Massive Question for a Massive Task

[Nathan-Mugen]

OK, so I have a brand new Honda Civic Vti. I know this isn't the grandest Civic, but the Hatch is horrible on the Aussie Type-r. I am going to be doing some major modifications to it and am not worried about my warranty going out the window.

Body- I have purchased a Full Mugen RR body kit to resemble the new civic mugen's from japan, The wheels are 19" Jet chrome's.The car itself is pearlescent black but i am thinking of eventually changing this, I have the red race badges and have already purchased all the necessary Mugen RR badges for the car, so that is not a worry. My question is what parts of the car can i legally get away with converting to carbon fibre?

Under Hood- Obviously this isnt the most powerful engine, but i would definately love to add a turbo kit to the car, or whatever I need do to absolutely maximise the power. Can anyone suggest any turbo kits that would work with this model or any other suitable engine upgrades. I have also Changed it to twin sports exhaust, quite like the Mugen.

Interior- I have had this all redone to match the color scheme of the type-r, But in leather, Black seats with red middle panelling.

This car is a daily driver, But as this is the car that I am passionate about, you could say it is this man's 'chariot' any suggestions from anyone to get absolute aftermarket peak performance out of this baby would be appreciated beyond measure.

Cheers,
The Kidd

[Euro08Jaz]

Please post pics. Good luck with build.

[ganj3]

Sounds like an awesome build! I'm not sure about which parts you can convert to carbon fibre but I think you can get away with most parts except the hood. I've been told having a carbon fibre hood is illegal

[Fung]

meh...paint that carbon fibre material into a different colour~~

of coz~~~ if you smack it...you are in trouble

[black8thgen]

yea i think u have to get an engineer license for a cf hood? anyways get some pics mate. looks like its gna be a sick build

[sirdistik]

Dude,
If you've got so much money to splurge, why didn't you purchase the FD2 instead? As for maximising power, don't forget the ROM flashes/upgrades available etc.. probably the easiest and cheapest upgrade for performance you can get after the air filter

[Nathan-Mugen]

Prices were horrible on the gold coast, cost bout 31 just for the car with the spoiler and a few other addons.

not too worried about not getting the sport, will upgrade as I can afford more.
As for pics, I will put some on in the morning, Just cleaned It tonight, so should look good :p.

BTW, does anyone know any compatible turbo's?, I wanted an alljap, but am under the impression they are only for SI's correct?

[Wayne]

get K20A or K24A engine swap.. no turbo kit needed.. tuned with HKS F-Con VPro.. a good SRI and CAI.. good manifold.. an aftermarket catback exhaust system from japan..

carbon stuff u need to find from thailand.. taiwan.. and singapore.. they got massive carbon stuff for FD.. price from 100 USD - 1000 USD.. depends.. =)

ur wheels change to some performance wheels like CE28N.. RE30.. or TE37 in 19".. =)

last but not least.. get a set of good suspension like TEIN.. with EDFC for easier to tune the soft/hard system.. sets of cusco bars.. change ur brakes to aftermarket full caliper kit like APRacing.. Endless.. Project MU.. =)

just my opinion.. =)

[chunky]

rich boy coming through

cant wait to see this

[Stig]

i would agree, for the money turbo`in the fd1, get a k20a or k24a or k20/k24 swap. you would get wayy more power... turbo fd1 will only get like ~110-120kw atw lol

[ej20i]

Pictures!!!!please!!!

[Nathan-Mugen]

anyone have a clue where i would go to get a new K24a engine?, can my honda dealer get it for me?

[black8thgen]

try some traders here, or ebay, i remember coming cross some k20a and k24a engines

[Nathan-Mugen]

This is the car before any work whatsoever, the only modification here is the red emblems. The car goes in to get it's leather kit this week, and I believe my spoiler has arrived so it is getting fitted tommorrow. And the wheels are being fitted on thursday night. I have decided to go the K24a engine, I am trying to source one now. this will be a long project, but I will surely keep you all in tune with new pics as I get work done.

Suggestions are of course more than welcome :)

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[nny911]

aww get the k20a it revs HARDERRR

[Nathan-Mugen]

Ok, I will leave it up to the people that know. My aim, maximum low range acceleration, meaning the quickest 0/100kmpr time, K20a or K24a

[nny911]

dunno... K24a has better torque but rev lower and less pwr...so it also comes down to da gear combo...
but I'll do da K20a for sure man...
I think K24 rev to around 7000 and a bit..and JDM K20 does 9000
more rev = more fun and just for da sake of being JDM hahahaha

[ekdez]

dunno if its the correct term to use, but your wasting a lot of money on a civic.. at the end of the day its a civic as people would say..

what made you choose a civic over other cars? with the money your spending you could have got a rx8 or a 350x for example..

p.s. why dont you get a 24 block and a jdm 20 head? and work the fk out of it
also do the fd2 stock mounts for the k20z1 engine fit the k24 or 20a?
you got the fd1 yeah? so you are gonna have an r18a.. where you getting all your parts from? or yet to find?

