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wynode
12-11-2004, 05:23 PM
Ok, Ben was meant to do this but he's been to lazy.....so I took the liberty :)

Disclaimer: The following is provided as a GUIDE ONLY, and neither myself nor Ozhonda take any responsibility for the outcomes of someone else doing the following. You follow these steps at your own risk!


Aim: To flush/bleed the brake fluid.

Required:
- 2 to 3 containers of Honda Brake fluid
- Some clear piping
- And old container to collect the old brake fluid in
- A friend to give you a hand! (not that kind of hand ok?)

Anyway....lets get to it

Steps:
1. Grab your piece of clear piping, make a hole in the top of the container use wish to use to collect the old fluid into and feed the pipe through like so:

http://www.ozhonda.com/gallery/data/2/medium/3IMG_4733.jpg
2. Next, jack up your car, support it with jack stands and take all the rims off.
3. Start at the wheel furthest away from the master cylinder (rear passenger side wheel).
4. Remove the dust cover off the bleed nipple and connect the clear piping/hose to the bleed nipple as so:

http://www.ozhonda.com/gallery/data/2/medium/3IMG_4734.jpg
Bleed nipple looks like this:
http://www.ozhonda.com/gallery/data/2/medium/3brake2.jpg

5. Ask your mate to jump into the driver seat and tell him to press the brake pedal (DOWN) and then release it (UP).

http://www.ozhonda.com/gallery/data/2/medium/3IMG_4735.jpg

6. After he/she has pressed and release the brake pedal, undo the bolt head of the bleed nipple and some of the old fluid should start going through the pipe and into the old container. Repeat this UP/DOWN procedure around 3-4 times or until the new fluid starts coming through the nipple.

An alternative is to keep pumping the brake pedal rather quickly until the new fluid comes through the nipple (this saves having to continually open/close the bleed nipple).

7. As you are doing this, keep topping up the fluid in the master cylinder reservoir. You MUST make sure that the level in the reservoir does not drop below the low mark or else air will enter the system. This is a big NO NO!

http://www.ozhonda.com/gallery/data/2/medium/3IMG_4739.jpg

8. Once you see the new fluid coming out of the pipe, tighten up the bleed nipple and ask your friend to stop with the DOWN/UP motion of the brake pedal.

9. Now move to the rear driver side wheel and repeat steps 4-8.
10. Now move to the front passenger side wheel and repeat steps 4-8.
11. Now move to the front driver side wheel and repeat steps 4-8.
12. Clean the lid of the brake fluid reservoire and replace it nice and tight till it clicks.
13. Go for a drive around the street and make a few hard stops (give your self some braking distance JUST in case air has got into the system).

If the pedal feels soft/spungy or you are getting brake fade after this, chances are you might have let air into the system. In this case, repeat the process until there is no air in the system.

That's it! :)

EDIT: Updated the 'pumping' procedure due to some feedback :)

bennjamin
12-11-2004, 05:45 PM
Fantastic write up boys :)
Pity i was too busy with lady friend to do this for the team !

Are those suby jeans i see in the 4th pic ? lol....

KEEP em comign people !

GenV
13-11-2004, 12:02 PM
Nice write up!
Will it still work if I dont have ripped jeans at the knee? :)

bennjamin
13-11-2004, 12:04 PM
Nice write up!
Will it still work if I dont have ripped jeans at the knee? :)
Thats the sexy option - promotes much faster "pumping" :)

Chi
13-11-2004, 12:56 PM
I tried this with mate last time, got alotta air bubbles.

Tried to let it bleed again, but still got air bubbles.

Any way to get rid of it?

bennjamin
13-11-2004, 01:07 PM
Just make sure ur mate is sittign in the drivers seat , slowly pumping the brake pedal as YOU check both teh master cylinder / top it up , AND check the fluid coming out of the caliper.

you DID start furthest brake away from master yes Chi ? ( 1st = rear left , 2nd = rear right , 3rd = front left , 4th = front right.)

wynode
13-11-2004, 04:15 PM
Air can enter the system 2 ways

1. You don't top up the reservoir before it goes too low
2. You let air enter the system via the bleed nipple.

Chi
13-11-2004, 06:06 PM
I did wot ben said, i think its from teh bleed nipple.

