B16A all motor!!!

[KLR-16A]

Hey people, does any1 noe wat roughly power outputs il be producing with the following mods done to my ek4 b16a2:

HKS 4-1 headers with a de-cat pipe and 60mm catback
ITR IM and TB
Injin cold air intake
Toda spec c's
Hondata s300

[ZeForce]

100kw

[ef-civic]

my old car. b16a itr im and tb, whale penis intake, shitty headers 2 1/2 inch exhaust un-tuned. 104kw atw. now new owner has put new headers on 4 - 1 and tuning soon. so will let u know how he goes

[CRXer]

if u go to enough dyno days,u'll make 90kw,100kw,110kw,120kw & if the dyno calibrater is really lazy u could even make 150kw,theres even a magic dyno in melb where u can get 200kw graph
take your pick which one u like best & put it in your sig

[RtN]

my old car. b16a itr im and tb, whale penis intake, shitty headers 2 1/2 inch exhaust un-tuned. 104kw atw. now new owner has put new headers on 4 - 1 and tuning soon. so will let u know how he goes

interested in this too thanks

[Limbo]

de-cating cost $10,000 per pull over ;)

[JDM.Power]

to back up your dyno numbers, is to race it down the 1/4mile

all dyno's are different, and talking about dyno's, theres a dyno day down at rigolli, go down and check it out. i think a few honda boys are going.

[barefootbonzai]

if u go to enough dyno days,u'll make 90kw,100kw,110kw,120kw & if the dyno calibrater is really lazy u could even make 150kw,theres even a magic dyno in melb where u can get 200kw graph
take your pick which one u like best & put it in your sig

answer right here.

[Benson]

B16a is all revs no go

Been there done that

[dc2dc2dc2]

hands down best quote eva

[90LAN]

B16a is all revs no go

Been there done that

true but still enough revs to beat vl calais with nissan motors

120-130kw

[hisoka]

to back up your dyno numbers, is to race it down the 1/4mile

all dyno's are different, and talking about dyno's, theres a dyno day down at rigolli, go down and check it out. i think a few honda boys are going.

just wonderin, bit offtopic. but is this tony rigolli performance ?

[dc2dc2dc2]

true but still enough revs to beat vl calais with nissan motors

120-130kw

ahahaha

keep dreamin' that a b16a would beat a vl calais.

dreaming son.

[90LAN]

ahahaha

keep dreamin' that a b16a would beat a vl calais.

dreaming son.

well in your wet dreams son
ive done it before

[ZeForce]

well in your wet dreams son
ive done it before

Non turbo versions do like 16-17 sec 1/4 mile, thats not really anything to brag about

[i-jrdm]

ahahaha

keep dreamin' that a b16a would beat a vl calais.

dreaming son.


haha same, been there and done that
and 16sec defferntly aint somethin to brag about

[delsol9000rpms]

with that work and a good exhaust system you should get around 115-120kw atw depending on dyno.

[BlitZ]

the b16a wont have enough compression/volume to turn the toda c's.... more likily 100kw..

better with either spec b.. or upgrading your bottom end to 1.8/2.0..

Especially if you honda is >1000kg... the b16a doesnt shine...
No replacement For displacement..

[delsol9000rpms]

been there done that. i've got a similar set up in my car and made 118kw atw and backed it up with 13.9 and car weighted 1050kg without driver.

[saikou27]

depending on how well its tuned you will make something around 110kw-120kw atw
blitz is right though to make proper use of those spec c cams you might wanna consider some more compression

[damo46]

been there done that. i've got a similar set up in my car and made 118kw atw and backed it up with 13.9 and car weighted 1050kg without driver.


Thats exactly right... stock b16a with i/h/e and spec c's, in a heavy delsol 13.9...
if charbel can make 118 im sure youll make around the same if not more with a good tune

[Slaz]

Just put the results up when its done, you have the parts your going to run so why have 4000 opinions on what it might make or do, will it make you feel better about the combo your running? :rolleyes:

[Benson]

been there done that. i've got a similar set up in my car and made 118kw atw and backed it up with 13.9 and car weighted 1050kg without driver.

