the new mod

[INVSBL]

high i would like to discuss the actions taken by the moderator claymore.

i like lots of other 'spammers' hav been infracted for posts made in the spam thread, which i dont see nesseray, i understand the mods/owner hav had enough of off topic bs, but by having a mod troll the spam thread and infract anyone who says anything bad, frankly is gonna cause ozhonda to lose alot of members due to people being banned.

i enjoy using the spam thread to be a nub and talk stupidly, and thanks to that thread, my stupidity stays out of the spam thread, but if im gonna hav a troll in spam and give me infractions in there, then frankly i dont see y i shouldnt just be a kent and spam everwere, its gonna bet me banned either way.


so to sum up, i want claymore out of spam thread.
thanks.

[MRGRIM]

mmmmm

[kazam]

hi, kazam here, long time member, regular spammer.

My main concern is that previously, infractions were never given out in the spam thread, NEVER EVER have i seen it done, despite 90% of personal attacks and arguments being made in there, it was the space that we could spam and talk sh1t in without being infracted, i belive this new strict code in the spam thread is going 2 c a rebellion and a new movement formed (much like the infamous "ozhonda 4 lyf" clan) which will reek its havoc over all areas of the forum... consider yourselves warned.


sincerely yours,

blow me.

[joyride]

hi guys,

yes the spam thread was created so you can do all your spamming in there. personal attacks on other members will not be tolerated and in worst case scenarios, infractions may be handed out. if you feel that you have been treated harshly then send a PM to the moderator who infracted you to seek justification.
there is no need to write posts saying that you will spam in other forums guys. this can be handled in a mature way.

[kazam]

hi guys,

yes the spam thread was created so you can do all your spamming in there. personal attacks on other members will not be tolerated and in worst case scenarios, infractions may be handed out. if you feel that you have been treated harshly then send a PM to the moderator who infracted you to seek justification.
there is no need to write posts saying that you will spam in other forums guys. this can be handled in a mature way.


hi,

firstly, if there was any justifying with the mod at hand, then that would mean that particular mod was reasonable, which would also mean those infractions would not have been handed out.

so seeing as how we were infact handed infractions thus means that a- the mod is not reasonable and b- there is no chance we would recieve a thorough justification.

up until the introdcution of this new mod, nobody has ever gotten an infraction for doing ANYTHING in the spam thread, now if ozhonda decides 2 implement this new rule, i think we deserve a right as full-time spammers to be made aware of it first.

[INVSBL]

ok ignore that bit then, just tell claymore that he should learn that the spam area is meant as a joke, nothing said in there is serious, if he dosent like it he can leave, he is the only person iv ever had complain, and what make sit worse, he went straight to a six point infraction, iv never been, warned for a personal attack let alone infracted b4, and this mod comes in and just hands out infraction for things said in a joking mannor.

i havnt even been here for a year and i know that wat happens in spam stays in spam, nothign is meant seriously yada yada yada.

shesh, i can understand mods hav a hard time controlling shiz, but mabye if they kept the newbies out of spam thread and worry bout real spam they would hav an easier job?

btw, iv made posts which would be seen as a 'personal attack' to other mods in the spam thread b4 and didnt get anything, yet he comes along and from the first bad thing iv said gives me a 6 point infraction, thats harsh.
and i did take it up with him, told me to follow guidlines.

i wont follow guidelines set out on a free forum in a thread made for people to spam.

if he is too small minded, or to easlly offended by wat i or any1 says, mabye he isnt the right person for the job, mabye some1 who can ignore insult and moderate unbiasedly is better for the job? mabye those people are the mods that hav allways been here, and mabye this new/returning mod should bugger off.


thats as mature as im gonna get on such a silly matter.

[joyride]

well said guys.
this discussion will be brought up with the moderators so we can clearly define what can/cant go on in the spam. as far as i know, i dont think there is a set rule; its been more of an unwritten rule in OH?
as members of OH, if there are any changes that are made, you will always be notified.

[claymore]

ps they were all warned in the spam thread

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

lol@Lukey

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2289001&postcount=3332

[ek4-guy]

I'd just like to add that sometimes members discussions can get a bit heated and no amount of infractions will stop them saying what they feel they need to another member

In the past I myself have taken many an arguement to the spam thread so as not to wreck decent threads

I know that idealy it should be taken to pm but we all also know human nature and that if there was no audience then there would be no arguement

Also as for taking up any problem with this mod (I have nothing to take up as yet) well I have in the past when he was previously a mod. This led to repeated abusive pms being exchanged and even after I asked him to stop and not to pm me again many times he continued trying to bait me with more personal attacks

In the end the final straw was when I received threats

I don't know about anyone else but I did not sign up to this forum to be threatend by a moderator

I'm sure he will try to deny all this and I didn't save the pms at the time but I did forward them all to Wynode so he knows I'm not talking crap

[trism]

i agree. what happens in spam stays in spam.

you cant get all high and mighty and start infracting left right and centre because you are a mod again

[mojo the flashy monkey]

i have to agree here ive been on this site for a long time and know most of the mods on here and in real life and i understand that it can be hard.

but in this case it has been take to far targeting certain ppl even tho others have also done the same thing.

you cant just change the rules at a whim and expect everyone to conform this is a public forum and we are used to being able to express our selves in the spam thread with minor mod intervention.

but to give out infractions for things in the spam thread is just ridicules there were no issues in the spam thread until the mod in question became a mod and decided to target people with little to no justification.

it would have been better to just delete the posts made and let ppl know via pm and posts that there is a issue with this, by doing it the way it was done it caused more arguments and issues not solve them as mods are intended to do.

you cant have double standards and thats whats happening i have never seen any other mods do this till now.

"this can be handled in a mature way" if this was the case then we would not have this problem as it currently is

that is all rant over

thanks :D

[kazam]

btw just a little reminder that after all it's the mods that always say "take it 2 the spam thread" if we can't freely take 'it' 2 the spam thread without being infracted then where do we take 'it' now?

[chunky]

best thread ever

[claymore]

but to give out infractions for things in the spam thread is just ridicules there were no issues in the spam thread until the mod in question became a mod and decided to target people with little to no justification.

it would have been better to just delete the posts made and let ppl know via pm and posts that there is a issue with this, by doing it the way it was done it caused more arguments and issues not solve them as mods are intended to do.

edited by claymore for space reasons
thanks :D

The infractions started from REPORTED POSTS FROM SPAMMERS IN THE SPAM POST not because anyone was targeted.

