NSWSS Round 7 Eastern Creek: BYP Civic set new benchmark for all FWD Honda's *1:46.1

[Benson]

It was another beautiful Sunday for Round 7 which was held at Eastern Creek

After an eventful Round 6 at Oran Park where the car endure new green graphics on the driver side door and fender, a shakedown practice day yesterday helped make sure all was good for today's Round 7, even though 35-40cars on the track didnt helped quick lap times.

It was nice to see the usual variety of cars out for Round 7 with the special appreance from the guys at Hi-Octane/Advan in there very quick R34 GTR

For this round,we decided to have a double entry with the inclusion of my brother as the second driver for this Round (its only fair that he enjoy's the car as well). He did a good job with his only second time out and the first time out with this car at Eastern Creek with a 1:49.5.

With the Champsionship close to be in the bag, new goals and limits where set for the round. Ultimately we want to beat our previous pb of 1:47.5 (Round 4) and also beat Jacky Yick's official Eastern Creek time of 1:46.1215. Sporting a retune during the week, and trying out the Toyo's R888's the car has set the new record and benchmark for all FWD Honda's with a 1:46.117 (sorry jacky we just nip ya! :p)

Car was awesome in the first 2 very important session where track temp and tyre pressure were the key factors into setting a fast lap time. Thanks to Jason (fellow EVO 8MR driver) who have helped assist and advised us on the ideal toyo r888's tyre pressure. Ultimately the car set the quickest lap on lap 6

In terms of engine performance, we all know how brutal Eastern Creek is on the engine. With the extra power discovered through tuning the car is certainly on song ringing the engine down the straight maxing the speed at 220-225kph. I think the speed the car shown down the straight has certainly backed up its power output on the dyno ;)

At the end of the day, car was towed off the track due to ONE tps wire being anal and coming lose. Nonetheless it was good to see the likes of 2 r35GTR's chasing one another from the slideline. That ruin the run, with some ideal track temps for one last dash for that all inclusive 1:45's. We never know what could have been, but the car is more than capable's of 1:45's. Who know's we might be knocking on the 1:44's in the near future :p

Our car has proven many people wrong, in terms of engine performance and reliability. Time and time again this year we have done what many have tried. Running close to a stock drivetrain (stock ITR gearbox with a cusco LSD) and stock B20 sleeves has change the minds of some critics. With the addition of close gear sets from a sponsors in the near future, who knows how much more improvement can be achieved.

Once again, Thanks to all involved with the BYP Honda Civic :thumbsup:

- BYP Crew - esp JokerRichie
- Dave (B20vtec engine builder/developer)
- Scott (VIPEC developement/tuner)
- Special Project Motors (Sponsors)

To sum it all up, 1st in Class 3B and 11th Overall

http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?02/08/2009.ARDC.S1

[I heart the SSS]

+1 guys.. unstoppable!

[STiR]

That's fantastic stuff. GO TOYO

[TODA AU]

Well done Benny... :thumbsup:
Well done...

[dasicvtec]

Good work, i was out there today and had a look when the cars where coming down the straight, its was very fast :)

Just wondering, Do you know what the the record for a FWD car is on eastern creek ? Basically, anything goes (in terms of modifications) but it has to be a fwd.

[Benson]

Just wondering, Do you know what the the record for a FWD car is on eastern creek ? Basically, anything goes (in terms of modifications) but it has to be a fwd.

The benchmark was Jacky Yicks Honda Civic EK 1:46.1215.

In terms of classes, we have now set the record in the 3B Class which is 1600cc-2000cc (capacity) and within the 3J rules. If your keen on what the rules are, simply PM me

[fatboyz39]

Go toyo r888

[MikeyG]

nice work fellas :):)

[kriZy]

Nice work again guys.
Too bad I couldn't make it to watch you guys.

[vinnY]

nice one guys
must be those green graphics making it faster ;)

[beeza]

Congrats mate!

[echoman]

The benchmark was Jacky Yicks Honda Civic EK 1:46.1215.

In terms of classes, we have now set the record in the 3B Class which is 1600cc-2000cc (capacity) and within the 3J rules. If your keen on what the rules are, simply PM me


WTF... i dont agree, this car as is could not be logged 3j.

so yes i would love a pm explaining to me how it is a legal 3j car.

but in saying that, i appreciate the effort you guys have put in and the speed that it puts out.

keep up the great work! :wave:

[tseesinngwailo]

Congrats guys, some pikks would be cool!

[fatboyz39]

WTF... i dont agree, this car as is could not be logged 3j.

so yes i would love a pm explaining to me how it is a legal 3j car.

but in saying that, i appreciate the effort you guys have put in and the speed that it puts out.

keep up the great work! :wave:

Damn dont we all love haters. You join the ozhonda forums today and already one direct post at us. :wave:

How about you download the supersprints regs and have a read it for yourself. Oh wait here is link.

http://www.jscc.asn.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=59:2009-nsw-cams-supersprint-championship&catid=10:cams-page&Itemid=49

[fatboyz39]

Congrats guys, some pikks would be cool!

Pictures will be up later tonight.:thumbsup:

[echoman]

no no,i congratulate them on a superior effort.

i dont need to read the rules, i know them personally. and the first rule that springs to mind is the weight penalty incured in a ' late model ' log booked car is, if you change the engine of designation for a particular model vehicle you must run to a minimum weight.

are they?

aerodynamical aids is the next one that springs to mind, where in the rules does it allow to run a diffuser under the rear of the car? and the front splitter has a minimum allowance off 100mm from the ground.

next one is tyres, etc etc etc.

i dont have a problem with these guys running as a 3j car in super sprinting, i have already stated that with encouraging words, my problem is comparing the car as an official 3j when it would not be eligable to gain a 3j log book as is. thats all. to compare to jacky's car and think they are legitamently quicker in a 3j capacity is an insult to jacky, but knowing jacky personally i know he wouldnt take it personally because he understands the rules within 3j.

i believe this car has the capacity to be brought inline with 3j rules and still do the times, i just dont think its right to compare apples with oranges. thats all.

i have been following the byp car all year watching the results and its a full credit to them as the car is a weapon, dave flood has done an awesome job with the engine and they guys have set it up well. full credit to them. it only bothers me to compare something like this and its not fact.

sorry to rain on your parade but thats how i feel, free country remember?

regards :wave:

[Benson]

Our car has been the quicker car all season in our level of competition. With our competitor retiring due to work and family commitment like everyone else, we have re-align our goals and targets for the year.

