop that has had some experience in making the manifold, then it wont be so expenisive as they will already have an idea what is needed...

:thumbsup: look at a steam pipe manifold made as they are the most durable and wont crack.

if your car was here my mate could make it for you :( but anyway if they are quoting you bit for it all i can get the collector and header plates so you just need the piping welded into place to where you want the turbo located but you will need to find out about the flange plate on the turbo first.

[ZeForce]

:thumbsup: look at a steam pipe manifold made as they are the most durable and wont crack.

Agreed, I will be making my manifold from butt weld fittings aka "steam pipe"

[Webby_roller]

I will post up the flanges tomrow arvo, i will get some quotes first to see what im looking at price wise... Lookingforboost, how is your upgrade going?

[lookingforboost]

Agreed, I will be making my manifold from butt weld fittings aka "steam pipe"
:thumbsup: going to get it ceramic coated?


I will post up the flanges tomrow arvo, i will get some quotes first to see what im looking at price wise... Lookingforboost, how is your upgrade going?

just waiting on the Turbo and Gate now i have all the other parts ready turbo should be ready to go next week with a bit of luck.
i am redoing my whole exhaust system as well i am just taking everything that little bit bigger because i would rather do it bigger the first time then have to go back and change it later i will put some pics up as we are doing the whole engine bay:cool:

[Webby_roller]

Have done some talking with some tuners and workshops...

Seems the build is being put off till end of the year.... Its time to start saving so i can do it properly....

lookingforboost.. hows urs coming along?

[Lukezen27]

Have done some talking with some tuners and workshops...

Seems the build is being put off till end of the year.... Its time to start saving so i can do it properly....

lookingforboost.. hows urs coming along?

Man my setup only cost like 3K for the turbo stuff

Most of my other cost was getting the B in and you already have that!

[Webby_roller]

yeh... i know... Uni is a bitch though lol... Plus i liked the idea i was presented with... So its going full built motor.....

It should be happening during my vacation work so i will have plenty of pennies then....

If i was going to do it now, i would be at 200hp mabey.. Ive driven my brothers 220hp TX3 and it was fun.. but he always complained that he wanted it faster, and his stock internals were limiting that... so im learning from his mistakes....

[Lukezen27]

yeh... i know... Uni is a bitch though lol... Plus i liked the idea i was presented with... So its going full built motor.....

It should be happening during my vacation work so i will have plenty of pennies then....

If i was going to do it now, i would be at 200hp mabey.. Ive driven my brothers 220hp TX3 and it was fun.. but he always complained that he wanted it faster, and his stock internals were limiting that... so im learning from his mistakes....
Yeah thats what I just got :)

200whp at 8psi

Fun so far hahah

You'd get more with a B18C I'm only running a B16A

[Webby_roller]

^^^ I just read your build thread... Looks good... Get some vids up....

I would expect more... but as you say in ur thread... You dont like thinking about it blowing up.....

Im planning for forged internals.... then the usual bits and pieces... Was thinking sleeves but they are a bit exxy.... (plus im not planning for like 600hp.....)

It is fun.. till you want to up the boost... then thats when it gets disappointing as you know you can only push it soo far as the internals will go...

[Lukezen27]

^^^ I just read your build thread... Looks good... Get some vids up....

I would expect more... but as you say in ur thread... You dont like thinking about it blowing up.....

Im planning for forged internals.... then the usual bits and pieces... Was thinking sleeves but they are a bit exxy.... (plus im not planning for like 600hp.....)

It is fun.. till you want to up the boost... then thats when it gets disappointing as you know you can only push it soo far as the internals will go...


Thanks Geat for only 8psi man :p

Most B16's get 160wk at 10psi

I think Traction will be the problem at this point heheh

[Webby_roller]

Thanks Geat for only 8psi man :p

Most B16's get 160wk at 10psi

I think Traction will be the problem at this point heheh

Only a little bit hahaha... But once it hooks up, it will fly....

[lookingforboost]

its good to hear that your going to do it right better once than an expensive mistake! mine will always be slow but basically there is no turbo on her anymore i have taken some pics i will try to get them up later and some of the new turbo size in the engine bay...... looks cool the comp cover nearly touches the bonnet :P so just to buy the new parts for the cooler setup and start on that and putting the gate into the manifold and re coating it

[Webby_roller]

^^ cheers for that... I would rather have it done poperly.. as its my daily, and i dont have another car. So if it breaks... yeh...