Will try again today.

Cos we didnt place the tube leading away from teh nipple into a well contained container.

Just placed it into a wide open plastic take away container lol *slaps head*

wynode
13-11-2004, 06:27 PM
That should be ok......just make sure (in between the pumping of the pedal) that the fluid doesn't creep up the tube and into the nipple (taking air with it).

SPEEDCORE
13-11-2004, 07:56 PM
Thank god for disclaimers eh Wyn?


Required: - 2 to 3 containers of Honda MTF


;)

spoondc2
14-11-2004, 02:07 AM
Wahahah you are right Speedcore..........
Honda MTF.....
:rolleyes:

bennjamin
14-11-2004, 04:20 AM
Wahahah you are right Speedcore..........
Honda MTF.....
:rolleyes:

bwhahahahah i just realised.....

Win...you FOOL u put transmission fluid into my brakes ? NOOOoooo

wynode
14-11-2004, 02:54 PM
Thank god for disclaimers eh Wyn?




;)
ROFL!! Sorry my bad.......i've been reading too much on gearboxes lately!

Updated first post! :D

civiceg9
14-11-2004, 11:21 PM
I think I will try this
my brake fluid looks like soya sauce :D

ECU-MAN
15-11-2004, 12:12 AM
Chi
bleeding the brakes is a peice of cake, you shouldnt be getting air in the system if you do it right. like Win says dont let your master cylinder run out of fluid as it will create air pockets in the brake lines. what I do though is at step 8 just before I move to the next wheel I say UP to the person with the ripped jeans and make sure the nipple is closed, say Down , then OPen the nipple, wait till the fluid in the tube stops flowing then close the nipple, then say UP. do this 3 times. then on the last down get them to pump the pedal while you got the nipple closed and then get them to hold the pedal down, you only brifly open and close the nipple. do this to all four wheels and your sure not to get any air in the system. sorry Win for hijacking your nice thread.

vtc
15-11-2004, 12:17 AM
When and how often do you do this? Thanks

ECU-MAN
15-11-2004, 12:23 AM
every 20000kms or at least 12months also do your ABS if you got a pre 96 car, unless you got the special tool take it to Honda for the ABS. post 96 have the low pressure abs wich works off the master cylinder resivor so the ABS gets bleed with the brakes.

egSi
15-11-2004, 01:13 PM
nice write up win, exactly what i needed. gotta flush my fluids asap ;)

SINISTR
01-12-2004, 06:31 PM
just a quick comment - what ECU-MAN wrote about the 8th step is VERY CORRECT!

when you pump the brake pedal while the bleeder is open, you are allowing air to slip back into the system.

Best Way to do it (like ECU-MAN said) is to have your friend Push the brake down and hold it down, you undo the bleeder valve, let the fluid and air out - MAKE SURE YOUR FRIEND IS STILL HOLDING THE PEDAL DOWN - LET IS SLIDE DOWN WHEN OPENING THE VALVE. then you close the valve and have your friend release the pedal. pump 1 or 2 times, press and hold the pedal, while you undo the valve and let the fluid flow while the pedal plunges to the floor - just repeat that!

wynode
02-12-2004, 01:06 AM
just a quick comment - what ECU-MAN wrote about the 8th step is VERY CORRECT!

when you pump the brake pedal while the bleeder is open, you are allowing air to slip back into the system.



8. Once you see the new fluid coming out of the pipe, tighten up the bleed nipple and ask your friend to stop pumping the brake. (I suggest you get him to stop pumping the pedal AFTER you have done up the bleed nipple to stop air entering via the bleed nipple)

SINISTR
02-12-2004, 04:11 PM
so what are u saying?? :p

did i say something wrong?

in the first post - point number 8 suggests stopping pumping the pedal after you close the bleeder so no air gets in...
I said you can't pump the pedal while the bleeder is open... ??? once you close the bleeder - pump all you want... no air will get in or out...

