F20c into eg/ek civic

[joe.teg]

gday guys

was having a serious think about running an F20C S2K motor in an EG/EK plus some boost if im feel abnormal enough lmao.

had some questions.

Clearance
torquest steer etc
should i consider and AWD or RWD conversion


Thanks

[barefootbonzai]

lmao, sif you're gonna do it. But of course, feel free to prove me wrong.

[nigs]

Sometimes I stand there with no pants on, just to feel the breeze on my balls.

Feels good man.

[joe.teg]

why did i post.. lol

its a serious question

[Alexx]

If you are asking questions on a forum, you aren't going to do it.

[joe.teg]

i asked questions to make my research easier

[MikeyG]

dude if u do that... it would be soo awesome.. how about the turbo right right... with ITB's and small turbos for the ITB's dude it would be soo awesome

[SPEEDCORE]

Best advice we can give you is.... stick to a K series if your wanting a serious engine.
There is no point trying to be unique when all you gonna do is get yourself into a serious mess, spend considerable amount of cash, and get your backside served to you by something modded alot simpler but has been proven time and again.

[EG5]

1. Clearance
It will fit nicely into EG/EK
Not too sure if off the shelf engine mounts are out yet

2. torque steer etc
It will feel similar to EG or EK with K20 swap

3. should i consider and AWD or RWD conversion
Front wheel drive will be easier , people in USA doin it with K series gearbox + custom adapter


At the end of the day why dont you just do K24A or K20A swap , or if you wanna be different , be the 1st to do J SWAP! You wont find any usefull info about F20C swap here on this forum

[90LAN]

you should buy a s2000
then put a eg/ek front onto it
then that would be close to what you want to do
seriously you have 50k to spare plus a few more lol
less if you are doing the work yourself
get a welder is my best advice to you

[joe.teg]

hahaha yeah
you guys are right

i am seriously considering a k20 turbo swap but i thought the F20 would be a unique thing to do.

[Sexc86]

you should buy a s2000
then put a eg/ek front onto it
then that would be close to what you want to do
seriously you have 50k to spare plus a few more lol
less if you are doing the work yourself
get a welder is my best advice to you

hahaha

[joe.teg]

you should buy a s2000
then put a eg/ek front onto it
then that would be close to what you want to do
seriously you have 50k to spare plus a few more lol
less if you are doing the work yourself
get a welder is my best advice to you

I loled

[Gio]

i just read these threads to laugh. 100% of the time its noobs writing this bs. And as alex said, if u were serious u wouldnt be asking here lol

[joe.teg]

Im asking a serious question.

im 100% about doing this i was just exploring my options. Please if you have nothing good to say **** off because its people like you who give the forums a bad name. Im not a time waster nor am i asking questions cause i am "noob" which im not

[Type S Tony]

I wouldnt mind putting an F20C in a BMW Z3 & stroke the F**K out of it!

[barefootbonzai]

Im asking a serious question.

im 100% about doing this i was just exploring my options. Please if you have nothing good to say **** off because its people like you who give the forums a bad name. Im not a time waster nor am i asking questions cause i am "noob" which im not

It's guys like you that end up wrecking forums. Posting up new idea's, every 5 mins without actually doing any research or have any understanding of how much money and effort it would take. 99% of the time, nothing happens.

And yes you are a noob, you proved it be starting this thread.

Don't get me wrong, you can definitely find some good help here on the forums. But do you even have a budget or timeline for the project? Or you just a pipe dreaming time waster. Put your money where your mouth is, and I'll be the first one to apologize.

[simonnowis]

1. If you have the time/money/experience/skills then go for it. sounds like a great project.

2. If your expecting a drive in, drive out type job then GG

[Killa From Manila]

It's guys like you that end up wrecking forums. Posting up new idea's, every 5 mins without actually doing any research or have any understanding of how much money and effort it would take. 99% of the time, nothing happens.

And yes you are a noob, you proved it be starting this thread.

Don't get me wrong, you can definitely find some good help here on the forums. But do you even have a budget or timeline for the project? Or you just a pipe dreaming time waster. Put your money where your mouth is, and I'll be the first one to apologize.

werd.

[joe.teg]

It's guys like you that end up wrecking forums. Posting up new idea's, every 5 mins without actually doing any research or have any understanding of how much money and effort it would take. 99% of the time, nothing happens.

And yes you are a noob, you proved it be starting this thread.