But oh well.. do it once, do it properly, and fill her full of boost... Actually a quick Q... Who has a low boost and a high boost? Or does everyone just get it tuned for one boost level and run that?

I know some ECU's have seperate maps for high/low boost, but im not too sure if hondata do...Can someone clarify?

Cheers

[Limbo]

you need a boost controller to run hi/lo settings.
Your tuner will be able to set them up for u

[CRXer]

s300 has secondary maps ability,the s100/200 dont.

if u do go down the hondata route,for the extent of the build ur planning,just go the extra yard now on the s300,u wont regret it,just make sure u dont use a jdm ecu for the base & u will have full boost control,so theres a coupla hundred bucks saved on electronic boost controller,all u need is like a $80 solenoid.

u'll more than likely spend less time on the dyno with the s300,so theres some more money saved.

onboard datalogging is great for troubleshooting little intermittent probs too,so even more money saved.the list goes on,more cash up front but it will gradually come back to u.

if u do a bit of research,some honda ecu's are boost capable as is,so just a matter of socketing the s300 in,but in the end its only about 4-5 relatively cheap components that have to be added to the ecu for boost control,so shouldnt cost too much extra to add.

[lookingforboost]

heaps of ppl here use the Eboost2 and have that tuned with the ecu for the high and low boost settings of your choice.

[Webby_roller]

excellent... thanks for the quick replys.... s300 it is then :)

[lookingforboost]

as a comparision Eboost2 is about the 799 mark new so your saving that and thats prolly what the ecu cost :)

[Lukezen27]

as a comparision Eboost2 is about the 799 mark new so your saving that and thats prolly what the ecu cost :)
s300 cost way more then that lol

There about $800 second hand if your lucky enough to find one

[Webby_roller]

If only the world was free lol.... oh well... i will talk to my tuner and see what he recommends...

Cheers all

[Lukezen27]

If only the world was free lol.... oh well... i will talk to my tuner and see what he recommends...

Cheers all

Just run S100B like me bro

$350+ ECU :thumbsup:

[eLs6uep]

run a neptune =]...im running it in my car it also has that boost option as well...and cheaper then a s300 i think and does the job well..also who u getting to tune ur caR?

[Webby_roller]

I will continue my searching into different ecus and which one is best....

As for tuner.... Im leaning towards APC...

Apart from that i am going to see what the usual honda tuners have to say about my setup when its on.....

[CRXer]

s300 cost way more then that lol

There about $800 second hand if your lucky enough to find one

crikey luke,who u been talkin too,i got mine for less than $800 brand new + installed as well.

admittedly it was 3 years ago & i supplied the ecu,but that would only add about $300 at most to todays prices.

[Lukezen27]

crikey luke,who u been talkin too,i got mine for less than $800 brand new + installed as well.

admittedly it was 3 years ago & i supplied the ecu,but that would only add about $300 at most to todays prices.


lol Jason

So way more = 1k :)

[Webby_roller]

Brining this back to life... Eventually got my act together and pieced parts together over the space of a year and a half... will finish my exams and post up pics and a bit of a write up of what I did...

[Lukezen27]

Brining this back to life... Eventually got my act together and pieced parts together over the space of a year and a half... will finish my exams and post up pics and a bit of a write up of what I did...

WOW

I sold my Turbo EG5 brought a EP3R sold that and got a JAZZ now looking for an EG to start again LMAO

[Webby_roller]

Yeah, I've been playing with bikes alot of this time... plus sports I play arnt cheap... then there's the whole student life thing... not a good way to make money... but it ended up getting done and I couldn't be happier....

[Webby_roller]

So the back story:

Had the integra for a couple years now. It was fun, but after a while I got used to it and bored of it. Had a read around and decided that boost was going to be the best cost effective way to pump some life into the old girl and get that smile back when I take it for a drive.

Slowly accumulated parts over a year or so, and after having knee surgery after a bad Ice hockey incident, I was able to move again and was more then ready to get her built up in all her glory.

This build was budget based. Saying that I spent the money on the items that counted...

