Aftermarket engine & torque mounts.

[Bludger]

Wanting people that have owned different brands or even ppl that have owned them in general to comment and compare.

Even sikaflex (spelling?) opinions please.

any problems that people have experienced etc.

[chargeR]

Any chassis?

I have a DC5 with Innovative 85a. They fit perfectly with no issues except one, there is no provision for the OEM earth strap on the drivers side mount. Car shakes a bit, my CD skips fairly constantly and I think my OEM stereo is about to die from the vibrations. I drive the car daily though and it doesn't bother me much.

[fat_85_civic]

i sikaflexed mine and its fine, tiny bit more vibrations but nothing to worry about at all. and most importanly, it totaly stopped my wheel hop issues.
Try it, get some spares from the wreckers and do them and throw em in, if you dont like it, put the stock ones back in.

[ZeForce]

If I ever have to pull my engine out again I will probably use all OEM mounts filled with sikaflex

[Alexx]

Im using Innovative 60a in my EG, and have removed the oem torque mounts, so im just using the 3 main mounts. Noticable vibrations at idle, but nothing you cant deal with. Drives like stock on the move. Shifting feel is greatly improved.

Car is daily driven, with solid rear trailing arm bushes, energy suspension master kit, 10/6 springs, and the 60a mounts - no problems at all.

Only note is that during install, the oem stud coming out of the gearbox closest to the firewall is too short for the replacement mount due to the slightly different design to the oem mount. The stud needs to be removed, and a longer bolt needs to be used - which is included in the kit.

[TEE.KAY]

Get hasport mounts. They feel awesome. Plenty of vibration but your not changing your engine mounts for comfort.

[geeang]

Got some Innovative 60A engine mounts, and waiting for my Avid Racing Torque mounts to arrive, will get them installed and let you know how it goes :D

Been reading up on the Avid torque mounts and most people say they are not for the faint-hearted, Innovatives should be fine for daily use though.

[DNYALL]

I got hasport mounts in my EM1. feel great, a bit more vibration on start up and when idling but feel fine while driving. Do it!! :thumbsup:

[Bludger]

i sikaflexed mine and its fine, tiny bit more vibrations but nothing to worry about at all. and most importanly, it totaly stopped my wheel hop issues.
Try it, get some spares from the wreckers and do them and throw em in, if you dont like it, put the stock ones back in.Which sikaflex did you use???

would also like dsp26 to answer this please.

[vinnY]

should be Sikaflex® 252 (http://www.sika.com.au/cmi/auto_products_adh.htm) afaik

[IEVAQ8]

i just got some energy suspension inserts for my dc2r..............

kit includes, both front torque mounts and rear engine mount.......

first impressions with torque mounts installed only...............love them, hardly any vibrations at all..............but alot smoother on power delivery................

[bennjamin]

cheap ass here.
Got sikaflex 252 installed on OEM used mounts (standard dc2 ITR mounts) for the last 2.5 years. All torque mounts (rear and lower front two) and they are held in strong.
Been thru probably a dozen drag nights , half a dozen race days and copious amounts of stupid driving.

Cons : vibrates the dash alittle too much , steering wheel too. Once the engine is anything above idle speed the vibration settles.

I advice IF you know how to properly apply (ie clean mounts make sure no major cracks etc) then go for it. Otherwise just buy HASPORT mounts or similar.

[Benson]

IMO, all aftermarket mounts do the same thing.

Hasport, innovative and AVID same shit just different pricing. If your smart, chose the one which is the cheapest.

People chose hasport because its branded .

[Lukezen27]

I need something like this

I'm getting crazy bunny hoping at take-off :o

[Alexx]

IMO, all aftermarket mounts do the same thing.

Hasport, innovative and AVID same shit just different pricing. If your smart, chose the one which is the cheapest.

People chose hasport because its branded .

exactly :thumbsup:

Hence why I went with innovative. Got them for $2XXaud landed. Cant see how it would have been any more beneficial going with hasport for close to twice the price in aus.

[Lukezen27]

exactly :thumbsup:

Hence why I went with innovative. Got them for $2XXaud landed. Cant see how it would have been any more beneficial going with hasport for close to twice the price in aus.

