SQ Speakers or similar quality

[siir]

Hi ppl..

just wondering if anyone know what is the best setup for decent sound speaker for ek hatch.. even for oem speaker..

AIM: to achieve similar result as to luxury or top range car wif oem speaker..

i think the size is 5.5" front and 6.9" rear
(aftermarket: preferably with lower RMS/Watt as i prefer not to use amp)
** also not too deep - coz i got soundstream tarantula - it does not fit on my door... :(
and i dont want to modify anything - just want a bolt ons)

**
Reason for having NO Amp is i DONT play it Loud - hence no point having high end speaker..

ideally for similar/decent set up - nice clear/clean sound and reasonable bass & mid range
- will consider any OEM speakers that suit the description and that fits ek hatch

any info would be sweetz

cheers

[sKy.xD]

Really its amp or nothing. Even if you buy $2000 speakers, your not going to hear much noticeable difference from stock speakers when connecting to a HU.

If your after SQ, clarity and some nice bass you definitely won't get away without an amp.

How much were you also willing to spend? I can list speakers ranging from $10 from eBay to ones costing in the thousands :)

[shoppingsecure]

Hit the nail on the head.

No amp --> little improvement in clarity
No amp --> little to no improvement in bass

A pointless endeavor.

Really depends how picky you are IMHO.

[stormridah]

focal make some slim fit speakers

but they wont be a direct fit, you'll probably need to make spacers with any speaker you use.

But yeah amp will make a world of difference, just get a jaycar one.. they not too expensive

[siir]

Really its amp or nothing. Even if you buy $2000 speakers, your not going to hear much noticeable difference from stock speakers when connecting to a HU.

If your after SQ, clarity and some nice bass you definitely won't get away without an amp.

How much were you also willing to spend? I can list speakers ranging from $10 from eBay to ones costing in the thousands :)


100-300 per pair is the budget... but im not fussy nor picky..
just want a decent sound... even a stock speaker - some are nicely balance - decent bass, mid range..

* just not sure which car that has a good stock speakers..

any help would be sweetz thx

[Mr_will]

all these people saying you need an amp to run 6"....such bullshit.

for relatively low volume levels, no amp is absolutely fine.

i have an amp running my sub, and my front splits just coming from the headunit. it is fine.

[siir]

Hit the nail on the head.

No amp --> little improvement in clarity
No amp --> little to no improvement in bass

A pointless endeavor.

Really depends how picky you are IMHO.


* hint... I already have both soundtream tarantulla splits taken from my old car with my apline deck and alpine v12 amp... (doesnt fit coz its too long)

*also have some spl speakers - rockford speakers and rockford sub (but im sick of spl now)

rite now i just want a decent sound... such as in some luxury cars they have nice clear and good bass/mid range stock speakers.. (but not sure which ones would fit my car bolt ons)

hence, going for aftermarket speakers..

[siir]

all these people saying you need an amp to run 6"....such bullshit.

for relatively low volume levels, no amp is absolutely fine.

i have an amp running my sub, and my front splits just coming from the headunit. it is fine.

true that.. it depends on the power RMS and Watts... the bigger they are ; means you need amp to maximise the potential of the speaker..!

thx

[Mr_will]

true that.. it depends on the power RMS and Watts... the bigger they are ; means you need amp to maximise the potential of the speaker..!

thx

but you want quality, not volume.

so you dont need an amp!

[siir]

but you want quality, not volume.

so you dont need an amp!

yes thats rite..:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[D R U]

but you want quality, not volume.

so you dont need an amp!

Amps don't just provide volume.

The type of amp (i.e. class) plays a big roll in the quality of the sound coming from the speakers.

Two amps that are of the same power rating can sound completely different.


If you're just going to use a headunit, then buy speakers that are within the power values of the internal amp on the headunit, then you will be maximising the power that's available to you.
And that should sound decent.

