Integra VTi-R performance

[SiR CRX]

I was just wondering how the Integra VTi-R (around 94 model) goes in stock form. They have the B18C engine right? I am just curious as I have never really seen a good one on the road and they seem like a good package. A mate is considering getting one so I thought I would ask a few questions. Please post up any relevant information for me.

Cheers :honda:

[spoondc2]

Actually what do you want to know?

[joneblaze]

LOL... you want an essay? 10 page report on it's performance, kwatw figures, safety features, handling characteristics?

If this word has never been suitable in the past, it certainly is now....... SEARCH. :)

[bluebird]

I've recently purchased one (99 model, but similar performance). Previous car was turbo, so i'm pretty critical about it's performance! Anyway,

Goes well for what it is, but it's not a supercar.. I find the lack of low down torque annoying. It's not too bad when by yourself, but get another person in the car, and it is hugely noticable. They are more designed as a 'fun' car, not an outright performance car. It's quick enough to keep up to most stockish turbo cars, yet it'll pull away from most other N/A 4 / 6 cyls... just gotta be picky about where you start your runs from.

Handling in stock form is pretty shocking. Chassis setup is nice, but it wanders a fair bit, and the suspension really hunts for a corner to pin down on. I intend to purchase lowered springs and a thicker sway bar soon, which should eliminate these issues. However, as a driver, the car offers me lots of feedback, and a very direct drive, which I enjoy. I know what the car is going to do everytime it gets near the limit...

Overall summary? It's a fun car, will never be the best handling or fastest car on the road, but it's enough to have some fun... and it starts 1st go, every go! If you want a outright performance car around the same cash, you'd be better to buy a 180/200SX, or a skyline... but if you want a good overall package, a VTiR is a good starting point, but defintely requires a few mods to get it more sportier.

[SiR CRX]

Thanks bluebird for the only decent response so far. Basically all I wanted to know was peoples opinions on the car and you gave me yours. Thanks.

[spoondc2]

I've recently purchased one (99 model, but similar performance). Previous car was turbo, so i'm pretty critical about it's performance! Anyway,

Goes well for what it is, but it's not a supercar.. I find the lack of low down torque annoying. It's not too bad when by yourself, but get another person in the car, and it is hugely noticable. They are more designed as a 'fun' car, not an outright performance car. It's quick enough to keep up to most stockish turbo cars, yet it'll pull away from most other N/A 4 / 6 cyls... just gotta be picky about where you start your runs from.

Handling in stock form is pretty shocking. Chassis setup is nice, but it wanders a fair bit, and the suspension really hunts for a corne
r to pin down on. I intend to purchase lowered springs and a thicker sway bar soon, which should eliminate these issues. However, as a driver, the car offers me lots of feedback, and a very direct drive, which I enjoy. I know what the car is going to do everytime it gets near the limit...

Overall summary? It's a fun car, will never be the best handling or fastest car on the road, but it's enough to have some fun... and it starts 1st go, every go! If you want a outright performance car around the same cash, you'd be better to buy a 180/200SX, or a skyline... but if you want a good overall package, a VTiR is a good starting point, but defintely requires a few mods to get it more sportier.


Vti-R should have better torque before vtec compare to Type-R due to it's 2 stage intake manifold design, this car is fun to start with but not a ideal car if you are going to do any heavy mods because it's engine design, lots of parts are not interchangable with Type-R or aftermarket parts, i could list out the disadv more than the adv

Sorry, maybe i will type it out later....... i really feel tired... sorry

[Hondavirgin]

i find it a good alternative to a Type R if you have cash/insurance dramas.....straight line i've always been pretty equal with stock Type R's but its cornering and power down out of corners is obviously a fair way behind, nothing a few suspension mods and an LSD can't fix....

oh, yeah, i own a 96 VTiR, running a 15.1 1/4 with only a cat back exhaust and open pod (which i think wouldn't give me a worthwhile power increase, if any).

[SiR CRX]

Awesome, 15.1 for a stocky is great. Thanks for the help guys, I am surprised that a lot of Type R parts are not compatible though :thumbdwn:

[spoondc2]

Yes..... at least the GSR head is the major problem, it's different than the Type-R, i will be more appreciate to the B16, although it's 1600cc but really 99% Type-R parts interchagable, my fd got the 2000cc upgrade(1st stage) on his b16 and having good durability,

This is what he is using:
B16B head
B20B block
Accord CF4 85mm piston
some england made cam IN 304' EX 278'
1mm gasket, 11:5 CR
Type-R injector
vtec in 7000rpm and producing 240ps in 11000rpm.........
0-100 5.3 secs but guess what? with stock manifold to exhaust system, stock 4.4 gearbox, exedy clutch, stock flywheel

Since he is mechanic and the engine is for "demo" purpose which gotta show to his customers so he will do the complete engine work later, cheapest way to have a great result on vtec engine, under 7k, i think it's worth it

[monstaR]

i find it a good alternative to a Type R if you have cash/insurance dramas.....straight line i've always been pretty equal with stock Type R's but its cornering and power down out of corners is obviously a fair way behind, nothing a few suspension mods and an LSD can't fix....

oh, yeah, i own a 96 VTiR, running a 15.1 1/4 with no real power improving mods, just noise makers =).

