Turbo B16a - work involved?

[reedyek4]

Have been looking at some turbo kits on the Market...Will be looking at going dogs bollocks aka HKS..the kit is pictured below..will i need to upgrade stock internals at all?

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9660/turbokitcivic.jpg

[tayl51601]

You will have to upgrade your search button, doesnt seem like it worked too well.........

[reedyek4]

You will have to upgrade your search button, doesnt seem like it worked too well.........


where can i do that?

[tayl51601]

Just search the forums, there has been many threads discussing whats needed to turbo a b16

But to save you the trouble, you dont need to do anything to your internals unless you go past 10 psi. Just upgrade your fuel system (pump and injectors), clutch and ECU then tune and your good to go.

Obvously there are little things that need to be done to suppurt the turbo as well like a larger exhaust and you will need to get a catch can installed properly for a turbo car so your not putting boost into your crank case and stopping the motor from being able to breath at the pcv valve under boost.

[Limbo]

look in the build sections there are a few

[Benson]

Have a search for AFI or full race kits

[FastFwd]

Search dude sorry wish i could be bothered explaining the same thing over and over but i cant....

Also that kit up there looks like an Ebay XS power kit...Stay away Trust me.

[Slaz]

Add to that peakboost, Spoolin, SLS straight line specialties. there are plenty amongst many custom kits.

Budget and power required or wanted is the big question, but dont think you'll be getting big power without internal engine work.

As all have said, search the turbo section of here and other forums and you'll start to get the idea.

[FastFwd]

Add to that peakboost, Spoolin, SLS straight line specialties. there are plenty amongst many custom kits.

Budget and power required or wanted is the big question, but dont think you'll be getting big power without internal engine work.

As all have said, search the turbo section of here and other forums and you'll start to get the idea.

Couple guys on here are pushing over 250hp atw's on stock internals....

250hp is a huge upgrade from NA.

[reedyek4]

Search dude sorry wish i could be bothered explaining the same thing over and over but i cant....

Also that kit up there looks like an Ebay XS power kit...Stay away Trust me.

yeah i think it is actually what is normally recommended?

[MikeyG]

dude.. what every1 on these forums recommend is decent turbo kits..

buy nothing turbo kit from ebay they are cheap and shit and fuk your car left right and centre.

i suggest look at AFI or peakboost turbo kits.. they arent that expensive plus they give good power...

as for internals i suggest cam shafts, cam gears, bigger injectors, bigger fuel pump, bore and hooning even is excellent for a turbo setup higher comp then ecu.. cannto stress of a excellent ECU eg s300 hondata with a excellent tune 10-15psi daily.. your looking at 200-250atw

[Slaz]

Couple guys on here are pushing over 250hp atw's on stock internals....

250hp is a huge upgrade from NA.

LOL, well that depends what NA your used to isnt it?

I dont consider 250hp with a turbo to be a huge upgrade.

You pay for what you get and cheap shit on ebay is cheap shit for a reason so as mentioned stay clear.

Think of internals as insurnace, you dont really know what your starting with when the motor is used and you havnt owned it its whole life, and once it is boosted you'll get used to the power and think, ill put more boost into it, then you'll worry how long its going to last or if your cast pistons and stock rods will survive a mishap or bad fuel or that over rev, mis shift you didnt mean to do, then once you do internals you'll more then likley upgrade your kit as now the engine can handle more revs and boost safely.

Do your research, look at the costs involved and set a relalistid budget and keep 10-20% extra as your going to miss parts and all the small items add up unless your going to a shop for the lot and its down on paper, and if a shop is going to do your work, have a chat to them about their experience and what works and what doesnt, just as you see some shiny thing on ebay or where ever, there are many people out there that have mastered the art of polishing turds to make people buy them.

Once again, research and good luck. :thumbsup:

[FastFwd]

slaz im not trying to pull your chain but have you driven in a eg or ek pulling over 200hp?

over 200hp atw's is fairly massive.

i will eventually get around 300-340hp atw's in a couple weeks but atm im running around 220hp and even that is still massive...and that can be done in an stock motor.

[Slaz]

I have driven many and been in plenty EF EG,EK,DC over 200hp ATW's NA and up to 400 KW ATW turbo.

Driven 150KW/210 HP ATW NA in a light EG,EK is what the better cars are running and pretty quick cars, though they do serve a purpose for a class of racing.

Driven a 300 KW ATW turbo EF and that is quick, it didnt have the best brakes for the job either so that sort of come into the mix when i was driving this particular car, on the cruise day i was on, nothing could touch this thing, i found that fun and powerful personally, it had a smaller turbo and smaller cams to suit curcuit/street and came on boost quickly so it always left a grin when you planted it.

Driven an EK that at the time was only running 330 KW ATW's but been in it when it was running race fuel and just over 400 KW ATW's and due to the tyres, boost, cams, size turbo and when boost came on, it was abit of a cut cat when it came to life but still fun none the less.

So once again ill say that it depends on your budget and what you want out of the build, if he consults a shop or turns up to a few cruise days he can line up a ride in a few different turbo cars and see what he may want which is what im suggesting, do you research about what you want out of it, but end of the day comes to budget and dont forget, if you addressing power, also consider brakes, suspension, driveline, thermal managment ect.

[leok]

The kit picture in first post is being sold by Vision R in Perth. Vision R is selling for 5500. I don't think it's one of those cheapo Ebay kits, Vision R mainly sells genuine or high performance aftermarket parts, not cheap stuff.