Got a link man?

I need new ones

[bennjamin]

Got a link man?

I need new ones

Does he refer to MOUNTS or the INSERTS ?

[Alexx]

Got a link man?

I need new ones

I got them from the ebay seller in the US 'upgradeautomotive'

Got them when the $ was close to 1:1 though, so they would be more expensive now.

And benny, they were full replacement mounts (steel, no point going billet imo), 3 bolt post mount for my motor.

[Lukezen27]

I got them from the ebay seller in the US 'upgradeautomotive'

Got them when the $ was close to 1:1 though, so they would be more expensive now.

And benny, they were full replacement mounts (steel, no point going billet imo), 3 bolt post mount for my motor.

what motor?

N/A or boost?

[DLO01]

DC2R. I got Hasport 62A engine mounts. With them and no torque mounts it felt very stock for me. Only at idle did I notice a little more vibration.

Then I bought some Avid torque mounts and added them on with the Hasport mounts. Definate vibration at idle and you can feel it more when you crank it initially. Driving around, you would not notice anything differnt.

[damo46]

DC2R. I got Hasport 62A engine mounts. With them and no torque mounts it felt very stock for me. Only at idle did I notice a little more vibration.

Then I bought some Avid torque mounts and added them on with the Hasport mounts. Definate vibration at idle and you can feel it more when you crank it initially. Driving around, you would not notice anything differnt.


It stopped alot of wheel hop and tramping though ay, compared to stock?

[dsp26]

If I ever have to pull my engine out again I will probably use all OEM mounts filled with sikaflex

ditto:thumbsup::thumbsup:

sikaflex 255 are soooo hard. if the mounts were prepped properly they will never come off. for those who want less vibration use sikaflex 227. i was quoted them being equivalent to around ~60a

i've tried and even a knife wasn't much help. had to refill a set coz i filled the whole thing at once and the centre wouldn't cure... ended up drilling the sika instead and refilling the cylinder gaps once centre was dried:thumbsup:



BUT... the ultimate way to self fill mounts is to use FLEXANE. theres a primer that comes with it that grafts/melts into the oem rubber. once on you will NEVER get this off.

on hi power sr20det setups, we broke other shit before the mounts budged. when i wrote off my nx, the mount housing snapped open with the mount inside intact.

[dsp26]

also they worked well in my rear trailing arms until they popped out like inserts... i couldn't clean the oem rubber properly before filling underneath the car... would've worked had i had them out.

ended up replacing them with a solid rubber (not poly) set for ~AU$30 the pair. if anyones interested lemme know.. it's a company in Melbourne

[dsp26]

also the other trick was.. since the engine rocks towards the firewall on acceleration...

all lower parts of the mount can be filled with sika 221/227 and upper parts with sika 252/255 as a compromise on solidity and cabin vibration.

personally i've never tried the 227/255... their all i see now in bunnings, apparently they replaced the 221/252... shouldn't be much difference.

but i've driven a car with those avid solid metal ones... **** that shit... i can almost guarantee you'd break a gearbox with that.


***EDIT***
or the other way around since the whiplash towards firewall is on throttle back-off

[Benson]

what motor?

N/A or boost?

Doesnt make a difference

Ill spend a little extra for billet... jsut for the bling

And Alex, i suggest you run those OEM torque mounts

[Alexx]

I would, but mine look like this atm.

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n139/41exz/Image019.jpg

Unsure if I'm going to use oem or go straight to avid. Looking at avid.

[Benson]

ill sikaflex the torque mounts... dont go avid

Thats we are using on our race car, filled in OEM mounts with innovative billet 85a mounts

[Alexx]

Cheers for that, good to know :thumbsup:

[Boost]

We use sikaflex at work as a sealant for its fire ratings but never knew you use it on mounts... hmmmm

[dsp26]

We use sikaflex at work as a sealant for its fire ratings but never knew you use it on mounts... hmmmm

fire ratings?

please explain! i was convinced i was a moron after my gf's mechanic told me so for plugging exhaust leaks on her old celica with sikaflex?

