New Tyres

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Hey Guys,

i am looking at putting new tyres on my car the size 205/40r17. I bought BF Goodrich Geforce sport 2 yrs ago and ive done 40k. Not happy with the tyres shit in the wet where not very good in dry. Looking for something better with a similar not if better tread wear and better grip in dry & wet.

Been quoted on the following
Toyo Proxe 4's $165 per corner
Continental Sport Contact 2 - $200 per corner
Yokohama A Drive R1 - $230 per corner
Yokohama S Drive - $240 per corner


What is a value for money tyre thats better then the BFG Geforce Sports?

Opinions

[JohnL]

My experience with the g-Force Sport is that they are a very good tyre. There may well be better tyres, but my Goodrich's were definitely not "shit in the wet" nor "not very good in dry".

What's the best tyre you've used previously? Are you overestimating what even very good road tyres can do? Perhaps your set up is the problem, not the tyres...???

If none of these things are an issue, then to achieve the grip levels you seem to want you might need 'R spec' type road / racing tyres. But, these won't give very good tyre life...

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The tyres that I had on the car where better in all aspect they where Fulda. But I am not prepared to spend $250-$300 just becuase they are a German Tyre.

I've also been priced up on
Nexan - $100 per corner
laxani - $120 per corner
Kumho Ku36 - $200-$220 per corner
Pirelli Scorpian - $170 per corner
BFG G-Force Sports $239 per corner
Michelin - $315 per corner
Dunlop Max Sports - $390 per corner
Toyo Proxe TR1's - $225 per corner

As you can see the price for the BFG's isnt that great for the quality of the tyre. There has to be a better tyre by far for that price.

[RR-04-RR]

Cant go wrong with the Bridgestone Adrenaline RE001, i got quoted 220 at the Bridgestone tyre places (i use the same size as you)

Stupid Screw in the sidewall so i have to get a brand new one (tyre is only about 4 weeks old too!) lol

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I've been told overprices but im gonna call a few today to see prices.

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got priced on some kumho ku31 $165 per corner

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what area you in?

[GIPONU]

i think becos u got the 40 sized tire for a 17, that might be the reason why u dont get as much traction. try gettin 45?
im not 100% sure, but thts just my thought.

on the other hand, bridgestone re001 is the way to go. i just ordered some for my car runnin 205/45/r16 at $230 a corner

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i think becos u got the 40 sized tire for a 17, that might be the reason why u dont get as much traction. try gettin 45?
im not 100% sure, but thts just my thought.

on the other hand, bridgestone re001 is the way to go. i just ordered some for my car runnin 205/45/r16 at $230 a corner

then i have to get my spedo re calibrated. not worth the hassel

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what area you in?

liverpool

[JohnL]

BFG G-Force Sports $239 per corner

As you can see the price for the BFG's isnt that great for the quality of the tyre. There has to be a better tyre by far for that price.

At the risk of comparing apples to oranges, I bought g-Force Sports for $162 each (Jax at Port Macquarie) , but this was in a different size (195/60/15).

I find these tyres to be particularly sensitive to pressure. I did have them at 38psi (which was significantly better than 36psi), but the other day pumped them up to 40psi, which made a surprisingly huge difference to steering / handling response (without adversely affecting grip).

[Crapdaz]

re001 not so good in the wet but dry is excellent.

[TeamTPH]

Go for the toyo T1R's. best all round tyre for that price.

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i think i might go the proxes 4's looked at a review and the toyo proxes 4 were rated higher.

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How the below tyres compared to BFG G-force sports

Falken ze512 125 each
Kumho KU31 120.00 each

[chiwai]

on the other hand, bridgestone re001 is the way to go. i just ordered some for my car runnin 205/45/r16 at $230 a corner

have u purchased these tyres yet? taleb tyres are selling yokohama ad07 in the same size.. (u should shoot them a PM!) i just changed from re001 to ad07 and am very happy with the swap:)

sorry if it seems like im plugging taleb tyres.. intention is to plug ad07 (really!!) as these tyres are hard to come by in australia..!!

