b18cr build... can sum1 help me make a recipie for 150kwatw?? :)

[DC:51:VE]

DONT SPAM MY THREAD WITH STUPID QUIESTIONS AND INACURATE INFO


hey everyone.. im looking to build my engine.. this isnt another "oh im gona do this n that n blah blah thread" just bought my power fc and oil cooler and am looking to get rest of the bits n pieces together to pull it off..

was hoping you could all help me with choosing the right parts, getting right work done to the head to get this done properly :)

iv seen stock dc2rs make 130 atw with nice brand named bolt ons..

iv got 5zigen headersm mugen twin loop zorst, gruppe m intake.. ect ect..

so yeah.. let me kno what u think :)

[johnprocter]

cams, good engine management, good tune, titanium valve springs, retainers

[TODA AU]

No offence, but you really won't get a real anwer online...
Fact is there are few people on here who can really tell you how to do this...
(There are plenty of B/S artists) & those that can tell you, probably won't.

I will give you a tip though... You'll need to start from scratch....
That is what you have already won't cut it.

[damienm]

i dont think you can really achieve 150atw even with cams.
just turbo the motor n run low boost.

[Cooker]

I agree with Adrian, what you have isn't gona cut it. Unless you crack the motor open and pour in the dollers 150kw atw aint gona happen.
People do 150kw atw with fully built B20's, doing that in a B18CR is gona be lots of $$$$.
You will get 130kw with decent bolt ons without cracking the engine open and going high comp pistons etc etc

[GSi_PSi]

no offence buddy but weres these dc2rs with 130kw with bolt-on parts lol.

Only way to reach that would be a worked B20V

[Wace]

yeah sorry to shatter ur dreamz bud but without boost thats not reli possible, best options for u are to sell ur b18 and build urself a b20 or throw in a k24

[Slaz]

It can be done, has been done, but it costs making that power with that displacment, when you say B18C, do you mean staying with a 87.2 stroke and stock sleeves/bore size, what comp and what fuel are you willing to run all the time?

A better question, whats your budget to achieve this goal of yours?

[hotdc2]

Only way to reach that would be a worked B20V

no it's not
;)

[GSi_PSi]

no it's not
;)

lol tru its not... haha dont burn me wid k series :(

B series original vtec ftw :thumbsup:

[Chr1s]

You have to open the motor to do such work to obtain the goals you want - properly.

There is alot of options but you would need to raise the displacement from the 1.8 to have a real chance and maintain reliability.

wace, gsipsi - b20 fan boys :p

[Benson]

There are many dc2r's floating around with 130kw with unopen motors with decent bolt-ons. Remember do your research first. My old unopen b18c7 made around 127kw with just headers, intake and Tune.

And Slaz is right, it has been done. There are a few in the supersprint series, but they have spent a buckleload of money.

[Wace]

^ and did ur 127kw b18c7 prove it self on the track-1/4mile. Wat times please

[tinkerbell]

lol, here we go! dyno number questioning has begun!

OP - need to know your budget...

and can you DIY or would you be paying someone to build it all for you?

[Benson]

^ and did ur 127kw b18c7 prove it self on the track-1/4mile. Wat times please

13.6@103mph only 1 outing ;)

Like What Tinkerbell said, dont go chasing dyno numbers for the sake of it. The motor needs to make decent power across the entire rev range

[tinkerbell]

Like What Tinkerbell said, dont go chasing dyno numbers for the sake of it.

what is more important is to know the baseline.

then set a goal from there...

be it a 1/4 mile time & MPH or a dyno number.

dyno's can be variable, 1320 feet is less so...

[BlitZ]

dyno doesnt mean much..

but to get consistent 130kw atw with bolt ons alone is unheard of... unless its disney watts

[BlitZ]

13.6@103mph only 1 outing ;)


yeah.. that is cause u are a pro racer..

What did u get in a stock ITR ? wasnt it 13.x or something?

[KLR-16A]

To achieve 150kw will require a snail bolted onto ur engine man. The only way u may achive this n/a is by strokin ur motor maybe with the best of the best bolt ons. b18crs are nice motors but, wat u plannin to put it in???