[dc2dc2dc2]

dont amps bring out better quality out of shitty speakers.

like i've heard stock speakers no amp sound ok

once u amp them they sound bettter

[D R U]

dont amps bring out better quality out of shitty speakers.

like i've heard stock speakers no amp sound ok

once u amp them they sound bettter

Even if the speakers are crap, you're maximising the sound that they're capable of, if they're powered properly.

[arverson]

the budget doesnt really grant you any true SQ options im afraid.

id say given the budget, that you dont intend to use an amp, that you just want something that sounds somewhat on par with an oem system, plus the fact you dont really want to modify anything to bring out the potential of whichever speakers you pick, to just pop into your local specialist (or even jb) and see what they have on offer and audition to see/hear what you like.

invest in some SD - if youre willing with that 'bolt on'

having said that id reccomend the mb quart discus series splits at this pricepoint. nice clear highs, clean mid range with decent midbass kick for the price you pay. they were called dsf's but theyre called something else now. i think esf? someone correct me if im wrong. but yer, theres one option to go with.

[shoppingsecure]

An amp will free up the dynamic range of a speaker. Music has many peaks which require very short bursts of large currents. An amplifier with plenty of power on tap will allow the speakers to more accurately reproduce the music.

Amplifiers would also have a higher dampening than a head unit so will offer better control of the cone. This will create a more realistic sound.

Thats my view on it, feel free to prove me wrong :)

[arverson]

agree. but the op doesnt intend to use an amp so lets forget about suggesting one and make do with his compromises.

[siir]

If you're just going to use a headunit, then buy speakers that are within the power values of the internal amp on the headunit, then you will be maximising the power that's available to you.
And that should sound decent.[/QUOTE]


yes.. that is the aim.. :thumbsup:

now that we are on the same page... what would be the best brands/oem speakers that would fit bolt-ons and for reasonable bass and reasonable clear sound??

thx

[siir]

the budget doesnt really grant you any true SQ options im afraid.

id say given the budget, that you dont intend to use an amp, that you just want something that sounds somewhat on par with an oem system, plus the fact you dont really want to modify anything to bring out the potential of whichever speakers you pick, to just pop into your local specialist (or even jb) and see what they have on offer and audition to see/hear what you like.

invest in some SD - if youre willing with that 'bolt on'

having said that id reccomend the mb quart discus series splits at this pricepoint. nice clear highs, clean mid range with decent midbass kick for the price you pay. they were called dsf's but theyre called something else now. i think esf? someone correct me if im wrong. but yer, theres one option to go with.


thx.. will try looking for that :D
just that i work 6 days.. and my time is limited (so no enuf time) -therefore having you guys out there who has owned/experienced many speakers would potentially help me find a suitable one..

thx heaps!

[arverson]

no problem buddy :)

[sKy.xD]

Don't touch mb quart discus. They have been rebranded and now are made in china with shit quality parts and are nothing like there german counterpart. The old mb quart are now called "Maestro".

Even discus, you need an amp to power them. Discus are good speakers, but you definitely will need an amp to power then. Would be a complete waste knowing those speakers deserve some nice power.

Honestly I reckon you should just go to JB and look for entry level alpines or pioneers that have low rms.

[siir]

Honestly I reckon you should just go to JB and look for entry level alpines or pioneers that have low rms.[/QUOTE]

kk... thx..
back to basic.. go there and pick 1 lol..
cheers..

[Huggyb]

you might find you would be better off not replacing the stock speakers.

instead, give ur stock speakers the potential to give you what u want from them.

A small amount of sound deadening on the doors, and then (i know its been dismissed), but a small cheap amp (eg Jaycar etc) will give u wonderful results with stock speakers rather than underpowering some aftermarket speakers which will give u little gain unless ur current stock speakers are broken.

ultimately you will not end up any more out of pocket, but with a potentially better result.

just a thought.

[siir]

you might find you would be better off not replacing the stock speakers.

instead, give ur stock speakers the potential to give you what u want from them.