Pretty equal with a stock R? Whoa your vtir must be pretty quick......

[Hondavirgin]

I was only talking straight line speed on a strip, street driving could be different.

obviously in proper driving with corners the R is way ahead....different league, they always whipped me in autokhanas.....

ans whats the quoted 1/4 for an R?

[spoondc2]

Approx 15.1 sec............. not sure about it

[MURCHO]

how much to work shops charge to put the larger B20 block in a dc2r? and keep the type r head? cheers guys

[bluebird]

I'd guess that "noise makers" are affecting that 15.1 quarter mile times... exhaust + intake = power!

[spoondc2]

how much to work shops charge to put the larger B20 block in a dc2r? and keep the type r head? cheers guys

It will cost you about 10k for complete work, cos you don't just put the block under the head, i just know B16B head bolts right on to B20B block, not sure about the B18C, also all the lines will needed to be relocated, you also need better fuel injector and custom ecu and etc.

Any expert could help here?

[Hondavirgin]

i'd hardly call a cat back exhaust and a pod filter exactly mind blowing performance upgrades without tuning.......slightly better throttle response from the intake but thats not really helping on the strip is it?

maybe there was a weight issue, i'm pretty light, seat is lighter than the normal one....but, 15.1 is still what i got, and i'd still call my car basically stock..

[monstaR]

Change the header to a 4-1 with a 2.5 inch collector, you will feel the vtec pulling hard at top end :D

[bluebird]

i'd hardly call a cat back exhaust and a pod filter exactly mind blowing performance upgrades without tuning.......slightly better throttle response from the intake but thats not really helping on the strip is it?

maybe there was a weight issue, i'm pretty light, seat is lighter than the normal one....but, 15.1 is still what i got, and i'd still call my car basically stock..
'Basically stock' and 'stock' are two different things though, you can't compare the two.

You are correct in saying you're car is still quite close to standard though - You've gotten a good time :) Is the POD inside the standard airbox? Even about 5hp could net you that 15.5 to a 15.1 (combined with your weight etc :)). The slight increase in air flow through your engine could have given you that extra power, you simply don't know!

What MPH? What 60ft time?

Just be careful, your saying your car has run a 15.1 stock, but that's not true... it's a misleading comment, and wrong. I'm picking on it as I know what mine, and other DC2 VTiRs run stock, and they don't get ANYWHERE near yours (at least a few tenths off).

[Hondavirgin]

ok, i'll edit my original post.

but 5 hp is nothing (what, about 3.7kw?), and certainly not anything thats going to gain me 0.4 seconds. I don't think gaining another 5 hp is going to put me deep into the 14s....

i've just moved so trying to get my timeslip posted over from Perth, but from memory it wasn't a good 60ft time, maybe 2.6?

anyways, a bit OT, sorry.

[bluebird]

ok, i'll edit my original post.

but 5 hp is nothing (what, about 3.7kw?), and certainly not anything thats going to gain me 0.4 seconds. I don't think gaining another 5 hp is going to put me deep into the 14s....

i've just moved so trying to get my timeslip posted over from Perth, but from memory it wasn't a good 60ft time, maybe 2.6?

anyways, a bit OT, sorry.
It's not O/T it's all relavant to the stock performance of a VTiR.

Nah, I more meant that 5HP can be combined with things like
- Lighter seat
- Better engine response due to less restrictions on the engine

blah blah blah,

It all counts.......

Still, it's a great time and I hope to get the same soon :)

[Savant]

Change the header to a 4-1 with a 2.5 inch collector, you will feel the vtec pulling hard at top end :D


Certainly will feel vtec, but have no mid range with those headers. And 2.5 inch exhaust for a n/a engine? that's huge considering it's a stock 4cyl

[^^v]

I was only talking straight line speed on a strip, street driving could be different.

obviously in proper driving with corners the R is way ahead....different league, they always whipped me in autokhanas.....

ans whats the quoted 1/4 for an R?

DC2
with a decent driver at the wheel...
stock ITR does roughly mid to high 14's
stock VTi-R's r about a second slower than the itr's

[monstaR]

Certainly will feel vtec, but have no mid range with those headers. And 2.5 inch exhaust for a n/a engine? that's huge considering it's a stock 4cyl

Yeah shouldn't be a problem. stock vtir will def perform better with 2 1/4 to 2 1/2 inch... if uneasy go for the header with a 2 1/4 inch collector insted :)

[spoondc2]

Certainly will feel vtec, but have no mid range with those headers. And 2.5 inch exhaust for a n/a engine? that's huge considering it's a stock 4cyl

So some ppl will also consider 4.785 Final Drive, but the gear ratio of Vti-R doesn't quite suitable though, that's why i keep saying that i like EK4 more