[MikeyG]

a waste of money to try to get 150atw... have a look at one of eg builds the guy is fom qld.. he basiclly got all internals parts from JUN and i think got 150atw not too sure but ye...

only way to get 150 from type r snail on low boost.. or get excellent parts for the turbo conversion and at 8psi your looking at 220-240atw.. have a look at that guys dc2r turbo 7 or 8 psi making 239 atw

[bennjamin]

My old unopen b18c7 made around 127kw with just headers, intake and Tune.


yup my old b18c7 made 116kw with just nothing. But numbers dont mean anything I dont see the point of this thread. Its asking for a number on paper , not relevant performance or stats etc.

[OMG.JAI xD]

Pistons, rods, light crank, Vtec killer cams, springs n retainers, cam gears, high discharge ignition setup, ITB, CAI, properly tuned exhaust, ECU, bigger fuel pump, fuel reg, huge injectors (only because...), c16 race fuel. 14:1 comp ratio, revving to 11,000rpm

Brands are up to you.
My list might be a little bit overkill.
But hey, you never said anything about street-ability.


Youre better of buying BYP's engine package. A better and more reliably built motor.
Take word from people that know what theyre doing.

[fatboyz39]

It can be done wth a B18C we know of a B18A with a P72 head making 148kw it has 12.5 to 1 comp very developed cyl head Toda valve train Toda Spec-C cams,custom 4 throttle intake manifold,scat rods,wiseco pistons,bigtube replica header,this engine is in a IPRA 4 Door Civic and was built by Chris Farrow in Sydney.

[iwantvtec]

sorry to invade the thread. But mentioning b20vs made me think, what would be needed on a b20 to make decent power. I know its gay to chase numbers, but lets say wer trying to get it to 150 kws.

[Chr1s]

There is no fabricated list so to speak, it all comes down to the assembly and tuning.

Although a certain combination of parts is vital, blueprinting will reward better gains and reliability. Finding the right engine builder to do this is the tricky part ;).

[RaZZa137]

increased redline and increased compression are the only way to get to those figures naturally aspirated!

[sinseven]

130kw is possible..its been done.

Just research and don't cut corners.

[mocchi]

isnt it more important to plan where you want the 150kw to be?
torque band.

[4shizz]

you don't have to rev to 11 grand to make power. it depends on the engine and how its built.

look for a couple of proven builds on the net and see what there process was.

otherwise,
questions i have are..
*budget? do you have one or is this just a "what would it take to get there" thread.
*Time frame
*who wil be building the motor and are you wanting to retain its 1.8L capacity?


it would involve a complete rebuild by a trustworthy engine builder, machinest and tuner.
i know a couple of guys in the states that are hittng the 250whp mark with there B18c's

it's not hard, just involves lots of money, patience and trust worthy people that know what there doing.

[RtN]

well I heard in the US that King Motor sports makes an engine that puts out 210hp on a b16. so surely it can be done on a b18.

this is what some guy on honda-tech said but not sure on his sources.

"Motor will be a turn key crate motor that will consist of a B16a Block/crank fully balanced and Blueprinted, GSR Head w/******Stage4 port/polish 13.0:1 Compression, Wiseco Pistons, Skunk2 Pro2+Cams, Supertech Springs Crower Steel Retainers, Rage Header, Honda s300, And a moroso 5.5 oil pan. Gaurantee 220 with dyno sheet For $7000." USD

EDIT: just went to their site. it's true.

[mocchi]

well I heard in the US that King Motor sports makes an engine that puts out 210hp on a b16. so surely it can be done on a b18.

this is what some guy on honda-tech said but not sure on his sources.

"Motor will be a turn key crate motor that will consist of a B16a Block/crank fully balanced and Blueprinted, GSR Head w/******Stage4 port/polish 13.0:1 Compression, Wiseco Pistons, Skunk2 Pro2+Cams, Supertech Springs Crower Steel Retainers, Rage Header, Honda s300, And a moroso 5.5 oil pan. Gaurantee 220 with dyno sheet For $7000." USD

EDIT: just went to their site. it's true.