Don't get me wrong, you can definitely find some good help here on the forums. But do you even have a budget or timeline for the project? Or you just a pipe dreaming time waster. Put your money where your mouth is, and I'll be the first one to apologize.

Im not a pipe dreaming time waster, i started this thread to make my research easier. The forums are here for a reason and im not a noob. I have budgeted about 50k roughly but i am doing the work myself so give or take a few.
As for time i have no clue :p

[joe.teg]

I wouldnt mind putting an F20C in a BMW Z3 & stroke the F**K out of it!

HAHAHA... and i thought a F20 into an EG/EK would be unique

[eght]

you should buy a s2000
then put a eg/ek front onto it
then that would be close to what you want to do
seriously you have 50k to spare plus a few more lol
less if you are doing the work yourself
get a welder is my best advice to you

bahahahahaha : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymucTjLz0yc

[joe.teg]

lol thats a good vid

[Riviera]

man...

theres a dude in the states whos dropped a LS1 into a EK...
so i can see why a F20C wouldnt fit...

* Torque steer - wont get it if youve got it set up north-south
as a RWD... dumb dumb

get the motor, drop it in for sizing...
speak to sum1 with experience in engine conversions and welding/fabrication...
or DIY...

if your gunna try for the north-south rwd your gunna have to bust through the firewall
get some mass fabrication happening will end up being the best part of your 30K lalalala

* if your thinking about FWD F20C dont bother... K24 or K20 ftw...

* AWD - umm... K24 + a EVO drivetrain set up lol thats just dumb...

[barefootbonzai]

Im not a pipe dreaming time waster, i started this thread to make my research easier. The forums are here for a reason and im not a noob. I have budgeted about 50k roughly but i am doing the work myself so give or take a few.
As for time i have no clue :p

Sweet, $50k should be able to put something nice together. Can't wait to see it happen, that is if it ever does.

But my guess, it'll end up being like this guy... http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67541

All talk no action.

[tec it]

I've decided that when i get the funds i will build a Datsun 1600 with a f20c and the number plates TEC-DAT......oh god i need a better job.

[hisoka]

if your serious about f20c engine, pm me. got the cut

[joe.teg]

the f20c was an option because i was thinking of something different to do.

F20c is still an option but k20 seems more feasible.

[paps02]

do s2k with 2jz!!!!

[hisoka]

whats your budget btw, cause you can buy ok cond r34 gtr for about 45~

[ludecrs]

LOL.

Lan summed up my every thought.

If you truely had $50K to spare in car funds, you wouldn't be buying an EG in the first place....

[Webby_roller]

I dont know how serious you are...

but in the states there have been a couple of performance tuners that have put f20c's and boost into civics... i belive the quickest of them is 6.x second quarter....

Umm... to have it done... you would need custom mounting for engine.. custom tunneling for a rwd gearbox and driveshafts, custom mounts for diff and whatnot in the back....and thats just some of the major stuff.... it would b a list several pages long if you went into every detail....

If it was to ever happen.. you would need big pockets.. and be very friendly for with a engineer if you ever wanted to drive it on the road lol.....

[barefootbonzai]

Had a quick look at other threads his posted. Just another time waster as expected. When will they ever learn.

[fatboyz39]

If you dont know how to fabracate (spelling) parts then forgot it. ALOT of custom work involve. Anything is POSSIBLE if you have MONEY and SKILLS to do it. If it has been done before then it can be done again and again.

[joe.teg]

Had a quick look at other threads his posted. Just another time waster as expected. When will they ever learn.

everyone else is being helpful... if you have nothing good to say on the topic dont post and keep your opinions to yourself

[barefootbonzai]

everyone else is being helpful... if you have nothing good to say on the topic dont post and keep your opinions to yourself

but you're just wasting everyones time. i'd be more than happy to help if i thought you were actually serious.

[EG5]

If you are serious
We can sort this F20 swap with K20A gearbox to your EG/EK.
Fabrication will be no problem at all

[NVD52K]

i have brand new toda itb and cams already here if you want to buy it for a f20c lol

[45SET]

*BAM* (http://www.honda-tech.com/tags.php?tag=f2k)

Your research skillz was SWEET!

Search for F2K swaps.

As others have said... it can be done, and the F20C is a good engine (VERY GOOD), But the K20 is a newer engine, and more advanced.

