New to civics, wat to buy?

[clutch]

Hey guys im currently a skyline owner and im coming out of the whole going fast idea and am selling up and wanting to buy a civic, that being said i dont want something guttless, so my question is, wat model should i look at if i want to spend around 5k bur dont want anything completly guttless (if there are faster models than others) please keep in mind i am a complete noob to civics and if anyone can hit me up with some first buyers info that would be awsome!!

Cheers

PS as i said im selling up my r33 gtst manual turbo skyline if anyones keen or trades with money my way! Just pm me! Ill also post a sale thread wiyh all the info if my priveleges allow me

[kcokla]

welcome to the honda world,
with 5k, unfortunately you wont get much. with that budget and budget alone, you might be able to find a honda eg vti or honda eg si, compared to your skyline, there probably pretty gutless and generally arnt very powerful machines regardless, however, if your ready to buy engines do some modding and work on your civic, then youll be on your way. but as stated 5k alone wont get u very far.

if your willing to spend abit more (up to 10k ish) look into a ek4 (civic ek vti-r) not completely gutless and is decent ! but if your ready for modding, look into an eg or an ek (differnt shaped civics) and look into engine conversions , - b18c's(just over double your budget) or even k series ( around triple your budget +)

theres a stickied thread about all the base model civics in this forum, look them up, and use the search button for raw numbers on kw's and so on.

it has almost become the norm in the honda community to buy these hatchback civics to do these conversions, and make them more powerful, civics generally stock never were very fast. (other than type r's)

good luck

[curtis265]

What's your reason for selling anyway? Fuel consumption? insurance?

as mentioned above, 5k isn't enough to get a faster civic unfortunately :(

[shadou]

5k ? eg breeze.

[hisoka]

buy a front damaged eg from auctions, fix it and b16 it, might come up to around 6 grand

[Red_EG4]

Guys, the OP isn't interested in 'going fast'. So if he can find a VTi EG for his budget, I think he might be happy with that.
But personally after buying it I think he'll catch the Honda Engine swap bug :D

[[Ash CIVIC]]

5k would get you a EG Civic Vti
between 5k and 10k would get you EK Civic Vti-R (got looks & speed).

[clutch]

Yea cheers guys for the love, no i dont care about speed or conversions, just not the slowest civic available lol, the faster of the slow ones if u catch me. I new that 5k isnt much but im not looking for much, im changing due to fuel consumption, insurance (i dont even have any cos its so exoencive :S) and just general stress like it getting scratched or stolen, bumps in the road, rocks etc


Ps it must be a manual lolol, hate autos :P

[hisoka]

Guys, the OP isn't interested in 'going fast'. So if he can find a VTi EG for his budget, I think he might be happy with that.
But personally after buying it I think he'll catch the Honda Engine swap bug :D

he said he doesnt want something gutless, vti is as gutless as a gli. there the same in a race pretty much. however these two have good fuel consumption

[[Ash CIVIC]]

agree with hisoka
better off just getting a eg civic vti for 5k
easy for mods etc
good on petrol lol

[clutch]

oH ok now i get you, i thought there might have been like 2ltr or something larger but by the sounds of it in that price range there all the same? 1.5ltrs or somethin?

[hisoka]

oH ok now i get you, i thought there might have been like 2ltr or something larger but by the sounds of it in that price range there all the same? 1.5ltrs or somethin?

yeah well all egs are 1.3. 1.5 or 1.6 litre

known as d13, d15, d16. after this 1.8++ are all conversions done to the car.

[clutch]

Ok, so u think i should rry get my hanfs on a 1.6 ltr eg? For 5k? Kool ill look into it. Thanks mate

[[Ash CIVIC]]

at one point lol
92.1c per litre at the servo
i put 20 bux in my civic and got a full tank out of it lolll

[clutch]

Far out lol, how many kays do u get to a tank?

[[Ash CIVIC]]

ah fk man
i honestly cant remember lol

straight out there really good on petrol.

[kcokla]

Far out lol, how many kays do u get to a tank?


$50ish at 1.20-1.30 p/l will get u a full tank and around 500km's!

vti's generally sel for around 4-6k so i think 5k is perfect. always haggle as usual!

good luck!

[clutch]

Only 500? I get 450 for about 65... Oh thats a bit better actualy, not to bad!