[warwick108]

i think he has a festish for an r18.. =)

[Stig]

dunno if its the correct term to use, but your wasting a lot of money on a civic.. at the end of the day its a civic as people would say..


but the first sickvic fd in aus to have an engine transplant, get bragging rights :thumbsup:

[UNLS1]

dude why the hell spend all this money on a civic?? ITS JUST A CIVIC!

why didnt u just go and save it all up and buy a real performance car?? like a GTI, or WRX or even a V8???
at the end of the day no matter how much u spend u will always have just a civic.

[warwick108]

You take that back unls1..><..

[UNLS1]

lol didnt mean to offend but wont take it back.
but i do understand the fun of modding a car to get the most out of it.
I guess when i have done that in the past ive started with a good performance base and worked up from there.

and civic is great, i got the mrs an FD2.

was goin to get her FN2R but she likes the leather and sunroof of the FD2 lol

[ekdez]

i agree with you UNLS1.. just spending VAST amounts of money on a civic is pointless..

unless you intend to track it etc. but then you have the wrong chasis type haha..

[Muzzy]

mate where did you pick up the red badges? I got a black FD2 and wouldn't mind wacking on those badges..

how much do they cost and are they difficult to install?

[Wayne]

im selling my red H for the front and back.. brand new.. PM me for more info.. =)

[Nathan-Mugen]

My dealer got me the badges, they were like $100, but the dealers do love to rip you.

and anyway, i know it may seem pointless, but i dont particualrly like WRX's or RX'8s, otherwise i would have got one in the first place haha

Modding the car to resemble a Mugen RR was my plan in the first place anyway, the civic is just the shell :p. and honda quoted me 15k for brand new K20a engine installed :p hahaha.

[JOhnnyFD]

k20a FTW!! my overall goal would be to put that engine in the car... but right now im content on the R18A engine, see what i could do to get as much performance from a 1.8L n/a

and dont diss the FD chassis, theres a reason to why honda made a typeR from that chassis

[curtis265]

the R18A engine is not for performance at all.

Dealer is actually willling to do a K20A swap for you? that's frigging awesome!

does that mean they have to get it from japan? 15k sounds about right... for a dealer

[Nathan-Mugen]

yeh, they will have to get it from japan. the guys at my dealer are pretty good, they can hook me up with pretty much everything apart from the mugen bodykit. apparently honda japan wants to keep it for themselves hahah

[curtis265]

:O what assholes.

Silly japanese people.

[Fung]

i know~~sharing is caring brother...

theyve shipped more than enough p**n overseas....which is a good thing
good looking bodykits...is just as important

[ekdez]

and dont diss the FD chassis, theres a reason to why honda made a typeR from that chassis

but why wouldnt you choose the ek shell? its over 200 kg's lighter to start off with and is less bulky.

trust me i love the fd chasis and shape, and how they can turn out when money is spent on them in the crrect manner. im just saying for purely racing.. older civics are better becuase its cheaper etc..

anyhow no agueing.. back to this guys car :thumbsup:

[Fung]

where is he planning to get his RR kit again?

[Nathan-Mugen]

kit is coming from j-import, unless I find a cheaper one.

[Mr_will]

i call bullshit

[xqwzit]

while ur at it, buy the k20a from honda japan and send it to mugen to do the work.
you cant have the mugen rr kit without the engine :)
and when ur done, i will buy your car for 30k :)

[FallenAngel]

My dealer got me the badges, they were like $100, but the dealers do love to rip you.

and anyway, i know it may seem pointless, but i dont particualrly like WRX's or RX'8s, otherwise i would have got one in the first place haha

Modding the car to resemble a Mugen RR was my plan in the first place anyway, the civic is just the shell :p. and honda quoted me 15k for brand new K20a engine installed :p hahaha.

I find that quite hard to believe....

[FallenAngel]

Anywho, if you do actually go on with the project make sure that you get the right stuff and get it done properly.

Your warranty will become useless by the way ur going so just forget about even having it

[Nathan-Mugen]

oh yeah, i mentioned in my first post i knew the warranty would be voided. if u are interested in the engine, ring highway honda in springwood, their parts department quoted me. so i guess they would probably give you the same price.

[ktld]

Wooooow really..... k20A sick....

[liquid23]

the k20a is the civic type R (japan) engine rite?

Anything exterior that is carbon fiber is illegal, if interior then it doesn't matter.
If you want to insure your car, carbon fiber exterior parts will void it. I'm not sure if the Type R/Mugen RR spoiler is legal or not with the centre piece being carbon.

I going to do the same as you, RR kit, change engine. custom interior, custom paint job, extreme high end SQ system. but i just gave up lol cause in the end it would cost like 40k which cost more than way more than the civic itself.

I'm just gonna leave my car as it is and just do up what is legal. I'm gonna change back to normal doors lol. i dont like having people killing my door when i get something done to it. Should have thought about that when i got it put in lol

[black8thgen]

so carbon fibre grille is illegal? T_T... gayyyyyyy lol =.=..

[black8thgen]

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/JDM-K20A-Type-R-engne-civic-intgra-k20-k24a-mugen-spoon_W0QQitemZ110403216614QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_C ar_Parts_Accessories?hash=item19b48b64e6&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14

heres a k20a engine on ebay for 9k.

[liquid23]

so carbon fibre grille is illegal? T_T... gayyyyyyy lol =.=..

i think it is illegal if it is a fiberglass underneath with carbon on top. if its like the stick on real carbon fiber then its not because when it break it wont shatter into a million pieces and kill everyone around you like a real carbon mold piece.