[Limbo]

lol i used exhaust gasket glue on the hole in my sis's exhaust.

I wonder how well exhaust glue would work in mounts....

[fullmetal]

has anyone got spoon mounts?

[bennjamin]

has anyone got spoon mounts?

spoon/ mugen mounts are essentially OEM mounts with perhaps slightly stiffer rubberized. And more expensive due to the SPOON moniker.
No other difference.

[CRXer]

fire ratings?

please explain! i was convinced i was a moron after my gf's mechanic told me so for plugging exhaust leaks on her old celica with sikaflex?



sorry ron,moron tag remains,lol

the fire rating is for sealing gaps in walls/partitions/whatever that need a "fire rating"
the rating is typically a few hours at X amount of temperature,usually enough to just safely evacuate whatever type of building it is.

[dsp26]

spoon/ mugen mounts are essentially OEM mounts with perhaps slightly stiffer rubberized. And more expensive due to the SPOON moniker.
No other difference.

very true... not solid at all, just a bit harder... which SEEMS pointless to me since it will have a higher chance of tearing from stiffness instead of flexing like oem mounts... if they were solid rubber then fair enough:



The mass production, liquid sealed engine mount has been changed to a real rubber type, which offers higher hardness without a need for shape modification. The hardness of the mount has been changed from 55 to 70 the spring constant, from 6 to 14 kg/mm. As a result of these changes, it has been possible to realize a sharp steering characteristic; furthermore, it has also been possible to almost eliminate unpleasant vibration in the idling speed range, where this is often a reason for


sorry ron,moron tag remains,lol

the fire rating is for sealing gaps in walls/partitions/whatever that need a "fire rating"
the rating is typically a few hours at X amount of temperature,usually enough to just safely evacuate whatever type of building it is.

lol damn... i did freak out for 'endangering my gf to risk of fire' but at least it's confirmed with backing and not simply "you're a moron" lol

[fullmetal]

cool thanks for the info ben and dsp26 :)

i've got some aftermarket ones atm and was thinking of getting a set that doesn't vibrate the interior. sounds like they might be ok for what i'm after!

[Lukezen27]

So well the OEM with inserts hold fine with boost?

[Limbo]

So well the OEM with inserts hold fine with boost?

luke let gasket glue yours!

[damo46]

Would hasports be enouph in a eg with a ITR swap, or would you sikaflex the oem torque mounts to if your serious about street and strip?

Also does anyone know whats the best way to fill the oem mounts with the sikaflex if they are broken like "Alex's", mounts in the photo?

[bennjamin]

Would hasports be enouph in a eg with a ITR swap, or would you sikaflex the oem torque mounts to if your serious about street and strip?

Also does anyone know whats the best way to fill the oem mounts with the sikaflex if they are broken like "Alex's", mounts in the photo?

hasports are more than enough for a eg with a itr swap.
I personally have and many others have "sikaflexed" the oem mounts (not cracked) and with good results.

You cant really fix the mounts shown by alex They are rooted.
I strongly suggest you fine OEM DC2R front torque mounts - they are encapsulated by a metal casing (note alex's are not - just HALF a metal casing) and use them. DC2R ones are stronger and better for filling too

Note - to use DC2R FRONT torque mounts on a EG , you will have to drill or shave off the OEM mount plates , ,located on the underside of the chassis rail where the oem torque mounts sit

[Zilli]

i got the hasport 62a... and the etra vibration i got was ridiculous... i know Dean DL001 has said that he didn't feel much vibration with these same things, to me it seems i was given the wrong ones going by what he has said...

My steering wheel and dash vibrated quite heavily, and have only settled slightly after 6-12 months and maybe 5000 kms of street driving...

The feel it adds to the "connectedness" of the car is fantastic, but i still think it was overkill for a street car...

im going to spend a day in the next months ripping everything out from the dash and using low grade loctite to get rid of most of the rattles

[dsp26]

^^^bloody hell mate.. have fun!

you should DIY document the removal process and which bolts you tightened to successfully eliminate dash rattle.