[clutch]

can someone explain to me the difference between - gl, gli and si? eg model?

ta! :D

[hisoka]

gl carby, gli base model, si is 91~93 top model, twin cam engine.

just get anything except GL. get any fuel injected civic with good condition lol, dont worry about SI , VTI, and GLI, all pretty much the same. just vti has rear discs and rear sway bar , thats about it lol. there all slow

[Red_EG4]

he said he doesnt want something gutless, vti is as gutless as a gli. there the same in a race pretty much. however these two have good fuel consumption

when you've only got 5K on the table and you want a Civic a VTi or Si is as Gutsy as you'll get.

[hisoka]

when you've only got 5K on the table and you want a Civic a VTi or Si is as Gutsy as you'll get.

i wouldnt say gutsy lol, its the same as gli pretty much, eg vti, vs eg gli head to head is like dead on the same. the only reason i would ever get them over a gli is sunroof and rear sway bar. or better condition in genral (paint etc etc)

[Raztaz]

Only 500? I get 450 for about 65... Oh thats a bit better actualy, not to bad!

mind you civics have smaller fuel tanks than skylines lol

[ninzee]

lol petrol depends on how much u like to use vtec (although vtis dont have much kick in them but) but i would recommend vti simply because it has a sunroof if your not looking for speed theyr prob the way to go

[Mr EG]

Honda Civic EG5, or EG6 if you can get your hands on it :)

[ninzee]

Honda Civic EG5, or EG6 if you can get your hands on it :)

lol find me a eg6 for 5g and ill give 2gs lol

[hisoka]

lol find me a eg6 for 5g and ill give 2gs lol

give me 2 gz. ive found one.

go to japan and get it, but leave me the 2gz before you go :)

[ninzee]

lol that doesnt count cause i gotta pay 4 shipment etc im saying 5ginos drive away :)

[hisoka]

changing the rules are we lol~

[ninzee]

haha maybb :)

[The Prodigy]

cant you sometimes find 5th generation civics with b16a conversions in them for around 5-7k?

[hisoka]

sure can, in brisbane found a couple for 6~7

[clutch]

lol i think im gonna stay away from engine conversions to! just want it stock so insurance and road worthy etc is easy :-/

[98vtir]

On the fuel thing, I average 400-450 km out of 45L, best I've gotton out of a tank was 500-550km and that was alot of highway driving + not many high revs

[outatime]

would u consider the integra vtir? they go for about 6k. at least they have a lil more kick than the civics.. 1.8L dohc vtec.

[clutch]

umm im not sure, i want something reliable, and not an issue with the law, cheap to run, and around 5k, not sure if id go 6k, but maybe depends if i find a good sale or not.

[kcokla]

if it truely is a run around and wont ever be a project car, just get any old civic and stick to your budget! save that extra cash for whatever other passions u have in life

[91KTD]

theres a couple of egs with b16a conversions on car sales mayb check them out

[clutch]

yea ive found a couple of nice ones for the right price, just trying to sell my car lol, let me know if u know anyone wanting to buy hehe

[Mikecivic78]

I understand u, the nissans are hard to insure, and cost a lot to maintain. Hondas, however, make good everyday cheap bangers with some go. But my advice is- don't start at 5k... u cant get much for that. As some others have posted, 10k is a better starting budget. My advice is to get a Honda that already has a good engine to start with. The prelude 1994-2001 Vti-r, Integra dc2 vti-r or the old humble 1996-2000 vti-r Civic (This is what ive got). These cars are a good base to start with and are quite swift. Mods are endless and they will last many more Ks compared to their Nissan counterparts. Just find a clean one and u'll be rite.

[Mikecivic78]

On the fuel thing, I average 400-450 km out of 45L, best I've gotton out of a tank was 500-550km and that was alot of highway driving + not many high revs

I reckon u get what u pay 4. With vtec Hondas u gotta rev 2 get performance. If u wanna have a bit of fun, gotta chew some juice, but what compares to the feeling of redlining a B16B/B18C/H22A/K20 etc...? Priceless. Worth all the v-power that went into it.

Back 2 the point, ur economy is the economy of someone who likes vtec, so it's troubleshooting time bro ( if u dont rev it much).