Mike

tinkerbell
02-12-2004, 05:57 PM
"ok, pump 1, 2, 3 HOLD!"

release bleed

pedal drops to floor

close bleed

"again, pump 1, 2, 3 HOLD!"

release bleed

pedal drops to floor

close bleed

"no more bubbles, gonna do the next wheel dad!"

"OK, let me know when to pump, the pedal getting harder"

"cool"

the KEY is the HOLD command

tinkerbell
02-12-2004, 06:01 PM
yeah - step 5 need to be modified,

i suggest:

5. Ask your mate to jump into the driver seat and tell him to pump the pedal 3 or 4 times and then hold it to maintain pressure.

vtc
18-12-2004, 11:04 AM
well if your bleeding... and your mate is pumping, who is pouring in the extra brake fluid? Do you need 3ppl then?

Also on average how many 500ml bottles would you need?

Sp3rMz
18-12-2004, 04:37 PM
Just a warning for all DIY goers. If you really don't know what you're doing or confident please leave it to the pros. Mucking around with the brakes is not a safe thing. One thing goes wrong, ur brakes will fail and you'll go flying into a wall some where.

ECU-MAN
18-12-2004, 10:38 PM
you should be able to bleed any honda with 500ml brake fluid.
you onlu need to peeps to do the job.
like sp3rmz says dont do it if your not 100% sure what your doing.

BlitZ
23-12-2004, 01:57 PM
problems wiht this post...
:thumbdwn: you can possibly blow your master cycliner seals!
:thumbdwn: and u alwasy tighten it after every fluid pump/step..ie.. squirt-tighten-squirt-tighten.. and not continuously pump. else your just sucking air via the vlave back into the systemmmmmmm

just my 2 cents

tinkerbell
23-12-2004, 02:00 PM
problems wiht this post...
:thumbdwn: you can possibly blow your master cycliner seals!
:thumbdwn: and u alwasy tighten it after every fluid pump/step... else your just sucking air via the vlave back into the systemmmmmmm

just my 2 cents
you need to use more/bigger/more descriptive words for your comments to be of any use...

maybe give us 50 cents or more even...

ECU-MAN
23-12-2004, 10:50 PM
problems wiht this post...
:thumbdwn: you can possibly blow your master cycliner seals!
:thumbdwn: and u alwasy tighten it after every fluid pump/step..ie.. squirt-tighten-squirt-tighten.. and not continuously pump. else your just sucking air via the vlave back into the systemmmmmmm

just my 2 cents
Umm

No
and
NO

BlitZ
24-12-2004, 09:52 AM
Umm


No
and
NOFor the 2nd NO... all direct from honda tech as quoted -
quote 1
"Be sure to close the bleed valve on a slow down push of the pedal(so air doesn't enter)"
quote 2
" loosen screw friend gently pushes brake down hold tighten screw and repeat until no bubbles "

Each time u release the pedal you are sucking air back in the valve if u dont tighten the valve.. on the up motion it drawing air into your system...

Correct me otherwise

tinkerbell
24-12-2004, 09:57 AM
yeah, i see what you mean.

close/tighten the bleed nipple on the caliper before the pedal gets pumped.

once the pedal is pumped, open/loosen the nipple and let the fluid out, then close/tighten the nipple before the pedal gets pumped.

i think that is the point i made earlier...

tinkerbell
24-12-2004, 09:58 AM
Each time u release the pedal you are sucking air back in the valve if u dont tighten the valve.. on the up motion it drawing air into your system...

yes, this i pretty much correct.

joneblaze
24-12-2004, 02:22 PM
LOL...Danny: 1, OzHonda Mod: 0.

tinkerbell
24-12-2004, 04:22 PM
um, BlitZ lost 1 point cause he used horrible syntax.

so it is actually nil all...

*if* we are clear on the situation, can someone edit the top post (point 5) to reflect the discussion?