Fairly light Delsol

Our EG weigh around 1030kg with the cage last year with the b16a when it ran 13.9 as well. Mine you it ran only ITR cams

Drivetrain also has some importance as well, which i think you have upgraded

To the OP, you might want to do FD and LSD

[delsol9000rpms]

Fairly light Delsol

Our EG weigh around 1030kg with the cage last year with the b16a when it ran 13.9 as well. Mine you it ran only ITR cams

Drivetrain also has some importance as well, which i think you have upgraded

To the OP, you might want to do FD and LSD



UMM light delsol? Anyone can get there delsol the same weight if not lighter!!!

I left one seat.. door trims still on...no trims in the back.. nothing inside the boot... Nothing major.. If any delsol owner has troubles getting to that weight then i will gladly do it for them...


Your Eg most certainly didnt weigh 1030kg.. No one is stupid... I weighs sub-930kg now without the cage and your cage is no where near 100kg....

A stock eg si with a b18c7 FULL interior weighed 988kg... So tell me how your eg put on weight?


As for your b16a Eg civic.. please dont even compare there two different chassis... i have videos of your eg with the 123kw b16a on e85 with itr manifold and 70mm TB and 4.9 final drive.. buddyclub spec 3 cams etc run 14.2-14.3 @95-96mph.... ??? whats the go there how come that is so slow?

How is my FD etc relevant to power figures...?

Stay on topic Benson... You always seem to drift off and refer to my car in some way shape or form... If you or anyone else has something to say about me, my car, or my setup.. Feel free to PM me and not be a little Keyboard bitch


Here is my setup. the power figures are there... No where near 100kw's LMAO
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2182038&postcount=297

[90LAN]

actually a stock eg with full interior and electrics weighs about 1080kg
give and take if it hasnt got ps ac 40 kgs

[Benson]

actually a stock eg with full interior and electrics weighs about 1080kg
give and take if it hasnt got ps ac 40 kgs

Everyone think EGs are light. They are only light if you stripped it out hardcore. Our current weight is around 960-980kg (depedning on fuel level) without cage

Like i said, we have muck around heaps with the B16a last year, so there was heaps of different set-ups on the car. Regardless, i have nothing to prove but gave the OP a good comparison of a different set-up

[90LAN]

its only light if you have a breeze and strip that lol

[CRXer]

been there done that. i've got a similar set up in my car and made 118kw atw and backed it up with 13.9 and car weighted 1050kg without driver.
how do u back up a dyno figure with an ET?

MPH?,tyres?,g/box ratios?

[delsol9000rpms]

how do u back up a dyno figure with an ET?

MPH?,tyres?,g/box ratios?

meaning the dyno figure wasnt a bullshit one.

[CRXer]

meaning the dyno figure wasnt a bullshit one.
but the dyno figure & ET have no relation whatsoever.

i'll ask again,

MPH?,tyres?,g/box ratios?

[delsol9000rpms]

98mph, semi slicks b16a gear box with 4.9 final drive.

[fatboyz39]

HKS 4-1 headers with a de-cat pipe and 60mm catback
ITR IM and TB
Injin cold air intake
Toda spec c's
Hondata s300

Lucky to hit 100kw. But if you strap the car on one roller mayb 120kw.

Why not pay the $50 or so for a power run and so then we can stop guessing the power it puts out?:confused:

[fatboyz39]

Especially if you honda is >1000kg... the b16a doesnt shine...
No replacement For displacement..



As above ^^^^

[CRXer]

98mph, semi slicks b16a gear box with 4.9 final drive.
oh,i thought i remember drag radials not semi slicks???
must be different car i think of......

yeh,98 MPH with that setup really does backup the dyno graph,all HP,no torque,all the torque is coming out the gearbox not the B16,i'd be swapping the bottom end on that thing asap.

[delsol9000rpms]

oh,i thought i remember drag radials not semi slicks???
must be different car i think of......

yeh,98 MPH with that setup really does backup the dyno graph,all HP,no torque,all the torque is coming out the gearbox not the B16,i'd be swapping the bottom end on that thing asap.

I bet my life on it that my b16a makes more torque than your b18c :D


First time to the drags on that setup aswell...? Still room for improvement

I wish i could take each of you guys for a drive individually. I bet that would make you change your mind...It's nothing special... but certainly not 100kw and not all revs and no go...

