lowerd euro

[EUR.09N]

hi guys,
i want to lower my euro any recomendations on brand, height and where to get it done

[Type R Positive]

How much money you got to spend, where do you live and what do you want to get out of them? ie, racing, cruizing around, firm ride, slammed to the max???

In the long run, I believe coilovers are a much more attractive option. If you use springs, word is you will need shocks later on. This is why coilovers are more attractive. I think do it properly the first time. you might need a rear camber kit too which is about US$150.00 if you drop more than say 1 & 1/2".

There are heaps available for both springs and coilovers. At present, I think there is only koni sport (yellow damper adjustable ones :) ) shocks available for replacements if you get springs, which they cost about $1000. :(

Quick list of coilover brands available:
Zeal
Buddyclub
Mugen
Tanabe
Tein
H&R
Phase
Acura A-Spec

The list goes on......

[Pum[Z]]

Yeah Matt fregot a bang for ur buck coilovers which are D2's....

can get them for $1500-$2000 installed. The advantage of coilovers is that most of them are height adjustable.....

if u just want to lower it with just springs i suggest Eibach (German made), can get them for $600-$800 installed. Its lowers about 30mm-50mm depends which type u get ..

[baboo]

if you just going for looks and street cruising, just fit lower springs.

Spirit driving or track days, I suggest coilovers.

[Type R Positive]

Spirit driving or track days, I suggest coilovers. Hehe! everyday is spirited driving my friend!
My car is starting to go a bit better after 5,000kms. Hard driving is nice!

[Reagan]

if you lower it with 18 inche rims, do you have to roll your guards?

[MrPlow]

not for 18s" you wont, you can fit huge wheels under the euro gaurds....

[Pum[Z]]

if you lower it with 18 inche rims, do you have to roll your guards?

I have 19's on my euro, lowered and i don't have to roll the guards. The only way u will scrape the guards in the euro is if u put too wide tyres then u will have to roll the guards (Also maybe if u put 21 inch alloys on it :D )...

[jolt]

Has anybody got D2 coilovers fitted to their Euro?

Being made in Taiwan, what is the build quality of the D2's like? As good as Tein?

What is the expected life of the shocks?

thanks
Rod

[toE]

Maybe this can help, if you have questions about Eibach. :)
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10844

[Type R Positive]

Has anybody got D2 coilovers fitted to their Euro?

Being made in Taiwan, what is the build quality of the D2's like? As good as Tein?

What is the expected life of the shocks?

thanks
Rod http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10648

D2's are good for the money. Parts are made in England.

A lot of people like to bag teins, like they leak and they rust. I don't know.

You get what you pay for.

[toE]

2 reasons I might not consider Teins (come shopping time)
1. They will need to be sent back to Japan to be repaired/regassed, etc.
2. Some Teins are irrepairable.

Those are what I've heard.
So, until someone proves me wrong, I will really have to consider getting them.
Mind you, at one stage, I've always thought Teins are the bomb! :)

[Reagan]

']I have 19's on my euro, lowered and i don't have to roll the guards. The only way u will scrape the guards in the euro is if u put too wide tyres then u will have to roll the guards (Also maybe if u put 21 inch alloys on it :D )...


so your tyres are completely fine? doesnt scrape or touch?
i didnt know tyres had different sizes, I thought they just came in different brand names

i wanna get 18's and coilovers, adjust it to the stock height but once in a while lower it more when it matters. what do you guys recommend I should take into consideration?

sorry for asking question in your thread EURO9N =)

[euro77]

']I have 19's on my euro, lowered and i don't have to roll the guards. The only way u will scrape the guards in the euro is if u put too wide tyres then u will have to roll the guards (Also maybe if u put 21 inch alloys on it :D )...

How wide is your 19" rim?
I'm guessing the offset is close to +55?

[saboteur]

i wanna get 18's and coilovers, adjust it to the stock height but once in a while lower it more when it matters. what do you guys recommend I should take into consideration?

I have coilovers (Koni) and trust me you won't want to be changing the ride height each weekend. Even when you jack the car up it is still quite hard to turn the thread to adjust the height, although I don't have a trolley jack (I just use the OE jack). Just get used to it slammed and ride around like that :D :D

Changing rebound setting though, that's a different story, I cut out bits of my boot lining so I can access this, only takes 5 minutes and is great to put really firm on club track days! :cool:

[Pum[Z]]

D2's are made in Taiwan coz i checked the box a while back...

Its designed in England...

So far my car has no signs of any non quality issues. Its warranty is only a year. But its done nothing wrong so far... Hopefully it will last the 5 years that the euro is going to be with me...