A small amount of sound deadening on the doors, and then (i know its been dismissed), but a small cheap amp (eg Jaycar etc) will give u wonderful results with stock speakers rather than underpowering some aftermarket speakers which will give u little gain unless ur current stock speakers are broken.

ultimately you will not end up any more out of pocket, but with a potentially better result.

just a thought.

thx for the thought... the ones i got.. is not stock.. got it off my mates..
unfortunately these cheap speaker has no bass wut so eva.. even when u put the bass max on the deck.. (hint.. speaker is cheap aftermarket and low rms) and its 2 ways - so no bass..

* even the stock oem speaker has more bass...

i guess... i dont even mind having a gud stock speaker from sum lux or top range car.. they tend to have gud speaker.. and some even better than el cheapo aftermarket ones as well..

[siir]

just wondering/curious..

what is the size for front and rear Euro Lux or Sport speaker..
would this bolt on to ek?

or even civic vti sport FD would that fit also??

cheers!

[simonnowis]

for better sound quality get 3 way speakers, I have them in mine and the mid bass and high are excellent quality. anything more than 3 way that have an extra tweeter is just pointless. I have the same problem though with not enough low bass since taking my sub out.
I discovered there is good bass sitting in the back seat by the 6x9 but the fronts give absolutely no bass at all. in addition the drone from my exhaust seems to drown out any low bass the music may produce. As people have suggested to me in my thread, im planning to buy a cheap amp which will give the speakers alittle more power.
p.s. have you still got ur stock EK speakers? if so, test it out to compare the bass to the aftermarket on the current setup and let me know how it goes.

[4thGenExi]

2 way speakers can sound just as good if not better than a 3 way setup, however in this dude's price point it won't make a huge amount of difference.

If your budget is only $300, I probably wouldn't bother amping them as the benefits won't be enormous. They're low budget speakers. Buy a brand name pair of coaxials (as they will be far better quality than a pair of splits for the same money and easier to drive off just a headunit). You should only really buy splits if you have at least $600 to spend + a good amp driving them.

[siir]

for better sound quality get 3 way speakers, I have them in mine and the mid bass and high are excellent quality. anything more than 3 way that have an extra tweeter is just pointless. I have the same problem though with not enough low bass since taking my sub out.
I discovered there is good bass sitting in the back seat by the 6x9 but the fronts give absolutely no bass at all. in addition the drone from my exhaust seems to drown out any low bass the music may produce. As people have suggested to me in my thread, im planning to buy a cheap amp which will give the speakers alittle more power.
p.s. have you still got ur stock EK speakers? if so, test it out to compare the bass to the aftermarket on the current setup and let me know how it goes.

i got no stock speakers.. just sum random speakers..for now..
* atm i've just swaped my rear 6.9 wif pioneer 5ways.. was sitting in the garage..

[dj_s2k]

i got no stock speakers.. just sum random speakers..for now..
* atm i've just swaped my rear 6.9 wif pioneer 5ways.. was sitting in the garage..

just remember that the differences with 2-way, 3-way and 4-way is that the 3 way has an extra tweeter (in the case of 6") theoretically meaning that you should get more treble and cleaner high notes.

Also about the bass. I used to have an EK civic and i decked it out with all JL gear. Initially i got just front splits and 6x9's for the rear. Then i sound deadened my boot and also the area straight under the 6x9's (which is a mighty big gap) so that the bass will "swell" and sound warmer opposed to just flying around the whole bloody cabin of the car. No bass. Wasn't enough. And then i read and got peoples opinions. 6x9's won't produce bass. They produce mid-bass. So in the end I high-passed my 6x9's and got myself a 10" w6v2 sub and my system complete. Where am i going with this story? I wouldn't bother with 6x9's for bass. If you want true bass then get yourself a sub.