[EG5]

F2K!
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d24/sickhb/492.jpg

http://www.thespeedlounge.com/azcms/photos/181/preview/IMG_1824.jpg

AllenBuilt/RSTech Tuned All Motor F2K Coupe: 11.08 - 125

"Looks" too easy to run 11sec flat with a fully built Allmotor F20C with K gearbox
In reality it is very hard to do it

[joe.teg]

Thanks EG6... Im at the planning stage still atm but in the few months ull pm you

[CoupeTurbo]

im sure you will

[lil_foy]

Thanks EG6... Im at the planning stage still atm but in the few months ull pm you

I'll put $5000 cash that you never build it.

[FLICK]

Guys. If you really think he is wasting time (im not saying he is not). Then why you guys keep posting and following this thread. Arent you guys just wasting your own time. Funny how it works. If he wants to dream, let him. Nothing wrong with that. If you think his a load of BS! then dont bother with him and keep posting unless you find it quite amusing.

joe.teg with 50k this is what i would do....BUY A HOUSE!:thumbsup: coz you aint getting that money back.

[civicem1]

50k and you wanna roll an eg? How about you spend 5k and buy an eg before you start dreaming.

[barefootbonzai]

Guys. If you really think he is wasting time (im not saying he is not). Then why you guys keep posting and following this thread. Arent you guys just wasting your own time. Funny how it works. If he wants to dream, let him. Nothing wrong with that. If you think his a load of BS! then dont bother with him and keep posting unless you find it quite amusing.


Cause it's good entertainment. Plus, I'd love to see him do. He probably wasn't really gonna do, but now it might just to prove me wrong!

[moo moo nel]

joe.teg with 50k this is what i would do....BUY A HOUSE!:thumbsup: coz you aint getting that money back.

I had a feeling that the line above was typed by FLICK's wife

[EG5]

i had a feeling that andrew's wife was typing the line above

hahahha :)

[end7]

Guys. If you really think he is wasting time (im not saying he is not). Then why you guys keep posting and following this thread. Arent you guys just wasting your own time. Funny how it works. If he wants to dream, let him. Nothing wrong with that. If you think his a load of BS! then dont bother with him and keep posting unless you find it quite amusing.

joe.teg with 50k this is what i would do....BUY A HOUSE!:thumbsup: coz you aint getting that money back.

agree!! now im coming...lol

[FLICK]

I had a feeling that the line above was typed by FLICK's wife

Hahaha nelson. Thats a good one. No seriously if i had 50k at my disposal i wouldn't spend it all like that. Im spending bit by bit on my car so you really don't notice and it doesn't hurt the bank balance that bad. But its all good fun! Im almost there! Like yonas said to me once never put a budget on builds.

[paps02]

Like yonas said to me once never put a budget on builds.

thats the truest thing iv heard on this thread...

[VT33EC]

gday guys

was having a serious think about running an F20C S2K motor in an EG/EK plus some boost if im feel abnormal enough lmao.

had some questions.

Clearance
torquest steer etc
should i consider and AWD or RWD conversion


Thanks


fark dude your not asking for much are ya?,thats one hell of a combo package your planning if it pulls through......prove us wrong bro and start uploading some pics of the process build when you start,...has that idea even been done down here in oz?......its been done in the US but anythings possible over there,ive read in a car site some where,that theyve put a 2JZ in and integra it had suprega number plates lol.....anyways all in all good luck man,get building :thumbsup:

[EG5]

Off the shelf engine mounts for F2K is out already!

[Gio]

It's guys like you that end up wrecking forums. Posting up new idea's, every 5 mins without actually doing any research or have any understanding of how much money and effort it would take. 99% of the time, nothing happens.

And yes you are a noob, you proved it be starting this thread.

Don't get me wrong, you can definitely find some good help here on the forums. But do you even have a budget or timeline for the project? Or you just a pipe dreaming time waster. Put your money where your mouth is, and I'll be the first one to apologize.

Lol pwnt.

Anyway this is getting boring.

Well said barefoot.

[eg5civic]

Off the shelf engine mounts for F2K is out already!

as yonas said that inline auto or whatever in the usa do the F2K kit

check that hondatech link that was posted up

[joyride]

no more bad fellowship in this thread guys.

