EM1 with B18cR

[MRB18R]

Hey guys i'm tossing and turning whether i should put a B18cR into my EM1... just wondering how much work is involved and how much does it cost roughly...?? and also what are peoples rating's on the conversion after it's done... good/bad...???

Cheers guys

[MikeyG]

well to my knowledge b18cr or b18c7 5 - 7k and parts here and there 1k... 1k to install but if u can do it yourself then u save alot.

i personally think b18cr in an em1 wont do much aye.... you got b16a already... buy a b20 bottom end for 500 - 900 buy b20/vtec conversion kit for like 200 and use your head and cam cam gears all that good stuff...

[anfo2gig]

Whats the purpose of this car anyway? Track, daily, straightlines?
like mikeyG said you already have a b16 and i also dont think b18 will do much.

[EK1.6LCIV]

stock b16a2 ftw :)
why mess with it tbch

you'll be down thousands to make small gains

[turtle187]

lol gains wont be small. it will be good gains but like the guys stated get a b20.
more better gains, more toque
b20 with b16 head estimated should be 120kw atw.

for b20 its not as simple as slapping the block and vtec converter on.
you need new throttle body, upgrade your ecu.
flywheel ITR, bigger headers, camseals, rebuilt b20 block
...and theres more parts that dont cost that much but would add up to 2-3k thats parts only tho
for a good b20 build.
but for more power gain and for a less amount, go with b20

[EK1.6LCIV]

something about paying over 8k for a 200cc advantage just seems wrong lol

Id do some headwork rebuild your bottom end first before chucking out a perfectly decent engine (B16A2)

[turtle187]

something about paying over 8k for a 200cc advantage just seems wrong lol

Id do some headwork rebuild your bottom end first before chucking out a perfectly decent engine (B16A2)


why would you waste money on rebuilding a bottom end of the b16 when you can be a abit patient and buy a b20 and rebuild that.
you are just wasting more money and wont be able to get as much power out of a b16 where u can be getting great gains of top end and torque with the b20.

[hondar]

get dc2r

[EK1.6LCIV]

why would you waste money on rebuilding a bottom end of the b16 when you can be a abit patient and buy a b20 and rebuild that.
you are just wasting more money and wont be able to get as much power out of a b16 where u can be getting great gains of top end and torque with the b20.

I know alot more people who can do work with the std b16, get it to 160hp atw for a good price local to me now :)


get dc2r

x2, but its a hatch, cant compare it to a coupe lol jks jks Leo

[turtle187]

I know alot more people who can do work with the std b16, get it to 160hp atw for a good price local to me now :)



x2, but its a hatch, cant compare it to a coupe lol jks jks Leo

lol ryan HP is different from kw.
k series can get from 125 kw atw - 137 kw atw stock
so why would u spend so much money to put the b16a to a extra approx 62 kw atw if your trying to say 160kw atw LOL

[EK1.6LCIV]

I only talk in hp lol
the effort for a k-banger in a civic is a mission and a half, anyone who does so and succeeds is in need of several beers lol

[turtle187]

lol ok then.
haha b series ftw =)

[hondar]

lol yeah its a hatch but at least suspension set up wise dc2r is one of the best out there for Front wheel drive

better bang for bucks

yeah coupe rules! i still own one :D

[EK1.6LCIV]

x2 ftw :D

[turtle187]

I only talk in hp lol
the effort for a k-banger in a civic is a mission and a half, anyone who does so and succeeds is in need of several beers lol

lol just a example.

b16a approx 97 kw atw
b20 with b16 head approx 120 kw atw
b18c7 or known as b18cr approx 118 kw atw
k series approx 125 kw atw

please correct me if im wrong
btw this is only approx

[EK1.6LCIV]

lol just a example.

b16a approx 97 kw atw
b20 with b16 head approx 120 kw atw
b18c7 or known as b18cr approx 118 kw atw
k series approx 125 kw atw

please correct me if im wrong
btw this is only approx

wheres the torque figures?!?!?! :D

[turtle187]

wheres the torque figures?!?!?! :D


LOL AHHAHAH
in AARONG's head, that guy knows everything

[EK1.6LCIV]

torque is what wins the races, breaks the hearts, does the skids... wait wut? :)

[anfo2gig]

or you could just turbo it :)

[MikeyG]

dude if u dont want to get b20 or dont have time to get parts n shit..

go honda-tech either get a AFI or peakboost b series turbo kit i believe if u pay abit extra they can give ecu hondata wadeva.. work internals abit.. slap that in 15psi daily 200+atw

[ek4-guy]

torque is what wins the races, breaks the hearts, does the skids... wait wut? :)

how many hp on your d16 ?

[SiReal]

I believe you should swap it for a D16Y4 and turbo it.

Re B18C7s, stock pull 99 to 103~ish kws atw. I got 96 kw atw lol for a DC2R. pretty crap but it was all stock apart from whales penis. no big deal.

A del slow B16 pulled more power than my car on its final run. Go figure. Got me all confused as well. And my engine is pretty healthy as well.

The EM1 listed also had a B18C7 swap, with exhaust, headers and all that.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x229/JeffSiReal/20090418%20Dyno%20Day/mini-IMG_2186.jpg

[EK1.6LCIV]

how many hp on your d16 ?

barely 30 less than a std b16 lol

[rawr]

or you could just turbo it :)

x2 :)

[KLR-16A]

Go fully built b20......it wont cost you that much, iv got fully built b16as which are decent but your still gonna be missing out on the torque, i'd advice you to screw the b18cr as its gonna owe u alot of money and at the end of the day it will be slower than a stock dc2r as the power to weight ratio is worse on the em1 (being heavier). B20 is a bang-for-buck conversion. You dont even hav 2 fully build it, just do stock bottom end cost ya max 2k with wat u got already from you b16a2.

[MrJohn]

i say go with the b20 too.. my mate had a b18c7 in his car.. but then went to b20. since his engine blew LOL

[DNYALL]

I did that exact swap on my EM1. Was awesome while it lasted... It blew in a week...:o But to be completey honest with ya, If i could go bak in time and had the money again blah blah blah I would do the swap again, just with a different b18 that was hopefully not about to blow... the difference the whole setup had over the stock EM1 b16a2 setup was a fair bit. worth the money. More power, LSD, better gear ratios etc. Do it man.

As long as you know that the engine is in good condition, do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup:

But then a b20 setup would most likely be awesome to. Must admit I have never driven one befor.

But I can say that a B18 swap in an em1 is well worth the money. Trade in your b16 while you do it to save some cash.

[Killa From Manila]

alot of ppl on here think the only difference between a b16a2 and a b18cr is just the 200cc extra lol. the b18 is muuuch better, it also has lsd, better gear ratios etc. and since u already have a b series it wont cost u 8k like some ppl think

[integral90]

lol just a example.

b16a approx 97 kw atw
b20 with b16 head approx 120 kw atw
b18c7 or known as b18cr approx 118 kw atw
k series approx 125 kw atw

please correct me if im wrong
btw this is only approx

What K-series are you referring to? I've never heard of a K-series hitting 125kW stock

[DEMON83]

did the swap in mine, very worth it! 101Kw to 123.7kw to the wheels. car drives better and go's like a bat out of hell and is faster than a DC2R.

[90LAN]

pretty much pull your motor out
use you b16a loom and replace with b18cr motor
real simple conversion
then you just need conversion harness and itr ecu and your set

well it will cost you under 5k to do
just get a b18c type r motor around 3500
and labour be around the 1-1500 mark
you can use evrything else on your car
so you dont need to buy any thing else
maybe fluids and timing belt

if you want a lsd add another 1500

then you could keep or sell your b16a motor to get your money back

it is the most easiest conversion you can do for your car

demon83 can tell you how much he enjoys his new motor

[mr180sx]

^^:thumbsup:

there are also alot of dreamers who have posted on this thread who have nil experience of any of these engines and no nothing about them!;):thumbsup:

The b18cr will be good upgrade from the b16!


alot of ppl on here think the only difference between a b16a2 and a b18cr is just the 200cc extra lol. the b18 is muuuch better, it also has lsd, better gear ratios etc. and since u already have a b series it wont cost u 8k like some ppl think

[Mikecivic78]

Instead of spending thousands getting a b18c, just mod the shit out of ur b16a. I'm talkin' cams/ecu/valve springs etc . The possibilities are limitless.

Better yet, get a turbo kit for the same price as a swap and u'll be smokin almost everyone.

Anyway, thats my 2 cents.

[jks24]

did the swap in mine, very worth it! 101Kw to 123.7kw to the wheels. car drives better and go's like a bat out of hell and is faster than a DC2R.

it certainly does :D

[vampzzz]

Go fully built b20......it wont cost you that much, iv got fully built b16as which are decent but your still gonna be missing out on the torque, i'd advice you to screw the b18cr as its gonna owe u alot of money and at the end of the day it will be slower than a stock dc2r as the power to weight ratio is worse on the em1 (being heavier). B20 is a bang-for-buck conversion. You dont even hav 2 fully build it, just do stock bottom end cost ya max 2k with wat u got already from you b16a2.

em1 with b18cR will go faster then a stock dc2r..

ask anyone with a b18cR in there em1, my ej8 with b18c7 certainly goes harder then a dc2r

[Riviera]

B18 ftw its standard. Its quick. Wont be tempermental. Its typeR. Its fits straight in...