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

The infractions started from REPORTED POSTS FROM SPAMMERS IN THE SPAM THREAD not because anyone was targeted.
fixed

[Q_ball]

lol@Lukey

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2289001&postcount=3332
That is justified.
Despite the spam thread being "spam", you can still break t/c of the forums within in it.
If Lukey had directed that post to me within the spam thread, i wouldve infracted him as well.

btw just a little reminder that after all it's the mods that always say "take it 2 the spam thread" if we can't freely take 'it' 2 the spam thread without being infracted then where do we take 'it' now?
Spam is supposed to be taken to the spam thread,
Off topic and irrelevant posts are supposed to be taken to the spam thread.
Bickering can also be taken to the spam thread.

Discussion or orchestrating of spam in other areas via the spam thread is not tollerated, nor is the blatant disrespect towards other mods and members alike.

[mojo the flashy monkey]

The infractions started from REPORTED POSTS FROM SPAMMERS IN THE SPAM POST not because anyone was targeted.

where the people that reported it taking part and also voicing there opinions spamming?

like i understand that some one reported it but i could go and report anything with my name in it dont mean i find it offensive just to attack others so in theory u could be helping ppl get some one baned just cos they dont like that person and report them for something pointless.

and this is why im saying you could have just deleted the posts in question and given a warning taht the post was offencive and delt with it in a much better way.....

on another note why would u edit my post were not communists on this forum i want my lengthy space taking up post back!!! jks :D

[INVSBL]

best thread ever

thanks.
but to be honest, this thread was not made for that intention, was made as im pissed off at over steeping authority.

i completely understand that the mods of OZHONDA are sick and tired of irrelevant posts. but posts in spam thread arnt irrelevant, and frankly shouldnt be moderated to the extent they are now. sure delete the porn, but frankly thats were it should end, all text should be ignored in the spam thread.

and if anything bad was said, it was said in reaction to the new authority overstepping their boundaries.

i can tell u now, if the mod in question kept their nose out of the spam thread, or if another moderator looked at the 'reports' this whole pathetic thing would never of happened.

unless thats y ozhonda brought that person back, so they could deal with the reports and take the blame when the ozhonda community out lashed like it has here so far.

[chunky]

^ that is exactly why i love this thread
its like your reading my mind

[dc2dc2dc2]

the crackdown is on.

witch hunt on all spammers to be banned pretty much.

one little slip up and bye bye.

[kazam]

That is justified.
Despite the spam thread being "spam", you can still break t/c of the forums within in it.
If Lukey had directed that post to me within the spam thread, i wouldve infracted him as well.

Spam is supposed to be taken to the spam thread,
Off topic and irrelevant posts are supposed to be taken to the spam thread.
Bickering can also be taken to the spam thread.

Discussion or orchestrating of spam in other areas via the spam thread is not tollerated, nor is the blatant disrespect towards other mods and members alike.



Q I've said many things 2 both u and panda in the spam thread, and you've both read them, and i've never been infracted, i just received a 6point infraction from clay for calling him a psycho, i've called u MUCH worst things in the spam thread and you have never given me an infraction or a warning... that is the MAIN POINT of this argument, up until the introduction of claymore we've never been infracted for anything in the spam thread.....

[dc2dc2dc2]

can't u read kazam

the witch hunt is on.

[SiReal]

*I take no sides*

Infracting in the spam thread is just a bit too much. If we wanted Ozhonda to be a big brother society, then this is the way to go. At this rate, the fun of OH will diminish in no time.

When I used to be a mod, any complaints in the spam thread relating to posts simply got deleted. Why? Its the spam thread and it is full of nonsense and shit, NOT politically correct'ness.

In other threads/subforums, then fair enough.

Either way, it is based on personal discretion but one musn't forget that the spam thread is there for a purpose, and one also musn't forget the general age of members here and their associated activities/behaviours.

Not everyone will love you and you have take the good with the bad, in the same way, be prepared to be labelled a pyscho and be able to cast your eye over it , even better, read it, understand it and work in a way MORE effective to do the job and to NOT create hostility (now thats success).

[cracker]

SiReal 4 mod.
he's experienced, claymore has been dificult as a member and hence become a dificult mod..

[stephen8512]

i agree with the posts here regarding claymore as a mod......
seriously this guy has issues....who decided to make him a mod anyway?

[Zilli]

Doesnt make sense to put someone in as a moderator who has completely opposing values to the general demographic on this site (i.e. age etc.), this has been made blatantly clear by his attitude as a member on the site. And then to put him in charge of the lounge? where most exposure to member's non-Honda related views/thoughts/feelings/day to day lives are exposed is like setting a time bomb... dunno what you guys were thinking?

He's better off in the technical forum where at least some of his wisdom will be useful, and his "my shit smells like roses" attitude wont matter as much, as long as he can take feedback and be a "leader" as moderator to help people see right from wrong... kind of like an Aaronng figure, who has a ridiculously broad range of knowledge, but doesn't make you feel like an idiot for asking questions or incorrect assertions... but then maybe this is why you guys put him in the lounge? so he doesn't affect the real reason for Ozhonda? rather delivering his wrath in an irrelevant part of the site? i dont know...

Anyway, will be interesting to see what happens to the site as a result of this...

[cracker]

yeah aaronng pwnz + ben

[hisoka]

iam just in here to say, the thread he closed regarding the talk to strangers was compleyley stupid, it was in the lounge and definately was not getting out of hand.

and to top it off the moderator claymore said, you guys have had your fun. WRONG , i actually logged in to post the funny convos i had from yesterday, to my suprise he closed the thread.

why isnt SIReal a mod, his pretty cool

[aaronng]

iam just in here to say, the thread he closed regarding the talk to strangers was compleyley stupid, it was in the lounge and definately was not getting out of hand.

and to top it off the moderator claymore said, you guys have had your fun. WRONG , i actually logged in to post the funny convos i had from yesterday, to my suprise he closed the thread.

why isnt SIReal a mod, his pretty cool

The talk to strangers thread was fine until the end when Wynode and Claymore's names were used to promote gay sex. When that happened, the thread had to be closed.