Everyone knows the ultimate benchmark has been Jacky Yick's Pro-concpet EK civic for a few years now. The plan this year was to get as close to Jacky's lap time as possible. The car's performance has exceeded everyone's expectation. We as a team werent expecting the car to be this quick.

Yes i do agree that Jacky's car was complying with the 3J rules to race in IPRA. But you gotta understand at the end of day lap times does the talking. His car is a race car, our car is street registered so their is restriction from both vehicles if you want to look at it in that technical way.

"i just dont think its right to compare apples with oranges" I would say both cars are somewhat similar in specification. Pro-concept has been around for a while and has spent more time and money developing Jacky's car. You gotta remember that we have only been doing this for 2 years which at the same time when the car was built for weekend track duties.

We are a small budgeted team who is trying to maximise what the budget can offer. If we have a major sponsor from a well-known branded workshop (i.e spoon, mugen, Toda) it would be expected the car perform or live up to that expectation.

If there is any workshop who wants to support and sponsor us, feel free to send me a PM.

Like you said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so here is mind, Track time does the talking. Most people will ask, what car and what engine. That all people want to know. Same thing applies to drag racing.

If you can build a FWD Honda on a limited budget and come to compete and beat our lap records, ill congrats you

[jords]

Back on topic.....Well done guys,

How was your drive Jimmy?

[hussLEr]

Congrats once again Benny and Jimmy. :thumbsup:

Sorry couldn't make it again to spectate. Was in the 'gong with the missus.

Next time *fingers crossed*

ps. when and where is the next event?

[echoman]

Our car has been the quicker car all season in our level of competition. With our competitor retiring due to work and family commitment like everyone else, we have re-align our goals and targets for the year.

Everyone knows the ultimate benchmark has been Jacky Yick's Pro-concpet EK civic for a few years now. The plan this year was to get as close to Jacky's lap time as possible. The car's performance has exceeded everyone's expectation. We as a team werent expecting the car to be this quick.

Yes i do agree that Jacky's car was complying with the 3J rules to race in IPRA. But you gotta understand at the end of day lap times does the talking. His car is a race car, our car is street registered so their is restriction from both vehicles if you want to look at it in that technical way.

"i just dont think its right to compare apples with oranges" I would say both cars are somewhat similar in specification. Pro-concept has been around for a while and has spent more time and money developing Jacky's car. You gotta remember that we have only been doing this for 2 years which at the same time when the car was built for weekend track duties.

We are a small budgeted team who is trying to maximise what the budget can offer. If we have a major sponsor from a well-known branded workshop (i.e spoon, mugen, Toda) it would be expected the car perform or live up to that expectation.

If there is any workshop who wants to support and sponsor us, feel free to send me a PM.

Like you said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so here is mind, Track time does the talking. Most people will ask, what car and what engine. That all people want to know. Same thing applies to drag racing.

If you can build a FWD Honda on a limited budget and come to compete and beat our lap records, ill congrats you

i am not discrediting you guys,your car or your ability.

everybody has a long story to tell about where they came from and what they have done, but this is not the point of what i am saying.

i am merely stating that i feel you are incorrect in saying that your car qualifies as 3j, if the rules are read and followed correctly.

from a lap time perspective,yes your car is an animal, full respect to you.

one last thing, jacky does not hold the lap record at eastern creek by the way, and you have not yet beaten that. but i am sure you will.

regards :wave:

[DNYALL]

killin it!! nice work.

[82911]

Just to set the record straight.
ECHOMAN IS NOT SLAZ....

Congratulations on a great time Fella's.
And just quietly... a lot of people are noticing you guys now.. But not always for the "right reasons";)
I think you might be better off if you didn't draw comparison between your car (3B Sprint spec) and a full blown 3J IPRA car. Then your threads won't always end up the same way!:)
Once again... well done on what must have been a wild ride!

Cheers Greg..

[Slaz]

^ SLAZ! Thats you isnt it?

No Andrew its not me, why just as someone on here is stating facts like i do and it doesnt go with the crowd, it must be me is it?

It is however good to see someone else on hear who actually knows the rules and how some cars arnt within them, or what they should be compared to, as they shouldnt be as has been mentioned many of times here by racers who actually race.

Maybe you should have a read of the rules they run under and what is and isnt fitted to some of these cars then comment, how bout that?

The BYP boys have and will im sure continue with their current form as they are putting more time and effort in then anyone else they are against, so credit where credit is due and has been given all along.

Thanks for your comments Greg, it really aint worth it alot of the time on here.

Welcome Echoman, 1 rep point to you for telling it how it is and actually knowing what your talking about. :thumbsup:

[EuroAccord13]

Last I read, this thread is about Benson and his track car, not who is SLAZ and what not...

Keep on topic or I'll close this thread + perhaps even points for unrelated spamming..

[fatboyz39]

Back on topic.....Well done guys,

How was your drive Jimmy?

Wasnt too bad man. Only manage a 1.49.5 which i was happy with as i set a goal for sub 50's. First session put me off as i went off turn 4 then miss a gear, fastest time was like 1.57:(. Wasnt concentrating at all.
Sat out for 2 session studying the track LOL then got back in the car and done the fast time.

I've only done 10-15lap @ EC so its not too bad :angel:

[Benson]

Its funny how its the same people that seems to be stirring the pot

Look i won't say much now, but wait until this season is over

Yeah ok, our car doesnt technically qualifies for 3J IPRA rules (No Shit! we need the obvious, a ROLL CAGE) but the car certainly applies to 3J Supersprints rules.