[black8thgen]

oh right, yeah hahaha its just a stick on thing. phew.. lol. =D.

[JOhnnyFD]

should know that the K20A engine in the FD2R is different to that of the other K20A's in the integras and older civic typeRs

[Nathan-Mugen]

incase anyone is wondering, this is the exact engine i am doing my best to get a hold of http://asia.vtec.net/Engines/FD2K20AR/index.html

[Fung]

i can tell you...this is one expensive project car

lets not talk abt performance upgrades

the costs for a full RR conversion will probably be around 5-6K

[chunky]

^ wtf...

[JOhnnyFD]

no doubt

if you got the moolah u can do anything
http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo22/JOhnnyFD1/pdiddy.gif

had to put tat in.. hehe

[Fung]

^ wtf...



no joke brother

ask any overseas traders/manufacturers.
they have their RR kits priced 3-4 times higher than any other kit they've listed for a FD...

you could ask SUS2K who has recently got his RR kit from jspec in singapore
not cheap at all man


meh~~ if i win the lotto....money is not a issue

[liquid23]

RR kit is $4500 including paint and then you need to install it .... installation of anything in Aus will kill your bank account. i've already spent into 5 digits and mine still looks normal no heavy mods

[black8thgen]

hahaha, lotto.. more chance dying than wining that shit =.=

[aero]

hey nathan-mugen, u said something about getting a quote from highway honda in springwood? is that springwood here in brisbane southside? if u do live in brissy, then u should come meet up with some of the other civic fd drivers and ozhonda drivers in brisbane :)

[curtis265]

Someone will knock you out and steal your engine.

[Nathan-Mugen]

yeh Brisbane Honda, for sure I would love to meet up with some of you guys, swing me a pm or something. Engine is getting done last though, oh and total price for everything is, alpine stereo 6k, mugen rr kit 5k minimum, engine 15k, leather and wheels 4.5k

[ekdez]

cheap rims..?

either way.. i wanna see the final product.. its all talk till then =]

[FallenAngel]

yeh Brisbane Honda, for sure I would love to meet up with some of you guys, swing me a pm or something. Engine is getting done last though, oh and total price for everything is, alpine stereo 6k, mugen rr kit 5k minimum, engine 15k, leather and wheels 4.5k

30k... and it goes up still... gosh =/

[Wayne]

alpine stereo 6k? what kind of stereo? the MIC type-x series and MIC PDX series? or F#1 JDM series? hehe.. =)

[Wayne]

oh ya.. u just plan to run on a stock K20A? or further mod will go into the engine? dont forget u need nice exhaust.. nice brakes.. etc etc for performance.. which another few Ks into ur budget.. xD

[Nathan-Mugen]

Sorry forgot to mention, the exhaust is included with the body kitfrom j-import, also the type r steering wheel, and u right it is all talk til it's finished, we will see how it goes one step at a time :)

[Wayne]

enjoy with the K20A.. hehe.. u will know the hassle once u got it.. =)

[Fung]

saw a white 09 FD vti with the type R spoiler today oustide UTS library

and i understand why rims is 1st priority

[sKy.xD]

Why are you getting leather ? Shouldn't you be getting recaro seats?

[Nathan-Mugen]

not the biggest fan of recaro's. and ive been informed by honda springwood today that I would be much better off trying to source a halfcut of a type-r from japan, any thoughts?, i couldnt find any websites selling them haha.

[Nathan-Mugen]

and this is the wheels getting put on, i like em....... but i guess will have to wait to see how they look on the car. http://customwheeltyre.com/gallery/d/821-6/jet_lge.jpeg

[Wayne]

lolz.. why getting halfcut? they cant get K20A anymore from japan? hehe.. brand new is better than halfcut.. =)

lolz.. u spend so much on K20A but getting this wheels? why not getting some JDM lightweight wheels to helps on ur performance? like VR RE30.. TE37.. CE28N.. =)

[aero]

blingy wheels.

like this mugen RR on 20s, y0~! lol

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_NRSDCBt4i-U/ShXPFzd6njI/AAAAAAAAC7A/4ppBqZYLsHI/fd2&#37;20Mugen1.jpg

[black8thgen]

get some good volks lol.. those rims would kill the look tbh =/

[Fung]

i rkn brother...dont kill it with some blings.....JDM style all the way

Rays, Work, you got plenty of choices there

[liquid23]

yup i was gonna do blings with david wheels or blaque
but i changed my mind to Volk CE28N limited edition on 19s :D
i like the matte black or gun metal look

[edmbranch]

why not the mugen GP wheels..

[FallenAngel]

why not the mugen GP wheels..

agreed

[ekdez]

eww chrome :\
polished is max i'd go.. all up to your taste tho..
but you'll get a lot of shit posting here cos we all jdm/vip lovers ahha

[Fung]

jdm all the way brother XD

[Wayne]

yeah man.. Mugen GP is around 280k yen without tyres.. hehe.. =)

[Nathan-Mugen]

blargh, i don't like look of those wheels :p

[Wayne]

how about CE28N? TE37? and RE30?

[Fung]

anybody knows the size and offset on the civic?