[joe.teg]

its a project me and dad have decided to do so its coming half and half. and yes WHEN i start there will be pics posted

[45SET]

Should be an interesting build. I actually looked into this a few months ago (Just for the hell of it), and most of the information I read (U.S. based) said that the K-series was more developed then the F20c, and if you are seriously considering a swap into a EG/EK/DC2 the K-series was a better option for a few reasons:
- K20/K24 are newer and have more technology then the F20c (F20c debuted in late 90's, K-series early 2000's)
- K20/K24 come in FWD formation, and you don't need to dick around with fitting it etc.

Sure the F20c (And F22c) is a GREAT engines, and make the S2000 a hell of a car, but if it was such a good swap, you wouldn't be the first person in Australia doing it, and it would be in a lot more car in the states for example.

Seriously, do A LOT more research before you get into this build, because i can assure you its not going to be as simple as getting some engine mounts and bolting it in, you'll have to do a fair bit of custom work to get the engine to fit to everything, and then you'll also have to spend a fair bit of time and money on getting it running... and if your going to do it from scratch you'll need someone that knows what they are doing.

You also haven't said what you want to use the car for. If your after drag car, read up about the J-series of engines. You would get a lot more street cred for have a 3.5L V6 in a EG then a F20c... of which only Honda people would know that a F20c is from a S2000, everyone else will think its from a DC5.

[joe.teg]

Umm the car would be used to time attack purposes.

Like i said before im exploring my options, K20 seems more convention but f20 is more out there. Either wait its F20 or K20

[45SET]

For time attack. Look into the rules for some of the comps you would enter. Some of them are strict about what kind of engine modifications you can do.

[end7]

Umm the car would be used to time attack purposes.

Like i said before im exploring my options, K20 seems more convention but f20 is more out there. Either wait its F20 or K20

There is guy selling brand new K20 for 15grant if u feel like wanna something special but easy this prob suit you best than difficult f20. What he means by new is really brand new no s**t here is the link :thumbsup:

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112708

[imratedpg]

this fs thread has been on for awhile not sure if its sold but thats a start F20C
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98594

[Sexc86]

To me the Kseries swap over the F20c seems like a better option. The K conversion has been proven plenty on times in australia where the F20c is probably not the case.

Doing a f20c Conversion could be like "sailing into the unknown" not really knowing what to expect with little support from others as not many have done it. Atleast with A K conversion there is plenty of info out there to prepare yourself for what lies infront of you.

[nigs]

45SET brings up a excellent point.
If you were indeed serious and the main purpose of the car was time attack.
Then you would have looked up the rules and restrictions imposed on the class in which you wish to compete in.
And then build your car around that. That's if you were serious.........

Some time attack events/clubs can be pretty strict.
I once got told I couldn't compete in street class cause my tyres weren't DOT approved. LOL.

C30. DO IT KID.

[JAP-S2K]

coming from a F20C owner, opt for the K20A. Cheaper to buy, easily assesable, already in FWD format, more available aftermarket parts, possibly more achievable outright hp in N/A form. IMO the K20A is a better engine than the F20C, as this was Hondas attempt to develop an engine that could outdo the B-series, in some ways it did(hp/L) and didn't(lots were recalled for excessive oil consumption'99-'01). However with the K-series, they managed to not only better the B-series but also iron out small issues that the F-series had. If time attack is what your after, theres plenty K-swaps that have been proven, track and street. Proof's in all the above posts.

[trism]

yep. k it

if you wanna be original and spend lots of money, boost it, coz there isnt many boosted k swaps in aus

[joe.teg]

i think this is my best best

my decision is to build a boosted k series.

Now my decision is turbo or supercharged?

[blk_shadow]

i think this is my best best

my decision is to build a boosted k series.

Now my decision is turbo or supercharged?

why not both? put turbo and supercharger together.

don't forget to let us know in this thread, when the project is started.

[trism]

me id go S/C

boost from idle, no lag, and the whine of a supercharger are all epic

plus you can buy off the shelf kits for them tat just bolt straight up

[7ypeR]

Well I guess in a way, barefoot was right. You're not going through with the f20c :(

If you want to time attack your car then i'd say forced induction + k-series is not such a smart move as there's too much torque for you to power AND turn the wheels. Better you take a k-swapped car for a drive first. You will see it'll do the job and some.

On another note, for 50k, go buy yourself an M3. They're a pretty well balanced car for daily and track from what i've been told. Plus you'll pick up that money hungry wh*re from the bar you always wanted :thumbsup:

[Sexc86]

ahahaah willie knows all about money hungry whores!