But having said that i'm looking at what you've been saying and how you only want to do a bolt on. Is this due to budget contraints ? If it is, IMHO hold off and save up. Do it right the first time round and don't go rushing into things when you'll regret it later down the track when you realise that it doesnt perform as well as you would like it too.

Also another note. You've gotta remember that the EK civics are anywhere between 8-12 years old. You won't get the same SQ out of that car by only spending $300 with "bolt-ons" or even close to "OEM standard" new car systems. I can say this because in my old EK i spnt over $3000 on my sound system and I was very happy with it. Only thing it lacked was the warmth coming out of the front splits which needed more sound deadening. I wasn't going to fork out more money seeing as i was due for an upgrade in car. I've recently purchased a brand new CU2 Euro and i can tell you that the sound may not be as clean but it is definately a lot warmer than my old EK setup.

Honestly mate I think somethings gotta give. you can't have everything in this world. If you want a nice sounding system i say save up the $$$ and do it right. Else, if u only want to spend $300 you can only go so far. And IMHO i'd rather not spend that $300 on bolt-ons cause chances are it won't be far off from what you have ATM.

Finally with speaker selection. We can only offer you suggestions on brands and what WE think is good to US. You need to go out and listen to the speakers yourself and choose what sounds right to you. Make sure that when you do liten to the speakers that they're running "similar" gear to whats going to be running in the car. I used to work at JB as a caraudio salesperson and I can tell you straight off the bat that the co-axial speakers aren't hooked up so you won't be able to listen to em. We used to only hookup the splits.

Just my 2 cents :D

dj_s2k

[siir]

just remember that the differences with 2-way, 3-way and 4-way is that the 3 way has an extra tweeter (in the case of 6") theoretically meaning that you should get more treble and cleaner high notes.

Also about the bass. I used to have an EK civic and i decked it out with all JL gear. Initially i got just front splits and 6x9's for the rear. Then i sound deadened my boot and also the area straight under the 6x9's (which is a mighty big gap) so that the bass will "swell" and sound warmer opposed to just flying around the whole bloody cabin of the car. No bass. Wasn't enough. And then i read and got peoples opinions. 6x9's won't produce bass. They produce mid-bass. So in the end I high-passed my 6x9's and got myself a 10" w6v2 sub and my system complete. Where am i going with this story? I wouldn't bother with 6x9's for bass. If you want true bass then get yourself a sub.

But having said that i'm looking at what you've been saying and how you only want to do a bolt on. Is this due to budget contraints ? If it is, IMHO hold off and save up. Do it right the first time round and don't go rushing into things when you'll regret it later down the track when you realise that it doesnt perform as well as you would like it too.

Also another note. You've gotta remember that the EK civics are anywhere between 8-12 years old. You won't get the same SQ out of that car by only spending $300 with "bolt-ons" or even close to "OEM standard" new car systems. I can say this because in my old EK i spnt over $3000 on my sound system and I was very happy with it. Only thing it lacked was the warmth coming out of the front splits which needed more sound deadening. I wasn't going to fork out more money seeing as i was due for an upgrade in car. I've recently purchased a brand new CU2 Euro and i can tell you that the sound may not be as clean but it is definately a lot warmer than my old EK setup.

Honestly mate I think somethings gotta give. you can't have everything in this world. If you want a nice sounding system i say save up the $$$ and do it right. Else, if u only want to spend $300 you can only go so far. And IMHO i'd rather not spend that $300 on bolt-ons cause chances are it won't be far off from what you have ATM.

Finally with speaker selection. We can only offer you suggestions on brands and what WE think is good to US. You need to go out and listen to the speakers yourself and choose what sounds right to you. Make sure that when you do liten to the speakers that they're running "similar" gear to whats going to be running in the car. I used to work at JB as a caraudio salesperson and I can tell you straight off the bat that the co-axial speakers aren't hooked up so you won't be able to listen to em. We used to only hookup the splits.

Just my 2 cents :D

dj_s2k

thx for the advise..bro :thumbsup: