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underbelly
21-08-2009, 01:04 PM
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ej20i
21-08-2009, 01:26 PM
i think u need the front guards as well and FD2R Headlights and the cluster, there was a write up on making it red at 8thcivic.com b4 but u need to get the gauges anyway like the vtec meter and the rev gauge is diff

NightRyder
21-08-2009, 01:38 PM
3. AUDM FD2 cluster illumination is blue, FD2R is red. How can I get the red illumination on a AUDM FD2? Do I have to do a FD2R cluster conversion for it to work?


Answer: The FD2R cluster is slightly different to the normal FD2. Where the FD2 temperature gauge location is, the iVTEC indicator is in its place. The FD2R has the temperature gauge on the left of the Rev meter.

Red illumination I would think can be done by simply replacing the LED bulbs in the back. But I could be wrong as I've yet to test the FD2R speed cluster for an FD2.

aero
21-08-2009, 04:24 PM
2. Was the Type R side badge a factory option in Japan? I've seen some photos where there are no Type R side badge, some photos were the badge is placed on the actual side of the car (not side skirt) and some photos where it is placed on the actual side skirt. What is the stock location for this badge?


imho, if u dont have the k20a inside, dont put the type r decals on the side of ur car. im fine with the red badge (i have one on my fd1, coz i like the colour lol) but i think the words "Type R" written on the side is over the top, unless u back it up with power.
besides, i think it looks much cleaner without any extra kind of decals.

oh, and to answer ur question, they're located at the bottom of the rear doors (but above that chrome strip thing) and above the side skirt. also like the audm fn2r, the "Type R" decals on the side are optional.

Mugen_B16B
21-08-2009, 05:00 PM
imo, not worth the money doin all cosmetics, engine first then outside

liquid23
21-08-2009, 06:55 PM
engine will cost 20k drive in n drive out. the person i buy my rims off has an type r engine. your gonna be spending more than the costs of your civic if you were to do a whole conversion.

you can buy the fd2r cluster so it is exactly the same as fd2r.
need type r pedals/footrest
i think the diffuser is a seperate item not quite sure.
should get an exhaust even though its mechanical, to complete it.

JOhnnyFD
21-08-2009, 11:49 PM
imho, if u dont have the k20a inside, dont put the type r decals on the side of ur car. im fine with the red badge (i have one on my fd1, coz i like the colour lol) but i think the words "Type R" written on the side is over the top, unless u back it up with power.
besides, i think it looks much cleaner without any extra kind of decals.

oh, and to answer ur question, they're located at the bottom of the rear doors (but above that chrome strip thing) and above the side skirt. also like the audm fn2r, the "Type R" decals on the side are optional.

agreed +1

anster
21-08-2009, 11:58 PM
i think that the side mirrors are slightly larger in the type r models aswell. not 100% sure.

aero
22-08-2009, 12:11 AM
i thought they were smaller in the type r's?

JOhnnyFD
22-08-2009, 12:19 AM
they're smaller in terms that they are thinner in size

liquid23
22-08-2009, 01:13 AM
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c225/Krayvence/Honda%20Civic%20FD/FD2R%20Conversion/55.jpg
different back
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c225/Krayvence/Honda%20Civic%20FD/FD2R%20Conversion/47.jpg
LED tail lights
does it have different fenders?
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c225/Krayvence/Honda%20Civic%20FD/FD2R%20Conversion/46.jpg

moons
22-08-2009, 06:54 AM
imho, if u dont have the k20a inside, dont put the type r decals on the side of ur car. im fine with the red badge (i have one on my fd1, coz i like the colour lol) but i think the words "Type R" written on the side is over the top, unless u back it up with power.

Err.. is this not what the Red H means?

According to Honda, "only a Type R and an F1 car are to be adorned with the Red H."

FAIL. :thumbdwn:

ej20i
22-08-2009, 10:23 AM
moons, its what people like...and just leave it as that..if they want to put a dam red H...who gives a shit...everyone here noes theres not such thing as FD2R in our beautiful land...so leave us alone...just feel blessed that u can afford an R and not like everyone else here and we just like the FD shape and we like to mod our car!
so YEAH!
did i even make sense?LOL!

JOhnnyFD
22-08-2009, 11:44 AM
moons, its what people like...and just leave it as that..if they want to put a dam red H...who gives a shit...everyone here noes theres not such thing as FD2R in our beautiful land...so leave us alone...just feel blessed that u can afford an R and not like everyone else here and we just like the FD shape and we like to mod our car!
so YEAH!
did i even make sense?LOL!

agreed +1

moons
22-08-2009, 12:18 PM
LOL

So let me get this straight: Type R stickers on a non-Type R are uncool but a Red H - which means the same thing - is okay?

By putting performance badges on cooking models, you are embarrassing the marque you have chosen to be fanboys of.

Can't afford/Can't drive a (manual) Type R - Suck it up and stop pretending.

liquid23
22-08-2009, 12:28 PM
why does it always come to this? always fighting about the stupid red H badge or type R badge/sticker. if you don't have any good points to say or input to the thread then don't say it at all. keep the anger to yourself.
this is a forum, it is to help other members not give people s**t

ej20i
22-08-2009, 12:34 PM
red H is just a dam f****n Colour!!!same shit as we installing Mugen Kit, its not a mugen civic, does that mean we cant modify our car and let it stock?
thats kinda ridiculous aint it?

aero
22-08-2009, 12:49 PM
my interior is black with red stitching. brake calipers are black but soon to be red (i used to want black wheels... still do). front grille is black with a red badge. i dont like the big chrome badge on my fd, but i like to have the type r H there, because its red and it goes with the look im going for.

curtis265
22-08-2009, 01:12 PM
Honestly it doesn't matter. beware though, they get stolen frequently. Try a different colour maybe.... black?

I'd so go black or someting...

Unfortunately the colour combination of black seats, white paint and subtle hints of red everywhere is a truly good combo...

moons
22-08-2009, 01:15 PM
red H is just a dam f****n Colour!!!

No it's not: It's a performance badge, just like the one that says TYPE R. How is this not obvious?

Honda, you know - the company that makes all these cars - decided in its wisdom to reserve the RED H for PERFORMANCE CARS ONLY.

You can't seriously expect me to believe that all FD1 owners "just happen to like the colour red!"

aero
22-08-2009, 01:29 PM
Honestly it doesn't matter. beware though, they get stolen frequently.

It must be moons taking them from non-type Rs lol (i kid).



You can't seriously expect me to believe that all FD1 owners "just happen to like the colour red!"

why not lol? anyone that knows hondas like ur self will get a laugh and can obviously identify a true type r, from a badge. i think the owners of the cars arent stupid either. i am very aware that my red badge is also used for type Rs, but i dont care coz just from looking and hearing my car, its obviously not a type R. i know it, and anyone else that would make a big deal about it, like urself will know it to. no biggie. everyone knows where they stand... at least i do, anyway

ej20i
22-08-2009, 01:44 PM
You can't seriously expect me to believe that all FD1 owners "just happen to like the colour red!"

my fd is black with red combo!i think black and red goes well together...

JOhnnyFD
22-08-2009, 02:25 PM
i like red and black

but i think that a typeR decal is pushing it abit

NightRyder
22-08-2009, 11:15 PM
Bitch fight!...

No seriously guys, ease up a little. :)

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and approach to this sort of thing. It's what makes them feel good and proud of what they drive, only to a certain extent of course.

Moons, let it be dude, if people want to make their cars "like" the real Type-R's then it's their own choice, no need to defend the "Type-R's" and for what it lives for. I know how you feel buddy but it's how things are since we can't get the real FD2R here.
We live in democracy!...LOL :)

Honda made this scene to attract drivers like us and envy their Formula One and Type-R's, so those who can't get one can choose to replicate it at their own free will, however they choose to, so long as they have the money.