[hisoka]

cant you just delete the posts, and continue the thread, like the PICS that make you lol, if there is a bad post, you didnt close the whole thread, you just deleted the post.

[aaronng]

The majority of infractions in the spam thread were related to personal attacks on other members. Those posts were reported and hence action was taken. I would like to remind everyone that eventhough the spam thread is like a "safe haven" for spam, it still falls under the terms and conditions of the forum. As below, members agree not to threaten, abuse or offend each other, and that also applies in the spam thread.


General posting conditions (for all sections of the forum)

Members who submit posts are solely responsible for their own posts, and agree not to include any content that:

(b) is unlawful, defamatory, libellous, threatening, abusive, offensive, obscene, vulgar, pornographic, dangerous, knowingly false, harassing, sexually oriented, racist, or invasive of an individual's privacy;

For those complaining that previously, members were not infracted for their offences in the spam thread, there are two reasons for that. Firstly was because we tried to be more lenient and let members do sort of what they wanted. As a result of that, we get rubbish like brothel threads and fighting in the forums. Hence the reason for more mods and enforcement of the infractions.

Secondly, the number of active mods was low, hence some members were complaining that mods were not performing their duties. For us, Ozhonda is not our job. We volunteer to help keep the forum in line. A result of that, there have been times where we were laxed, especially in going through the spam thread which grows at a rate of a few pages each day!

Although there will be many complaints about Ozhonda becoming more strict, but this is a step that we have to take for now as this forum's image is becoming sort of a joke when you bring up the Ozhonda name on JDMST or CRSX. I've said it a few times before, that Ozhonda is not meant to be a general forum where you can talk about anything under the sun and post up ridiculous shit. Ozhonda is meant to be a forum where any simple or noob Honda question can be asked without being flamed like on Hondatech.

[aaronng]

cant you just delete the posts, and continue the thread, like the PICS that make you lol, if there is a bad post, you didnt close the whole thread, you just deleted the post.

Each mod has a different way of dealing with threads. That thread could have been cleaned up or could have been closed/deleted. Both ways are correct and that is the action that the Lounge mod decided to take.

[hisoka]

are we allowed to make a new thread ?or will that get closed ?

[aaronng]

are we allowed to make a new thread ?or will that get closed ?

That depends on the Lounge mods: tRipitaka, Q_ball, panda[cRx], claymore.

[hisoka]

why arent you a lounge mod, lol ure the cool mod who changes my forsale thread title . cool

[aaronng]

why arent you a lounge mod, lol ure the cool mod who changes my forsale thread title . cool
Because I started as the Accord mod and then started helping around in all the other sections too. But in the end, I am still the Accord section mod. Being a lounge mod is not easy, they cop most of the crap as they have to be the bad guys in order to keep the lounge in line. For every thread that the lounge mod closes, the thread starter will start hating the lounge mod. That's why it is not an easy job. They very quickly become hated when they do their mod duties.

[INVSBL]

so i dont get it, because he has different opinions to every other mod, and deals with things completely differently to EVERY OTHER MOD. i hav to live with it and change the way i interact on ozhonda?

or are u gonna tell claymore to back off and give warnings b4 he gives out 6 point infractions for silly things in the spam thread.

thats wat i started this thread for, to talk bout overboard moderating from claymore in spam thread, i dont care bout wat happens else were, just along as i dont need to worry bout wat i say in spam, as it has never got me in trouble before and i dont see why it should change.

mabye make him mod everywhere bar the spam thread. that would probs make alot of people happy. he can be a tough mod in places that need it, and keep his knose out of the places that dont.


or are all these suggestions going to deaf ears as u guys are gonna do what u want coz its 'your' forum, and u do wat 'you' want.

[aaronng]

As I said, personal attacks will get an infraction. We were laxed before and that's why members got away with it. Now that the actions of a few individuals has prompted us to increase the number of moderators and enforce the T&C, that is how it is going to be. Attacks on other members will cop a 6 point infraction. So please, spam all you want in the spam thread but don't attack each other. Keep attacks to PM if you still feel the need to do so.

[ek4-guy]

As I said, personal attacks will get an infraction. We were laxed before and that's why members got away with it. Now that the actions of a few individuals has prompted us to increase the number of moderators and enforce the T&C, that is how it is going to be. Attacks on other members will cop a 6 point infraction. So please, spam all you want in the spam thread but don't attack each other. Keep attacks to PM if you still feel the need to do so.

but i think the point is that claymore hasn't botherd to understand the spam thread

a few of the infractions handed out as personal attacks have been jokes between friends

[INVSBL]

so if another spammer and i were having a fake e-war (iv done this multiple times with derek, and for an outsider it would look like we are both serious) in the spam thread and claymore comes along and reads it as a full on attack, gives me a 6 point infraction, im gonna hav to live with it?

thats wat i want to know, coz if i hav to act and talk with the same sort of manners and restrictions on wat i say similar to a year 7 student, i think thats pathetic.

[aaronng]

but i think the point is that claymore hasn't botherd to understand the spam thread

a few of the infractions handed out as personal attacks have been jokes between friends

If it is meant to be a joke and the receiving member understands that it is not meant to be a personal attack, send a PM to Claymore explaining it. If it is still not resolved, send a PM to a different mod so that we can investigate. Please be aware that mods cannot reverse infractions and that the admin has to do it. So there is a long turnaround time for complaints.

[ek4-guy]

Thanks for the info aaronng :thumbsup:


unfortunatly the long turnaround wont help Derek who is already banned

[aaronng]

so if another spammer and i were having a fake e-war (iv done this multiple times with derek, and for an outsider it would look like we are both serious) in the spam thread and claymore comes along and reads it as a full on attack, gives me a 6 point infraction, im gonna hav to live with it?

thats wat i want to know, coz if i hav to act and talk with the same sort of manners and restrictions on wat i say similar to a year 7 student, i think thats pathetic.
That's the thing. Mods are outsiders as we rarely know what happens in your daily lives and who are your friends/enemies. Hence, fake e-wars will very likely result in infractions. You don't have to live with it as you can get someone to send a PM to the mods explaining the situation. The downside is the turnaround time, so please try not to get infracted in the first place.