ECU-MAN
25-12-2004, 12:35 AM
fellas I dont want to start a brake bleeding war nor trying to be a smart ass know it all,
You dont have to agree with me, but I do know 200% that you can open the bleed nipple and pump the pedal up and down up and down with out closing the nipple. only works if you pump faster than normal, pumping it slowly will allow the fluid to flow back in possibly with air bubbles. but this is not the way to end your brake bleed, you MUST end with down then open then close, up, down then open then close, up a few times ( 3 or 4 ), you use this method to flush fluid through. also works with the clutch. I challenge anyone to prove that this procedure will not work. I also dont give a f@#k what honda tech say. Iv been doing it this way for over 10 years, havnt killed a master cylinder or got air in the system ( other than letting the fluid run low in the master cylinder ).

wynode
25-12-2004, 02:47 PM
*as above*

I've done this by keeping the nipple open and the assistant just pumping the pedal up and down (the key like John said is to make sure the assistant pumps the pedal fast enough).

If you see the fluid going back up the clear pipe, just do up the nipple again. It isn't really that hard.

*sigh*

wynode
25-12-2004, 02:57 PM
Ok i've just updated the first post for those of you who seem to be getting confused.

Personally, I find it much easier to just have the assistant pumping the brake pedal till all the old fluid is out (saves having to upen/close the bleed nipple all the time.

tinkerbell
26-12-2004, 06:17 PM
fellas I dont want to start a brake bleeding war nor trying to be a smart ass know it all,
You dont have to agree with me, but I do know 200% that you can open the bleed nipple and pump the pedal up and down up and down with out closing the nipple. only works if you pump faster than normal, pumping it slowly will allow the fluid to flow back in possibly with air bubbles. but this is not the way to end your brake bleed, you MUST end with down then open then close, up, down then open then close, up a few times ( 3 or 4 ), you use this method to flush fluid through. also works with the clutch. I challenge anyone to prove that this procedure will not work. I also dont give a f@#k what honda tech say. Iv been doing it this way for over 10 years, havnt killed a master cylinder or got air in the system ( other than letting the fluid run low in the master cylinder ).
a few critical aspects of the proceedure that seem to have been glossed over then eh?

glad you have clarified it for everyone else ;)

PS - you should agree that as it was previously written in the first post it would have been unlikely that the proceedure would have been successful for a newbie...

wynode
27-12-2004, 11:32 PM
True........but I'm pretty sure I put something in there (before editing the post) explaining that you must make sure that the fluid doesn't make its way back up the hose and suck air in..........meh.....as long as we are all clear on it now :)

pornstar
29-12-2004, 06:42 PM
can we stone wyn to death for this oversight?

Me lines up :) jk wyn ;)

wynode
03-01-2005, 04:58 PM
LOL you think that was bad Andy? When I first wrote it up...i said MTF instead of brake fluid ;)

Cr@ckerJ@ck
04-01-2005, 12:51 PM
Hey all, great write-up Wyn :thumbsup:

Just another tip in relation to getting air in the brake lines.

You can buy a "one way bleed valve" from supercheap auto for about $18 and this alone makes the job so much easier, one person can do this job in under an hour.

Lukezen27
19-12-2005, 01:27 PM
Hi guys

I'm trying to do this my myself with a one-man bleed kit but I've run into a problem

When I undo the built the lets the fluid run out through the nib it only leaks out from that bolt and not out the nib

Anyone know why this is and how do I fix it?

HELP LukeZen

tinkerbell
19-12-2005, 01:29 PM
the nipple may be blocked with dirt,

remove it completely and clean it out.

then replace it and try again...

Lukezen27
19-12-2005, 01:30 PM
the nipple may be blocked with dirt,

remove it completely and clean it out.

then replace it and try again...

Hi tinker

how do I stop fluid going everywhere wile I'm doing that?

tinkerbell
19-12-2005, 01:33 PM
hmmmm, sorry, you probably cant...

use your finger? or some rag?

or some duct tape?

it wont take you long to remove whatever is blocking the nipple outlet...

just have a thin long nail ready and do it quickly...

i hope you are wearing some form of gloves, as brake fluid will get on your hands and will burn the skin badly...