16 or 17?
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y299/jdmej20sti/DSC_0031copy.jpg

[jckidz]

Hotness.. haha.. Anyway, that looks like 17"..

[Wayne]

nice wheels.. TE37 MAGs.. xD

[Fung]

is there any shop that does the job?? paint the rims mag blue XD

[Nathan-Mugen]

just to give you guys abit of a laugh, I payed for my personalised plate today, after much deliberation............ I came up with

TETRIS :) hahaha

[ganj3]

lol any particular reason why you chose TETRIS?

[Nathan-Mugen]

because it would be a crime not to love it? haha, nah, i just got a great laugh out of it, and i think a few other drivers definitely will too

[Fung]

i rkn thats a creative plate!

[aero]

damn $2.5k ppq prestige plates >.<
so they should come in the next 2 weeks or so?

[aero]

hey nathan, how goes the project rr?


honda quoted me 15k for brand new K20a engine installed :p hahaha.

i was just wondering on this.. the k20a that honda quoted u for $15k.. thats just the k20 that goes into the jdm fd2r, right? if ur planning to make ur fd resemble a mugen rr, will that mean ull get the mugen rr k20a with the mugen stroker kit? coz the mugen rr is a 2.2L, rite?

[Nathan-Mugen]

i highly highly doubt i can get hold of a mugen k20a. as for other things, the audio system is done, will get a pic up in a bit.

[curtis265]

Nathan, you have too much spare money.

[cracker]

ZAGE have bolt on turbo kit for FD1

[xqwzit]

if you are not a multi millionaire i reckon invest with the money.
but this is going to be a mad project if its real.

[ekdez]

hows project going?

[DNY*BOY]

been reading , updates? ...

[curtis265]

pix!!!

[Frost_FD]

Cant wait to see this RR convesion woooo hooo

Btw i read on another post that theres rumors the FD2R is coming to AUS!

[williamwong]

Mugen Civic RR is 2.0L (prefacelift model 2006 - 2008)
Mugen Civic Type-RR Experimental Spec is 2.2L (facelift model 2009)

[Fung]

yup, you are right abt that...

but owner is up at Gold Coast =[

[TT44NG]

its the sex!!

[aero]

Mugen Civic RR is 2.0L (prefacelift model 2006 - 2008)
Mugen Civic Type-RR Experimental Spec is 2.2L (facelift model 2009)

there was also a 2008 prefacelift rr experimental spec with a 2.2L engine as well

http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1025510_mugen-type-rr-experimental-spec-2-2l-k20a-engine

[ktld]

Update?

[Nathan-Mugen]

sorry guys, been lazy as hell. i'm going to take some photos today for ya'll

all alpine and everything is done and type r spoiler

[Stig]

ooo all alpine... i do want specs now :)

[Nathan-Mugen]

decided to hold off the new pics for a few days as uticolour is coming out to my place to repaint all my interior. shiny new dash ;) was thinking silver.......or blood red. just the inner panel with the dvd player and the panel over the steering wheel

[sapook]

look forward to seeing :)

[chunky]

mates that are full of shit thread?
jokesss
wheres the pics already man

[curtis265]

^ahhahahahahaha lol

Pics long overdue man!

[VT3C]

forget the R18 and turbo etc.. just pull it out infavour of K20 or K24..

warranty will be voided depending on WHAT you modify, WHAT you make a warranty claim against, and WHERE you take it.

HONDA in general wants to keep you happy so you buy another honda one day so basically if you modify it, dont bother with a warranty claim on that part (or associated parts).

for example if you fit suspension, if you claim on anything to do with the wheelbearings, suspension, brakes, steering etc.. they can void it.

if you fit an exhaust system and your audio speakers die - that is OK as it is not relevant to the modifications.

I've had a customer's $45,000+ Honda warranty voided 'bumper-to-bumper'. The dealership was happy to maintain the warranty while THEY were working on the car (as they were able to claim against the warranty to incease their margins) even though it was extremely modified. Once they couldnt fix something so the owner took it to another Honda Dealership who agreed to fix the problem under warranty. The first Honda Dealership didnt like the truck coming to theirs to take it to another dealership and promptly called Honda Australia and had the bumper-to-bumper Black-Flag.

as for CF / FRP.. it is only legal to have (Fibre Reinforced Panels) fitted on vehicles that had so originally or were manufactured prior to the changes in ADR's in 1995.

so a 1972 Toyota Landcruiser may have a complete FRP body replacement and be legal.. however u cant fit a FRP door to a 1998 Landcruiser..

a 2004 Corvette may have a CF hood and fenders etc fitted as it was FRP (Fibreglass composite) from the factory.

IMO if you intend on going mental with mods on an FD civic - buy an OLD VTi that is out of warranty and dont worry about it.

Personally with the newer hondas built in Thailand - FD civic especially - i would DEFINATELY want the full warranty for a couple of years !! that's from insider knowledge yo !!

hope that helps.

[ganj3]

Do you work at a Honda dealership?

[curtis265]

That's pretty common knowledge, yo

[J-Spec23]

so...... the photos?

[zenth]

so...... the photos?