If you want to find someone to blame for all this, well really the blame should go to those government bodies who deals with the importation of these "special" vehicles alongside Honda Australia. And I'm sure they would have reasons for not bringing these in as mass market.
Also you need to remember that the Australian Government would want to protect local jobs so those Ford's and Holden manufacturing factories would stay ashore helping local families and the economy. Hence, more of those here but crap cars I know. :cool:

To get to my point and hopefully ease the net-tension, I think the Red H suffices for everyone and let's leave it at that. But, having the "Type-R" decal is a bit overboard and really shouldn't be put on an FD unless it has the heart that makes it a "Type-R". :D

All in all, it's whatever pleases the individual and their taste. So let's relax and help Underbelly achieve what he wants to do, if we can, and since it is his thread. :)

It's a shame we can't get a true FD2R as a local market vehicle, I'm sure many of us would be eager to buy one, I know I would.

moons
22-08-2009, 11:40 PM
I know how you feel buddy but it's how things are since we can't get the real FD2R here.

The FD2R - if it ever were to be sold in Australia - would be expensive and consequently exclusive. With all the FD1s running around playing pretend, this very marketable quality is clearly a non-starter.

Yes the government and Honda Australia/Japan do hold the claim to the main players stopping the FD2R from bring imported, but surely you can see that the action of the "we love the colour red when it is surrounded by a silver H crowd" are, at the very least, not helping the cause.

Lets face it, these people wouldn't buy a real FD2R anyway because of the extra cost, manual box, etc. because all they want is "the look."

And don't think Honda hasn't noticed that "the look" just happens to always mirror that of the real performance variant, without the actual performance!

While you enjoy lookign the goods, pat yoruself on the back for making watered down Type Rs marketable.

JOhnnyFD
22-08-2009, 11:49 PM
and the fight continues

i would definitely buy a FD2R at a reasonable cost.. reason y they couldnt get it over here is coz of the high cost and thus would work relatively poor against the other cars in the similar category

definitely harsh words moon.. is it me or is moon sayin that the FD2R isnt living up to ite TypeR performance expectations???

aero
23-08-2009, 02:35 AM
i think he means that the fn2r is the "watered down Type R"
the fact that a lot of people are placing a red badge on their fd1 or fd2, makes having an actual fd2r less exclusive, therefore making people want the fn2r, if they wanna feel special.

Fung
23-08-2009, 03:00 AM
meh this thing never stops...like a woman's menstruation cycle...keeps repeating

IF Honda are so strictly dealing with ONLY PERFORMANCE CARS are allowed to have its PRIVILEGED red honda badge stuck up on their cars, why produce so many for aftermarket purchases?

Its only a cosmetic/visual upgrades item for us, no other particular meaning, I dont see how try hard/wannabe it is for ppl stickin up red honda badges on any honda cars. we are consumers, we buy, they sell we satisfies them with profits they make, they satisfy us with the product we receive, simple as that (am i makin sense??? anybody understand my fob english??)


Good on you, you can afford a type R, but if you hated us FD drivers, because we cant afford buying a proper Type R from honda, which makes you think we've downgraded your type R, you could always move on to something else, what abt a Lambo? Ferrari, Aston Martin or a Bugatti Veyron?


Geez...only a badge....not like ppl care...Oh its a red honda badge, its a honda performance car,
ohh what a crappy normal chrome honda badge, only a slow family car

Fung
23-08-2009, 03:05 AM
While you enjoy lookign the goods, pat yoruself on the back for making watered down Type Rs marketable.



sorry but i cant agree on that, FDs and FN2R is 2 totally different looking cars, how does FD drivers puttin a red H badge watered down the FN2R market??? if the individual have some sense of knowledge abt cars, they should know Australia dont have FD2Rs and hence, what they see is only a pretty looking FDs, not a Type R....some egomania here

NightRyder
23-08-2009, 08:55 AM
Yes the government and Honda Australia/Japan do hold the claim to the main players stopping the FD2R from bring imported, but surely you can see that the action of the "we love the colour red when it is surrounded by a silver H crowd" are, at the very least, not helping the cause.


Well, what else can be done if they aren't bringing the real deal to our shores? Their call right?

Mate, like I said, if it doesn't have the heart to be a real Type-R then it surely isn't. But people want to enjoy their ride by putting the Red H on and I don't think there is any problem with that. Just leave it dude!