[Limbo]

last car i did this to i ended up selling the car cos the rattles were driving me crazy LOL


i got the hasport 62a... and the etra vibration i got was ridiculous... i know Dean DL001 has said that he didn't feel much vibration with these same things, to me it seems i was given the wrong ones going by what he has said...

My steering wheel and dash vibrated quite heavily, and have only settled slightly after 6-12 months and maybe 5000 kms of street driving...

The feel it adds to the "connectedness" of the car is fantastic, but i still think it was overkill for a street car...

im going to spend a day in the next months ripping everything out from the dash and using low grade loctite to get rid of most of the rattles

[Zilli]

ive lived with the car since new :-) im a bit attached!

i'll take photos and do a diy.... when i get around to it

[Lukezen27]

Anyone got a photo of where the rear mount is located?

[90LAN]

on the rear cross member lol
spoon mounts FTW
for daily use

[jetdc2R]

hasport mounts are good the vibration feels awesome

[ewendc2r]

Why oh why do people refer to Spoon and Mugen parts as the be and all of upgrades? They do not manufacture their parts, they're branded. You may as well simply use the part that they are using (rebranded) from their supplier and use it for less $$ ..

Its like the old Mazda 323 & Ford Laser. Same car, parts through Ford cost a fortune. Parts through Mazda on the other hand (as they on sold the parts to Ford) were a lot cheaper..

Do your research is all I'm saying, Spoon is just a brand.

[dsp26]

^^^ i would agree with you if it was anything else but on the topic of engine mounts, although not solid and still retaining factory/oem shape... the compound used is slightly harder

[chargeR]

^^^ i would agree with you if it was anything else but on the topic of engine mounts, although not solid and still retaining factory/oem shape... the compound used is slightly harder

I agree. Not everyone likes to turn their car into a rattly, race-oriented piece of junk. Particularly considering the ratio of modified Honda's that get hardparked compared to those that actually get driven. Don't need solid engine mounts for sitting in the carpark at KK.

A lot of Mugen and Spoon parts are great mild upgrades. Mugen parts generally fit like OEM too which is more than can be said for a lot of other aftermarket parts.

[90LAN]

spoon have a rating of 70a
but no harsh rattling
very good for the street imo

[dsp26]

spoon have a rating of 70a
but no harsh rattling
very good for the street imo

thats actually pretty hard.. but i'm guessing the no rattling attribute is a result of not being solid and still have the oem gaps?

[90LAN]

spot on
does the job but no rattles

[Lukezen27]

Who sells the spoon ones?

[90LAN]

Who sells the spoon ones?

with the yen luke
some tight asses on here would say its a rip off

but i got mine through jdm yard
or jdm concept can get for you

[Lukezen27]

with the yen luke
some tight asses on here would say its a rip off

but i got mine through jdm yard
or jdm concept can get for you

Yeah just don't wont my car to rattles apart

[Benson]

Mugen and spoon is the sorta the same as innovative, just that it looks more OEM in the stock black colour. For me personally, innovative is cheap and servies it purpose very well

In reference to soild mounts, 60a is certainly not solid. Solid is 85a and upgrader to solid metal

[Lukezen27]

Mugen and spoon is the sorta the same as innovative, just that it looks more OEM in the stock black colour. For me personally, innovative is cheap and servies it purpose very well

In reference to soild mounts, 60a is certainly not solid. Solid is 85a and upgrader to solid metal

Who sells the innovative Benson?

[Benson]

Ebay has heaps of em,

If you get stuck then PM, there is one guy that i get it from

[CRXer]

nah...go the spoon luke,woolworths, aisle 4,next to the knives & forks,heaps cheap

[Lukezen27]

nah...go the spoon luke,woolworths, aisle 4,next to the knives & forks,heaps cheap

Kook!!!!!!!!!

:p

[geeang]

I got my innovative billet mounts (60A red) for $400 delivered from Ebay, and that's before the dollar recovered to what it is now.

[Lukezen27]

I got my innovative billet mounts (60A red) for $400 delivered from Ebay, and that's before the dollar recovered to what it is now.

What car and motor?

Hows it feel?

[geeang]

DC2 Integra, B18C, I haven't got them installed yet (in a week or two).

