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boleh
14-09-2009, 09:49 PM
Where did all the Euro's KW goto?

It was no surprise to see a photo-finish between the Liberty and Accord Euro in our performance tests, the Subaru and Honda both sprinting from standstill to 100km/h in a satellite-timed 9.6 seconds.

HONDA ACCORD EURO
ENGINE 2.4L 4-cyl. POWER 148kW at 7000rpm.
TORQUE 230Nm at 4200rpm.
TRANSMISSION 5-sp auto.
WEIGHT 1555kg.
FUEL CONSUMPTION 8.9L/100km.

SUBARU LIBERTY 2.5i
ENGINE 2.5L 4-cyl.
POWER 123kW at 5600rpm. TORQUE 229Nm at 4000rpm.
TRANSMISSION CVT automatic.
WEIGHT 1432kg.
FUEL CONSUMPTION 8.4L/100km.

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=65568

The Liberty is happy to take RON91, has less KW, less torque, consumes less fuel, is AWD, and OMG USES CV.. but ok it weighs more than a hundred kilo less. Is that why the Euro could only keep up with the Liberty's sprint time..?
albii
14-09-2009, 09:56 PM
Unfortunately the Euros 5 sp auto does nothing for its acceleration.It's simply outdated.
euro1603
14-09-2009, 10:11 PM
Im not surprised at the result at all, kw is not the major factor here. The sube takes 1600rpm less to reach its maximum torque and power output, plus the awd start, and not to mention im sure the sube has a better traction control system, they have been perfecting this for a long time. the euro automatic transmission is a piece of sht mine cl9 tranny included.

my mate got the new euro as a company car and we were doing mulitple
stand still to 100km on the freeway.. it takes forever...
yfin
14-09-2009, 10:12 PM
damn that is slow - back to the times of honda accords 15 years ago. So dissapointing as the engine is a cracker...
felixd
15-09-2009, 04:19 AM
its an stock honda LoL not a ferrari
spastic
15-09-2009, 09:02 AM
awd > fwd

and the liberty's leathear seats shit all over the euros leather
dont forget the interior is much more sleek in comparison to tacky euro lux as well with its fake woodgrain chrome everywhere.
TT44NG
15-09-2009, 09:29 AM
liberty looks way better..
interior, exterior

the cluster..oh god, dont even tlak about the cluster..its simply amazing!!
felixd
15-09-2009, 10:10 AM
but then u get what u paid right :) go get ur self a suby if u like :P
albii
15-09-2009, 10:14 AM
liberty looks way better..
interior, exterior

the cluster..oh god, dont even tlak about the cluster..its simply amazing!!

Err, have you actually seen the new liberty...?
Hyundai liberty..give me the run out model please.
albii
15-09-2009, 10:15 AM
awd > fwd

and the liberty's leathear seats shit all over the euros leather
dont forget the interior is much more sleek in comparison to tacky euro lux as well with its fake woodgrain chrome everywhere.

I gotta say i'm not a fan of the tacky woodgrain either..But the subys silver highlights look gay also.
denot
15-09-2009, 10:16 AM
hmmm If I have to choose a liberty, I still go for the old model. The new one looks fugly (my opinion) look @ the front man... looks like the designer draw the front bit in a hurry coz of deadline...

also, the interior too... squareish... like from an 80's car...
albii
15-09-2009, 10:25 AM
I though the front was passable , the rear on the other hand..........
boleh
15-09-2009, 10:33 AM
yea i dont like the new Liberty's exterior too.. the front looks a bit holden/daewoo cruze
felixd
15-09-2009, 10:42 AM
yea i dont like the new Liberty's exterior too.. the front looks a bit holden/daewoo cruze

TRUE !!! the old model gt-b is much better :D
denot
15-09-2009, 10:44 AM
TRUE !!! the old model gt-b is much better :D

as much as i love my euro looks, you are right felix! :D:D
dtngo
15-09-2009, 11:54 AM
The Lib GT-B is hawt. I'd swap my Euro in a flash if I could afford it :)

I'm sure the Euro would've done much better in a manual.
Type R Positive
15-09-2009, 12:30 PM
The Lib GT-B is hawt. I'd swap my Euro in a flash if I could afford it :)

I'm sure the Euro would've done much better in a manual.
Hell yeah! I wanted a GT-B when I got my CL9, and I still wanted one when I got my CU2. They are such a fantastic car to drive!