Lukezen27
19-12-2005, 01:35 PM
hmmmm, sorry, you probably cant...

use your finger? or some rag?

or some duct tape?

it wont take you long to remove whatever is blocking the nipple outlet...

just have a thin long nail ready and do it quickly...

i hope you are wearing some form of gloves, as brake fluid will get on your hands and will burn the skin badly...

gloves? what are gloves :p

I'll give it a go right now :thumbsup:

michael_antoi
07-02-2006, 05:34 PM
is this the same process for rear drums?

rota
07-02-2006, 05:48 PM
How much brake fluid do you need to do a flush?
500ml?

ECU-MAN
07-02-2006, 10:47 PM
yep 500ml

and yes drum set up is the same concept,
you need 8mm spanner for rear drum cylinder bleed nipples

wynode
22-07-2006, 12:10 AM
Updated pics!

tinkerbell
04-11-2006, 04:40 PM
I tried this with mate last time, got alotta air bubbles.

Tried to let it bleed again, but still got air bubbles.

Any way to get rid of it?

just to add - this can also be due to air entering via the thread of the bleed nipple,

remove the nipple and apply some plumbing tape (PTFE) to the thread to seal it :thumbsup:

preludacris
04-11-2006, 06:10 PM
i will try this in summer . thanks tinkerbell and ecu man for great advice!

umm not meaning to go OT or anything, but
in regards to brake fluid. Wat types are there. Do you guys just use Honda? is there better types out there, maybe with higher boiling temp. or something ? sorry im noob about this.

tinkerbell
05-11-2006, 08:54 AM
i race my car on the circuit often, i use Motul RBF600 fluid, $50 per litre,

it has a very high boiling point, but needs more frequent replacement compared to OEM...

shebangs
20-07-2007, 02:43 PM
Here is a a really good, concise how to for changing Brake Fluid, ABS and Clutch Fluid on a pre-face lift Integra.

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=632721

As much as this thread was helpful, reading both (from a different author/context point of view) made it simple to understand.

Bludger
12-12-2007, 12:29 PM
whats is the order of bleeding on ABS equiped dc2r?

Bludger
21-12-2007, 02:26 AM
bump

anyone?

EG30
21-12-2007, 05:16 AM
I just bled our dc2r brakes last week. I always start from the wheel furthest away from the MC, so in this car and most RHD Hondas it's LR 1st, followed by RR, LF and RF. Used just over 500ml of fluid.

There are diff theories on the bleeding seq, I have always stuck to this seq on all types of cars and never had a problem for me.

tinkerbell
21-12-2007, 09:10 AM
hmmmm, not sure if that is "correct" to say for DC2's

i follow the Honda Manual that states:

Front left, Front Right then Rear Right, Rear Left.

tinkerbell
21-12-2007, 09:15 AM
http://home.exetel.com.au/tinkerbell/DC2bleedseq.jpg

BTW - this is also the same for DC5's

Simmo2302
04-01-2008, 06:24 PM
in my civic manual its Front left, front right, rear right, rear left aswell.

i used the bleed device from superchep so any air/old fluid doesnt get sucked back up.

also device has a plastic locking bit on it so the plastic tube locks around the head of the nipple so no air can go back in, which was very helpful cos i first attempted o do it with a bit of pvc fishtank air hose which fit very snug over nipple but air kept getting back in.

got a mate to pump the pedal 4 me while i checked the mater cylinder.


vey easy to do :-)

twing
14-07-2008, 03:08 PM
Did this yesterday. Rounded the rear 8mm bleeder screw. :(
Should have used flare spanner, not the open ended one.

So guys, how to replace the bleeder screw? Just unscrew it and put new one in? Will the brake fluid shoot out when the screw is out?

tinkerbell
14-07-2008, 03:19 PM
no , it will just slowly dribble out if you remove the bleeder screw (unless someone presses the brake pedal!!!)

to encourage an air proof seal - use a few wraps of PTFE tape around the new bleeder screw thread...

gbang007
30-07-2008, 09:56 PM
is this also the exact same for a brake drum? coz i done this on an ek with disc brake but wanna know if drum is the same. is the nipple at the same position? or do you have to take off the cover?