Build quality is very good... take a look at the picture u can see the purple shocks of the D2's
http://www.ozhonda.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=139&sort=1&cat=500&page=1

My Euro is 215 wide at the front, 225 wide at the back... Offset is +45

[Reagan]

My Euro is 215 wide at the front, 225 wide at the back... Offset is +45 no clue what that means :confused:


I wanted to chuck these on but they emailed me saying it was too wide,

http://www.tempetyres.com.au/content/products/CRW_0743_RT8.jpg

[euro77]

My Euro is 215 wide at the front, 225 wide at the back... Offset is +45

It means the tyre width for the front is 215, and for the back is 225.
Offset is the distance between the centreline of the wheel rim, and the line through the fixing face (from car maintenance bible). For euro, people say don't go lower than +43 (standard is +55).

See the car bible here:
http://www.chris-longhurst.com/carbibles/index.html?menu.html&mainpage.html

[baboo]

PumZ,

why you put 215 at the front and 225 at the back?
it's not like the Euro is a rear wheel drive... best to swap them over for more traction down at the front.

[yfin]

PumZ,

why you put 215 at the front and 225 at the back?
it's not like the Euro is a rear wheel drive... best to swap them over for more traction down at the front.

Probably confuses VSA to have different tyre width front and back - I wouldn't recommend people do this. Same reason why the manual says to disable VSA when using the space saver.

[Type R Positive]

does VSA work off the back tyres too?

[Pum[Z]]

The only reason why my back tyres are wider then my front tyres is because the alloys and wheels belonged to a S2000. My friend bought it for his S2000 and then he decided to sell it before he even put it on his car... So i bought it off him for a reduced price....

19inch on a S2000?? I know that might sound crazy, but then my friend was stoopid enuf to buy it hehhehehe....

Secondly it is illegal to put ur wide tyres on the front of the car... Its legal to only put it at the back.

[yfin]

does VSA work off the back tyres too?

Yes - VSA can activate brakes to individual wheels when it detects oversteer/understeer

[Type R Positive]

Yes - VSA can activate brakes to individual wheels when it detects oversteer/understeer Technology........

Does anyone know where the sensors are and if they would be directly affected by lowering / changing to coilovers?

[yfin]

Technology........

Does anyone know where the sensors are and if they would be directly affected by lowering / changing to coilovers?

Great question and I would love to know the definite answer - no one on the US forums seems to know for sure.

The traction control component uses the ABS sensors to detect slip. The VSA uses lateral acceleration sensors, wheel-speed sensors, steering position sensors and a dedicated microprocessor to detect wheel slip (understeer or oversteer). VSA can reduce engine output through the drive-by-wire throttle control or the rapid pulsing application of one or more brakes to regain control.

It would be good to know where these sensors all are. Some people who have lowered their TSX/Euro report VSA still works (or at least the traction control component).

VSA can be a life saving device so I don't want to mess with it.

[Type R Positive]

VSA can be a life saving device so I don't want to mess with it. Yeah, it is something that I definately want to keep and not compromise.
VSA component just applies brakes doesn't it?

I'm not worried traction control but this does work good.

[yfin]

Yeah, it is something that I definately want to keep and not compromise.
VSA component just applies brakes doesn't it?

I'm not worried traction control but this does work good.

VSA can cut throttle as well. This is from the TSX technical manual - I sent a CD rom of the manual to Kanthan - hopefully he will post up the doc soon as I don't have 90+ meg of web space....

"For example, if the driver enters a corner too quickly and the vehicle’s front wheels begin to slip (understeer), VSA almost instantly detects the situation and interprets it as understeer. VSA then reduces engine torque and selectively applies the brake on the inner front and rear wheels to help counter the understeer and enhance the driver’s control. The correction happens so quickly and so seamlessly that the situation is often resolved before the driver is even aware of it.

Another potential scenario involves a traction loss at the rear wheels, such as might be encountered when cornering on a dirty road or when encountering black ice. VSA detects the rear tires beginning to slip and quickly applies the outer front and rear brakes to counter the unwanted yawing motion and help restore control to the driver."

[Type R Positive]

Another potential scenario involves a traction loss at the rear wheels, such as might be encountered when cornering on a dirty road or when encountering black ice. VSA detects the rear tires beginning to slip and quickly applies the outer front and rear brakes to counter the unwanted yawing motion and help restore control to the driver." Good stuff :thumbsup:

This is what I wanted to know. I can remember the sales man dribbling something about if you go off the road, but I was too pissed at the time and was interested more in the beautiful interior and how the tailored mats felt on my feet :o.