I too could not afford the $55k - $60k. Well I could, but I'd be broke. :p
Type R Positive
15-09-2009, 12:33 PM
yea i dont like the new Liberty's exterior too.. the front looks a bit holden/daewoo cruze
Yeah, I was quite suprised by the new shape. The liberty's have always been a good looking car, esp the last model.
spastic
15-09-2009, 12:36 PM
sorry my bad

i was comparing the 08' liberty to the cl9
Type R Positive
15-09-2009, 12:40 PM
What is also good to see is that they are all 5 star ncap rated cars!
spastic
15-09-2009, 01:33 PM
http://www.ahgwa.com.au/vehicle_images/gallery/Liberty-48.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/2007_Subaru_Liberty_3.0R_Spec_B_02.jpg

http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/images/honda-accord-euro-5.JPG

http://www.nextcar.com.au/i.honda.accord.euro.grey.rear.05nov.jpg

on looks alone i know who i'd choose.
denot
15-09-2009, 03:15 PM
In my country, they go crazy for these two...
http://p.webwombat.com.au/motoring/car-photos/honda-accord-euro-3-big.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/2007_Subaru_Liberty_3.0R_Spec_B_02.jpg

but not so much for...
http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/2010-subaru-legacy-liberty-002_100198138_l.jpg
albii
15-09-2009, 04:16 PM
What were they thinking?
felixd
15-09-2009, 06:44 PM
hahahah FAIL HyunBaru haha wakakakak thats when Korean's meets the Japs wakakakakka
rodericb
15-09-2009, 08:43 PM
Is this the OzHonda official subaru fanboi thread?
albii
16-09-2009, 06:37 AM
Is this the OzHonda official subaru fanboi thread?

I can admire subaru as a car making coimpany, though the new liberty has totally lost the plot.
It is officially the gayest looking mid sizer...BY FAR.
tony1234
16-09-2009, 07:16 AM
I can admire subaru as a car making coimpany, though the new liberty has totally lost the plot.
It is officially the gayest looking mid sizer...BY FAR.
It's not that bad when you see it in the flesh.I've seen it but not driven it.I think you'll find once you see a few on the road over time the shape will grow on you.
boleh
16-09-2009, 07:39 AM
So what is it with Subaru drawing inspiration frm Kia

It started with the Impreza & Rio
http://blogs.timeslive.co.za/wheeldeal/files/2009/06/new-subaru-impreza-rear.jpg
http://www.automedia.com/2009-New-Car-Buyers-Guide/photos/2009/KIA/Rio/Sedan/Exterior/2_Rear_Right.jpg
shakkas
16-09-2009, 09:35 AM
yea have to agree the back of the new liberty looks like an bloody aurion.

but i saw the gt liberty in the flesh, and the front looks evil. maybe its one of those things it grows on you.

initially when the cu2 came out i was like wtf its so fat, wide etc.... then it grew on me. I remember the days when everyone bagged out the cu2 majorly saying CL9 better looking. The same happened with the wrx that i just got. when that first came out im like wtf its a hatch, again slowly grew on me.

think over time, we'll get used to the looks
1900-hustler
16-09-2009, 09:40 AM
yeah man

the old model liberty > new model..

plus that guy with no shirt makes the liberty more appealing

waitwut
euro1603
16-09-2009, 09:43 AM
If they bring the b4 to australia, you will all change your mind. saw one here in japan, its hawttttt... and to rub it in, it cost only 50kish
spastic
16-09-2009, 09:52 AM
b4 = sexytime

sti tuned 08 = epik sexy time.
ozscott
16-09-2009, 09:55 AM
I have never owned one, but drive a few liberties in the past and they handle like nothing else in that segment - at least in terms of feel because I remember Wheels did some handling tests and the previous Euro out handled the previous Liberty in the dry (it wouldnt in the wet of course) but a fair bit in g's and speed through corners.

The fit and finish on the Honda is better overall and so is the reliability, but there isnt much in that last one.

I think that on small 4 cyl naturally aspirated engines weight is a massive factor - the Honda is very significantly heavier than the new liberty and that is why is times to 100 are slower - having said that rolling acceleration would be more in favour of the Honda I would have thought.

Try sticking a 120kg fellas in the Liberty passenger seat and redo the test.

I dont mind that the Honda is 'lardy' in comparrison. Because of the line of work I am in I like safety. They are both a very high 5 star crash rating...so then weight counts (big time) and having that extra steel is welcome.

Cheers
tron07
16-09-2009, 10:01 AM
http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/images/honda-accord-euro-5.JPG

You should use a black interior Euro to compare, not the ugly one... lol lol
spastic
16-09-2009, 10:02 AM
on a roll. lol duh coz awd can't get power down on a roll everyone knows that.
shakkas
16-09-2009, 10:04 AM
b4 = sexytime

sti tuned 08 = epik sexy time.

when they come out, i would go to the showroom and sex all over it
spastic
16-09-2009, 10:10 AM
http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/images/honda-accord-euro-5.JPG

You should use a black interior Euro to compare, not the ugly one... lol lol

even the black interior is tacky with its bs marble running through it and shit leather seats made by honda. honda cheaped out on the leather everyone knows this.
ozscott
16-09-2009, 11:18 AM
yup...I do like my base model interior...for value too its hard to beat.