And No Greg, no one is noticing us for the wrong reason. Its only a small group of you guys. You know who you are. Our car has been one that stands out in the paddock at every Supersprint event. We are collecting some Outright points (top 10 position out of 110 entrants) at every event in which many have tried. Talk to anyone in the paddock and see what their views are on our CAR and the TEAM!

For all the HATERS, grow UP!

[tinkerbell]

and also leading the JSCC Circuit Racing Championship by 11 points :)

[82911]

Benson, you will not drag me into this.
I merely stated what i have noticed happening around the padock at state events. People are COMING TO ME to bitch and moan about your team and it's arrogance and blatant flaunting of rule breaches.
LET ME BE CLEAR HERE....
I don't care what you do. I also tell these people the same.
I simply offered a bit of FRIENDLY advice because you guys are young and might not realize some of the bridges that you are damaging, bridges you will need to rebuild if you ever come over to IPRA racing.
Please feel free to PM me if you wish to discuss further

Regards Greg..

[fatboyz39]

and also leading the JSCC Circuit Racing Championship by 11 points :)

Hell yeah. Great News for JSCC:thumbsup:

[fatboyz39]

BYP Civic wont cross that bridge to IPRA U2L. Car looks to nice to get bang up haha.

Mayb you IPRA lads should come to Supersprint and have a few squirts at it. See how it stacks up aye.

[EuroAccord13]

SLAZ....
What I'm referring to as SPAM has nothing to do you YOUR LEGITIMATE CONSTRUCTIVE questioning of the car in question.

[STiR]

All this talk is rubbish. Great times put down by people who are passionate about going fast. That's good enough for me.

[fatboyz39]

Some pictures. Photographer "Time" on clubtir.

http://www.dabrera.com/JSCC/SS020809/JSCC_SSR7_020809_03.jpg

http://www.dabrera.com/JSCC/SS020809/JSCC_SSR7_020809_04.jpg

http://www.dabrera.com/JSCC/SS020809/JSCC_SSR7_020809_10.jpg

http://www.dabrera.com/JSCC/SS020809/JSCC_SSR7_020809_13.jpg

[Benson]

Benson, you will not drag me into this.
I merely stated what i have noticed happening around the padock at state events. People are COMING TO ME to bitch and moan about your team and it's arrogance and blatant flaunting of rule breaches.
LET ME BE CLEAR HERE....
I don't care what you do. I also tell these people the same.
I simply offered a bit of FRIENDLY advice because you guys are young and might not realize some of the bridges that you are damaging, bridges you will need to rebuild if you ever come over to IPRA racing.
Please feel free to PM me if you wish to discuss further

Regards Greg..

Thats funny Greg. Why are we noticed when we don't even compete, let alone watch a single State IPRA round?. You guys need to ease up abit, getting a little to defensive because you guys are doing IPRA which is meant to be the next bigger step in Motorsport.

If you guys do attend a SUPERSPRINT Round you would see that its creating more attention in the community. More more cars are coming out which is great exposure for the organiser of Supersprints.

Its quite flattering to know that news of the car performance is getting around the community.

Not quite sure why people would bitch and moan about our team and it's arrogance and blatant flaunting of rule breaches. Can you please SIR point out whats wrong with our car and where it breaches the rule?

The bitching and moan, hmm i think im putting that down to just plain jealousy. Jealous is a sense why our car is so quick compared to all other decked out Honda? It's a small Honda community, so yes i know whats news and whats floating around out there. People tell us we are quick and impressed with the car.

And Yes as Jimmy said, if there is a tension between us and other teams or workshops, so be it. We have nothing to prove and our result speak for themselves. Our car will NEVER be an IPRA car. Its solely built for time attack in its respected class and comply with the rules associated. So if the bridges are broken, who cares. Even if we decide to compete in IPRA with another car, i know what i will be doing:zip:

[DvS-]

i was gona come down to spectate and take some snaps.. but got caught up with something else :(

congrats on the times and all. might see you at the next round :)

[echoman]

i'll open a can of worms.....does this car need a bore and stroke check to make sure its 2lt before a trophy gets handed out??!!

hahaha :wave:

[bennjamin]

i'll open a can of worms.....does this car need a bore and stroke check to make sure its 2lt before a trophy gets handed out??!!

hahaha :wave:

i dont want to push this any further - but are you accusing the boyz of cheating in their class ? IE running a larger than 2.0 in a 2.0 block - this has no place here but trolling and bitching. If you have an issue about it...take it up with the organisers to look into it.

[82911]

I'm just going to give up...
Your not listening and obviously blinded by your moderate success.
Good luck with your future plans.

[.::F[L]Y::.]

So much bitching and hating....

Tends to be that way when one team tends to be getting the right results, people begin to nit pick and speculate. Its generally just human nature i guess. Furthermore, dont try to hide this and call it 'constructive critism/advice' its just Bullshit and I'm sure those who follow these threads can begin to see a trend.

The BYP guys do their utmost to help others around the place, providing information and sharing some knowledge. For instance on the weekend one of the evo boys rooted his coilover, fatboy was amongst one of the few to help him out. Doesnt seem like the attitude of an arrogant person now does it?

As for all this talking, no need to keep replying back and forth with the same shit that has been occurring in every thread. Why do you guys feel the need to voice this on a public forum? If you have some issues which are deeply troubling you or you have issues with the car why not just come down and have a look at it yourself?? Its always at a SS event and I'm sure the guys would be more than accomadating to put your suspicisions to rest.

End of the day, Times do the talking and bulshit just walks.....

[fatboyz39]

i'll open a can of worms.....does this car need a bore and stroke check to make sure its 2lt before a trophy gets handed out??!!

hahaha :wave:

Please put in a protest against us then because anytime you would like to put your money where your mouth is we will remove the head infront of a cams official and have him check the bore and stroke for you 89mm stroke 84.5mm bore there really is nothing special about this setup.