[Limbo]

i did mine and it was all good. No harsh vibrations at all.
The car certainly feels more responsive turning quickly

[Bludger]

i did mine and it was all good. No harsh vibrations at all.
The car certainly feels more responsive turning quicklyyou did it as in you ****ed your car??

which hole?? I thought more vibration would feel better.

or were you talking about engine mounts. if so, please be more specific.
what did you do, what did you use.

turn quickly? please elaborate, thanks:)

[Limbo]

energy suspension
Rear mount and 2 torque mounts

[Bludger]

Everyone referring to (especially Ron) Sikaflex 227.

My concern is that its gonna be too soft, because I have heard people use 227 for the windscreen sealant?? being used in that sort of application would mean that its quite soft??? I wouldn't really know. Can anyone confirm this.

I bought a tube of 227 ready to fill in my mounts very, very soon.
Should I exchange it for a tube of 255???

My application is just spirited street driving.
Thanks

[Lukezen27]

Everyone referring to (especially Ron) Sikaflex 227.

My concern is that its gonna be too soft, because I have heard people use 227 for the windscreen sealant?? being used in that sort of application would mean that its quite soft??? I wouldn't really know. Can anyone confirm this.

I bought a tube of 227 ready to fill in my mounts very, very soon.
Should I exchange it for a tube of 255???

My application is just spirited street driving.
Thanks

I'd also like to know the best Sikaflex version too

[bennjamin]

255 black used here. Still shaking my dash 3 years on.

It's VERY important to use clean non-cracked mounts to fill !

[Bludger]

you have any opinion on 227 Bennjamin?

[Lerlo]

Anyone used Bostik Seal n Flex for their mounts, I just filled my mounts with that before i found this thread.....:(
Its polyurethane as well, have a friend used it with no problems...

[Bludger]

Anyone used Bostik Seal n Flex for their mounts, I just filled my mounts with that before i found this thread.....:(
Its polyurethane as well, have a friend used it with no problems...Well, why don't you tell us what you think of it........:confused:

[Lerlo]

Well, why don't you tell us what you think of it........:confused:

Because Ive never tried sikaflex....so I cant compare.... friends car do feel much better with dash vibration on idle and low revs

[Bludger]

Because Ive never tried sikaflex....so I cant compare.... friends car do feel much better with dash vibration on idle and low revsyou said you used the bostik stuff, what do you think of that?

[vinnY]

pretty much all the same stuff isn't it?
guys in the US use 3m's window weld stuff
i've used sikaflex 252 and i reckon that stuff is softer than the energy suspension inserts and generally all other solid mounts i've felt

[Lerlo]

I couldnt find the bostik stuff in bunnings the other day,
so I bought sikaflex 252s instead. I must say sikaflex dries much faster and seems harder than the bostik ones. The bostik one was a little runnier making it easier to fill the mounts with though...

Another thing i learnt after doing the second mount. Because these things are so sticky and not runny at all, its very difficult to fill it 100% without any air pockets inside. After letting it dry for about 4 hours, the outside surface will be dry to the touch. Now I could use my fingers to compress the filling without getting my hands all gooey. once compacted, u can fill it up again if u wish. Doing a little at the time greatly increases drying time. My first mount i did it in one go and is still wet on the inside after 3 days....sigh...

[Limbo]

bostick is a different brand, its only silicon, stikaflex is designed for specific applications & its longer lasting

[Lerlo]

bostick is a different brand, its only silicon, stikaflex is designed for specific applications & its longer lasting

No bostik seal n flex is polyurethane

[Bludger]

I couldnt find the bostik stuff in bunnings the other day,
so I bought sikaflex 252s instead. I must say sikaflex dries much faster and seems harder than the bostik ones. The bostik one was a little runnier making it easier to fill the mounts with though...

Another thing i learnt after doing the second mount. Because these things are so sticky and not runny at all, its very difficult to fill it 100% without any air pockets inside. After letting it dry for about 4 hours, the outside surface will be dry to the touch. Now I could use my fingers to compress the filling without getting my hands all gooey. once compacted, u can fill it up again if u wish. Doing a little at the time greatly increases drying time. My first mount i did it in one go and is still wet on the inside after 3 days....sigh...thats excellent information, after more of this .....