Buy lans b18 lol

[G-Stick]

em1 with b18cR will go faster then a stock dc2r..

ask anyone with a b18cR in there em1, my ej8 with b18c7 certainly goes harder then a dc2r

stock for stock it wont ;)

[vampzzz]

i'll revert my car back to stock just to prove you wrong. :p

[G-Stick]

yea if u want i am up for it ;)

[Toilet]

10 bucks on duy!

[vampzzz]

get me the stock parts and i'll do it :D

[G-Stick]

get ur own stock parts xD hahaha

[BIGTYM]

Just go force induction on your B16a join the ranks of Boosted B-Series owners.

[EK1.6LCIV]

what's happening? any updates? :)

[sangyz]

If you started off in a b16a2 and you went to b18cr you will feel the difference.. man its a big difference i love my b18cr! .. GO FOR IT!! b18cr FTW!

[sangyz]

stock for stock it wont ;)

what about my car stock will it? its lighter :p

[jks24]

bumping this thread and reading it has given me the urge to want a b18cr for my em1 now (something I promised myself I would never do)

Noob question but most bolt on parts for a b16 will fit onto the b18cr right? Like i/h/e etc etc

[vampzzz]

bumping this thread and reading it has given me the urge to want a b18cr for my em1 now (something I promised myself I would never do)

Noob question but most bolt on parts for a b16 will fit onto the b18cr right? Like i/h/e etc etc

yeah mate, I/H/E should be interchangeable.

[MikeyG]

honestly its not worth it... thats my opinion.. now im not saying the b18 is shit.. its great.. but since of spending 5-6k on b18 convo.. use your b16 head get a b20 block 500-600 dollars, get b20 vtec conversion kit 200-300, use your i/h/e and even your gearbox, get itr internals 500, crome ecu 400, tune it 500-1k and have massive torque

lets work this out in max expense k
600,300,500,400,1k = 2.8k.. now IF you get type r box 1.5-2k thats 5k there..all up you will slap around type r's and em1 b18s

more torque then b18cr.. BUT if you tihnk its going to be a headache blahblahblah...

get a turbo kit 5k 10psi and you will be fine

[Bludger]

honestly its not worth it... thats my opinion.. now im not saying the b18 is shit.. its great.. but since of spending 5-6k on b18 convo.. use your b16 head get a b20 block 500-600 dollars, get b20 vtec conversion kit 200-300, use your i/h/e and even your gearbox, get itr internals 500, crome ecu 400, tune it 500-1k and have massive torque

lets work this out in max expense k
600,300,500,400,1k = 2.8k.. now IF you get type r box 1.5-2k thats 5k there..all up you will slap around type r's and em1 b18s

more torque then b18cr.. BUT if you tihnk its going to be a headache blahblahblah...

get a turbo kit 5k 10psi and you will be fineyou sure know a lot about Honda's for a guy who doesn't currently drive a honda:p

[VTec1987]

honestly its not worth it... thats my opinion.. now im not saying the b18 is shit.. its great.. but since of spending 5-6k on b18 convo.. use your b16 head get a b20 block 500-600 dollars, get b20 vtec conversion kit 200-300, use your i/h/e and even your gearbox, get itr internals 500, crome ecu 400, tune it 500-1k and have massive torque

lets work this out in max expense k
600,300,500,400,1k = 2.8k.. now IF you get type r box 1.5-2k thats 5k there..all up you will slap around type r's and em1 b18s

more torque then b18cr.. BUT if you tihnk its going to be a headache blahblahblah...

get a turbo kit 5k 10psi and you will be fine


What happens if he has stock IHE, B20 vtec requires good Intake and exaust.
$600 for good set of headers
$300 intake system

In my opinion, i reckon b18cr conversion is a great upgrade, you have to remember u can run a stock b18cr headers and etc and you can feel the difference. Wether for b20 vtec, it's a must to have good headers, u dun wana run stock headers in a b20 vtec.

b18cr engine: 6k max
sell your b16a2 engine package: 2.5k

comes down to 4.5K, stock reliable engine + 4.7d + etc. cant go wrong there.

MikeyG calculation is way to brief, to make it reliable, u will need more money then that.