LOL. I've been lurking in ozHonda almost everyday, every hour waiting to see these photos. How sad.. :o

[burak213]

successful troll is.... successful

[J-Spec23]

LOL. I've been lurking in ozHonda almost everyday, every hour waiting to see these photos. How sad.. :o

Your not alone :eek:

[Nathan-Mugen]

LOL, ok. give me five mins. shall have a few pics up

[Nathan-Mugen]

ZOMG finally!, haha. sorry. i shouldve washed my car first :o

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[J-Spec23]

nice~ whens the engine going in =P

[Stig]

noicee, i have the same screen and subs haha

[cracker]

woah orange and alpine

[Nathan-Mugen]

it's actually supposed to be the same red as my honda badges. but apparently i need it done in 2pak paint or it will always come up grainy and odd

[Nathan-Mugen]

anyone got any thoughts on what has more 'upgrade potential'?, the K24 or K20a. basically i want to achieve minimum 0-100 and high top speed. considering at the moment without any engine work whatsoever i can get up to 216kph on the highway. have not tested on a dyno. but the highway near my house is verry long and verrry straight. at 216 it just wouldnt go up anymore.

In your post, please say for or against either engine and why :).

[Stig]

i rkn get the k24z3 (the one from the cu2). if you are going to do a k20a conversion then youre just pretty much mimicking the fd2r, but if you were to do a k24, then it would just totally be a different car. the cu2 k24 produces less power than a jdm k20a though but it will have more torque.

also you wont have to change your oem tacho since it red lines at 7,100 and even if you tune it to 8,000 rpm, the rev range would still be on the tacho :p

thats my opinion though

[Nathan-Mugen]

sidenote. i am getting the fd2r cluster sets for the dash. so it will show at 9krpm, if i get up to it :p

[Fung]

its a auto~~~ auto Mugen RR~~~

[Nathan-Mugen]

actually when the engine gets put in i am also getting a tiptronic gearbox. so yeah......like i said, it's a big project :p

[black8thgen]

man, may aswell convert to manual lol

[Nathan-Mugen]

yeah, i dunno about that........ its a really hard choice. well guys, i have some great news. i have secured the wreck of an 07 AUDM civic type r reallly cheap. gonna strip this and put in the 4 door, the only part of the car that was damaged is the front bumper. engine bay is perfect, seats are perfect, steering wheel, everything. only problem is, it's the K20z. anyone not like these? abit lower horsepower, but still lots of potential

[curtis265]

k20Z4 i think it is..

and it's great! lots of potential!

[aero]

will there be any legal issues when trying to put in an 07 built engine into an 09 car (as urs is, nathan)?

[Stig]

lol uh o spagettio

[Nathan-Mugen]

as far as i am aware, this should not be too much trouble at all. the engine bays on the type r's are actually a tad smaller than the standard civic, i'm sure it will take abit of work granted. but i am gonna say entirely possible

[UNLS1]

please dont tell me you are doing a mugen mock up and u have an auto!
Thats an EPIC FAIL on so many levels......

cant people drive sports cars anymore?

[Nathan-Mugen]

copy/pasta......but still interesting. i like the paddle

Paddle shift vs. manual

Just to distinguish between Ferrari’s paddle shift transmission or BMW’s SMG (Sequential Manual Gearbox), and the one on the Honda Civic – both the Ferrari and the BMW have semi automatic or sequential manual gearboxes, whereas the Honda Civic has a standard torque converter automatic with the option of paddle shifting.

In the case of a Ferrari or BMW, the computer blips the throttle on every downshift ensuring that revs are perfectly matched when the lower gear engages. This novel experience continues to be quite a lot of fun, at least for the first 60 minutes. I can’t say the same for up shifts however, at least not on a BMW 645CI SMG – while downshifts are smooth and enjoyable, up-shifts are slightly hesitant at anything less than 6000 RPM.

On the automatic Civic in S mode, both up and downshifts were surprisingly smooth, even though it’s missing a blip while downshifting. Downshifts can be performed coming into a corner, even at fairly high RPM, ensuring reasonable drive coming out of the corner. This is clearly a feather in the cap of the Civic’s transmission, unlike some others that first give you the option of choosing a gear but then overrule your command in a very patronizing manner. The Civic will even allow you to hit the limiter at the top end, which is not to say it won’t provide any security to its engine either – it won’t let you downshift if you run the risk of over revving the engine, it’ll also automatically shift to first when you come to a standstill.



At the end of the day, however, the automatic just isn’t as involving as the manual. Additionally, quicker shifts can be achieved by using the manual rather than the automatic in S mode. The shifts on the manual may not have the rifle bolt precision as Honda’s sports car, the S 2000, but it’s manual gearbox is a joy to use nonetheless. In my opinion, if there’s one character trait that helps distinguish one car above the other, it’s a direct, short shift manual gearbox. The joy of going up the gears in a well-sorted car can in no way be matched by flicking a paddle on one side of the steering wheel, regardless of how much it makes the driver feel like Michael Schumacher. Moreover, the thrill of mastering the evasive art of a perfect downshift while matching revs by heel-and-toeing can in no way be equaled by a silicon chip that does the same.

This is not to take away from the technological tour de force that is a paddle shift gearbox. We now live in a world where computer chips give us the luxury of the perfect downshift by the flick of the paddle. This translates to a great deal of comfort in the real world of endless traffic jams. In the automatic Civic, you can enjoy the best of both worlds – you can leave the Civic in the purely automatic ‘D’ mode when you’re commuting back and forth from work, and shift to ‘S’ mode when you come across an inviting piece of road.