Mooks79
18-08-2008, 02:56 AM
nice right up easy to follow the steps, gotta give this a go tomoro my pad r gone....

Mooks79
18-08-2008, 02:58 AM
is this also the exact same for a brake drum? coz i done this on an ek with disc brake but wanna know if drum is the same. is the nipple at the same position? or do you have to take off the cover?

For the drum brake theres a nipple behind the drum brake, and yeah same procedure......dont have to take the cover off unless u want to change the rear pads...

Rice_banger
31-10-2008, 01:30 AM
going to attempt this tomorrow , just to clarify for brake fluid in a EK1 rear drums 2000 model how much fluid will i need ?

also what is the order of wheels to do it in , just want to double cheek

thanks

tinkerbell
31-10-2008, 08:00 AM
i have tried both ways an not noticed a difference...

so i start at the front left and go clockwise...

Rice_banger
02-11-2008, 05:15 PM
ok cool , ok now so how many bottles precisely goes into a EK 1 with ABS i think , i understand due to its a 2000 model this will also flush ABS at once

im not the best at bleeding / flushing but im not to bad as i understand it involves amount of experience to determine how much fluid needed

tinkerbell
03-11-2008, 09:49 AM
are you just re-bleeding or have you removed lines etc?

Rice_banger
03-11-2008, 10:09 PM
completed doing it today , all i did was remove bleed nipples and have some one push down on the brake pedal then re attach and tell them to lift foot and contuie doing for about 10 pumps /wheel

i keep fearing i got air into the system but this is the same way i did my clutch and it came fine

thank you for this guide

so amm how do i add a rep point i owe a fair few people some points

JZ45HO
17-01-2009, 09:28 PM
where can you buy the OEM Honda brake fluid from besides the Honda dealers?

beeza
29-08-2009, 06:53 PM
This write up is missing something...

When do you put the new fluid in?

confused..

vinnY
31-08-2009, 01:14 AM
7. As you are doing this, keep topping up the fluid in the master cylinder reservoir. You MUST make sure that the level in the reservoir does not drop below the low mark or else air will enter the system. This is a big NO NO!

theres your answer:p

beeza
31-08-2009, 04:05 PM
So you pour the new one into the old one?.. wouldn't they just mix or does it sit on top?..

vinnY
31-08-2009, 04:08 PM
well what you can do is suck as much old fluid out of the reservoir first then fill it up with new fluid before you start pumping
makes the job faster if you don't want to work through the old fluid

beeza
31-08-2009, 04:22 PM
AH,gotcha,cheers Vin!!

beeza
13-10-2009, 10:42 AM
Is it OK to use Castrol Dot 4 Brake fluid in my 96EK1 Civic?

I'm pretty sure it is but...

Limbo
13-10-2009, 01:41 PM
i do, i use the castrol response super dot 4, and its fine, even when tracking

aaronng
13-10-2009, 01:59 PM
Is it OK to use Castrol Dot 4 Brake fluid in my 96EK1 Civic?

I'm pretty sure it is but...

Yup, that is fine. I use the same in mine if I can't get Honda fluid (which in Aus is also Dot 4)

beeza
13-10-2009, 02:05 PM
Thanks mate,I thought so but someone put the ol'

"You should only use genuine honda fluids in your Honda" line.

I was like - "BS"

:)

Thanks Aaron!!

aaronng
13-10-2009, 02:52 PM
Thanks mate,I thought so but someone put the ol'

"You should only use genuine honda fluids in your Honda" line.

I was like - "BS"

:)

Thanks Aaron!!

If someone tells you that about brake fluid, just look at your brake fluid reservoir cap and it will say to use DOT3/DOT4 rated fluid. Doesn't say to use Honda. :p However, on the newer Hondas, it says to use only Honda brake fluid. LOL.

beeza
13-10-2009, 03:01 PM
hehe,sa-weet! :)

insanesam
08-03-2010, 09:04 AM
when pumping the brakes, do you have the cap on the reservoir?