EG Civic question!

[DKS51R]

Hi all, long time since I've posted, but looking to buy an EG and have come to a fork in the road (choosing between two cars)

1) 1991 EG SI Civic - 270k
2) 1994 EG GLI Civic - 220k

The 94 is more expensive, but does have rego, the 91 is lowered, and does not come with a RWC but it prob requires std. springs, airfilter and maybe a steering rack (felt funny upon driving)

Know, I know that the SI is more desirable i.e. the 1.6@96kw, but which should I choose? the GLI is in good condition, but is after all a GLI (but being the later model is equipped with airbag, electrics etc)

Tell me which should I go for?

Cheers

[Chi]

What do you want out of the car?

And how much in price different are we talking about?

[EK1.6LCIV]

whichever doesnt owe money, need work to drive, doesnt have large dents or rust, smell like fish or have anything missing

[Mr EG]

Depends, if your willing to work on your car. I would chose Si, since I have one. GLI is nothing special.

Maybe post up some pics, if it's abit of rust it's alright just work on it to get rid of it. Dents can be worked on. Depends on what you like mate. How much are the 2 cars? Pics?

[DKS51R]

All i'm after is a daily beater. the 1.6 is pokey, but it does have 270k after all. Neither owe money (i think), they both have loose front bars and thankfully neither smell like fish

[DKS51R]

Si - $2000 but needs at least $600 to drive (rego, springs, extras)
Gli - $3200, but have offered $2700 (sit in and drive)

The GLi is also lowered, front and rear strut braces and is a 94 model (electric windows, srs steering wheel, a/c etc)



Depends, if your willing to work on your car. I would chose Si, since I have one. GLI is nothing special.

Maybe post up some pics, if it's abit of rust it's alright just work on it to get rid of it. Dents can be worked on. Depends on what you like mate. How much are the 2 cars? Pics?

[Mr EG]

I'd pick the Si over anything, DOHC is sexy ;)

In the long run you are gonna spend money on your car anyways if your planning to mod it etc... So why not go with the Si? But my opinion I wouldn't buy anything over 170,000km. And do a REV's check on both cars. :)

[MWAKU]

i'd go the 94.. gli still goes alright, you don't need any power neway, plus 96kw is nothing, so gli is like 74kw? who cares about 20kw lol, go for the newer one and less Ks and with more options and less hassle to get it going. gli has more options, safer, and 3 years newer, with less Ks..

rather be safe aswell, airbags bla bla.

my mate had a gli wit 255000kms, still went strong so yeah but its up 2 you

[hussLEr]

Interesting, but not-so unique pickle you're in!..

I'd say Si, purely on the fact that it has more potential with it's engine and brake package that it already has.

Twin cam + 4 wheel disc brakes > single cam + rear drums

You can always retrofit some rear disc to the GLi, but that would cost money!..Though I can see you're consideration of the Gli with it's airbag.

[DKS51R]

In the long run it will get a b16.

[Mr EG]

My opinion I don't like B16, everyone has them.

If you're gonna get a B16 then get the Si since it cheaper anyways. And then get your engine conversion.

[dougie_504]

i'd go the 94.. gli still goes alright, you don't need any power neway, plus 96kw is nothing, so gli is like 74kw? who cares about 20kw lol, go for the newer one and less Ks and with more options and less hassle to get it going. gli has more options, safer, and 3 years newer, with less Ks..

rather be safe aswell, airbags bla bla.

my mate had a gli wit 255000kms, still went strong so yeah but its up 2 you


Yeah but don't tell me if you could get one with 116kw you wouldn't get it instead of the Si with 96kw, right? 20kw is a fair difference at that level I think.

But you're right, get the newer one with lower KMs if you're doing a swap...

[Fly-Rice]

I just bought a EG VTI, how much would a b series cost to install?

[Mr EG]

I just bought a EG VTI, how much would a b series cost to install?

Worse question ever. Depends.

[Fly-Rice]

Ok. Im only new at this mate.
I was thinking about doing a B16a conversion. What is a rough estimate of the conversion + installation.

Van.

[Mr EG]

Ok. Im only new at this mate.
I was thinking about doing a B16a conversion. What is a rough estimate of the conversion + installation.

Van.


Should be around 3k-4k, it was a worse question because you didn't state what B series you wanted it all ranges ;)

[DKS51R]

Back on topic. Yes I will convert it... way down the track. I'm really after a normal cal for an average of 100k's per day travel. These are the two that are in my area at the moment, but i'm sure if I wait there will be others.
So the gli doesn't have 4 discs only fronts and drum rears? hmmmm interesting.

[Mr EG]

Back on topic. Yes I will convert it... way down the track. I'm really after a normal cal for an average of 100k's per day travel. These are the two that are in my area at the moment, but i'm sure if I wait there will be others.
So the gli doesn't have 4 discs only fronts and drum rears? hmmmm interesting.

