Do Bilstein make shocks for integras?

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As the topic says, Does Bilstein make shocks / coilover kits for integra dc2?
Does anyone have them on their car? hows the handling and drive comfort?

[McChook]

They do
Heasmans at Sydenam are the place to get them and have them installed.

Bilstein always make a great shock, but they aren't adjustable (damper). If you can get koni yellows for te same price, they are a better option.

General rule we use is

Double wishbone cars - Konis
Strut based cars - Bilsteins

That said, we are running bilsteins in the R32 race car now.... very nice

[Boost]

Thanks matt,
Yeh i was going to go to Heasman.. But i want damper adjs. hmmmm.

[monstaR]

If you are in melb....my fren is running bilsteins on his jdm dc2r.... great handling but zero on comfort..... :D

[joneblaze]

Yes and yes, as Mattchook has said. His preference is of course the damper + height adjustable Koni Sports/Yellows. That is also my preference.
However according to the God of OH/Hondas, Rob and Pete at Hanny's recommended the Bilsteins for more durability and build quality. Apparently matched with a nice set of springs they will perform equally as well. I was tempted to go the set Bilsteins, but the adjustability feature appealed to the ricer in me... ;)

PM me if you're after Bilstein or Koni equipment.

[Mugen boy]

Just Go Tien Coilovers The Rock

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Jon,
Ive PM you many times, but you never reply mate...
Check your PM box.. i pm you.

[McChook]

I'll be brief, but....

The Bilsteins are good, no doubt - we use them, but even when my old man was working for Whiteline, they still found the Konis better on the hondas - for some reason, the added bonus of tunablilty made up for the tiny bit it loses outright to the billies - you don't have to be spot on with the damper rates, but get them right (generally within 1.2 a turn) then you are laughing. There is not a lot in it, you all know I use the Konis in the Prelude, and have driven a DC5R and DC2R with the bilsteins - the billies are GREAT in the DC5R, absolutely awesome, but the konis are just a smidgeon better than the billies in the DC2R - the difference - Double wishbone Vs Strut based.

Matching the billies to springs is a little harder - springs are more preferential than anything else, so matching them for each driver is a little tough. I prefer to get the right spring, and be able to tune with the shock - in other race cars, we use Ohlin race shocks (and swear by them by the way - if you ever see a set of Ohlin Race shocks for a Honda, BUY THEM, they are custom only at AU$10,000 a set), but Whiteline have a new "Group4" shock which is height, rebound AND bound adjustable, like a Olin - not quite as perfect as the ohlin, but close - this is what we will be using in the skyline when they are made (made in Austria BTW). If the whiteline group 4s are available for the Hondas, then they are worth the $2200 they ask for them.

Robbie is undoubtably the god of Hondas in Australia (if not the wor....), but he drives a CRV :p ... I never got dad to ask him what he thought of my car when he put the LSD in.....

Teins are shit -sorry, I wouldn't even use them on a track car, they are possibly the worst coilover kit sold for hondas - Dumb japanese coilovers that try to make up for the lack of Stabiliser bar tuning (amognst other suspension tuning methods) by stiffening the shocks and springs up to compensate - General rule - Japanese suspension is not worth using. Stick to Aussie or Euro suspension components

By the way - If you find the Bilsteins uncomfortable, then your springs are too hard.

/end rant

[euGeR]

Go the koni's :D

Don't go with off the shelf if you can afford it, get custom valving.

1. Select a spring rate based on other peoples rides/ research. The harshness of a ride is not in the spring but in the attenutation of the damper. A damper that is valved to much for a soft spring will give a harsh and "out of sync" ride (depends whether you can appreciate sussy or not). - I'm currently using a 14kF 12KR and it is not harsh :D - I changed from a 10kF 6K R which was harsher than my current set. This is due to the different rate of attenutation at different piston speeds - it's better in my new set.

2. As McChook mentions, not all JDM stuff is good. check honda-tech for the shock dyno's - you'd be suprised. Koni is always a top damper that you cannot go wrong with. Eibach/koni is a proven combo - If i did not get my current set of coil overs, I'd go for a koni 3011 :thumbup:

But do have a goal in mind. Whether it be for track or just to slam it.... and you get what you pay for.

[will_pop]

i m using bilstein and king spring... the ride is harsh... ...
i always wonder if its my springs or my shocks....

any1 kno if eibach is softer than kings??

thx ...

btw... my car is 98 accord...