[geeang]

Nevermind the people having a silly cry

http://www.dabrera.com/JSCC/SS020809/JSCC_SSR7_020809_04.jpg

Check out that GTR's bodyroll! woooooooooooooooooooooo AALL ABOOOARRD

[DLO01]

Well done guys. Great work. :thumbsup:

[Benson]

i'll open a can of worms.....does this car need a bore and stroke check to make sure its 2lt before a trophy gets handed out??!!

hahaha :wave:

Your kidding right? Pay for the engine to be pulled apart and ill gladly do it

This level of motorsport is base on integrity. I think we got some level of integrity with the parts used on the car. No need to hide anything.

Maybe if our laptimes are slower, then i guess you won't be questioning this right?

[zco]

holy shitt... this thread is full of girls

[.::F[L]Y::.]

holy shitt... this thread is full of girls

that time of the month you know :p

[Cooker]

This is not a hatter post haha
Just some observations I have noted.



We as a team werent expecting the car to be this quick.

Yes i do agree that Jacky's car was complying with the 3J rules to race in IPRA. But you gotta understand at the end of day lap times does the talking. His car is a race car, our car is street registered so their is restriction from both vehicles if you want to look at it in that technical way.


Just cos you got a rego sticker on your car doesn't mean its road legal lol
And just cos it doesn't have a cage doesn't mean its not a race car lol

IPRA cars are alot more heavily restricted then most people think. The rollcage in an IPRA car alone weighs over 40kg approx (yes it does add stiffnes but 40kg is 40kg)
Also no carbon is allowed. in 2L class no wider then 7" (or 7.5" i think) rims etc etc and the list of there restrictions go on and on.
Oh and IPRA lap time records are only counted DURING the race. Sprints are pretty much just qualifying. You only have to set 1 good lap. Everyone knows your lap times during a race are generally slower then your qualifying.
IPRA is PROPER racing. Lemans, Formula 1, V8S is not just qualifying seeing who does the fastest lap (like sprints) but racing door to door and the winner is the one that crosses the line after a battle with other cars over X amount of laps. Thats the ultimate!!!

A sprint car SHOULD be quicker then an IPRA car, beating an IPRA car is nothing to be happy about, its whats expected.

So if you make your car to IPRA specs you will be slower then Jackys car in your cars current guise.




Pro-concept has been around for a while and has spent more time and money developing Jacky's car. You gotta remember that we have only been doing this for 2 years which at the same time when the car was built for weekend track duties.

We are a small budgeted team who is trying to maximise what the budget can offer. If we have a major sponsor from a well-known branded workshop (i.e spoon, mugen, Toda) it would be expected the car perform or live up to that expectation.

Um not necessarily. You can the most hollywood parts on your car and not know how to set it up etc and you won't be quick. Alot of the time the fastest cars out there ARE backyard cars but owned by people that know how to set up cars.
Take my EG civic as an example, I have the lap record in street car U2L and my engine (B16a gen1) is predominantly only using Honda parts right down to the exhaust which is DC2R with a aftermarket muffler. My car is mega backyard job haha
Its not what you have on your car but how good a driver you are and how good you are at setting a car up and adjusting your settings during the day to suit the changing conditions.

Also I dunno why you are in love with the TOYO's. They ok, easy to drive on but crap for fastest lap times. Your car obviously has so much potential if you set the lap record with TOYOS. Change your tyres to something decent and you will see sub 1.46's easy.

As a Sprint car, your car is awesome, keep up the improvements and developments but please do not compare IPRA to Sprint.
The speeds your car is reaching is INSANE!!!!!!

[Benson]

Some of the point i do agree, some i don't.

Who said im happy with beating a IPRA car?. I merely said our car has netted a quicker lap time than Jacky's. Im in fact now chasing my own record for the later half of this year. As i said, we got a few more things to settled before the battle is over for this season of racing

I wouldnt say they are the worst semi-slicks. Just depends on how well the car can use the tyres. Fortunate enough our car can suit to most semislicks available.

Yes i know the potential of the car if we have had used the Advan's O48's. Oh wells, there is always a next time.

For everyone sakes, I won't mention IPRA again. Gets a few people nervous

[jdm_b16a]

As some of you might know I competed in IPRA Under 2 Litres in 2006 in a basically stock EG6 in the 1600cc class. I built the car myself from an imported chassis using the standard B16A with an OGURA clutch, TIEN coilovers and a custom exhaust as the only performance mods. My car used the standard brake package and Bendix metal pads - one set all year. Before my year in IPRA I spent several years in Sports Sedans, competing, in administration, even President of the ASSANSW one year. I took an active role in the organisation of the Club and defended the rights of the 'small guy' when the more cashed up of our fellow competitors decided to force through rule changes to the detriment of others without consultation. So I take special interest in the rules by which we are meant to abide, irregardless of the category.

I know the IPRA rules quite well as do most people competing in the category. You have to know the rules to know how to 'bend' them to your benefit. The interpretation of many of them is such that each competitor has a different implementation of them on his or her car. And the scrutineers know this - they have their own interpretations too - that's where all the arguments begin in the Scrutineering Bay on race days.

A common misconception is that it is a level playing field. I don't think it was (is). Each competitor takes every other competitor at their word when it comes to car preparation and implementation of the rules - that is the Australian way. No-one likes to think someone is cheating even though many will openly discuss it and make allegations.

Cars can be unwittingly 'illegal' and they can be 'illegal' by design. People have been 'bending the rules' (I'm not going to use the "c" word) for years at all levels of motorsport. Nothing new there. It doesn't do anyone any good to be precious about this. Better to just walk away.

I had a Mazda R100 which had been professionally built in Tasmania by a well-known national identity. It competed at National events against the likes of Bob Jane, John Bowe and others. Over the years it changed hands a few times and was rebuilt/upgraded/modified by its respective owners. I only had it a short time when I was pulled over at Scrutineering at Oran Park because the windscreen was undersized - the lexan sheet wasn't deemed thick enough. I didn't know but I had to change it before they would let me compete again. Nothing sinister there - I just assumed that because it had competed for so many years 'as is' it must be legal.