Quick run down on parts collected:
Ebay t3/t4 turbo
Ebay Manifold
Precision 39mm wastegate with 6.9psi spring
K/n Air filter
Boost, water temp, oil pressure, Innovate MTX-l wideband
Quad-pod gauge cluster
Ebay oil filter sandwich plate
Ebay braided line
Speedflow fittings
Custom intercooler
Custom piping
Ebay catch can
IPG Engine block breathers
DBA slotted front rotors
Ebay Bolt up oil pan drain
Ebay fuel pressure gauge
Hondata s300
Dual SPAL high flow 12" fans
Ebay half size 3 core radiator
ebay exhaust heat wrap
HKS SSQ with recirc fitting
RC 550cc injectors
OBD1-OBD2 harness

I apologise for pic quality, most are taken with iphone as I was using them for referencing when incase anything went wrong.

Car was built as a DD and still has A/C and power steer

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Day one, reversed into the garage ready for test fitting. Daily ride is parked next to it... The joys of city living...

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The stash.

Test fitting:
Manifold
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Mainfold with dump pipe and turbine housing
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Manifold with wastegate:
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Manifold with turbo:
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Fuel pressure gauge: simple to install and no leaks
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So got to this point and my brother with his crx decided he wanted to sell. He had one of my old project engines with LSD, ITR cams, springs, retainers, work adjustable cam gears. Decided I wanted those parts for this build so it was decided to swap engines over. Thanks to alex and adam, engine change over was done in a day.

engine out of the teg:
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Engine in the crx (now for sale):
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Got the car home and set out getting it installed.

Manifold, wastegate, turbo, dump pipe installed
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Working out oil pressure feed line
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Bolt in oil return: Loctited in and sealed with orings, has not had any leaking issues
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Next up was some stopping help: From this
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To this:
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Valve cover was looking beat up so gave it the once over:
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Next up was gauges, used adapt a circuits and installed into empty rear electric window fuses for power:
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Intercooler test fit and bolted up:
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Off the get the exhaust for the gate done (pepsi bottle catch can was there just for this trip)
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Will have to get a final pick with new catch can installed but thats pretty much the build. Took me 3 weeks of working on it over weekends and some nights to do, which included test fitting multiple times and modifying quite a lot of small items which you never really think about till you do it.

Took it for a tune to RPM performance and dyno up at morayfield. My instructions were wastgate spring boost, daily driver on a bulletproof tune... Picked it up a couple days later:
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Was told this is his idea of a bullet proof tune. If I want more power I am more then welcome to go back and he will lean on the tune a bit for for 220+hp but being my first turbo car, and a student, I never want it to go bang so will wait till I can get some ARP's and go for some more stock engine boosted fun...

To finish, the old girl needed a name, and seeing I got into honda's from the HIGH OCTANE movie series and their turbocharged CRX, it was only fitting...
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And thats pretty much my budget build... Spent less then 5K on parts including ECU which was brand new, and it definitely puts a smile on my face. Has had one outing to willowbank and its shown some flaws in the car. Mainly it needs some real tires now, cheap korean tires and first time in the beast gave me a 1/4 mile of 14.1 @104mph, 60' 2.7ish seconds from memory... In comparison, my NA best quarter was a 15.1 @9xmph.

Just posting this to show that even the poorest of kids can still enjoy some modifying goodness :) and turboing on a budget is doable. I spent good money on ecu and wastegate as I believed these are the most important systems on the car when modified and have so far been nothing but joy from the selection of parts...

[Glocker]

Clap clap clap!!!

[cuppa]

Wow, nice set up man. Looking great !

[mooshie]

More pics of the Monkey!


Great work on the turbo, is that running 12psi?
Interested in your cooling setup, how does the radiator cope plus assuming you have the dual fans setup as a pusher and a puller on either side?

[Webby_roller]

More pics of the Monkey!


Great work on the turbo, is that running 12psi?
Interested in your cooling setup, how does the radiator cope plus assuming you have the dual fans setup as a pusher and a puller on either side?

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?95298-Post-up-some-pics-of-your-BIKES-!!!!!/page23 there is a few pics on that page.

Its running 7psi, thats the a/f showing on the dyno sheet. Cooling does really well, it has a low temp thermostat in it and I have never had any troubles with the cooling as of yet. I have one fan pulling air through the radiator and one fan pushing air through the A/C condenser.

[mooshie]

Lol, thought there was something wrong with the boost curve

[Vvvtec]

PnP at it again :) Was alot of fun working on this thing luke!

[rhys.l]

Looks good Luke, will have a ride in it one day