All things considered, serious drivers should still go for the manual – it’s a much more involving and complete experience. We need to keep in mind, however, the decades of development enjoyed by todays’ manual transmissions. The paddle shifts of today have been around for far less time and their pace of development has been tremendously quicker. It’s safe to assume that these will continue to get better with time. As it stands currently, the paddle shift is more of a convenience device than a sporty one.

[UNLS1]

hmmm ok so u have a civic and trying to compare with a BMW or ferarri .

if u dont know how to drive a manual i guess thats fine, can always learn.

Mugen make these cars in Manual for a reason, would be the most boring car ever with an auto with ur little paddel shifters.

but hey its ur money and car!

Lol i always said we would sell heaps more S2000's to women if they came in auto!

[Stig]

as far as i am aware, this should not be too much trouble at all. the engine bays on the type r's are actually a tad smaller than the standard civic, i'm sure it will take abit of work granted. but i am gonna say entirely possible

he doesnt mean that, he means that you are not able to register a older model engine in a newer chassis (i.e - your 07 engine into your 09 chassis)

correct me if im wrong

[ekdez]

will there be any legal issues when trying to put in an 07 built engine into an 09 car (as urs is, nathan)?


as far as i am aware, this should not be too much trouble at all. the engine bays on the type r's are actually a tad smaller than the standard civic, i'm sure it will take abit of work granted. but i am gonna say entirely possible

lol nathan. he means its illegal to put an older engine into a newer chasis.

[Nathan-Mugen]

well, this is the last task anyway. and its a strictly 'for fun' car. i think it should be ok. once the whole conversion is complete the only driving this car is going to be doing is 1am on the highway to have fun :p. and as for manual. if i was going to just do a straight swap over that way, i would have bought a manual car in the first place. it's going to look like a mugen but obviously not going to be one. so why bother sticking to the rules :p

[howy]

well, this is the last task anyway. and its a strictly 'for fun' car. i think it should be ok. once the whole conversion is complete the only driving this car is going to be doing is 1am on the highway to have fun :p. and as for manual. if i was going to just do a straight swap over that way, i would have bought a manual car in the first place. it's going to look like a mugen but obviously not going to be one. so why bother sticking to the rules :p

If fun's the only reason can I suggest you not have 'fun' on the highway at 1am... but rather have 'fun' on the track instead?

That way you won't hurt yourself or other drivers?

[Stig]

im thinking now, wouldnt it be cheaper just to import a fd2r then if you're just going to do this for "fun"?

[burak213]

hey OP you sound like a hoon.

and have no idea what you're on about.

you want to make your car illegal cause you cant find another engine? and now go racing at 1am?

cmon man do it properly

[ryanc]

ppl like the OP give us honda drivers a bad name and ppl think of us as 'hoons' because of ppl like the OP

[black8thgen]

if your gonna do this stuff, man just go to the track - safer and prob feels more worth it

[Fung]

it is quite true...as pointed out by stig....

i think you can go track for like a few times a month...with your imported fd2r...
than building your auto Mugen RR which may have a lot of troubles running and even if its drive-able.....dun think RTA or insurance would accept this beast of yours...=[

[liquid23]

how much is it to imported a FD2R for track use only?

[ej20i]

no offence OP, but ur car looks very basic in comparison to what others have done in the forum

[curtis265]

lawl such as urself?

[FDBenni]

waiting for that mugen rr kit and k20 to go in

[Fung]

look....tim just boast off abt his civic LOL
but.....we do wanna see updates OP...

[ej20i]

well not really, like Kevins car was more modded than OP's, black8thgen, Howy,
not just mine!
heehee

[black8thgen]

LOL yea tim man relax hahahaha. just cos u got SEXY RAYS RIMS THAT I WANT =[

[curtis265]

man i could PS mine again haha

[ej20i]

bahHH!!!!
LOL!

[aero]

waiting for that mugen rr kit and k20 to go in

he's told me that he had put an order for the rr kit on tuesday. its not pre-made, so now he's gotta wait for them to make it and ship it over. apparently they've guaranteed him a perfect fit on an fd1, so we'll have to wait and see how it will turn out.

[nny911]

yeah i agree with tim.. no offence but the mods arent anything special most the ppl here have cars looking much cleaner or to say the very least have similar mods..not saying ur mods are nothing...
but i dont believe how overrated this post was, how could u have a thread to urself? so selfish lol..

and when i heard the engine conversion was gonna be 'flappy paddle' first instinct OH NO

"once the whole conversion is complete the only driving this car is going to be doing is 1am on the highway to have fun"

wow all that effort and trouble to get the ur 'perfect project car' and to find that the only time/place ur gonna be pushing it is on the highway at 1am...

not the safest and best place to do personal racing.

epicfail.