For several years there were rumours floating around that some competitors were using traction control. This extended to the V8s at one point. Those who knew how to program computers boasted of how easy it was to load and unload illegal code so the scrutineers couldn't detect it. I don't know how true the allegations were, they were of no concern to me as winning isn't everything. Yes, believe it or not, for some people, winning is everything irregardless of the cost.

Now about those 3J rules. Download them and read them, then you are better equipped to pass comment.

http://www.camsmanual.com.au/02_race.asp#3rd

Let me give you an example:

13.4 Carpet and interior trim: Floor carpet and associated “underfelt”, roof lining and interior trim down to the lower edge of the windows, and consoles on the transmission tunnel may be removed. All other padding, quilting and interior trim must be retained as original. It is permitted to reupholster components of interior trim.

This area is a real can of worms. Why? Because there are several interpretations of what constitutes compliance with this rule. To me it is very clear - you have to retain the original door trims from the lower edge of the window down [to the floor].

So which of the following are legal?

I take the door trims off and

(1) replace them with thin aluminium sheets.

(2) replace them with thin aluminium sheets covered in vinyl to make them look like the original trims.

(3) replace them with carbon fibre replicas.

I don't think any of these are legal yet they have all been in evidence on IPRA cars over the years.

So, if you're concerned about people cheating (oops, sorry I used the "c" word), get over it. There's little you can do about it and it is a fact of life when competing. To others there are degrees of rule bending; some rules can be bent, others maybe not. Weird hey but that's the way it is. So don't get worked up over whether someone's car is legal or not. Just go and enjoy the racing, if that's what you want to do. If not, don't go. Do something else with your time. I do!

Peter

[jdm_b16a]

Your kidding right? Pay for the engine to be pulled apart and ill gladly do it

Only a fellow competitor can lodge a protest against another competitor. It has to be done in writing, addressed to the Stewards at the circuit on the day, with a full indication of the rules that may have been broken, and a fee has to be paid.

The protested car is immediately impounded and if the engine is the subject of the protest the engine is dismantled and checked. The protester has no right to be present at the investigation.

But the most important rule is:

Part XII of the General NCRs ...

(iv) Any disassembly, re-assembly and examination costs as determined by the Stewards of the Meeting shall be payable by the unsuccessful party.

So if you make a protest and the Stewards deem everything is legal, you pay all the costs. If the Stewards find something illegal the car owner pays all costs.

Peter

[Cooker]

Thats all well and nice but the BYP civic is a sprint car not an IPRA car so nearly all of this does not apply.

[fatboyz39]

Only a fellow competitor can lodge a protest against another competitor. It has to be done in writing, addressed to the Stewards at the circuit on the day, with a full indication of the rules that may have been broken, and a fee has to be paid.

The protested car is immediately impounded and if the engine is the subject of the protest the engine is dismantled and checked. The protester has no right to be present at the investigation.

But the most important rule is:

Part XII of the General NCRs ...

(iv) Any disassembly, re-assembly and examination costs as determined by the Stewards of the Meeting shall be payable by the unsuccessful party.

So if you make a protest and the Stewards deem everything is legal, you pay all the costs. If the Stewards find something illegal the car owner pays all costs.

Peter


So who is up for the protest? Motor is for sale for $10 000, pay that and truth lies in there.

[Benson]

Thats all well and nice but the BYP civic is a sprint car not an IPRA car so nearly all of this does not apply.

Well the car doesnt fully comply with all of 3J rules to make it fit for IPRA. But it does comply with 3J rules under Supersprint format

[Cooker]

I meant there is no point telling you the IPRA specific rules as you don't race in IPRA.

[Benson]

Yeh we dont need to know

People are just having a whinge about it

Maybe we should build a IPRA car and show them how its done? :p

[Alfred_DC5R]

Maybe we should build a IPRA car and show them how its done? :p

I think you should, do it.

[Benson]

Someone swing me 30k and ill make it the quickest U2L car

[jdm_b16a]

Thats all well and nice but the BYP civic is a sprint car not an IPRA car so nearly all of this does not apply.


I meant there is no point telling you the IPRA specific rules as you don't race in IPRA.


Yeh we dont need to know

People are just having a whinge about it

Maybe we should build a IPRA car and show them how its done? :p

If you are referring to my original post where I made some general observations about 'rules per se' then yes you are right - none of it applies to your car specifically. However, if you took on board the point I was trying to make then, yes, it does apply.

If, however, you are referring to the protest rules then you should read the post again as I quoted from the NCRs not the IPRA section of the CAMS Manual. The NCRs apply to everyone competing in organised motorsport in Australia, whether it be Supersprints or IPRA or V8Supercars!

Peter

[Benson]

Peter, thanks for all the information. I was referring it to the 'others'

[geeang]

Holy cow some people need to get over themselves (not you jdm_b16a, your info is great)

[Alfred_DC5R]

Someone swing me 30k and ill make it the quickest U2L car

You say you've pretty much wrapped up the SS championship this year, what are your goals for next year? Will you continue to compete in SS?

[ginganggooly]

ROFL. This place hasn't changed one bit.

Anyway... farking quick and consistent. Congrats fellas, job well done :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[fatboyz39]

Benny has been offered a drive and the team the use of a IPRA logged and legal Honda it was a front running NSW car a few years ago and does not see much use these days so you just never know we might run 2 cars for the rest of the year.

[.::F[L]Y::.]

i guess one positive of this thread is that it has brought some attention to IPRA lol

[jdm_b16a]

Well, good luck guys. Its a brave step up from Supersprints (in terms of competition and dollars) but you will enjoy it, especially if you have competitive car(s). I don't go out to the track these days but I'll keep an eye out on the Natsoft results.

"IPRA logged and legal Honda" Is it a Civic or an Integra? Can you tell us?