[delsol9000rpms]

Lucky to hit 100kw. On the Insight motorsports dyno around 150kw


Corrected

[fatboyz39]

Corrected


Yeah please head to insight motorsport and do a power run there. More buisness for them. :thumbsup:

[CRXer]

I bet my life on it that my b16a makes more torque than your b18c :D



dude,ur not listening,& u give your life away so easily

all the torque is coming out your gearbox,not the motor,a little torque peak at the end from some oversized cams aint gonna help ya either.

im pulling 100MPH regularly,with stock motor,stock 4.4 fd,stock tall 2nd & 3rd,17" rims with rubber bands attached,all at only 50kg less than u. Torque peaks mean little,u need a good balance of torque & HP,at least u got the g/box to make up for it a little,but it wont help ya on the street.

strap a few more cc's to your head & g/box & u'll be laughing all the way to the time sheet.:thumbsup:

[Benson]

dude,ur not listening,& u give your life away so easily

all the torque is coming out your gearbox,not the motor,a little torque peak at the end from some oversized cams aint gonna help ya either.

im pulling 100MPH regularly,with stock motor,stock 4.4 fd,stock tall 2nd & 3rd,17" rims with rubber bands attached,all at only 50kg less than u. Torque peaks mean little,u need a good balance of torque & HP,at least u got the g/box to make up for it a little,but it wont help ya on the street.

strap a few more cc's to your head & g/box & u'll be laughing all the way to the time sheet.:thumbsup:

Very well sumed up ! :thumbsup: At least someone on the forum is thinking for once

CRxer, wack in a ITR Box or a 4.9 FD and LSD and you'll pull crazy torque! CRX chasis aint that light as well, your one should be a tad over the 1000kg mark

I guess it just ozhonda at the end of the day, dyno number is their wanking rights and how big of a cams they can run :cool:

[delsol9000rpms]

If you dont believe my actual motor makes half decent torque then there isprobably nothing i could say to convince you... Before the final drive before anything... It had more torque than a b18c... quite a bit more too... The torque curve rises and holds off until very high in the rpms range.. Its kind of flat..


dude,ur not listening,& u give your life away so easily

all the torque is coming out your gearbox,not the motor,a little torque peak at the end from some oversized cams aint gonna help ya either.

im pulling 100MPH regularly,with stock motor,stock 4.4 fd,stock tall 2nd & 3rd,17" rims with rubber bands attached,all at only 50kg less than u. Torque peaks mean little,u need a good balance of torque & HP,at least u got the g/box to make up for it a little,but it wont help ya on the street.

strap a few more cc's to your head & g/box & u'll be laughing all the way to the time sheet.:thumbsup:


Your mph means nothing because as you said everything makes your gearing top end.... If my Del sol was another 50 kg lighter it would have hit 100mph.. Thats that.. stay on topic..

Basically if you have toda spec c cams and your making 100kw atw.. Please seek proffesional advice.

[ZeForce]

If you dont believe my actual motor makes half decent torque then there isprobably nothing i could say to convince you... Before the final drive before anything... It had more torque than a b18c... quite a bit more too... The torque curve rises and holds off until very high in the rpms range.. Its kind of flat..

Have you ever driven a B18c? or a B20VTEC? or a H22a?

[CRXer]

CRxer, wack in a ITR Box or a 4.9 FD and LSD and you'll pull crazy torque! CRX chasis aint that light as well, your one should be a tad over the 1000kg mark


i wish benny & your right the EDCRX aint as light as everyone thinks either,anywhere between 990 & 1100kg depending how much ciggie ash in the carpet




Your mph means nothing because as you said everything makes your gearing top end.... If my Del sol was another 50 kg lighter it would have hit 100mph.. Thats that.. stay on topic..



i dont know exactly what u mean by "makes your gearing top end",but i thnk your a little confused.
give me 50 kg to throw in the car, a 4.9fd shorter ratio(on all forward gears,except 1st)g/box,some drag radials & we'll prob see more MPH on a bogstock B18C even still.

[delsol9000rpms]

Have you ever driven a B18c? or a B20VTEC? or a H22a?