On public forums, you should act with manners. It is no different to walking around the shopping mall and starting a fake war with your friend there. Passerbys will complain and mall security will be on to you. Then you will end up spending a few hours explaining to security on why he should let the both of you back into the mall so that you can complete your shopping on that day.

[aaronng]

Thanks for the info aaronng :thumbsup:


unfortunatly the long turnaround wont help Derek who is already banned

Could you send me his profile link? I will bring this up to the admin. Hopefully he comes online tonight.

[INVSBL]

That's the thing. Mods are outsiders as we rarely know what happens in your daily lives and who are your friends/enemies. Hence, fake e-wars will very likely result in infractions. You don't have to live with it as you can get someone to send a PM to the mods explaining the situation. The downside is the turnaround time, so please try not to get infracted in the first place.

On public forums, you should act with manners. It is no different to walking around the shopping mall and starting a fake war with your friend there. Passerbys will complain and mall security will be on to you. Then you will end up spending a few hours explaining to security on why he should let the both of you back into the mall so that you can complete your shopping on that day.

i get wat ur saying, but using the mall as an example isnt right, the mall dosent hav a war/stupity section.
to me ozhondas spam section was the stuidty section. but if ur saying thats changing i guess i will change how my posts are interpreted then.

thanks anyways for replying.

[ek4-guy]

That's the thing. Mods are outsiders as we rarely know what happens in your daily lives and who are your friends/enemies. Hence, fake e-wars will very likely result in infractions. You don't have to live with it as you can get someone to send a PM to the mods explaining the situation. The downside is the turnaround time, so please try not to get infracted in the first place.

On public forums, you should act with manners. It is no different to walking around the shopping mall and starting a fake war with your friend there. Passerbys will complain and mall security will be on to you. Then you will end up spending a few hours explaining to security on why he should let the both of you back into the mall so that you can complete your shopping on that day.


I totally understand how mods cannot be expected to know the happenings/friends of each member

I also understand how a mod that has never lived in Australia can't understand our mannerisms and humour

[aaronng]

i get wat ur saying, but using the mall as an example isnt right, the mall dosent hav a war/stupity section.
to me ozhondas spam section was the stuidty section. but if ur saying thats changing i guess i will change how my posts are interpreted then.

thanks anyways for replying.

But the spam thread is not a war section. Hence the infractions that you might get if there was an e-war in the spam thread.

I checked the posts that you and Derek were infracted for. It was not because of your e-war between the both of you but because you two were insulting someone else.

[whtteg]

As a former spammer I understand where you guys are coming from BUT once posts start getting reported its a mods job to look at the incident reported and deal with according to how it looks at the time.

[INVSBL]

ok then, would a moderator report involving somehting said against them selves?
or to the point should a moderator deal with problems that involve them selves?
shouldnt a dif moderator be involved to remove bias?
or is that a differnt topic of which i should start another discusion thread?

[aaronng]

ok then, would a moderator report involving somehting said against them selves?
or to the point should a moderator deal with problems that involve them selves?
shouldnt a dif moderator be involved to remove bias?
or is that a differnt topic of which i should start another discusion thread?
If you were insulting me and I saw it in the spam thread, I would also infract and delete. It has nothing to do about being biased. :)

[mojo the flashy monkey]

so ur saying if a cop was to bash some 1 for no apparent reason. then the person made a police report and the cop that bashed him was the one to investigate the case that is fine....

it really should go to a 3rd party that is not involved as it comes to grudges and personal views and that's bias

were no saying its fin to say stuff about mods but a lot of this would not have happened if the mob in question would have not been as harsh and understood our humor and the love in the spam thread... this was all taken out of hand

also im not being racist but i don't get why some 1 not in aus can be a mod seeing as they would not understand us and would have diff morals.

just my opinion

[INVSBL]

ok i dont know if u saw wat i said, but wat i was infracted for was pretty weak.
a bs story that would only annoy a school child. im sure if any other mod saw wat i wrote, they would just keep scrolling down. unless out of no were we now hav robomods who infract any1 who gets outta line, which shows that ozhonda isnt getting anybetter, its now to the uninformed, 'spam and over controlling mods'.

which is weird though, coz i frankly havnt seen from the regulars any posts that would be justified as spam, sure there is a couple funny off topic posts in serious threads, but u get that in real life too, and i dont see boses running round and telling workers to take a day off coz u made a joke in a meeting. all spamming from regulars is in the lounge threads. majority of that is just funny stuff.

but ill say, im not against OH cracking down on stupid threads and moronic posts.
just against heavy handed reactions to joke posts in the spam thread.

[Red_EG4]

Each mod has a different way of dealing with threads. That thread could have been cleaned up or could have been closed/deleted. Both ways are correct and that is the action that the Lounge mod decided to take.
That seems rather unfair. If it all comes down to Mod discretion how can a user know what is ok. There needs to be better consistency.

That's the thing. Mods are outsiders as we rarely know what happens in your daily lives and who are your friends/enemies. Hence, fake e-wars will very likely result in infractions. You don't have to live with it as you can get someone to send a PM to the mods explaining the situation. The downside is the turnaround time, so please try not to get infracted in the first place.

On public forums, you should act with manners. It is no different to walking around the shopping mall and starting a fake war with your friend there. Passerbys will complain and mall security will be on to you. Then you will end up spending a few hours explaining to security on why he should let the both of you back into the mall so that you can complete your shopping on that day.
If a person involved in the argument reports the posts then fair enough but if you infract people in spam where the arguments are very light hearted without understanding the situation that is just ignorance.

[aaronng]

so ur saying if a cop was to bash some 1 for no apparent reason. then the person made a police report and the cop that bashed him was the one to investigate the case that is fine....

it really should go to a 3rd party that is not involved as it comes to grudges and personal views and that's bias


No, I did not say that. I said that if you want to complain about an infraction, you can PM that mod that gave it to you or you can PM a different mod. I did not say that you had to go through the mod that gave you the infraction.

Also, in this case, the mod was insulted, and the persons who gave the insults were infracted. So your analogy doesn't really apply since the mod did not insult the person in the first place.