[joe.teg]

as i said it was an option.

umm i was thinking supercharged coz you alway have to power there rather than building boost and possible getting the wheel spin.

Ill sort it out lol
thanks for the help boys

[45SET]

as i said it was an option.

umm i was thinking supercharged coz you alway have to power there rather than building boost and possible getting the wheel spin.

Ill sort it out lol
thanks for the help boys


Wow... with comments like that you REALLY need to learn A LOT about engines and how they react to differant modifications.

Sit down and READ as much information as possible... go find a thread in the forced induction section with the most pages and just read it all, then once you've done that, read another thread, then another and another. While your reading, if you come across something you don't fully understand, write it down and research it (Via google) so you understand what people are talking about.

Then make a informed decision about what you are going to do, because at the moment you seem like the type of person that would take the word of any mechanic as gossip, and pay them stupid amounts of money for stuff you really don't need.

And just for your information, you can get turbos that start to boost at 1500RPM.

I reccomend you also read through Timofytit's build thread (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101958) if you want to see what a all motor K-series time attack can do.

If you are serious about this build, you would have already done all this research to start with... as barefoot said 3 pages ago.

[mr180sx]

Agreed. Theres pages of info out there. Sounds like hes to lazy to do his own research.

Cant believe this thread is still going:zip:


Wow... with comments like that you REALLY need to learn A LOT about engines and how they react to differant modifications.

Sit down and READ as much information as possible... go find a thread in the forced induction section with the most pages and just read it all, then once you've done that, read another thread, then another and another. While your reading, if you come across something you don't fully understand, write it down and research it (Via google) so you understand what people are talking about.

Then make a informed decision about what you are going to do, because at the moment you seem like the type of person that would take the word of any mechanic as gossip, and pay them stupid amounts of money for stuff you really don't need.

And just for your information, you can get turbos that start to boost at 1500RPM.

I reccomend you also read through Timofytit's build thread (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101958) if you want to see what a all motor K-series time attack can do.

If you are serious about this build, you would have already done all this research to start with... as barefoot said 3 pages ago.

[45SET]

Agreed. Theres pages of info out there. Sounds like hes to lazy to do his own research.

Cant believe this thread is still going:zip:

I'm just reading the thread for the lulz now :p

[Alexx]

I'm just reading the thread for the lulz now :p

so true, ive been reading it for the lulz since the OP :wave:

[DC2108]

hard lolz

[FLICK]

What a waste of 7 pages that was.

[joyride]

yes its funny because he sounds like a 'noob' but give him a chance. we were all like this when we first started getting into the automotive scene.

[7ypeR]

yes its funny because he sounds like a 'noob' but give him a chance. we were all like this when we first started getting into the automotive scene.

I agree...i've always wanted that sr20 in my Honda Civic :)

[ludecrs]

You still get wheelspin in a S/c S2000. LOL.

[STiR]

How many commitments has this guy made in this thread. Story and plan changes as everyone feeds his appetite!

[Lerlo]

Just a suggestion but if u want more power, why not just buy a faster car? sell yours now, and get something better. U wont get made fun of like whats happening, and u will get the results faster.
IMHO engine swaps are for people who have spent so much on their car that they cant really go back and sell it, either that or they found an engine for cheap.... or they are DIY junkies that love wanking off to their own work...

[45SET]

Updates?

[hisoka]

he bought my f20c cut. then never heard from him again.

nah not really

[TONTON]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmP3au8UoXc

V8 civic Ek, RWD lol

doesnt look right.. its too short to eb RWD

[Webby_roller]

I heard about the V8 in the civic....

I believe its called a civette....

Trust America to put a v8 into one....

[steeeven]

i think he stopped smoking weed...

[joyride]

any future replies to this thread that is not constructive in any way will be deleted and you WILL get an infraction.

[Type S Tony]

I remember seeing an article once on a tuner in the states that was building a turbo civic drag car with a full tube chasis and he used an F20C with an adapter plate to mount it east-west with a built k-series gearbox.
The engine was tilted towards the firwall at like 60 degrees but he had it working, i think part of the reason why he could do this was A)he had his own workshop, B)he had bankroll with sponsors & stuff, c) full tube chasis, d)knew what he was doing!

So i cant see why an F20C swap wouldnt be possible in a FWD set up.

[Boost]

F20C civic would be interesting, even more fun in RWD. Would'nt even bother doing f20 if its FWD.
For $50k id scrap hondas and go Lotus.