Actually i drive a eg with b18c7 119kw atw very very frequently..I/H/E+tune.. Ive driven heaps of other hondas with different setups etc..

[delsol9000rpms]

i dont know exactly what u mean by "makes your gearing top end",but i thnk your a little confused.
I mean that they will lower your acceleration attributes but increase your top speed attributes...

give me 50 kg to throw in the car, a 4.9fd shorter ratio(on all forward gears,except 1st)g/box,some drag radials & we'll prob see more MPH on a bogstock B18C even still.
Drag radials will bring your mph down... 50kg will also bring your mph down..


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[CRXer]

...............

it only increases your top speed limit,thats if your car can even get there & says nothing of how long it took u to get to said top speed.
MPH at the strip is all about how hard & how quickly your car will accelerate to said MPH,so the most tractive effort u can apply to the road for the longest amount of time.
shorter gears & fd's will multiply the torque from the motor & make better use of whatever amount of "powerband" u have,not just some peak torque figure,but how long u can apply the most torque & preferably with more rpm to increase overall power output.
your gearbox is multiplying whatever torque u have & keeping u in that peaky little bit of b16 power u have on top of the big cams.

drag radials compared to concrete like 205/40/17's,will have u accelerating for a longer amount of time,therefore more MPH can be built in the short space u have over 400m,whatever MPH loss u lose at the topend of the track from your drag radials dragging on the road,will definitely be offset by your ability to get going accelerating sooner in comparison.
remember this is comparison to street 205/40/17's,not a generalised statement on drag radial effects

[Riviera]

remember how this threads about B16A's not B20, B18, or K20...


original question



Hey people, does any1 noe wat roughly power outputs il be producing with the following mods done to my ek4 b16a2:

HKS 4-1 headers with a de-cat pipe and 60mm catback
ITR IM and TB
Injin cold air intake
Toda spec c's
Hondata s300



not.

does anyone know the power output of a B18C with

HKS 4-1 headers with a de-cat pipe and 60mm catback
ITR IM and TB
Injin cold air intake
Toda spec c's
Hondata s300


answer the question and move on... the op can make the decision whether
to forget about it and go another setup...

[fatboyz39]

Lucky to hit 100kw. But if you strap the car on one roller mayb 120kw.

Why not pay the $50 or so for a power run and so then we can stop guessing the power it puts out?:confused:



does anyone know the power output of a B18C with

HKS 4-1 headers with a de-cat pipe and 60mm catback
ITR IM and TB
Injin cold air intake
Toda spec c's
Hondata s300



Answre right there. But peak power means shit. I guess it'll drive like shit until you hit NOS (oppz vtec i mean).:thumbsup:

[Riviera]

sweet as lol NTEC

[CRXer]

remember how this threads about B16A's not B20, B18, or K20...


original question






not.

does anyone know the power output of a B18C with

HKS 4-1 headers with a de-cat pipe and 60mm catback
ITR IM and TB
Injin cold air intake
Toda spec c's
Hondata s300




answer the question and move on... the op can make the decision whether
to forget about it and go another setup...

dude,lost your glasses or something?

the topic up to before your post was generally leaning in the direction of the pro's/cons of B16A all motor,delsol9000 being the b16a all motor advocate,try reading it again,maybe u need a few attempts at most things.......

[delsol9000rpms]

mate i think youve lost your glasses. the original question was how would that set up run and how much power it woud make. ive got a similar set up so i gave him some figures. i talk from experience not from what other people tell me.

[jdm18c]

LMAO, this thread is so funny!

[CRXer]

mate i think youve lost your glasses. the original question was how would that set up run and how much power it woud make. ive got a similar set up so i gave him some figures. i talk from experience not from what other people tell me.

then u went & backed up your power figures with an ET???

& went further to getting a little confused over b16A all motor benefits

[ZeForce]

mate i think youve lost your glasses. the original question was how would that set up run and how much power it woud make. ive got a similar set up so i gave him some figures. i talk from experience not from what other people tell me.

Sounds like you were giving the OP false hopes IMHO

[delsol9000rpms]

well sounds like all you haters are wankers.