[McChook]

Go the koni's :D

Don't go with off the shelf if you can afford it, get custom valving.

1. Select a spring rate based on other peoples rides/ research. The harshness of a ride is not in the spring but in the attenutation of the damper. A damper that is valved to much for a soft spring will give a harsh and "out of sync" ride (depends whether you can appreciate sussy or not). - I'm currently using a 14kF 12KR and it is not harsh :D - I changed from a 10kF 6K R which was harsher than my current set. This is due to the different rate of attenutation at different piston speeds - it's better in my new set.

2. As McChook mentions, not all JDM stuff is good. check honda-tech for the shock dyno's - you'd be suprised. Koni is always a top damper that you cannot go wrong with. Eibach/koni is a proven combo - If i did not get my current set of coil overs, I'd go for a koni 3011 :thumbup:

But do have a goal in mind. Whether it be for track or just to slam it.... and you get what you pay for.

Finally someone else who gets suspension technical - and let me tell you, maybe 5 people will understand valve rates and pistons speed in here.... you just launched a rocket over just about everyone's heads

I agree with everything except "you get what you pay for". I'd normally agree, but I wouldn't pay $500 for a set of Teins, let alone $2000 - my opinion.

The Koni yellows work really well with Jamex 40mm springs or Whitelines, the Billies seem to work better with Eibachs.


As for the King Vs Eibach
As an average, the Kings are a lot stiffer - if we compare apples to apples, say 40mm lowering springs for both companies...
Both springs are progressively rated - that means the stiffness increases as the spring compresses under load. I personally don't like the King spring rates - they are too stiff from the first coil. The Eibachs (in gneral) are a little bit more forgiving- bit softer up top. The Whiteline and Jamex springs are generally exactly the same - but the kings stand out for poor coices of ratings - in my opinion

things to remember - Stiff is good, but you can be too stiff.
Suspension is more than Springs and shocks - consider that I use Koni Yellows with standard Honda prelude springs.... and I doubt any "coilovered" Non-type R handles nearly as well as my car - it takes a lot of time and knowledge to get it right. If you want performance, spend the money - you get what you pay for most of the time, but spend it wisely

[will_pop]

i m now kinda regret that i had my shocks and springs purchased&installed so soon..

yeh ... i agree that kings' spring rate is kinda funny, coz they r sometimes too soft and sometimes too harsh... maybe they were not well engineered... they just make their springs to a universall rate...

i wonder if i get bilstein to lower the spring seat position (cut a few more rings on the shock body) and use my stock spring ... will the ride be funny ...


btw ... McChook is a very nice guy and helpful
i used to bother him to find me some seat and ended up not buying them :(
hope hes not mad at me keke :rolleyes:

[McChook]

Usisng the stock springs with the lowered height setting for the spring seats on the Bilsteins *SHOULD* be OK. The only thing that would be a problem is if you cut the spring....

9 times out of 10, the stock honda spring is almost perfect for the streets of Sydney, just needs nicer/fresher/adjustable/good shock absorbers.

The ride should also be fine - I use stock springs on my konis with the height lowered one perch... and I am pretty happy - for now

Cheers man, but I did my job - I *Found* the seats for you - there was no obligation to buy them....

[will_pop]

ah ..sounds like i've hijacked the thread...
but yeh, never gonna chop the spring... and bad thing is my shocks arent' adjuestables... damm... might just need to try the eibach, coz take the shocks out and get new perch, and put them back will just cost as much as new eibach springs.><. ($140 to take out, $40 to get new perch, $140 back in ... $320 lolz)

problems arise again, the back is riding okay but the front is too firm... will only chaning the front springs to eibach work (as if they sell the front sparatelly..)

ah... and yeh McChook found the seats in like 1 hr time... super fast, damm that i m shot in money or otherwise i will take them... i want leather seats and leather steering wheel ><.... T_T

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Eibach springs for dc2 is virtually impossible to get hold of until next year.....

[joneblaze]

I have a set of ProKits... almost one week old. They can be had for the right price :)
The lady is already starting to complain about the new setup...*sigh*

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Freak you Jon!!!!!!!!!!!
Why did you open ya mouth earlier!!!! i would have bought them off you.. would have saved me the time and shiet i went through to order them from QLD!