[hisoka]

If u wanna have a bit of fun, gotta chew some juice, but what compares to the feeling of redlining a B16B/B18C/H22A/K20 etc...? Priceless. Worth all the v-power that went into it.


lol the sound of a screamer pipe going off at 8psi lol. that compares lol, but cya later fuel economy

[Mikecivic78]

lol the sound of a screamer pipe going off at 8psi lol. that compares lol, but cya later fuel economy

true dat

[ninzee]

hey i dont know if u like ek civics or not but this one is in ur price range but its got 185000kms besides that its alright take a look http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=117920

[clutch]

im in victoria unfortunatly, i dont think it will be easy buying interstate. but cheers for the research! :D

as for paying more than 5k, i MIGHT swoop to 6k but, id like some of the extra cash from my sale to pay off my course.

[ninzee]

ohhh sorry i forgot to check that gl with finding the right car ill keep an eye out for some clean 5k civics in vic

[craigosrepz]

I picked up my eg hatch b16a for 4grand off ebay... so there is some out there for cheap.

[clutch]

Hey guys i found and enquired about this one wat do u guys think?

http://carsales.mobi/cars/confirm/private/?R=7459438

[MikeyG]

link does not work..



mate this what you want...

ek cxi get one with the most HIGH kms.. slap a b18cr I/H/E, tune that shit... u will eat skylines for dinner and brunch



EDIT: just saw he has 6k.. go buy a scooter mate and slap a b16a in the scooter

[The Prodigy]

EDIT: just saw he has 6k.. go buy a scooter mate and slap a b16a in the scooter

hahaha

[hisoka]

ek cxi get one with the most HIGH kms.. slap a b18cr I/H/E, tune that shit... u will eat skylines for dinner and brunch


lol thats like the most fail comment ive ever seen on this website. but because you are 4DLULZ king, i will let it slide lol. mad keint.

cxi rear disc brake conversion lol gg, tacho gg,winding up passenger side window double gg,

[MikeyG]

lol thats like the most fail comment ive ever seen on this website. but because you are 4DLULZ king, i will let it slide lol. mad keint.

cxi rear disc brake conversion lol gg, tacho gg,winding up passenger side window double gg,

hisoka i will let your comment slide aswell casue ive been in your bus and its quite comfy i must say...

but op just buy a scooter

[hisoka]

LOL i fail, took me like 1 minute to figure out wtf you on about lol. bus lol.

hows ure ek going lol, did u end up painting it ? . might aswell kill this thread off lol

[clutch]

LoL sorry guys heres a better link!

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=7390209&__Qpb=true&Cr=4&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Price_Decim al%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Model_S tring%7c0&keywords=&__N=1216%201282%204294965322%204294965250%20443%20 903&SearchAction=N&silo=1011&PriceTo=443&seot=1&__Ne=60%20833%201465%204%205%20239%2014%2013%20210 %201554%201620%20140%20145%2052%201683&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=76&__sid=123037802DA1

[ninzee]

looks decent and i like the colour 2, seems legit with recipts n all just check that the engine is engineerd besides that i would consider it just hustle it down 2 6.5k possibly even 6k depending on how despret he is, i got a similar car with the same engine and its fun :) anyways gl

[clutch]

Ah the guy said no rwc so no way, i found a couple others for around 5k vti versions so lets wait n see

[The Prodigy]

Ah the guy said no rwc so no way

whats that mean?

[clutch]

no road worth cert came with it

ok guys, ive found 2 and im going with one of them

this one is for 6000 maybe 5500 if i can haggle
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=7455913&keywords=vti&tsrc=allcarhome&__Ntk=CarAll&__Nne=15&__Dx=mode%20matchany&PriceTo=443&__Qpb=true&__D=vti&silo=1011&seot=1&__sid=123037802DA1&__N=1216%201282%204294965322%204294965250%20443%20 903&__Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal%7c1%7c%7cpCar_RankSort _Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Mod el_String%7c0&__Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial&Cr=4&__Ntt=vti&trecs=12


and this one is for 5500 maybe 5000 if ic an haggle him down
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=7472020&keywords=vti&tsrc=allcarhome&__Ntk=CarAll&__Nne=15&__Dx=mode%20matchany&PriceTo=443&__Qpb=true&__D=vti&silo=1011&seot=1&__sid=123037802DA1&__N=1216%201282%204294965322%204294965250%20443%20 903&__Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal%7c1%7c%7cpCar_RankSort _Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Mod el_String%7c0&__Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial&Cr=6&__Ntt=vti&trecs=12


im happy paying either price, but i want to know which has the better motor!