If the FD2R was to come to our shores then I agree it would be expensive for many reasons and it even might not really be the real deal because yes it most likely would be a watered down version, not just because of the high octane fuel but other things such as Brembo's, etc. So what can you do? :)

Anyway, this debate is really going no where so I rest my case.

But I must say, I don't understand why Lexus was able to bring in their high performance variant of the Lexus IS250, namely the F, but yet they already have their silver L's here as mass market... :confused:
Can someone enlighten me?...hehe

curtis265
23-08-2009, 01:45 PM
What about skyilnes that put GTR badges on it?

I've even seen Getz's with GTR badges....

A badge is more than a coloured H i guess, but it's a bit more of an extreme case wannabe.

aero
23-08-2009, 07:14 PM
mmm getz gtr. where can i make a deposit?!

ej20i
23-08-2009, 07:52 PM
i saw a mugen badge on the toyota corolla and GTR on a lacer and a wrx scoop on the trunk of the MR2!
LOL!

Fung
23-08-2009, 09:44 PM
and we are bitching abt a red H badge on a honda car?

ej20i
23-08-2009, 10:41 PM
ummm no fung on a toyota!LOL!

curtis265
24-08-2009, 12:32 PM
Here's how i see it guys.

Red H badge on a Honda is just a nice colour. No biggie.
Type-R badge on a Civic is becoming wannabe.

Type-R, Mugen, GTR etc.. badges on Getz's, Corolla's, and anyother car that's not meant to have it in the first place.. is an idiot trying to see who's stupid enough to believe it.

One more question. If i buy a civic, do a K20A engine swap, and buy a few FD2R aero parts and slap em on, do i have a Type-R ???

Cvik_ryda
24-08-2009, 01:28 PM
meh this thing never stops...like a woman's menstruation cycle...keeps repeating

IF Honda are so strictly dealing with ONLY PERFORMANCE CARS are
LOL so true, ure a funny man

aero
24-08-2009, 05:21 PM
Here's how i see it guys.

Red H badge on a Honda is just a nice colour. No biggie.
Type-R badge on a Civic is becoming wannabe.

Type-R, Mugen, GTR etc.. badges on Getz's, Corolla's, and anyother car that's not meant to have it in the first place.. is an idiot trying to see who's stupid enough to believe it.

One more question. If i buy a civic, do a K20A engine swap, and buy a few FD2R aero parts and slap em on, do i have a Type-R ???

even if u did a full conversion and had every single fd2r part u could think of, its still not a 'genuine out of the factory fd2r'. it would be one hell of a copy tho!

curtis265
24-08-2009, 08:51 PM
^ it's a tough call isn't it. You can't call it a type R cos it wasn't born one, but you've worked hard to make it become one.

Fung
24-08-2009, 08:53 PM
ummm no fung on a toyota!LOL!



yeah....see what i mean, a corolla has a red H badge, a subaru with a RalliArt badge, mitsubishi with a Nismo badge

go bark at them, not us honda drivers with honda badges anything wrong with stickin a honda badge on a honda car? i see nothing is wrong abt that.

Fung
24-08-2009, 08:55 PM
even if u did a full conversion and had every single fd2r part u could think of, its still not a 'genuine out of the factory fd2r'. it would be one hell of a copy tho!

too bad, you are a wannabe!!!!
according to some TypeR drivers, thats wannabe!!! its not manufactured by Honda!!!

curtis265
24-08-2009, 09:05 PM
Ok what if you own a DC2R, and you crash it - chassis is totally gone but ur engine's more or less fine.

You then transplant your Type-R engine and other salvagable interior parts into a new regular DC2.

THen you go find other type-R parts and put it in - suspension, seats, steering wheel, emblems, wheels, everything that you could possibly get, such that the only original part from the DC2 is the chassis.

Is it now a Type-R?

some say no, some say yes.

JOhnnyFD
24-08-2009, 09:42 PM
Ok what if you own a DC2R, and you crash it - chassis is totally gone but ur engine's more or less fine.

You then transplant your Type-R engine and other salvagable interior parts into a new regular DC2.