[aaronng]

ok i dont know if u saw wat i said, but wat i was infracted for was pretty weak.
a bs story that would only annoy a school child. im sure if any other mod saw wat i wrote, they would just keep scrolling down. unless out of no were we now hav robomods who infract any1 who gets outta line, which shows that ozhonda isnt getting anybetter, its now to the uninformed, 'spam and over controlling mods'.

which is weird though, coz i frankly havnt seen from the regulars any posts that would be justified as spam, sure there is a couple funny off topic posts in serious threads, but u get that in real life too, and i dont see boses running round and telling workers to take a day off coz u made a joke in a meeting. all spamming from regulars is in the lounge threads. majority of that is just funny stuff.

but ill say, im not against OH cracking down on stupid threads and moronic posts.
just against heavy handed reactions to joke posts in the spam thread.
Your infracted post implied that the mod was gay and was out for revenge because he did not get rear action from another. Derek's infracted post called the mod a faggot. In my opinion, both are serious enough to warrant infractions.

[INVSBL]

Your infracted post implied that the mod was gay and was out for revenge because he did not get rear action from another. Derek's infracted post called the mod a faggot. In my opinion, both are serious enough to warrant infractions.

i still lol at that now, its the spam thread, iv said worse, he should of warned me as it was my first instance towards him. yeah i understand they can be offencive, but frankly unless ur 15, insults like that should be brushed away, not be used for an infraction.

oh well, an instance with him wont occur again, obviously he cannot deal with childish negativity brought upon from his heavy handed moderating.

[aaronng]

That seems rather unfair. If it all comes down to Mod discretion how can a user know what is ok. There needs to be better consistency.
Mods are human. There are guidelines that we follow to determine what we do. There are many situations where it is never black & white, but rather gray so a variety of solutions is possible. That is how it is in life too.



If a person involved in the argument reports the posts then fair enough but if you infract people in spam where the arguments are very light hearted without understanding the situation that is just ignorance.
The infractions given out to WITNESS and INVSBL in the spam thread that are being discussed here were not because of light hearted arguments. The two of them insulted/attacked a mod.

[mojo the flashy monkey]

No, I did not say that. I said that if you want to complain about an infraction, you can PM that mod that gave it to you or you can PM a different mod. I did not say that you had to go through the mod that gave you the infraction.

Also, in this case, the mod was insulted, and the persons who gave the insults were infracted. So your analogy doesn't really apply since the mod did not insult the person in the first place.


ok aaronng would you really have been overly offended tho you know most of us and know how we talk in spam?

[aaronng]

ok aaronng would you really have been overly offended tho you know most of us and know how we talk in spam?

If someone called me a faggot, yes, I would be offended. If it was saying that I did not get rear action, then I would let that slip with just a warning, seeing that everyone refers to this place as Ozhomo. :)

[INVSBL]

If someone called me a faggot, yes, I would be offended. If it was saying that I did not get rear action, then I would let that slip with just a warning, seeing that everyone refers to this place as Ozhomo. :)

i knew thats how u would see it.
too bad ur opinion isnt shared.

[SiReal]

Rather than continually harp on about what has happened, can I suggest a few things:

1. Moderate according to the demographics of the spammers - in saying that, don't expect the spammers to be UN diplomats, but rather younger, fun loving individuals

2. Don't trail back into peoples post history for the reason of infracting. Prevention, not punishment, otherwise we create resentment and Ozhondasux v2. Simply say "Take it easy guys" and delete the posts. Thats all that is required.

3. Try to limit US style management on an Australian forum (coming from a Telstra employee - me, in the same way as Sol failed trying to manage Telstra and the Aus Govt. It DOESN'T WORK). Hardline, bam bam bam does not work.

What I say may fall on deaf ears, but either way, I still do FULLY support Wyn and his goals, and the majority of the moderators on here. Wyn, you've done an awesome upgrade to the new platform, increasing PM's, etc, certainly heading in the right direction :thumbsup:

If I had more time, I would definitely much love to assist you to moderate again, but unfortunately life + work is a priority at this tmie.

[Red_EG4]

Mods are human. There are guidelines that we follow to determine what we do. There are many situations where it is never black & white, but rather gray so a variety of solutions is possible. That is how it is in life too.


The infractions given out to WITNESS and INVSBL in the spam thread that are being discussed here were not because of light hearted arguments. The two of them insulted/attacked a mod.
You can set guidelines. You said earlier that some mods will clean a thread and leave a warning. That can easily be step one. Instead of the choice between closing a whole thread and cleaning being left up to human discretion. I'm not saying I'm an expert, but I was an Admin and Mod on a forum for a few years so I feel I understand both sides.

We are also discussing the way in which the spam thread is policed, are we not?
You said that the staff are outsiders to justify hefty infractions in a situation where the conversation is in fact light hearted. Being a little less trigger happy is beneficial for all involved.

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

2. Don't trail back into peoples post history for the reason of infracting. Prevention, not punishment, otherwise we create resentment and Ozhondasux v2.

I would have thought a Guideline involving this would already have been in-place.

[claymore]

I would have thought a Guideline involving this would already have been in-place.


There was NO going back in users history done period. Easy to check for yourselves (if you want the TRUTH not idle speculation) go look in the treads in the lounge (no need to be a mod) and see the dates of deletion and you will see quite easily that past history was not involved in any of them.

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

Jeesh Claymore, I don't give a shit about the infractions you gave me, yeah, 2 infractions in half an hour but oh well :)

Simple fact is that briefly knowing Wynode I thought there would have been something in-place already, from readying Jeff's post I would now assume there isn't.

You overlooked, not me.

[claymore]

I didn't have a gun to your head when you posted you knew what was going on and you were just pushing the limit for your own reasons so don't try to push off YOUR own responsibility for what happened onto someone else.

You did it so man up and take your hit and get on with life and quit whining about it.

[claymore]

Jeesh Claymore, I don't give a shit about the infractions you gave me, yeah, 2 infractions in half an hour but oh well :)

Simple fact is that briefly knowing Wynode I thought there would have been something in-place already, from readying Jeff's post I would now assume there isn't.

You overlooked, not me.

Simple fact in this case Jeff is talking through his hat. He is commenting about something he knows nothing about. Like I said if you want the TRUTH, not idle speculation, go back through the lounge threads and look at the dates of any posts deleted by me and it is clear as a bell that no going back in history was done to any member.

[bootyliscious]

because its such an accomplishment to delete posts and infract people aye claymore?

u feel proud doing that?

its such a honour to australia to sacrifice yourself in that way.. so everyone can give u respect.