[CRXer]

well sounds like all you haters are wankers.
dude.....discuss........dont hate......no need......

[delsol9000rpms]

well i have nothing to prove, ive said what i need to say, if the OP wants to listen then good luck to him. thats who my answer was directed at not everybody else who thinks their engine builders and dont know shit from their arse.

[Riviera]

dude,lost your glasses or something?

the topic up to before your post was generally leaning in the direction of the pro's/cons of B16A all motor,delsol9000 being the b16a all motor advocate,try reading it again,maybe u need a few attempts at most things.......


yea sweet as bro dont wear glasses aye...

just stop carrying on like old ladies im not really seeing any useful information

[Benson]

B16a > B20 VTEC anyday for me! :p I like to be slow

[delsol9000rpms]

I actually spoke the the OP a while ago.. I actually told him to do a b20vtec for best bang for buck...

But that is not what this thread is about..

[CRXer]

yea sweet as bro dont wear glasses aye...

just stop carrying on like old ladies im not really seeing any useful information
did i miss your useful addition somewhere?

[Riviera]

did i miss your useful addition somewhere?

i got some black hair dye that might be useful???
you seem a lil stressed, $5 bro, its garnier good sh!t







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[saikou27]

i think the OP has given up on his thread from all this crap. so if hes still here the point is, spec c cams are not the best idea for a motor that is still stock everywhere else. spec b would be a better option

[GSi_PSi]

hey bro its sam from tafe. how bout you hand over em toda spec c's over this way b20vtec power haha

[CRXer]

i got some black hair dye that might be useful???
you seem a lil stressed, $5 bro, its garnier good sh!t







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OPEN

that could actually be useful........
i got all this brown stain on my pubes from your gf's arse.......

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[damo46]

hahahaha omg all these debates lmaaooo....sam hows the b20 goin??

[joyride]

lets keep it on topic. i have no quams with some of you guys debating, but lets not let it get out of hand and abuse each other please.

KLR-16A, can you be more specific with your original question? what are you after exactly? just a figure of how many kw/hp your engine can make or is there an underlying question?

[STiR]

its only light if you have a breeze and strip that lol

True that, my EG with full comprehensive cage AND air conditioning and power steering weighs 980kg

[Riviera]

OPEN

that could actually be useful........
i got all this brown stain on my pubes from your gf's arse.......

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OPEN


lol what a dry come back, did you think of that all by urself or did u get ur parents
to help you, cause ive got ur mum here and she told me everything


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now... where were we...

oh yea and im over it

love you

[GSi_PSi]

damo46 : b20's goin alrite lol. just gotta wait to gather sum money to drop the cnt in and find a proper dizzy, ive got an obd2 one but i should have that sorted soon enuf.

[Waggy]

Save yourself the time, money, trouble and heartache. Coming from a guy that tried a built B16A - would I do it again? No.

Buy a used $2k-3k turbo kit, bolt it onto the stock engine and you'll beat a few stock turbo cars. Fun > wank factor.

[Limbo]

hmmm turbo


Save yourself the time, money, trouble and heartache. Coming from a guy that tried a built B16A - would I do it again? No.

Buy a used $2k-3k turbo kit, bolt it onto the stock engine and you'll beat a few stock turbo cars. Fun > wank factor.

[RtN]

isn't it pretty cheap and easy to slap a b18 bottom end on? So might as well do so while the engine is getting built.

[Benson]

Save yourself the time, money, trouble and heartache. Coming from a guy that tried a built B16A - would I do it again? No.

Buy a used $2k-3k turbo kit, bolt it onto the stock engine and you'll beat a few stock turbo cars. Fun > wank factor.

Why not spend 10k on a b16a that can rev to 10000rpm. Isnt the wank factor justify the money spent? :p

[delsol9000rpms]

end of the day.. anyone who buys a honda for torque is a complete idiot..

if you want loads of torque go and buy ss commodore

[eg5civic]

well i'm hoping my b16b decides to free up a bit of mid range/ more top end when i put a full exhaust on it..

cause atm its not as great as i would of thought but i'm running stock eg si catback i guess

just feels sluggish till 4500 and no real power on vtec until 7000

[STiR]

I can't imagine your exhaust doing any good for you!