Peter

[fatboyz39]

Well, good luck guys. Its a brave step up from Supersprints (in terms of competition and dollars) but you will enjoy it, especially if you have competitive car(s). I don't go out to the track these days but I'll keep an eye out on the Natsoft results.

"IPRA logged and legal Honda" Is it a Civic or an Integra? Can you tell us?

Peter
Peter the car is a Civic you know the car it was driven by some very high profile drivers in the past.

[jdm_b16a]

Peter the car is a Civic you know the car it was driven by some very high profile drivers in the past.

Is it an EG Sedan? That will narrow it down. If its a hatch, that makes it a bit harder! :confused:

Peter

[Benson]

Is it an EG Sedan? That will narrow it down. If its a hatch, that makes it a bit harder! :confused:

Peter

Yes EG sedan ;)

[Benson]

You say you've pretty much wrapped up the SS championship this year, what are your goals for next year? Will you continue to compete in SS?

We have pretty much dominated in our class 3B and Type 3. Closest rivals are couple of seconds behind, so i dont think we are threaten by any chance. We have pretty much smashed all records held by last year (2008) 3B Champions and have prove our point to a certain extent.

We will do SS again next year. Its one of the best places to be on the weekend. Nice and friendly atmosphere with no pressure at all. Plan is to go even quicker and make the car a benchmark :honda:

[echoman]

this has been great! nothing like a little heated discussion, keep up the great work boys.

:wave:

ps: you got big shoes to fill considering leanne tander has driven that car you are refering too. good luck with it.

[barefootbonzai]

First of all, great work guys. First day I've been on ozhonda for a while, and what do you know it just reminds me of why I don't come on here anymore.

F cuk all the haters. so many nut sacks.

[jdm_b16a]

Ooh ooh ooh!

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s40/infotechplus/racing/pp.jpg

Peter

[fatboyz39]

More pics\

http://www.jpmphoto.com.au/Galleries/ardc_SS_02_08_09/images/020809JPM_094.jpg


http://www.jpmphoto.com.au/Galleries/ardc_SS_02_08_09/images/020809JPM_371.jpg

[Alfred_DC5R]

We have pretty much dominated in our class 3B and Type 3. Closest rivals are couple of seconds behind, so i dont think we are threaten by any chance. We have pretty much smashed all records held by last year (2008) 3B Champions and have prove our point to a certain extent.

We will do SS again next year. Its one of the best places to be on the weekend. Nice and friendly atmosphere with no pressure at all. Plan is to go even quicker and make the car a benchmark :honda:

ok - are you gonna stay in 3B next yr and attempt to win that championship or (Type 3 championship) ?

[tinkerbell]

ok - are you gonna stay in 3B next yr and attempt to win that championship or (Type 3 championship) ?

well, since they are leading Type 3 championship right now, 10 points in front of the closest competitor - Holden SS Torana - class 3D

i guess you might need to re-phrase your question?

i.e. the only level higher that they can win the is outright championship...

[Benson]

well, since they are leading Type 3 championship right now, 10 points in front of the closest competitor - Holden SS Torana - class 3D

i guess you might need to re-phrase your question?

i.e. the only level higher that they can win the is outright championship...

Spot on Tinks

I think Outright will be out of reach now, there are too many quality cars out there these days. We'll do our best as always to be place within the top 10

[Benson]

ok - are you gonna stay in 3B next yr and attempt to win that championship or (Type 3 championship) ?

Championship doesnt mean much to us anymore. We just want those quick laptimes :)

[grumpy rooster]

You didn't tape the front properly. It needs to be fully sealed off to work best. How much did it improve your lap times by? :)

[Benson]

Didnt do much. We had to tape the bonnet down. One of the official didnt like the idea or one bonnet pin

[moo moo nel]

...also beat Jacky Yick's official Eastern Creek time of 1:46.1215. Sporting a retune during the week, and trying out the Toyo's R888's the car has set the new record and benchmark for all FWD Honda's with a 1:46.117 (sorry jacky we just nip ya! :p)

Keep in mind Jacky's EK4 was simply running a B16B + 1.8 stroker kit pulling 126kwatw only.

but anyway yeah your civic is the fastest FWD now and make us the VTEC owners feel proud :cool:

Keep it going!!! :thumbsup:

[FLICK]

Keep in mind Jacky's EK4 was simply running a B16B + 1.8 stroker kit pulling 128kwatw only.

but anyway yeah your civic is the fastest FWD now and make us the VTEC owners feel proud :cool:

Keep it going!!! :thumbsup:

And yeah a EK. Makes you wonder whether you can do those times if you were driving Jacky's car.

[moo moo nel]

And yeah a EK. Makes you wonder whether you can do those times if you were driving Jacky's car.


Andrew it's not too late if you wanna have a try...:p

http://www.my105.com.au/classified.asp?id=10763

[FLICK]

Andrew it's not too late if you wanna have a try...:p

http://www.my105.com.au/classified.asp?id=10763

Nelson...Im on a mission with my car. Stay tuned. Apparently thats sold already

[Cooker]

Yep sold to a guy in W.A.
Can't wait till it comes out at Barbagallos, I'll compare the times to my car lol

[Benson]

Keep in mind Jacky's EK4 was simply running a B16B + 1.8 stroker kit pulling 126kwatw only.

but anyway yeah your civic is the fastest FWD now and make us the VTEC owners feel proud :cool:

Keep it going!!! :thumbsup:

Jacky's is a very good driver. He has many years of experience over our team. His car is much more developed than compared to our car. Im sure with more time and experience our car and driver will be at the same performance level

As a team, we just want to show the Honda community that our car is representing a simple track build that could lap quick lap times up there with the other big boys

[FLICK]

Jacky's is a very good driver. He has many years of experience over our team. His car is much more developed than compared to our car. Im sure with more time and experience our car and driver will be at the same performance level

As a team, we just want to show the Honda community that our car is representing a simple track build that could lap quick lap times up there with the other big boys

Come on benson. its hardly a simple track build. No need to discredit yourself. Im sure theres alot of research and development has gone into the car, why else would you be selling a b20 for 9k. Thats not simple.