Nope GLI doesn't. I was in this phaze when I was buying my car, I couldn't picked over Si, VTI, GLI. Bought a Si ever since and love it. :) But mine is a 1993 Si. :D

[TheSaint]

i have a 1993 Gli Sedan

i have had it from 150kms - 300kms on the clock and never had a problem with it, it still runs as good as it did when i first got it

provided it has been looked after and serviced and fussed over

personally i didnt like the idea of the Si, the power difference wasnt that exciting and the brakes arnt that mutch different either ... i spose if you havnt driven cars like the type-r and wrx than u may be a bit more fussy ... but to me either of them arnt 'sporty' cars so meh

i still love my civic, it handles almost as good as my integra did with a front strut bar and the D15b7 is suprisingly awsome with a cold air intake kit ... but its still not a 'fast' car

my opinion is ... if you are going to do an engine swap anyway ... get the GLI and upgrade the brakes to VTIR brakes and put slotted rotors and better pads on the front when you do the conversion

[MWAKU]

if u are really fussy on the brakes, my mate has a slotted rear disk brake conversion for about 450.

exactly what TheSaint has said, neither are sports car, so they arn't going ne where very quick. and if ur not going to do a conversion way down, might aswell get the GLi. electric options, airbags this that.

but pick the one thats in better condition.

[teh_mechanic]

noticed you said one might need the steering rack replaced. this costs alot, or if your doing it yourseld its an absolute bitch, and im a mechanic that was using a hoist. avoid having to do it

[dougie_504]

Yeah before you go buying a B16A just make sure you're getting a later variant as the early ones from the CRX SiR for example won't legally transplant into your newer Civic (engine must be newer than the vehicle).

So you'll need something like a B16A2 from a Gen 3 CRX, probably $2500 +/- for the full conversion and another $1k minimum for installation. If you're changing engines you may as well also change all your pumps and shit while you're at it so for a top notch job you'll surely pay $4000+.

But it's worth it to pay more. Just do it once and do it properly...

[DKS51R]

Cool thanks for the advice!
I've had a shiteload of turbos recently, so i don't want a sports car, but all i'm really after is a car to get me from home to work and then home again with little fuss. The SI was more sought after as to me its like comparing an RS Impreza to a WRX. But, the only thing swaying me to the GLI is the minimal hassle (i.e. i don't need to muck around with rwc and unregistered vehicle permits)
I'll keep you all updated!

Darko

[altong0840]

i like Si~ as it is twin cam~ it is more stable i think?

[TheSaint]

lol comparing an SI to a GLI ... IS NOT ... like comparing an RS to a WRX

they are almost the exact same car, the GLI is a more comfortable daily

go for the one in the better condition and better service log at the end of the day

[tiksie]

Ok. Im only new at this mate.
I was thinking about doing a B16a conversion. What is a rough estimate of the conversion + installation.

Van.

If you already have a VTi it's not worth doing a B16A conversion, there's not a huge difference.

Your better off getting a D16A8 and turbo'ing it, then you will be on par with EG's with B18's (I've seen it many many times).

To OP, Si and GLi don't really have any difference when it comes to power to the ground wise, GLi's are preety fast for what they are..

TheSaint;
How is a GLi more comfortable ? I am just curious to see why you would say that as they are the same thing with different brakes and different engine..And the interior colour.

I have owned all EG's, to be honest, the most uncomfortable one was the VTi due to the low roof!!!!!! The best on petrol but SLOWEST was the Breeze, the one that sounded the nicest is the GL and the great all-rounder is the GLi and also good in a sense that it has mounts for rear speakers other then the parcel tray!

Technicaly speaking, buying a Si or a Gli, your getting preety much the same thing, really depends what you want it for though.

[hussLEr]

You sure Tiksie that there isn't much gains in installing b16 in the VTI?...d16y would get owned every day of the week in my personal experience :thumbsup:

Supposedly d16y1 (vti) and d16a8 (si) are similar in performance, and if that's anything to go by, you'd decisively lose your pinks going up against a b16 nearly everytime.

..I know...personally I had a Si hatch with stock d16a8. Went like a piece of shit compared to stock b16 in an ek4 and em1.

[Fly-Rice]

what about the difference between a B16a vtir and a b18c vtir?

What are the differences besides the extra 200cc.

[MWAKU]

dude just on google and type in b16a specs and b18c2 specs

[dougie_504]

Well if you just want a day-to-day car then don't do a B16A swap. There's no point if it's just for getting here and there, correct? Daily driver's don't cost $4k in unnecessary mods.


I have an EH VTi with the D16Y1 for my daily, and I also have an EF8 CRX SiR with the B16A as my 'fun car'. The B16A pulls way ****in' harder, and not just because the car is 150kg lighter.

The stock D16Y1 pulls about as hard as a D16A8 but if you're not happy with the performance of either and decide to mod them then you'd be better off with the D16A8 because it's DOHC and you'll get more power for your basic mobs.


So if you want a daily, go for what's best in condition. If you want a budget/nippy car then get the Si and do cheap I/H/E, it'll out-do the mod'd D16Y1. Don't get a B16A man, it's just a daily...