[niiCk]

What happens if he has stock IHE, B20 vtec requires good Intake and exaust.
$600 for good set of headers
$300 intake system

In my opinion, i reckon b18cr conversion is a great upgrade, you have to remember u can run a stock b18cr headers and etc and you can feel the difference. Wether for b20 vtec, it's a must to have good headers, u dun wana run stock headers in a b20 vtec.

b18cr engine: 6k max
sell your b16a2 engine package: 2.5k

comes down to 4.5K, stock reliable engine + 4.7d + etc. cant go wrong there.

MikeyG calculation is way to brief, to make it reliable, u will need more money then that.

Your calculation is wrong too..6k - 2.5k = 3.5k:thumbsup:

[VTec1987]

Your calculation is wrong too..6k - 2.5k = 3.5k:thumbsup:

Lol cheers bro

[vampzzz]

+1k installation is 4.5k :p

[paps02]

cant really justify spending 5grand to put a b18 in it,you have an engine thats great to start on.

read the feature em1 vti-r turbo that was posted not long ago. great example... aiming for 200kw!!!

edit: heres the link.. http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30369

[MikeyG]

you sure know a lot about Honda's for a guy who doesn't currently drive a honda:p

lol Bludger i didnt sell the car.. it was taken off me :p but i will have it back :D


What happens if he has stock IHE, B20 vtec requires good Intake and exaust.
$600 for good set of headers
$300 intake system .

not really he already has a b16a head.. he can still use it obv if he wants MORE power then upgrade it will be the same thing for b18cr


In my opinion, i reckon b18cr conversion is a great upgrade, you have to remember u can run a stock b18cr headers and etc and you can feel the difference. Wether for b20 vtec, it's a must to have good headers, u dun wana run stock headers in a b20 vtec..

yes that is correct but for a decent headers is like 500-1k


MikeyG calculation is way to brief, to make it reliable, u will need more money then that.

umm not really dude, i calculated everything at a higher price obv you can get stuff cheaper just got to look around, and his doing a engine conversion nothing can be make reliable only way to do that is to maintain the engine and you should be fine

[zco]

What happens if he has stock IHE, B20 vtec requires good Intake and exaust.
$600 for good set of headers
$300 intake system

In my opinion, i reckon b18cr conversion is a great upgrade, you have to remember u can run a stock b18cr headers and etc and you can feel the difference. Wether for b20 vtec, it's a must to have good headers, u dun wana run stock headers in a b20 vtec.

b18cr engine: 6k max
sell your b16a2 engine package: 2.5k

comes down to 4.5K, stock reliable engine + 4.7d + etc. cant go wrong there.

MikeyG calculation is way to brief, to make it reliable, u will need more money then that.

you almost had it.. 6k - 2.5k = 3.5k

i can supply motor conversion

audm b18cR motor conversion, all running gear form DC2R

honda timing belt
water pump
ngk platinum spark plugs
honda FEO + honda oil filter
honda fuel filter
honda MTF
and cam seals and rear main seals replaced
all installed, aircon running, and drive away. $7350

sell your conversion for b16a for 2.5k puts you under 5k, with a full major service and installed.

[4age8u]

I know alot more people who can do work with the std b16, get it to 160hp atw for a good price local to me now :)



x2, but its a hatch, cant compare it to a coupe lol jks jks Leo

i have the vtac spirit ryan hahahahahaqhhaha

[jks24]

how about em1 with b16b :D

[vampzzz]

not worth it mate, put in another grand and you got a b18cr

[eg5civic]

how about em1 with b16b :D

lol why buy a b16b when you have a b16a


differences are forgies, lsd from factory bigger intake, cams ect

but for the extra money a b18c is way better

i only did my b16b for legalities so its p plater friendly

[90LAN]

why not just go b18cr motor by itself with ecu

then do lsd later in your box ?

i know alot of ppl that will say its not worth to do the b16
unless you go turbo
but i guessing you want to be na stilll

actually a oz itr is only 1080kg so its lighter than a em1
1040 with no ac

you need one b18cr eng complete
use your ek loom
get conversion harness and itr ecu
and labour cost

get after market lsd for your box
and theres your budget conversion

stick with a oem honda engine will last and be reliable if you look after it

[eg5civic]

lan just give me the crank out of your old motor and we'll throw it in my b16b :p

[90LAN]

lan just give me the crank out of your old motor and we'll throw it in my b16b :p

buy one jdmyard has them for 1k brand new

[eg5civic]

*drools*

still need rods pistons and an ecu

or run the b16b pistons but then i needs an aftermarket ecu -___-