[SiReal]

If that is the case Claymore, I do apologise openly for my misinformation.

However, the other two points remain firm and as such, if you haven't already noticed are working negative for the forum, as opposed to positive. Its as simple as that.

My thoughts and apologies are down, there is no more I want nor need to say.

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

You did it so man up and take your hit and get on with life and quit whining about it.

I did do what I did and you did your Job, if I was having a whine and not manning up then I'd be the OP of some thread in the Site Discussion section having a whinge because I copped 2 infractions (4 points) because I posted shit outside of the Spam Thread (which is being watched anyway)

Fact is I'm not whining, just commenting.

Time for me to return to the Spam post.

[cracker]

As a former spammer I understand where you guys are coming from BUT once posts start getting reported its a mods job to look at the incident reported and deal with according to how it looks at the time.

i reported claymore on what he said when he closed the "talk to a stranger" thread...deal with it accordingly please

[BI85LL]

can i report claymore for his sig????
being from thailand and talking about explosions scares me.

And i also take offence to the comment on kicking but

[SiReal]

Guys as an ex mod, its pretty simple. If you have any problems, speak direct to Claymore first. If they are quite high level, then speak to Wynode. Wyn is a good guy with an open mind.

[cracker]

can i report claymore for his sig????
being from thailand and talking about explosions scares me.

And i also take offence to the comment on kicking but

i guess u could say he is promoting terrorism, and if someone who has been affect by terrorism in a way would take major offense.

[whtteg]

cracker all mods are assigned their own sections so you will need to speak with a lounge mod about your report

[Chriskoss]

IMO Claymore is a darn right hypocrite. He called me names and abused me to the highest extent, then went ahead and handed out infractions for a fight that he started by dissing on a guy because he was of Spanish descent.

[m3ntAL_l2]

its all about who has the power... not who has the window

[mojo the flashy monkey]

Simple fact in this case Jeff is talking through his hat. He is commenting about something he knows nothing about. Like I said if you want the TRUTH, not idle speculation, go back through the lounge threads and look at the dates of any posts deleted by me and it is clear as a bell that no going back in history was done to any member.


for 1 i don't have a hat so watch what you say there big man behind the computer. and ur assuming i don't know anything about this thus making a ass out of you and me.

choose your words wisely my friend no need to insult more people than you already have.

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

He's not talking about YOU Jeff (mojo)

He's talking about SiReal (Jeff)

*palm face*

[claymore]

for 1 i don't have a hat so watch what you say there big man behind the computer. and ur assuming i don't know anything about this thus making a ass out of you and me.

choose your words wisely my friend no need to insult more people than you already have.


Guess you missed his apology:cool:

[claymore]

IMO Claymore is a darn right hypocrite. He called me names and abused me to the highest extent, then went ahead and handed out infractions for a fight that he started by dissing on a guy because he was of Spanish descent.


What a laugh I wasn't even a mod back then so how could I hand out infractions.

[mojo the flashy monkey]

Guess you missed his apology:cool:


i guess you should use our screen names? seeing as i know i haven't made love to you like i have with lloyd..

[claymore]

What has gotten lost in the complaining is this fact: no one was instantly banned by me... I say it again no one banned by me was an instant ban for large infractions. They all ended up being banned due to accumulation of infractions..... let me say it again they already had infractions and continued the misdeeds knowing they were close to ban but continued anyway and what I gave them only pushed them over the limit. So you can say they committed seppuku banning by their own hand.

[INVSBL]

please speak english or don't speak at all.
i did not join an AUSTRALIAN FORUM to have to decipher another language.

[BI85LL]

please speak english or don't speak at all.
i did not join an AUSTRALIAN FORUM to have to decipher another language.

agreed and also AUSTRALIAN forums should be run by AUSTRALIANS

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

agreed and also AUSTRALIAN forums should be run by AUSTRALIANS

http://www.yumedojo.net/images/Palm%20to%20Face.jpg
http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10072/face-palm-hand-cream.jpg
http://www.icanhasmotivation.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/ichmfacepalm.jpg
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/8594/22820761zp1.png
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd131/TheGoIsWin/FacePalm.jpg

[claymore]

Gee guess you people have never heard of google....you know that unknown small company....that has a relatively unknown website where you can look up stuff you need to find out what it is.....that you can connect to anywhere in the world.... even OZ.... LOL

[ek4-guy]

i think they mean people who live here lloyd

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

i think they mean people who live here lloyd

Laurence (Panda) is now in Japan Darryl, that makes 2 living outside and Ben is all over the place atm.

/lets not get too offtopic, aye?

[ek4-guy]

Laurence (Panda) is now in Japan Darryl, that makes 2 living outside and Ben is all over the place atm.

/lets not get too offtopic, aye?

yes there is definatly some good points and examples in this thread for mods to discuss

[ek4-guy]

Gee guess you people have never heard of google....you know that unknown small company....that has a relatively unknown website where you can look up stuff you need to find out what it is.....that you can connect to anywhere in the world.... even OZ.... LOL

it must be killing you not to be your usual self

[kazam]

What has gotten lost in the complaining is this fact: no one was instantly banned by me... I say it again no one banned by me was an instant ban for large infractions. They all ended up being banned due to accumulation of infractions..... let me say it again they already had infractions and continued the misdeeds knowing they were close to ban but continued anyway and what I gave them only pushed them over the limit. So you can say they committed seppuku banning by their own hand.

dude, no1 cares about banning, its the point of infracting in the SPAM thread that is a new concept.. and its stupid. and INFRACTIONS should not be given in the spam thread and b4 u came along, they were infact never given.... EVER. u should not be a mod. u are a joke. and i can not belive wat ozhonda was thinking when they made u mod again, u are probably the most hated member on this forum, u dont have anything in commmon with anyone on ozhonda, your views and opinions on every single matter match nobody elses.... prior to becoming a moderator u argued with possible half the forum, and now that u have power to hand out infractions mean only your side of the story is seen, since u just delete and infract posts u dont belive in. u are possibly the worst candidate for moderating a public forum.



and wynode and the rest of the mods have lost the fricken plot leaving u in charge of anything.