cheers

[Mikecivic78]

no road worth cert came with it

ok guys, ive found 2 and im going with one of them

this one is for 6000 maybe 5500 if i can haggle
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=7455913&keywords=vti&tsrc=allcarhome&__Ntk=CarAll&__Nne=15&__Dx=mode%20matchany&PriceTo=443&__Qpb=true&__D=vti&silo=1011&seot=1&__sid=123037802DA1&__N=1216%201282%204294965322%204294965250%20443%20 903&__Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal%7c1%7c%7cpCar_RankSort _Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Mod el_String%7c0&__Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial&Cr=4&__Ntt=vti&trecs=12


and this one is for 5500 maybe 5000 if ic an haggle him down
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=7472020&keywords=vti&tsrc=allcarhome&__Ntk=CarAll&__Nne=15&__Dx=mode%20matchany&PriceTo=443&__Qpb=true&__D=vti&silo=1011&seot=1&__sid=123037802DA1&__N=1216%201282%204294965322%204294965250%20443%20 903&__Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal%7c1%7c%7cpCar_RankSort _Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Mod el_String%7c0&__Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial&Cr=6&__Ntt=vti&trecs=12


im happy paying either price, but i want to know which has the better motor!

cheers

They both look good in the ads. Have a look at both and check out (or have checked out by a good mech) everything, including paintwork, panels etc... car with good paintwork as well as good mechanically adds value to a car. Resprays arent cheap.

As far as motors go, output is fairly similar. However the older Eg civic is lighter, so it should accelerate faster.

The 1993 has almost 12 months rego on it, factor that into your price. Good luck :)

[clutch]

Ok buetifal, i sore a pic of the 97 and the engine didnt say vtec on it! Thats why i thought it wasnt that good, but i think the 93 is better but the 97 is newer! :S is it worth crying about the year?

[Mikecivic78]

Ok buetifal, i sore a pic of the 97 and the engine didnt say vtec on it! Thats why i thought it wasnt that good, but i think the 93 is better but the 97 is newer! :S is it worth crying about the year?

I used to own a 96 vti coupe, even though the 93 is a bit quicker (barely noticeble) , with the coupe u get more car. u get electric mirrors/windows, ABS brakes, passenger and driver airbags + better, more modern styling (interior and exterior). What do u want... style or a marginally faster acceleration? Go the Coupe, they are also a rare car. They are the onlyt AUDM Hondas built in America. As the owner of an EM1 coupe, i say g0 the Ej8 1997 coupe. Just make sure ur mechanic looks at it. Let me know what happens!

[Mikecivic78]

Oh yea, the 97 coupe has vtec, look at the block, it should say D16Y8. It doesnt say vtec on the rocker cover, but it is vtec, trust me. Wind it out and see lol.

[hisoka]

it has vtec solenoid, easier way to tell, lol cause i dont think you can tell by winding it out :P

[Mikecivic78]

it has vtec solenoid, easier way to tell, lol cause i dont think you can tell by winding it out :P

I think u can... the sohc runs out of steam at lower rpms.

[hisoka]

i had it lol same engine, and i only ever heard vtec once, it was comming from the b16 overtaking me who mistaked me for a b series car lol.

lol but as above, coupes are nicer. more moden, but then again ek hatch back isnt to bad either

[Mikecivic78]

i had it lol same engine, and i only ever heard vtec once, it was comming from the b16 overtaking me who mistaked me for a b series car lol.

U can't compare to a b16, but the d16y8 makes 93kw compared to d16y4 88kw. I've had both and i can tell a bit of a diff... maybe its just a placebo effect or somethin'

I guess the diff. is marginal at best.

[hisoka]

yeah i know you cant compare to b16 lol, if i ever did compare d to b, i hope they ban me from ozhonda lol.

you cant tell apart 5 kws. amazing, i think it has to do with gearbox and overall car.

[Mikecivic78]

yeah i know you cant compare to b16 lol, if i ever did compare d to b, i hope they ban me from ozhonda lol.

you cant tell apart 5 kws. amazing, i think it has to do with gearbox and overall car.

Yea, my b16 is unquestionably better than d series, but as a 1st Honda owner, i think he should get the ej8 after some though, don't u think?

[EGB18CT]

buy my eg, comes with b18c and more for 7k!

[hisoka]

Yea, my b16 is unquestionably better than d series, but as a 1st Honda owner, i think he should get the ej8 after some though, don't u think?

yeah just get best condition car , thats what i would do too. ej8s are pretty clean cars overall. some odd shockers, but most of them cheap and clean