[Nathan-Mugen]

lol, of course they arent the greatest photos. and it obviously looks like nothing atm because all it has done is the audio and abit of paint :p. there are still many many things to do and many many things that may or may not be happening. this is a personal project, but it is something i needed quite abit of help with to begin with, hence posting. you are all right, this car will probably have some illegal modifications eventually. and the only time it will ever get to gallop is on the track. But i dont really see this as stupid, I see it as a project and nothing else. Transmission is as yet undecided depending on what i can get and from where. I have just been told that a fd2r halfcut is coming into australia, so it may be a proper 'conversion' and become fully manual.

My family has a cobra that we keep in a garage 364 days a year mostly and only gets seen at shows. This car I wanted to be my 'show' just do things my way and have it look how I want, but the reason I called on everyone here was to make sure the way in which i go about things was correct. This car is a Honda, and i wanted the end product to impress Honda owners. if you have advice, tell me. if you have critique, tell me. if you just plain don't like it, tell me. everyone here can influence the end result. but only I can actually put something into action, and i need all of your help to make sure that the actions that i make keep the Honda spirit first and foremost.

[aero]

my advice is, if u want to keep any credibility and if u really want to "impress Honda owners" is to do things by the book. the thing i called u on before was because u wanted to get an 07 engine in ur 09 car. thats an automatic no no and will give u a lot of hassle later on. if money is not an issue then u should simply wait til u can obtain an 09 k20.

also, auto is boring! even if it is tiptronic. a k20 needs a manual box. shifting gears and hittin teh vtak is very much ftw! the main thing everyone here is waiting on is the engine and its the most important part of this whole project. ur mugen rr kit, sound system and paint job will look sick, but the owners in here would still be impressed if u had a jdm k20a inside a stock fd1.

[Nathan-Mugen]

that is what i am waiting on atm. that halfcut. slowly getting infor, it's only done 13k kms. but still gotta find out year. i can wait for the engine. hey, ya never know, i may have to wait a year or 2 to get one. but still, its the end product that is important, people wouldnt still be driving around ek's if they were worried about the year

[UCNDRM]

this is the first time taking a look at this thread

i kinda feel bad for nathan

so many guys taking a dig at him

i think we should give him some credit for tryna break the mould

wants some jdm style , with some bling and cruisability all rolled into one.

all that and a motor swap on top

this could be a cool end project when all is done and dusted

i say points to nathan for being different

[curtis265]

OP, i'm sorry but this is only happening cos we've been waiting for too long. Ideally u shuda made the thread a lot later... rather than keep the suspense and hype.

[Nathan-Mugen]

thanks man, appreciate that.

[Nathan-Mugen]

i understand for other people it may be hard to visualize something that i have in my mind that may not make sense to them. so when it is all finished then everyone can have their own opinion.

[curtis265]

Yep. I'll be waiting :)

[aero]

give me a call as soon as ur kit gets in!!!1

[ej20i]

OH NO!
im not saying that the OP is full of 5hit and stuff. i really cant wait to see the whole product, yes its good that nathan is trying to do things that most of us can only dream about (rr kit, k20a and things like that). but as curtis says, we have been waiting for so long!!!!
what is your mod list atm?

sorry nathan if u got the impression in the wrong way

[FallenAngel]

as far as i am aware, this should not be too much trouble at all. the engine bays on the type r's are actually a tad smaller than the standard civic, i'm sure it will take abit of work granted. but i am gonna say entirely possible


yeah, i dunno about that........ its a really hard choice. well guys, i have some great news. i have secured the wreck of an 07 AUDM civic type r reallly cheap. gonna strip this and put in the 4 door, the only part of the car that was damaged is the front bumper. engine bay is perfect, seats are perfect, steering wheel, everything. only problem is, it's the K20z. anyone not like these? abit lower horsepower, but still lots of potential

Good luck as you can't register the car as the engine is older than the chassis. So that idea is basically trash. No engineer will do it for you unless u DIY it which (no offence) doesn't seem like something u can do. If you do want a k20/24 of some sort you'd have to find a engine that is newer than your chassis. If you do then you have no probs.


how much is it to imported a FD2R for track use only?

Imported Track Only FD2R can be bought for around <25k

[.k.]

hey, how hard was it to paint the dash? .. could be dumb but i would much rather all black/dark coloured panels then the gay grey (example - aero has the black pleather seats and black interior plastics would set it off)

how hard is it to make the plastic look a 'normal' black?

[ej20i]

just paint em black i guess....
i have no idea actually, ur idea would be good
i wanted to wrap the roof in black suede b4 but northwest custom said it will look dodgy as the pillars are grey

[aero]

SUEDE!! ballerr

[ej20i]

was only 200 aero

[Nathan-Mugen]

hey, my door frames and the bottom part of the dash is black. can kinda see it in one of my pics, i will take a better shot. i hired a company called uticolor to do this. all the door frames and all under the dash and surrounding the upper cluster in black. all up it was $150, looks stock. they use airbrush's.

[black8thgen]

get the pillars done as well tim? that would look so hot, i hate this grey interior shit LOL.

[ej20i]

yea i see it!
looks nice, maybe if we do all black!
hmmm

[.k.]

yeah so long as it looks like a stock black and not too shiny or anything that's the look im after. grey.. who in their right mind chose that as our interior colour scheme wtf

[ej20i]

HONDA OZ!!!
have u seen the JDM FD1 Interior, black, blue,beige, and all different colours!

[ej20i]

oh and smart key!

