Need some Bass on sony speakers

[simonnowis]

I have an aftermarket sony headunit, 3-way sony speakers and 6x9, which came with the car when i bought it. there was also an amp and sub but i removed them.
my problem is, there is no bass or very little that its not noticable even when I put the bass up to max on the headunit. Iv searched and they all seem to lead to getting a sub and amp or spending hundreds which i would prefer not to.
Im not after sub quality bass just about the same as newer cars like the FD civic has. I wanna get some info/opinions/experiences before spending on anything.
In terms of budget the most cost effective the better.

Thanks

[CRXDEL501]

so you took the amp out, therefore your speakers are now not amped?

[simonnowis]

the amp and sub was originally connected using the stock oem honda cd player, I took the amp, sub, cables out and replaced the stock HU with an aftermarket sony.
I left the 3 way speakers and 6x9.
Im unsure exactly where the problem is as the bass is barely noticable, i just want the amount of bass the newer stock cars come with, as currently a friends late model barina has better bass.

[dc2dc2dc2]

just hook up a sub not that hard

[curtis265]

Maybe the speakers should be amp powered? maybe the HU is designed for the amp?

[simonnowis]

i took out the sub and amp cuz i didnt want to run it or need that much bass, plus i dont have a false floor in the boot so a sub is out of the question.
what I want to know is:
Is the sony 3way speakers and/or 6x9 the problem ?
OR
The headunit problem?
OR
will just running an amp give it some bass? from memory when i took out the sub and just left the amp powering the 6x9 there wasnt much bass either, so wrong amp problem?

[CRXDEL501]

speakers running off a head unit, wont sound as good as ones running off an amp.
they wont be producing as much power.
if you want some bass, i would amp the speakers.
dont put the sub in..
more than likely, its both the head unit and speakers.
for a really nice, clear sounding system, you need speakers amplified.

[CRXDEL501]

if you had the 6x9's amplified and they werent playing much bass, i would try tuning the amp.

[dc2dc2dc2]

were those speakers there from the start

[simonnowis]

Maybe the speakers should be amp powered? maybe the HU is designed for the amp?

The stock FD audio system is the level of quality im aiming for, they seem to sound great without an external amp. do you know the specs of the system?
hmm I was thinking the HU might be the problem but want to be sure before I waste money. dont have the model no. atm, it was the cheap mp3 one with aux jb-hifi was selling

[simonnowis]

speakers running off a head unit, wont sound as good as ones running off an amp.
they wont be producing as much power.
if you want some bass, i would amp the speakers.
dont put the sub in..
more than likely, its both the head unit and speakers.
for a really nice, clear sounding system, you need speakers amplified.

hmm yeh might have to hook up an amp, a 2 or 4 channel amp?
should I power all 4 speakers?

thanks for the help btw

[dc2dc2dc2]

no harm amp all 4

[CRXDEL501]

do all 4 man.
may as well if your doing it.

no prob mate! :thumbsup: :)

[NA15BS]

yah, amp all four speakers and have it tune properly, i think that will solve your problem, it may not be sounds like the new FD but atleast its closer. dont know what front speakers your using, i just hope not the stock one, ....

[arverson]

if your h.u has the option then try lowering the hpf for all 4. preferably have the 6x9's set at a lower hpf point than the fronts too. dont have it set too low for either tho or you'll run a risk if you like to play your music loud..

seems odd that youre aiming for the stock fd system mark.. more weird that you took out the sub&amp, saying you didnt feel the need for them but then ask how u can get more bass..

i rkn put em back in, you dont need a false floor, just a way of securing the subbox down. if you need the bootspace for baby pushers or groceries or whatnot then forget what i said.

[curtis265]

The stock FD audio system is the level of quality im aiming for, they seem to sound great without an external amp. do you know the specs of the system?
hmm I was thinking the HU might be the problem but want to be sure before I waste money. dont have the model no. atm, it was the cheap mp3 one with aux jb-hifi was selling

lol FD system isn't as great as u think - Decent i'd say..

now go get an amp as the other members say :P

[Typhoontimmy]

Get a speaker amp, only way of getting decent bass out of the Sony speakers I know because I have four of em lol. Easiest way is just to hook up a sub.

[simonnowis]

thanks for the advice guys, rep+!
my sound system at the moment is no where near the fd system, so something similar is what im after. without a false floor there isnt any room to put the sub, as its just the spare wheel and theres a strut bar which also gets in the way.

any particular amp anyone can recommend just to power speakers?

[CRXDEL501]

i got a jaycar amp.
i love my jaycar amps lol

[shoppingsecure]

Post up some pictures of your speaker locations, both from the front and from the back if possible.

If speakers are not in an enclosure they will not produce bass. I worked on a Civic recently which had a similar problem so I would really like to actually SEE what the setup is like.

[Typhoontimmy]

Another thing I noticed today, because of the way the EK is built you can hear the back speakers much more promenitally than the fronts. Fade the back ones a bit and see what that sounds like. Partly being 6x9s in the rear too.

Boxing them sounds like a great idea though.

[reedyek4]

make sure the phasing is right??

positive to positive and negative to negative?

this is one of the main reasons for bass loss...besides you should get a decent amount of bass from 6X9`s even if not amped!

another thing to consider is lining the chassis around the speaker with a sounddeadener aka dynamatt etc which will also increase low end enhancement