[reedyek4]

The kit picture in first post is being sold by Vision R in Perth. Vision R is selling for 5500. I don't think it's one of those cheapo Ebay kits, Vision R mainly sells genuine or high performance aftermarket parts, not cheap stuff.


yeah its from visionr...and quality wise they are very good down there..thats why i was ionterested in this kit...could be worng anyway :S

[FastFwd]

Yer good but expensive... They charge an arm an a leg. I'm not sure how you are with mechanical work but its not realy that hard. I had a little mechanical backround but i did it first try. I got a kit similar to this on my first turbo build and set it up myself. Very easy and very fun. Had 3-4 mates around, had a bbq and we got it all done in like 3-4 hours.

Pretty much like lego these things. There made to fit in there correct spots. I even made a progress handbook on my first build. Step by step instructions. Theres others floating around on the net also. Labour will save you $2000

[reedyek4]

Yer good but expensive... They charge an arm an a leg. I'm not sure how you are with mechanical work but its not realy that hard. I had a little mechanical backround but i did it first try. I got a kit similar to this on my first turbo build and set it up myself. Very easy and very fun. Had 3-4 mates around, had a bbq and we got it all done in like 3-4 hours.

Pretty much like lego these things. There made to fit in there correct spots. I even made a progress handbook on my first build. Step by step instructions. Theres others floating around on the net also. Labour will save you $2000

yeahh i always dreaded getting the labour costs for the job! :eek: but yeah if it is easier than it would seem then i would definatly give it a go :). sounds like fun and at the end of it you can say you done it :)

[FastFwd]

yeahh i always dreaded getting the labour costs for the job! :eek: but yeah if it is easier than it would seem then i would definatly give it a go :). sounds like fun and at the end of it you can say you done it :)

You cant really bolt other parts in different sections so you cant do much damage. Pretty much a lego set, just a bit harder. Get a mate or two to help...if your all new at this then 3 minds work better than one and suggestions make it easier to finish.

Mount the front mount, and bottom cooler piping yourself. Thats piss easy and then unbolt your extractors and intake pipe and then get your mates to come round and help. You dont need to be a genius to do it. The only difference your job will be compared to vision r's will be that if something needs to be customized to fit they will probably do a much better job.

Also...if you really want to you could make a turbo kit yourself for around 3-3.5g. This is a little hard to do tho. you will need at least 4-6 months of research to make sure you know what your doing and what parts to buy. Cant just wack any turbo or and manifold on. They all play parts for different spools, midranges, top end power and a good street drive or drag car.

My first kit i bought like this made huge power but was poo to drive...huge turbo and late spool but huge Dyno monster, crap for daily drive tho.

[reedyek4]

i wouldnt want a huge turbo personally either..well not on a civic..a supra perhaps?

but on a civic i wouldnt want huge power gains (FWD doesnt provide unlimited grip) i would just want something responsive but around 250-300atw (after stroking & upgraded internals)..daily driverable. so nooo large planet sized turbos :)

[DLO01]

.... hooning even is excellent for a turbo setup....

Don't you mean.... a turbo setup is good for hooning? lol :p

[reedyek4]

Don't you mean.... a turbo setup is good for hooning? lol :p

HAHAHA with this sort of setup how could you not..:eek:. just blipping the throttle will get you in trouble

[Limbo]

Defect on the wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[FastFwd]

i got my turbo setup registered in WA in my car...you should be able to also.

[reedyek4]

Right another question on streetablilty of a turbo b16...realistically with an average turbo size kit, forged internals, new cams etc how easy is it to get that power to the road? i have driven a evo TME with around 400hp atw and even that (4wd) had some traction issues.

[FastFwd]

Right another question on streetablilty of a turbo b16...realistically with an average turbo size kit, forged internals, new cams etc how easy is it to get that power to the road? i have driven a evo TME with around 400hp atw and even that (4wd) had some traction issues.

Your going to need an LSD forsure.

Dont worry about cams...stock cams are probably the best for turbo setups. You dont even need forged internals if you wanna go for a high comp setup. Look at some others with stock internal setups. Not to bad. Or go for lower comp forged setup and go for some massive power but steetability wont be as good with the lower comp setup. And its going to cost 3-4g more for the forged lower comp setup.

[Limbo]

being ur first turbo let me give u some advice, up to you if you take it or not

1) get a good turbo, new if possible, garrett or HKS are the ones i'd recommend
2) get either a cast or custom manifold, some of the US ones have fitment issues second-hand is ok too, don't get a cheap stainless steel one
3) Proper ECU, PFC or hondata, both will be easier to get tuned
4) at least 440cc Injectors (RC or precision are what i have been using) & walbro fuel pump
5) intercooler to fit where u want. a decent front mount will make it all more reliable
6) upgrade ur brakes, either better pads or get ITR front rotors & calipers.
7) Get a tuner who has tuned turbo HONDA cars before

Those are the main things, there are a few other little bits but i'm sure someone else will fill in the gaps

Keep the engine as stock as possible as this will result in less issues for u

[ZeForce]

Right another question on streetablilty of a turbo b16...realistically with an average turbo size kit, forged internals, new cams etc how easy is it to get that power to the road? i have driven a evo TME with around 400hp atw and even that (4wd) had some traction issues.

Im having serious traction issues with only 230whp, thats with LSD and RE001s

[FastFwd]

Im having serious traction issues with only 230whp, thats with LSD and RE001s

Yeh im in the same boat or baot lol as you dude...

i get nothing even with LSD...was a dry day today finially i could test out the lsd.

[Limbo]

yeah i had 162kwatw and i had traction problems also