[Nathan-Mugen]

ok, so i was cruising the spoon website today, and i saw something quite intriguing. http://www.spoonsports.us/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=K20+CTR+Swap can this go in the car, not that i am overly interested. and are they street legal? :S, i would honest rather real jdm k20. but i cannot seem to get specs of these engines anywhere

[Nathan-Mugen]

here is the specs of this particular engine

Specifications
Year 2007
Make Honda
Model Civic TypeR
Engine Location Front
Drive Type FWD
Weight 2700 lbs.
Engine Configuration I
Cylinders 4
Induction NA
Displacement 1999 cc
Horsepower 271 hp @ 6500 RPM
Torque 273 ft-lbs @ 3500 RPM
Transmission Manual
Gears 5
Width 66.8 in
Height 54.1 in
Wheelbase 102.4 in

[Paul1985]

anyone have a clue where i would go to get a new K24a engine?, can my honda dealer get it for me?

If you were bought the sport it prob would have been cheaper in the long run to install a K20A/K24A.

It will be expensive, very expensive. But the K24A would net you some serious gains.

www.k20a.org is the place to be.

also check out..

www.8thcivic.com
Forum dedicated to the model civic you own.

I remember reading a DIY on the K-series into this civic on 8thcivic.
Have a look around IF you are serious although I dont think you will be when you realise the cost of such a swap.

If your after an engine you can try wrecking yards, the honda ones. Also a few of the traders on here can get them for you. Especially JDMYard.

[FallenAngel]

here is the specs of this particular engine

Specifications
Year 2007
Make Honda
Model Civic TypeR
Engine Location Front
Drive Type FWD
Weight 2700 lbs.
Engine Configuration I
Cylinders 4
Induction NA
Displacement 1999 cc
Horsepower 271 hp @ 6500 RPM
Torque 273 ft-lbs @ 3500 RPM
Transmission Manual
Gears 5
Width 66.8 in
Height 54.1 in
Wheelbase 102.4 in

I assume this is a K20? because of the displacement... but why does it have 5 gears? It should have 6. Also is the gearbox included or is it engine only? Can't really tell by the info.. Seems like you're describing a car rather a engine.

[Nathan-Mugen]

hey fallen, the engine i am describing is indeed a k20, it's the one from my previous post http://www.spoonsports.us/ProductDet...e=K20+CTR+Swap a spoon modified k20

[Nathan-Mugen]

type r seats purchased. pictures hopefully Friday.

[ekdez]

i dare you to take a picture and upload it.

[Stig]

lol im pretty sure he will once he gets it cos i know for a fact that he has fd2r seats comming his way

[Nathan-Mugen]

haha ekdez :p. yeah. i promise Friday so long as the shipping company is quick :p. if not i will post it the day i get them.

[UCNDRM]

so these seats are going from one cool civic to another

and both black

the seats will think they never left

[ej20i]

was going to get those R seats!it was so cheap for what they are......still regretting that i didnt make the purchase at top one!

[Nathan-Mugen]

epic comment DRM, gave me a good chuckle.

[Nathan-Mugen]

chairs failed to arrive, damn the modern day freight system!!! *shakes fist*, oh well. hopefully tomorrow, i am certain road freight still comes Saturdays.....maybe

[aero]

lewl.

[Fung]

pics plz

[Nathan-Mugen]

ok, chairs are finally here. holding off to put in until the red carpet is done. but as promised, here are some pics.

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/5474/img0418su.jpg (http://img269.imageshack.us/i/img0418su.jpg/) http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/img0418su.jpg/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img269/img0418su.jpg/1/)http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9136/img0419vm.jpg (http://img132.imageshack.us/i/img0419vm.jpg/) http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/img0419vm.jpg/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img132/img0419vm.jpg/1/)
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5343/img0420bv.jpg (http://img41.imageshack.us/i/img0420bv.jpg/) http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/img0420bv.jpg/1/w480.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img41/img0420bv.jpg/1/)
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/3898/img0421i.jpg (http://img109.imageshack.us/i/img0421i.jpg/) http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/img0421i.jpg/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img109/img0421i.jpg/1/)

[ej20i]

bahhH!!!!
ur making me so jelez!!!

[warwick108]

what are those white stains on the red part? next to the cruch area?

[aero]

very nice bro!

[Nathan-Mugen]

i tried my best to remove any white stains, obviously didn't try hard enough :(

[J-Spec23]

Updates!? =D
what have you done since 10/11/09 hahaha

[UCNDRM]

hey nathan

are the red carpets in yet dude

eager to see how tough it will look with the Type R seats

pics bro

[Nathan-Mugen]

red carpet not in yet, the whole interior is being done just after christmas, roof, floors, back seats, doors, dash

[Mugen_B16B]

rich boy coming through

cant wait to see this
lol i agree right here, go the chromies

[J-Spec23]

red carpet not in yet, the whole interior is being done just after christmas, roof, floors, back seats, doors, dash

update me :D

[CivicVTI]

What's the button to the right of "VSA OFF"?

[J-Spec23]

traction control off

[curtis265]

he asked, 'to the right of VSA OFF'

[UCNDRM]

to answer the question, it could be anything from a set of aftermarket foglights, to an aftermarket alarm sensor, they may even be empty

throw on a photo and we can tell u!