[whtteg]

guys seriously this is just a forum and if you did receive an infraction sit back and think about what was said and if your post was reported to you and you didnt know the full situation what you would do.

where any of us lives is really beside the point as ozhonda is a community of honda enthusiasts

[kazam]

we dont care about the infractions given, its the fact that they were given INSIDE the spam thread... something never done before.

[BI85LL]

Ozhonda.com
A website and forum dedicated to Australian Honda enthusiasts.
www.ozhonda.com/ - 40k - Cached - Similar pages

^^^ Copied of google search
say no more

[INVSBL]

+1 to everything kazam has said!

[MRGRIM]

An Infraction in legal sense is a summary offence, or "petty" violation of the law less serious than a misdemeanor, and usually does not attach certain individual rights
such as a jury trial. It is sometimes called a minor offense, minor violation, petty offense, or frequently citation, and sometimes used as synonymous with violation, regulatory offense, welfare offense, or contravention.

Typically, an infraction is a violation of a rule or local ordinance or regulation

Some refer to an infraction as quasi-criminal, because conviction for an infraction is generally not associated with the loss of liberty,

[aaronng]

i reported claymore on what he said when he closed the "talk to a stranger" thread...deal with it accordingly please
What is there to deal with Claymore's closing post in that thread?

[ek4-guy]

guys seriously this is just a forum and if you did receive an infraction sit back and think about what was said and if your post was reported to you and you didnt know the full situation what you would do.

where any of us lives is really beside the point as ozhonda is a community of honda enthusiasts

Where someone lives or has lived comes into play when understanding our humour

Australians have a unique sense of humour

Someone can pick up on our humour even if they have never been here but they wont do it by belittling people on an internet forum

They would need to becomes friends with people and regularly chat with them as equals to pick up on it

[aaronng]

can i report claymore for his sig????
being from thailand and talking about explosions scares me.

And i also take offence to the comment on kicking but
No, please do not get silly on this.

[claymore]

I find Ozhonda to be a very cosmopolitan site with members from or living in USA, Canada, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Taiwan, China, Thailand and probably other countries that I have missed along with native Australians so what is the question there are members from all over the world.

[INVSBL]

i hav nothign agaisnt were u come from, wre u live ect.
this thread was not intended to bag u out, or put u down, was made to address the actions u hav take in hte spam thread, that is all.

[whtteg]

kazam you know me in the spam thread.. things have changed so we have to be a bit more polite by not having name calling well maybe its time be be a little nicer to eachother (yes i know we have all had our fun) but how about we all just try (and if we need to be a bit silly make sure its not to the extent of someone feeling the need of reporting the post)


Where someone lives or has lived comes into play when understanding our humour

Australians have a unique sense of humour

Someone can pick up on our humour even if they have never been here but they wont do it by belittling people on an internet forum

They would need to becomes friends with people and regularly chat with them as equals to pick up on it

its a tough call, aussies miss aussie humor too. sometiimes something innocent can be taken many ways

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

its a tough call, aussies miss aussie humor too. sometiimes something innocent can be taken many ways

So true.

Darryl, remember that one time at your place-

can be interprited in such ways...

[claymore]

Some members are like the driver that has been rolling through a stop sign at the end of his street for 10 years then one day a police officer stops him and gives him a ticket. He knows the rules are there he just decides to ignore them then when he is caught he complains about it because he has been doing it for years and no one has caught him so he thinks the rules do not apply to him.

What members did to receive their infractions has been beat to death if you got one man up and take your hit and drive on you can and have been spamming since you got it so why all the sniveling?

[joyride]

guys,

you have all made your point about the infractions that are being given to members.
the moderator team will discuss this matter internally and decide on a course of action.

there is no need repeat yourselves. we'll leave this thread open so we can let the members know what is decide what can/cant go on in the spam thread.

[INVSBL]

becuase wat u did was wrong by all ozhonda members. thats y its gotten to this point.

[claymore]

Nope only a vocal few.

[INVSBL]

lol, more would speak if they lived the same life as me, im a uni stud i spend a fair whack of time in front of the pc, hence y im so vocal.

[claymore]

The complainers would be advised to note the spam thread is rolling along just fine just without all the "problems" it had. Spam away follow the rules, which are not ambiguous, and listed for everyone to read, and there will be fun for all. A few infractions in a spam thread is not "the end of the world as we know it"

Get over it and drive on follow the rules and everyone will be happy.

[kazam]

jesus y is claymore mod... seriously y ozhonda WHY!?!?!?!?!?!

a vocal few have aired their opinions because this is a very recent mattter, THE REST OF US HAVE ALREADY BEEN BANNED, i gaurantee tony and wtness would be here if your infractions hadn't led2 their banning. you've only been mod for wat 5 days now? this thread has had a 110 replies in 24hours.... if u still dont c something wrong with your moderating then god help us all....

u cannot suddenly implement rules and not preach them, never have we received infractions in the spam thread, tell me why YOU suddenly felt the need 2 begin implementing this?

[Red_EG4]

The complainers would be advised to note the spam thread is rolling along just fine just without all the "problems" it had. Spam away follow the rules, which are not ambiguous, and listed for everyone to read, and there will be fun for all. A few infractions in a spam thread is not "the end of the world as we know it"

Get over it and drive on follow the rules and everyone will be happy.

It's completely different now. It will never be the same again.

[aaronng]

jesus y is claymore mod... seriously y ozhonda WHY!?!?!?!?!?!

a vocal few have aired their opinions because this is a very recent mattter, THE REST OF US HAVE ALREADY BEEN BANNED, i gaurantee tony and wtness would be here if your infractions hadn't led2 their banning. you've only been mod for wat 5 days now? this thread has had a 110 replies in 24hours.... if u still dont c something wrong with your moderating then god help us all....

u cannot suddenly implement rules and not preach them, never have we received infractions in the spam thread, tell me why YOU suddenly felt the need 2 begin implementing this?
I was the one who infracted Tony for tag abuse. Not Claymore.
And WTNESS called someone else a faggot and offended them. Hence the infraction.

The rules against personal attacks have been in place for a long time and you agreed to them in the terms and conditions when you signed up on Ozhonda. Here they are again: http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/legal.php

[SiReal]

Aaron, Claymore and I shared some pm's. Sure we cannot judge tone via the internet, but the general feel of the pm was one which lacked respect (even though I apologised and was polite), closed mindedness, condescending, arrogant and ignorant.