Cheers
denot
16-09-2009, 11:49 AM
hahaha, at least you have to admit that the leather is better than the one on Mitsubishi :p
euro1603
16-09-2009, 10:54 PM
those black/brown fake marble plastic is an absolute disgrace... how can you charge people more for that crap..
buddah51au
17-09-2009, 10:19 AM
I have never been 1 to knock Subaru, although they have had their share of problems from time to time. Unless your a boy racer who will notice a few tenths here or there in a 0 - 100 sprint......not me.

The 2 questions I would like to throw up are can an AWD Subaru match a Euro for economy in real world figures (AWD always tends to use more fuel) & secondly, the Jury is still out regarding the longevity of CVT transmisions. Sure they could be the way of the future but they need several years behind them to prove their reliability.
tony1234
17-09-2009, 08:02 PM
I have never been 1 to knock Subaru, although they have had their share of problems from time to time. Unless your a boy racer who will notice a few tenths here or there in a 0 - 100 sprint......not me.

The 2 questions I would like to throw up are can an AWD Subaru match a Euro for economy in real world figures (AWD always tends to use more fuel) & secondly, the Jury is still out regarding the longevity of CVT transmisions. Sure they could be the way of the future but they need several years behind them to prove their reliability.
True about the CVT.I'd be waiting a while to see how reliable they are long term.The new Subaru CVTs are chain driven not belt driven so in theory longevity shouldn't be a problem but who knows.
buddah51au
17-09-2009, 10:33 PM
True about the CVT.I'd be waiting a while to see how reliable they are long term.The new Subaru CVTs are chain driven not belt driven so in theory longevity shouldn't be a problem but who knows.

Chain Drive - I hope they have a good filter system to pick up metal particles as the chain & maybe guides wear. Moving metal parts that come into contact with each other within auto gearboxes can be a long term issue, where there is a chain there must also be corresponding gears. So as you say, longevity could be a possible issue that only time will tell.
dtngo
18-09-2009, 08:46 AM
I was driving home yesterday and saw what looked like a Lexus GS. As I got closer it looked like a Hyundai and when I got close enough to see the badge I realised it was a new Liberty.

New Subaru Liberty: Looks good from far, far from good :wave:
spastic
18-09-2009, 08:57 AM
so u confused it for a lexus can't be a bad thing

i never confuse a euro for a lexus.
dtngo
18-09-2009, 09:34 AM
They looked similar from a distance (similar size, same large sloping rear and similar lights)

See:
Liberty: http://allworldcars.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/2010-subaru-legacy-sedan-2.jpg
GS430: http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/2006_lexus_gs430_100008647_l.jpg

I thought it was a new Hyundai when I got closer. I've never confused a Euro for a Hyundai :)
spastic
18-09-2009, 09:42 AM
although i do confuse it for a commwhore, because there is so many bloody euros around.
dtngo
18-09-2009, 10:10 AM
Too true lol. It's not uncommon for me to see 4 Euro's within 50m's. It's like a min-Euro cruise everywhere I go lol
albii
18-09-2009, 11:09 AM
Heaps of cl9 in brissy, but the cu2 is very scarce..
SPQR
18-09-2009, 10:34 PM
I spent last Monday in Sydney and only saw one CU2.
nxn75u
18-09-2009, 11:46 PM
I spent last Monday in Sydney and only saw one CU2.

Wow Im spotting lots of CU2 around my area... almost every streets has one... its either black and grey... havent seen red around yet...
SPQR
24-09-2009, 10:08 PM
I was in Melbourne from Sunday to Tuesday (1/2 day) and only saw one CU2. Then I was in Adelaide from Tuesday (1/2 day) to today and saw 3 CU2's.
Type R Positive
25-09-2009, 08:55 AM
I see them quite regularly here in Perth now.
Im glad I was the first one in WA with one!
buddah51au
25-09-2009, 09:57 PM
I live in a relatively small Qld country town & there are at least 12 CU2's that I know of
euro1603
25-09-2009, 10:34 PM
i have been in japan for 3 weeks now. have seen zero cu2 , 2 cl9 sedans and 1 wagon.. finding cl9 parts here are bloody hard unless you go mugen brand.. toyota rules here.. wanted to get some sick piaa wipers for the cl9, too bad they only cater lower model wipers for the cl9.. like they say here in japan, honda is purely for export only.. well have seen sht loads of jazz though!