[Lukezen27]

Guys I'm off to buy some sikaflex 252

Anyone know how much each mount needs?

[Lerlo]

Guys I'm off to buy some sikaflex 252

Anyone know how much each mount needs?

One tube it more than enuff mate. I used half only...

[Lukezen27]

One tube it more than enuff mate. I used half only...

Each or one?

I've got three to do

[Lerlo]

thats excellent information, after more of this .....

Just to add, its soo much easier to use your fingers to spread the stuff, so go to the pharmacy and grab some disposable surgical gloves, makes it much simpler..

[Lerlo]

Each or one?

I've got three to do

All three... I used half a tube for all three

[Lukezen27]

All three... I used half a tube for all three

Sweet man :thumbsup:

Hope that holds my boost and I stop bunny hopping :p

[Lerlo]

Good luck!
I havent put mine in yet...hope it holds up.
Oh btw, the rear mount is really really tough to remove....

[Lukezen27]

Good luck!
I havent put mine in yet...hope it holds up.
Oh btw, the rear mount is really really tough to remove....

Yeah the back one sucks ass

I'm doing the front two and get'n Ben to help with the back :thumbsup:

[Lerlo]

Yeah the back one sucks ass

I'm doing the front two and get'n Ben to help with the back :thumbsup:

Could ya let me know whats the best way of getting to it. I unbolted the T bracket and i couldnt get it out then somehow I got to all three bolts of the mount with a long extension and a swivel socket. Then somehow after much struggle I removed the mount. But putting it back in is gonna be another hellova struggle. lol

[bennjamin]

guys i just finished hasport 3 x mount kit on a DC2 vtir - pain in the ass. Very doable , just a bunch of levering forward and back and you will get there eventually.

[Bludger]

guys i just finished hasport 3 x mount kit on a DC2 vtir - pain in the ass. Very doable , just a bunch of levering forward and back and you will get there eventually.the problem is the Ozhonda no can do attitude or the just pay someone to do it cause i can't be bothered attitude.

[Lerlo]

I managed to get the mount in eventually....took alot of levering as well...lol..but ITS IN!!

[Lukezen27]

Man sikaflex 252 is a pain in the ass to work with :p

Both front lowers and rear engine mounts are drying inside overnight.

Mounts cleaned with kerosene then cleaned with IPA electronics solvent to remove any oil residue left to ensure the sikaflex sticks well.

Once dry I'll dremal any excess sikaflex off and neaten up the mounts..

[vinnY]

filled up the mounts in one go luke? gonna take more than overnight to completely cure hehe

[Lukezen27]

filled up the mounts in one go luke? gonna take more than overnight to completely cure hehe

Yeah I did :o

Might have to bust out my brothers hair dryer while he's away this weekend :p

Or put em in the oven

[vinnY]

yeah the oven might work, give it a go and let us know how you go ;)

[Lukezen27]

guys i just finished hasport 3 x mount kit on a DC2 vtir - pain in the ass. Very doable , just a bunch of levering forward and back and you will get there eventually.

Did you need to remove the dump pipe or header in your case Ben?

I'm going to try and do the rear mount myself if you don't have to touch the exhaust.

[bennjamin]

Did you need to remove the dump pipe or header in your case Ben?

I'm going to try and do the rear mount myself if you don't have to touch the exhaust.


you will have to remove the dump pipe to do the rear mount

[Lukezen27]

you will have to remove the dump pipe to do the rear mount

that means I have to remove the manifold turbo as well.....


Fok!

[DLO01]

Just see how it goes. I did not remove mine to do the rear.

[Lukezen27]

Still not dry :(

Looks like I'll be busing it for a few days dang it!

[Lerlo]

My first one, I filled it up full.....1 week later and the inside still wasnt dry.. I just installed it anyways

[geeang]

Used billet innovatives in my build, there are extra vibrations but I LOVE it!

Shifts are much crisper, really feels like it puts the power down much more efficiently.