THen you go find other type-R parts and put it in - suspension, seats, steering wheel, emblems, wheels, everything that you could possibly get, such that the only original part from the DC2 is the chassis.

Is it now a Type-R?

some say no, some say yes.

the engine is the most important part of a typeR.. everything like suspension, brakes, handling etc come second

but thats abit of a pickle.. ppl can just create a dc2r/fd2r with the right genuine parts and know-how on how to build one... but i would consider a true typeR car when it actually comes out of a japanese honda factory.. hehe

Fung
24-08-2009, 11:42 PM
it doesnt matter if you are driving a bugatti or a toyota prius, when you are in a 50 zone, you drive 50
the colour of the badge isnt a big deal....after all....its only a bloody car

aaronng
25-08-2009, 12:34 AM
the engine is the most important part of a typeR.. everything like suspension, brakes, handling etc come second


The engine of a type R is not that much more powerful. But the chassis, handling and suspension are all nicely matched to make it handle fast on the track. I'd say chassis first and engine second.

Also, if you transplanted every FD2R part into the FD1 or FD2, it still doesn't get the chassis spot welds, so you end up with a car that has stiff suspension but corners like tofu because of chassis flex.

JOhnnyFD
25-08-2009, 12:40 AM
all parts in any car would need to match each other in order to get the desire performance and especially more so in a typeR i mean

Sherweeeny
25-08-2009, 01:05 AM
the engine is the most important part of a typeR.. everything like suspension, brakes, handling etc come second

but thats abit of a pickle.. ppl can just create a dc2r/fd2r with the right genuine parts and know-how on how to build one... but i would consider a true typeR car when it actually comes out of a japanese honda factory.. hehe

i disagree... if u put FD2R parts into an FD, then essentially it is an FD2R as finished product!
some guy on the BMW forums stuck M3 parts from a 100% fine donor car into his sedan 318i... his finished product deserves an M3 badge id say!

swap parts from green one into blue one
http://www.simracing.no/e46/CIMG0740.jpg

almost done
http://www.simracing.no/e46fanatics/Dag57/DSC_0128.jpg

and done- this is 100% M3 to me!
http://www.simracing.no/e46fanatics/Dag57/DSC_0210.jpg
http://www.simracing.no/e46fanatics/Dag58/DSC_0106.jpg
http://www.simracing.no/e46fanatics/Dag58/DSC_0120.jpg
http://www.simracing.no/e46fanatics/Dag60/DSC_0014.jpg
http://www.simracing.no/e46fanatics/Dag61/DSC_0051.jpg

bodaas
25-08-2009, 01:37 AM
imo i would rather do straight on engine conversion and you dont have to do it exactly match like type r because majority peoples who own type r tend to remodify the car anyway.
Also you must wonder why so how many peoples selling their stock type r suspension or other part on trade section so why bother you do the conversion exactly the same on chassis and suspension part while you can get aftermarket part to replace all that.

bodaas
25-08-2009, 01:54 AM
red H is just a dam f****n Colour!!!same shit as we installing Mugen Kit, its not a mugen civic, does that mean we cant modify our car and let it stock?
thats kinda ridiculous aint it?

all i know your mugen style kit wont fit fd2r bumper mate, the one you having now is made for fd2 not fd2r and fd2 doesnt come in red badge

curtis265
26-08-2009, 01:33 AM
The engine of a type R is not that much more powerful. But the chassis, handling and suspension are all nicely matched to make it handle fast on the track. I'd say chassis first and engine second.

Also, if you transplanted every FD2R part into the FD1 or FD2, it still doesn't get the chassis spot welds, so you end up with a car that has stiff suspension but corners like tofu because of chassis flex.

Ifu haven't watched initialD... that tofu handles very well. :wave:


the engine is the most important part of a typeR.. everything like suspension, brakes, handling etc come second

but thats abit of a pickle.. ppl can just create a dc2r/fd2r with the right genuine parts and know-how on how to build one... but i would consider a true typeR car when it actually comes out of a japanese honda factory.. hehe

I agree. It wasn't born as a type-R so it isn't really one.

Fung
26-08-2009, 10:59 AM
its called a tran XD