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have u purchased these tyres yet? taleb tyres are selling yokohama ad07 in the same size.. (u should shoot them a PM!) i just changed from re001 to ad07 and am very happy with the swap:)

sorry if it seems like im plugging taleb tyres.. intention is to plug ad07 (really!!) as these tyres are hard to come by in australia..!!

I'm going to go and try the Toyo Proxes 4 i can get them for $165 per corner possible less as they will going onto 2 cars.

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Confusion....

I have been hearing a lot about the parallel importers how can I tell if the tyre has been parallel imported or from e.g. Toyo Australia?

Looking at getting Toyo Proxes 4 been told that the price's i have been getting quoted are too cheap.

[chiwai]

Confusion....

I have been hearing a lot about the parallel importers how can I tell if the tyre has been parallel imported or from e.g. Toyo Australia?

Looking at getting Toyo Proxes 4 been told that the price's i have been getting quoted are too cheap.

mm.. what's wrong with too cheap..?

[JohnL]

mm.. what's wrong with too cheap..?

It might suggest that the tyre may not have been imported through the usual manufacturer / importer / dealer chain, and may have come from an unknown stock source in an unkown country (many tyres get shipped this way and that around the world in wierd ways, and in some ways are commodity almost comparable to a form of currency...).

If so then this might mean that the tyre could possibly be a tyre originally manufactured for sale in a market where they drive on the right hand side of the road rather than the left hand side as we do in Oz.

"So what" I hear you ask, well my understanding is that when tyres are made the steel belts are laid up in a particular manner depending on whether the intended market for that particular tyre drives on the left or the right hand side of the road.

This is because the the manner in which the steel belts are laid up in the tyre casing creates what is called 'bias steer' in the tyre, which is related to the steel belts having a diagonal 'grain' in each belt (to do with the way in which the steel threads are woven into a steel 'fabric').

In manufacture there are two steel belts laid up in the mould so that the 'grains' in each belt are crossed over on the opposite diagonal axis. This assists in equalising the way each belt's 'grain' affects the directionality of the tyre, minimising a tendency for the tyre to 'pull' (steer / veer) in one direction because of the diagonal 'grain' of the steel belts (if both belt 'grains' were on the same diagonal or there were only one belt then the tyre would 'pull' more strongly in one direction).

In effect each steel belt cancels out the other's tendency to cause the tyre to steer in one direction, but, the belt closest to the road (or furthest from the road, can't recall) has slightly more affect on bias steer than the other belt does. This means that the tyre will still have a slight tendency to pull in one direction, and this particular problem cannot be changed by swapping the tyre from one side of the car to the other, nor by flipping the tyre on the rim. No matter how the tyre is mounted to the wheel or the wheel to the car the tyre will always tend to pull in the same direction (unlike 'conicity', another tyre problem that causes steering pull, but that does change pull direction when we turn the tyre around).

All is not lost. The tyre manufacturers often use this as a means to counteract the tendendcy for a car to veer toward the side of the road because of road crown (the degree to which the road slants off toward the side to allow water run off). So, they sell tyres into left side driving markets that have a slight tendency to pull to the right, and vice versa for a right side driving market.

So the upshot is that if you have a tyre that was made for and intended to be sold in (e.g.) the North American Market but are using it in Australia, then the road crown will be tending to cause a predominant pull to the left (much of the time), and the tyres will also be generating some degree of left pull.

These two left pull problems will add together possibly causing a significantly irritating tendedncy to pull left much of the time (which will also advgersely affect tyre wear and steering feel). However, if you have a tyre manufactured for a market that drives on the left side of the road (i.e. the 'correct' tyre for our market), then there will be a left pull (road crown) and a right pull (bias steer) in some degree cancelling each other out (much of the time).