popping gears/popping seconds and thirds

[danny_2132]

hey when you are racing does popping seconds and thirds make you loose power? would it be faster if your wheels dont spin when you change gears??

thanx

[V73C]

too vague, be more specific

[na-118]

you mean slamming gears? double clutching? or what?

[JasonGilholme]

every time your wheels spin its traction you've lost.

Floor it in the wet and watch your wheels spin all the way to 9000 rpm, then take a look out the window and you wont be moving at all lol.

[Limbo]

due to the hydrolic clutch you can't pull seconds no matter how fast you shift.
I was able to pull seconds in different cars but the b series hondas just don't do it.

a slight chrip doesn't loose power, wheel spinning will though

[vtesh]

if you say you've been able to pull seconds in different car, due to hyrdrolic clutch, what does the b series make any difference, something to do with the gearbox??
due to the hydrolic clutch you can't pull seconds no matter how fast you shift.
I was able to pull seconds in different cars but the b series hondas just don't do it.

a slight chrip doesn't loose power, wheel spinning will though

[Limbo]

the b series just seems to shift and pull away, no chirping, not sure if its the gearbox or the way the clutches are setup, but it doesn't seem to happen with b series cars, i've tried on a few & even spoken with other honda friends

[lil_foy]

the b series just seems to shift and pull away, no chirping, not sure if its the gearbox or the way the clutches are setup, but it doesn't seem to happen with b series cars, i've tried on a few & even spoken with other honda friends

Umm I can get more then a chirp from 1st-2nd and I have a vtir with (i/h/e) and im using 215's.

Hydro clutch has nothing to do with it, all that does is make it easier to push the clutch in compaired to a cable type from experience.

[Zilli]

Wow...

The answer to OP's questions is "it depends"....

If you are tlaking about a gutless little vtir / type r, the bit of spinning when you shift gears isnt going to make a huge difference in a straight line... it is aided if you have an LSD because both wheels are sharing the load, which results in a shorter span of time where you have loss of traction...

If you are on the track and pulling out of a corner, it makes more of a difference. This is where LSD is a benefit as it shares the load as mentioned before. Pulling out of a corner, particularly if wet, with an open diff will result in time lost with no traction, and potential understeer...

Now, if you are talking about a modified front wheel drive i.e. turbo, then yes you lose time but NOT power as per the OP's original question... cleaner shifts with no spinning in an ideal world will result in a faster acceleration... but when driving with any sort of anger, you will get some loss of tracktion between gears as the motor is (hopefully, if you do it right) still in powerband in the next gear... dont worry about it too much... just try and be smooth... if you are shiftiong at redline and get some spinning there isnt much you can do (unless you want to slip the clutch out but things happen too quickly to do this and it may just result in clutch slip, i'd rather have a bit of wheel spin to keep it in powerband)

Hope this helped

[trism]

you might lose traction, but "popping seconds" gets you epic respect on the street y0

[euromandeluxe]

hey, what do you mean by 'popping gears' - flatshifting/powershifting?

[antO]

popping gears gives out tractions, tractions is wheel spin and wheel spins makes you go slower but launches in a way. i fink

[Zilli]

now i see why Wynode has disabled registrations...

[euromandeluxe]

popping gears gives out tractions, tractions is wheel spin and wheel spins makes you go slower but launches in a way. i fink

lmao.

traction is when the tyre contact surface and the road have enough 'friction force' between them so that when rotational force is applied to the tyre, it doesn't slip. that way traction = tyres gripping = car moving and no wheelspin.

if you apply too much rotational force, the friction between the tyre and the road is insufficient so the tyre breaks traction and starts to spin on its own.

traction = good, wheelspin (mostly) = bad.

you it it the wrong away around lol

anyway back to my original q, are you guys just talking about powershifting when you say 'popping gears' (sounds ghetto), and the break in traction you get with it?

[Riviera]

"pop 'n' lock bro!"

lol @ popping gears

i chirp 1st 2nd and 3rd... with 2 others in the car...

popping gears as in -

front wheels bouncing
or
wheels flat + wheelspin...

[danny_2132]

yer when you slam from first to second or second to third and give it a little extra gas while your changing gears it churps...

i wanted to know if you loose power from this? would it be better not to churp/pop gears when racing?

thanx

[OMG.JAI xD]

yer when you slam from first to second or second to third and give it a little extra gas while your changing gears it churps...

i wanted to know if you loose power from this? would it be better not to churp/pop gears when racing?

thanx

My opinion.

On a stock engine or a stock-like engine.
Chirping wont lose any power.

The only reason b series chirp is cause of the high rpm.
The difference in gear ratio from 1st to 2nd cause the wheels to chirp as it tries to equal wheel speed with engine speed.
That chirp is just the gearbox trying to catch up to the engine rpm.

If you shift from 1st and 2nd with your foot off the accelerator, the car will just jolt. Or have the slightest chirp.

Even flat shifting doesnt keep spinning. It eventually catches.

On turboed cars. Flat shifting will keep spinning.
But shifting normally and chirping the wheels in 2nd wont lose power either.
Its after the chirp and if u cant control the throttle, basically the torque from the turbo will turn that chirp into a massive wheel spin.
B series boxes arent for turbos. Turboes usually use longer gears.
4.4fd gboxes + a turboed engine. = heaps of torque multiplication to an already torquey engine.


Really. If youre street dragging (as in going to the drags in a street car).
Is .2 of a second really going to matter?
Eliminate excessive wheel spin by upgrading tyres. Semi slicks or to full slicks.
But in return for reducing wheel slip or spin, youre putting more stress on the box.

Long story short.
Wheel chirping isnt wheel spinning.
You cant "Lose power". Power is either there or it isnt. The amount of power you have wont be greatly effected by wheel chirping.
Nigg4 pl3ase.

[VTECMACHINE]

popping gears gives out tractions, tractions is wheel spin and wheel spins makes you go slower but launches in a way. i fink

I have no idea what you just funk man.

[VTECMACHINE]

yer when you slam from first to second or second to third and give it a little extra gas while your changing gears it churps...

i wanted to know if you loose power from this? would it be better not to churp/pop gears when racing?

thanx

You will not loose power as such. But when you change gear, and wheel spin into that gear, you will not be gaining speed (Instead you will be loosing speed or staying at the same speed/velocity as you were the previous gear), and when the car gains traction again, you will be at a lower RPM. Therefore you would have dropped into a region with less power/torque.
So yes, it's faster to not chirp/wheel spin between gears.
I don't see the need to make noise when changing gears, to me... people that chirp and shit don't know how to drive.

However, just like camber, chicks also dig wheel spin.

[na-118]

traction doesnt you give wheel spin, when you dont have traction then you have wheel spin, or loose it or whatever, obviously when your wheel spins without traction the cars not gona move any faster, so it doesn't launch, and make you go faster, the only time it launches is when it has traction,