[bennjamin]

Come on benson. its hardly a simple track build. No need to discredit yourself. Im sure theres alot of research and development has gone into the car, why else would you be selling a b20 for 9k. Thats not simple.


its all a game of talking up where needed , and talking down where needed ;)


Anyway this thread is for BYP so let it be.

[Benson]

Come on benson. its hardly a simple track build. No need to discredit yourself. Im sure theres alot of research and development has gone into the car, why else would you be selling a b20 for 9k. Thats not simple.

9k for a proven built B20 is more than reasonable price. If i can have one of the highest kph down Eastern Creek and Wakefield straights for a N/A FWD Honda it does say something. Dyno figures are useless to us if the motor doesnt perform on the race track. Its speeds has certainly backed up its power output

I know whats done to our car, and trust me it aint all that flash as many people would want to think, or think it has :p

[Cooker]

I know whats done to our car, and trust me it aint all that flash as many people would want to think, or think it has :p

Obviously not.
Jackys car makes 126kwatw and yours makes 160wkw+ (dynos vary but you could say min of 50 flywheel hp differance).
Jacky runs on 7" wide rims and has a ride height of 100mm. Yours is way lower then 100mm and you run 9" rims. You have front splitter etc etc

And you only beat jackys time by 0.1sec.

Its not what you got or what your top speed is. Its all in the setup.

Stop focusing on what parts etc or whats done. Focus on fine tuning your setup and getting the most out of your setup.

[Benson]

Obviously not.
Jackys car makes 126kwatw and yours makes 160wkw+ (dynos vary but you could say min of 50 flywheel hp differance).
Jacky runs on 7" wide rims and has a ride height of 100mm. Yours is way lower then 100mm and you run 9" rims. You have front splitter etc etc

And you only beat jackys time by 0.1sec.

Its not what you got or what your top speed is. Its all in the setup.

Stop focusing on what parts etc or whats done. Focus on fine tuning your setup and getting the most out of your setup.

We have never focused on what we have.

Doesnt matter what we have no more, track time does the talking now :p. Wait until we come back next year. It wont be .1 anymore ;)

[moo moo nel]

I thought Jacky's car was running 15x8 because he sold me his 15x7

anyway we all have to agree both cars are well setup and both are good drivers

[Benson]

I thought Jacky's car was running 15x8 because he sold me his 15x7

anyway we all have to agree both cars are well setup and both are good drivers

Correct and funny that you sold it to us :p

[FLICK]

We have never focused on what we have.

Doesnt matter what we have no more, track time does the talking now :p. Wait until we come back next year. It wont be .1 anymore ;)
No disrespect but it seems alot more talking than what the track time is doing. No doubt you are fastest but i hate it when people say how simple the car is and this is stock and so forth. Believe me mate you would get so much more respect if you didn't brag so much. Its good to be humble mate. Especially when you at your level. People wanna look up to you mate and aspire to what you have done not loathe you. I hope you get my drift. One day we will meet at track and i hope we all get along. Hopefully your a different person in real life. Not arrogant.

[moo moo nel]

Correct and funny that you sold it to us :p

different drivers prefer different setups :p
I'd keep them if they fit my gf's mini lol

[Benson]

No disrespect but it seems alot more talking than what the track time is doing. No doubt you are fastest but i hate it when people say how simple the car is and this is stock and so forth. Believe me mate you would get so much more respect if you didn't brag so much. Its good to be humble mate. Especially when you at your level. People wanna look up to you mate and aspire to what you have done not loathe you. I hope you get my drift. One day we will meet at track and i hope we all get along. Hopefully your a different person in real life. Not arrogant.

LOL, cant believe people think im arrogant. We never said our car is STOCK. I said its a simple set-up that an average person can replicate the same as well. All items are off the shelf products.

We have only listed our achievements and simply we have a minority that doesnt like our team or our achievment. The team understand's there will always be haters. Cant seem to please everyone.

I am how i am on the net. If someone talks shit about us, ill simply ignore them. SIMPLE as that! I cant let people keyboard warriors talk us down, im merely standing up.

[FLICK]

LOL, cant believe people think im arrogant. We never said our car is STOCK. I said its a simple set-up that an average person can replicate the same as well. All items are off the shelf products.

We have only listed our achievements and simply we have a minority that doesnt like our team or our achievment. The team understand's there will always be haters. Cant seem to please everyone.

I am how i am on the net. If someone talks shit about us, ill simply ignore them. SIMPLE as that! I cant let people keyboard warriors talk us down, im merely standing up.
if anything i love your car. But look all this aside. I guess all the real talking should be done on the track. You joining the k swap club benson? You did say in the for sale thread bigger and better things. The only engine i can think of is the k24.

[Benson]

You guys will just have to wait and find out ;)

It will be BYP Built and Developed

[fatboyz39]

Come on benson. its hardly a simple track build. No need to discredit yourself. Im sure theres alot of research and development has gone into the car, why else would you be selling a b20 for 9k. Thats not simple.

Head down to Oran Park @ round 8. Come and inspect the car. It might change your mind whats done to the car.

[Slaz]

If you want some idea as to what the boys will be running, just keep an eye on this thread, dave is retired and no where to be seen in oz but loves getting on hondatech as to how well the team is doing and scouring the states for people and products that actually work.

http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2488946&highlight=uncle+dave&page=3

Between dave trying to research and build the power plant, the advice and sponsorship of Kiwi in the gearing, suspension, and aerodynamics of the car, you would be one of the most supported and should be devoloped teams out there, even though you may have not done it yourself, with the tutoring and practice early in the year & more experience Benny, you will also get better behind the wheel, but as people have said, its the BYP/low budget and the image or illusion that your competeing against much bigger budgets and more experienced teams, that has people thinking the way they do, as it is simply not the case.

Will be good to see the end result of all this next season, sure it will net a fast car and bring with it better competition eventually, though for supersprints, its alot of effort and expense for an individual.