[eg5civic]

yeah neither can i, so i'm hoping for a big gain when i get it all on :P

[nigs]

Save yourself the time, money, trouble and heartache. Coming from a guy that tried a built B16A - would I do it again? No.

Buy a used $2k-3k turbo kit, bolt it onto the stock engine and you'll beat a few stock turbo cars. Fun > wank factor.

I've seen and heard your car IRL.
Come on.....you can't say that idle and the noise it makes as your rev that bitch out aint FARKING GANSTA!

A+ for coolness. Made me miss my old SR.
Was it worth the money? Probably not but shit was awesome.
One tough B16 :thumbsup:

[Benson]

if you want loads of torque go and buy ss commodore

Thats funny :p

[Benson]

yeah neither can i, so i'm hoping for a big gain when i get it all on :P

A typical N/A talk right here... you wont gain 30kw from just changing exhaust. More like 2-5kws

[eg5civic]

A typical N/A talk right here... you wont gain 30kw from just changing exhaust. More like 2-5kws

i'm not expecting a 30kw gain in peak power mate,

if you looked and read what i said instead of blurting stuff out you'd understand the situation

I'm running stock EG SI catback on a B16B
which, quite obviosuly is smaller than stock ek9 catback size which would be seriously restricting the motors performance which is why it would feel sluggish

so no i'm not asking for peak power i'm merely saying when i change to aftermarket cat headers and catback i should see a big change in the way the motor performs

[Benson]

i'm not expecting a 30kw gain in peak power mate,

if you looked and read what i said instead of blurting stuff out you'd understand the situation

I'm running stock EG SI catback on a B16B
which, quite obviosuly is smaller than stock ek9 catback size which would be seriously restricting the motors performance which is why it would feel sluggish

so no i'm not asking for peak power i'm merely saying when i change to aftermarket cat headers and catback i should see a big change in the way the motor performs

You said "big gains." I gues my udnerstand of big is different to yours, no hard feelings

[DR HONDA]

this thread is a waist of time. the topic was b16a now its an online war again :thumbdwn:

[saikou27]

this thread is a waist of time. the topic was b16a now its an online war again :thumbdwn:

i think u mean to say 'waste' of time lol. but yes this thread was over on the 2nd page. CLOSE THREAD

[Limbo]

war of the internet mechanics(or wannabe mechanics) LOL

[Waggy]

I've seen and heard your car IRL.
Come on.....you can't say that idle and the noise it makes as your rev that bitch out aint FARKING GANSTA!

A+ for coolness. Made me miss my old SR.
Was it worth the money? Probably not but shit was awesome.
One tough B16 :thumbsup:

It is what it is mate. And for what it's worth, thanks, I poured a lot into the EM1 and yeah, it's a tough car - and yes it does sound fantastic.

I guess experience in key though, I've done a worked B16A, had too much trouble getting the thing running properly with broken tuning deals and money down the drain. Like I said... I wouldn't do it again.

I find it a bit amusing to see the new guys come into the Honda scene, some just have a bit of a tinker around, other come in thinking their worked B16A is the be all and end all of power. Not amusing in a bad way, just amusing in a way that, well... that was me once. Now I know better - and I learnt the hard way, which is why I have such a strong opinion.

As far as this thread is concerned though, I think OP should just do a few simple mods, get it tuned and just have fun. Don't be too concerned about power figures or what you can or can't beat. :)

[DR HONDA]

i think u mean to say 'waste' of time lol. but yes this thread was over on the 2nd page. CLOSE THREAD

oops excuse my ethnic spelling ;)

[damo46]

i'm not expecting a 30kw gain in peak power mate,

if you looked and read what i said instead of blurting stuff out you'd understand the situation

I'm running stock EG SI catback on a B16B
which, quite obviosuly is smaller than stock ek9 catback size which would be seriously restricting the motors performance which is why it would feel sluggish

so no i'm not asking for peak power i'm merely saying when i change to aftermarket cat headers and catback i should see a big change in the way the motor performs


man i had a mate with that same situation, once you put good headers, cat, and exhaust it will be a big difference to the restricting 1 inch exhaust you got now...

[wynode]

Thread going nowhere. CLOSED.