THIS is what I object to. No matter what HE says about yank or not, there is a CLEAR distinction in his cultural ability to handle confrontation the local way.

I don't care if he's a yank, but if all he can do is continually defend himself, without any humility, then his days are clearly numbered. If you're a mod on the most popular honda site in Australia, and no one likes you, then good luck.

This is coming from an ex-mod, myself with a years worth of lounge experience.

He is smart with his technical expertise, but poor with his PR.

It is quite clear that by claymore responding in such manner, and moderating in such manner, the 'community' aspect of Ozhonda is diminished. I have already PM'ed Wyn with my concerns.

I used to love Ozhonda passionately and the members, but now that some of you may even be defending him just for the sake of him being a mod, then I don't know what else to say.

But I still love you aaron personally :) and wyn and most of the others.

P.S. WHY are some of you mods on invisible??? YOU'RE A MOD, You're supposed to be fully accountable.
edit: P.P.S. Also, I don't care if you pm me WTF or whatnot again, because I'll just ignore you for being so damn rude and arrogant.

[trism]

good of sirrealforeal to voice his opinion.

As an ex mod his opinion should be held with high esteem.

While being a mod he constantly was inundated with jokes and being ripped on foreal, but never ever took it to heart, he knew it was all in teh name of fun.

you CANNOT have a member as vocally disliked as claymore as the moderator of section like the lounge. its the place where members go to chillax and not have to worry about constantly being checked upon for any sort of misdemeanor.

people know claymore is a hardarse, and has been known to abuse his moderator power, so why put him in charge?

[whtteg]

sireal im invisible as i am on 20hrs of the day but i am between this forum and my own website would you prefer i am visible but unavailable? i dont mind changing back to visible but please be prepared to have a wait.

[INVSBL]

ever thought of having a central pm box that all members can pm general quiries to, which all mods can see?

there in removing having to look for an active mod?

[trism]

^^this

[whtteg]

Im now visible i hope that helps

[ek4-guy]

I've already mentioned the visibility issue with claymore

even tried to explain why it would be a good idea if he was visible but he's arrogance didn't allow him to answer

I think it reminds him of he's days as cop now he is the undercover mod

[aaronng]

I used to love Ozhonda passionately and the members, but now that some of you may even be defending him just for the sake of him being a mod, then I don't know what else to say.

We are not defending him because he is a mod. I have checked the infractions that were complained about and they were justified. I am defending that the lounge requires more moderation than we have done before. I am aware that the spam thread is a haven for members to post anything, so I am having a set of moderating guidelines specially for the spam thread set up with feedback from all the moderators.

[claymore]

I'm surprised that you long time members didn't know all you have to do is look at the bottom of the forum page and looking in the "What's going on" section and right before your eyes is another subsection called "currently active users" right there is a list of who is on line and the mods are differentiated by the green colored names. So simple.

[trism]

see there you go claymore, being rude and obnoxious

[claymore]

What are you going on about what is rude about that post?

[mojo the flashy monkey]

i though that if you set your profile to invisible it no longer shows you at the bottom of the page?

[claymore]

Nope just go right now and look at my name. I wouldn't have directed members there if it wouldn't work.

[95civic]

Simple fact in this case Jeff is talking through his hat. He is commenting about something he knows nothing about.

Bit rude claymore...

How much shit am I going to get in for speaking my thoughts?? I think im pretty close to getting banned...

[claymore]

Nothing rude about the truth. I guess you missed the post where he said he was incorrect.

[INVSBL]

mate u talk like an up himself traffic cop that needs to be put in his place.
u dont own/run ozhonda, ur just a garbage organiser.

stop talking down to people like ur king dick, do u not understand ur not making it easier on urself as a moderator by talking like u run this place.

ur a mod so act like a dam mod, not like a spammer.

[claymore]

All I'm doing is answering questions. If someone has been a member for four years and didn't know about the list on the bottom of the page I'm just pointing it out for their edification they asked and I answered the question posted nothing more nothing less. I'm not asking or telling anyone to do anything.

You are the one trying to run the place over the spam thread of all things. You keep rambling on and on about nothing.

If members don't want answers then don't post the question. If you care to look at the questions without your bias you would see the answers are in the same tone as the questions. If the members want respect then ask the question in a respectful manner and they will be replied to in the same tone. Respect works BOTH ways.

[INVSBL]

no im not trying to run the place, im trying make the point that my infraction along with others given out was an over use of moderators powers, u took wat was a joke to heart in the spam thread and gave me a 6 point infraction. if u gav me a warning, i woulda shut up, dam i woulda apolagised to u, but because u went out and gave me wat u did, and u gave other members infractions, this whole fiasco has came arouund.

wat you obviously fail to see is that if u are so harsh in the spam thread, ur gonna be terminator elsewere. and in doing so u will turn OH into a 5 person forum, 4 mods and one user.

like i said, if u warned me (which u never did), i woulda apoligised and moved on.
but hey, ur the new mod around here, and obviously u wanna show ur authority by going overboard, hav fun being hated.

and this is coming from some1 who actually had alot of respect for u from all the posts/diy of urz i hav seen in the past.

[claymore]

Like I have said your going on and on over nothing. The infraction will expire and if you don't get anymore nothing is happening to you. You are free to post all your spam just like before you got it. You are like all the people in the posts talking about the tickets they got, pissed because it happened to them.

You knew what was going on in the spam post but you, not anybody else forcing you, but you yourself continued to push and see what the reaction would be when you pushed it to the limit. Now you are complaining about the results of what you did to yourself. Get over it and move on.

[kazam]

i never received any warning, it was infact my first post in the spam thread, where judging by your previous quarrels with a majority of the forum, i came in and said "how is claymore the psycho......" and u gave me a 6 point infraction for "personal attack" wat kind of a girl are u that gets offended and feels the need 2 defend themselves over someone calling u a psycho?

complaints will not stop until claymore is stripped of his modding duties. it is a joke. ozhonda is a joke. and no i will not leave the forum, it is a public forum and i will stay until i receive 20points, and if i recive 20, there are plenty of people 2 take my spot and continue the fight against the worst moderator on the forum.

[Q_ball]

Thanks for voicing your concern members.

Let us mods have a look at this within the mod forum.

We will reopen this thread to provide any updates on the matter.