210whp. $6999.

[Benson]

210 whp american dyno

[RtN]

yeh but it wouldnt be that much of a difference would it? I dont know, but thats a b16, so b18 would be capable of more to reach the 150kw atw. And thats as far as my knowledge goes.

[GSi_PSi]

Theres a 300hp B series in USA also
- 86mm bore, 95mm stroke

- Custom coated RLZ wiseco box forged 86mm pistons (probably a 13.5:1 to 14.0:1 compression ratio)

- Custom billet 95mm crankshaft, crower with oil shedding thermal dispersant cooling

- Golden eagle sleeved 86mm ls block

- Hunter performance rods

- Moroso external oil pump with pan, all stainless lines and aluminum fittings

- Ati damper

- Rlz 310cc CFM ported ITR cylinder head – arguably one of the best cylinder heads RLZ has ever done

- Rlz valve springs and titanium retainers

- Ferrea custom rlz valves

- Skunk2 pro 3 camshafts

- Golden eagle cam gears
- Mezeire Electric Water Pump

- T1 cam trigger







http://www.ipgparts.com/race-parts-66/300-horsepower-b-series-vtec-engine-longblock-292.html

[Benson]

Dry sump and electic water pump. Thats alot of $$$ in that engine set-up

[tinkerbell]

that IPG engine is a drag only engine - not suitable for anything else...

[sno]

wats a BYP engine package?

[MikeyG]

BYP= Back Yard Performance

talk with fatboyz or Benson

[ALLMTR996]

A built B18C was dynoed at Insight Motorsports today made 143.8kw I am sure the owner will post up a dyno sheet and a list of whats done to the engine.

[bennjamin]

A built B18C was dynoed at Insight Motorsports today made 143.8kw I am sure the owner will post up a dyno sheet and a list of whats done to the engine.

What ramp rate/s ? What build/ECU etc ?

[fatboyz39]

A built B18C was dynoed at Insight Motorsports today made 143.8kw I am sure the owner will post up a dyno sheet and a list of whats done to the engine.


What combo?

[ALLMTR996]

B18C
81.5mm Custom CP Pistons (Comp = no one will know)
Crower Rods
OEM Oil and water pumps
Extreme Flywheel/Clutch combo
ACL Bearings
B18C Balancer

Head Ported P72
CNC Combustion Chambers (Flow numbers unknown)
CNC Valve Seat Job
Rocket Motorsport STD size flat faced valves
Rocket Motorsport SL Light Valve Springs
Rocket Motorsport Titianium Retainers
BuddyClub Spec4 Cams
DTR 4-2-1 Headers with custom 2.5" exhaust
OBX 48mm ITB's
550cc RC Injectors
Tuned on Hondata

Ramp rate was set at 140 same as all Honda's tuned at Insight Motorsports
its something that they have always done no idea why.

[grumpy rooster]

They would be the first set of OBX quads used in Oz wouldn't they?

What was the quality like?

[ALLMTR996]

They would be the first set of OBX quads used in Oz wouldn't they?

What was the quality like?

You get what you pay for.

[89lude]

no sticky throttle with them

[sikisdr69]

It can be done wth a B18C we know of a B18A with a P72 head making 148kw it has 12.5 to 1 comp very developed cyl head Toda valve train Toda Spec-C cams,custom 4 throttle intake manifold,scat rods,wiseco pistons,bigtube replica header,this engine is in a IPRA 4 Door Civic and was built by Chris Farrow in Sydney.

ive had very similar set up but used the standard p72 snail shaped inlet manifold to produce 147kw at the wheels in my old set up. it can be done but moeny to be spent. New set up with b18c has 143.8kw but a shit load more torque and power throughout 3000 rpm till 7500rpm.. Dyno sheet was forgotten at insight motorsporst and will be posted once i pick it up

[pinoy-boi]

i dont think you can really achieve 150atw even with cams.
just turbo the motor n run low boost.

i got 149.7kws bein all motor lol :thumbsup:

[Slaz]

no sticky throttle with them

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