Look forward to seeing it come together.


(http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2488946&highlight=uncle+dave&page=3)

[Benson]

Too be competitive and the need to win, we needed to even the level playing field with our powerplant this year matching our rivals with a 2.0l. Its pretty unfair last year where we ran a 1.6l and getting hammered out of corners and on the straights with 30% less power. Even though we competed in Class 3B, we should of obviously moved back to class 3A. But we wanted a challange last year to see how far we can go with the B16a.

So yes, development and time early in the year spent on the car at the dyno and 1 test day at wakefield park has certainly paid off. The same effort will be done during this off-season.

"BYP/low budget and the image or illusion that your competeing against much bigger budgets and more experienced teams" Thats the image that people tell us when they come over and look at the car. Im just saying how other people describe it ;)

[zco]

i guess its jsut a discussion. abit of competition never hurts..

same thing happened when leo was topping the ladder last year

theres always a few that dont appreciate anything

[VTECMACHINE]

BYP Civic wont cross that bridge to IPRA U2L. Car looks to nice to get bang up haha.

Mayb you IPRA lads should come to Supersprint and have a few squirts at it. See how it stacks up aye.

LOL awesome!

So many haters... these guys are great. Just let them freaking be hella fast and smash all the IPRA cars.

Good work guys, you guys have my support. Thanks again for the advise over time. Much appreicated.

[Benson]

LOL awesome!

So many haters... these guys are great. Just let them freaking be hella fast and smash all the IPRA cars.

Good work guys, you guys have my support. Thanks again for the advise over time. Much appreicated.

Good to see you finally hit the 1:10's. Congrats :)

Always willing to help out when we can

[VTECMACHINE]

I'll come crawling back for advise when I start to get more serious. lol. :D

[Slaz]

Too be competitive and the need to win, we needed to even the level playing field with our powerplant this year matching our rivals with a 2.0l. Its pretty unfair last year where we ran a 1.6l and getting hammered out of corners and on the straights with 30% less power. Even though we competed in Class 3B, we should of obviously moved back to class 3A. But we wanted a challange last year to see how far we can go with the B16a.

So yes, development and time early in the year spent on the car at the dyno and 1 test day at wakefield park has certainly paid off. The same effort will be done during this off-season.

"BYP/low budget and the image or illusion that your competeing against much bigger budgets and more experienced teams" Thats the image that people tell us when they come over and look at the car. Im just saying how other people describe it ;)

Well said Benny, id give you a rep point but id already given you one recently and it wont allow me, level headed and constructive reply.

No doubt you were down on power the year before and you've stepped it up this year by putting in the time and effort like i said and it paid off, once again as i have done all year said well done, you guys have deserved the results and there is no disputing the times, they are there for all to see.

For everyone else, im far from a hater,its good seeing the cars getting quicker, its the only way it brings bigger and better cars out and the classes of racing and scene bigger which helps everyone involved from the guy who wants to go to the track a couple times a year, others wanting to compete in supersprints or IRPA, and the local workshops and part suppliers who are doing it tough at the moment, as zco said, its mearly discussion on the class of racing and those involved and whats been said and what is out there for everyone and anyone to read so look into that how you will. :wave:

[FLICK]

I went out to eastern ck track day today, My hats goes off to you and your crew. 146.1 is truly incredible. I didnt know how fast it was until today. Again well done. :thumbsup:

[zco]

i told you andrew. you think its easy, and that your kart sprints would help, but all that went out the window i bet lol

[moo moo nel]

and my hat goes off to andrew and people who setup his car

his first time to EC but he did 1:52 today

well done mate

[EG5]

and my hat goes off to andrew and people who setup his car

his first time to EC but he did 1:52 today

well done mate

:thumbsup::thumbsup: Well done

[FLICK]

i told you andrew. you think its easy, and that your kart sprints would help, but all that went out the window i bet lol

I never said it was gonna be easy, And no, my karting experience surely did help me drive today, there's really not much difference, its just everything from the car to the track is bigger thats all. Go karts tracks are small and narrow, your sitting very low to the ground so it feels like your going just as fast.

But like i say again, to achieve a 146.1 in a 2.0L is bloody impressive.


and my hat goes off to andrew and people who setup his car

his first time to EC but he did 1:52 today

well done mate

Thanks mate yeah a 152.1. You did well yourself. you were smoking it.;)


:thumbsup::thumbsup: Well done

Cheer yonas. Good to go out to your first track day with good company. Thanks again for your help.

[DR HONDA]

Well done Andrew, good to see you enjoying the car. :thumbsup:

So the question is, how are you going to go faster?

Practise and set up. 1st time virgin isnt it how its said :thumbsup:

[Benson]

Good to see you guys out on the circuit doing your thing

Its interesting to know your trap speeds down the straight's

You guys nearly beat our B16a record of 1:51 :p. But yeh good time for your first outing. Not easy to haul a car around EC with all that power

It can only get quicker from here

Goodluck with it

[kriZy]

You guys nearly beat our B16a record of 1:51 :p.

Interesting b16a power.

[fatboyz39]

Interesting b16a power.

Yeah b16a with 110kw atw. 1.51.2 was its best before it retired.:thumbsup: Currently holds the type 3A record NSW SS.

[fatboyz39]

http://www.trentwallis.com/albums/09SS7EC-1-36/09_Sprint_Rd7_EC_Car_021_TWP_2784.sized.jpg

Race tape FTW!~

[joyride]

race tape to aid with aerodynamics? and whats on the passenger side mirror? camera? :)

[Benson]

A mate got bored so yeh thats the end result

the thing on the mirror is a lap timer

[joyride]

i've been following your BYP threads. who drives the car? you or fatboy?

[Benson]

I navigate the car

Fatboy also drove the car for fun last Round as well but he mainly sets up the car ready for the event

[jdmTYPE R]

great work with the car setup and the driving..keep it up guyzz

[Benson]

great work with the car setup and the driving..keep it up guyzz

:)

Your doing great as well! :thumbsup: