and so i just got defected 10 mins ago..

[SHU-ES1]

hello,

i just got a nice yellow canary sticker on my car for having hids, and tyres that are below the manufacturers standard "load" rating - whatever that means. i didn't know hids were illegal? is this correct? unless they came factory standard is what the cop said. anyways, waste of 30 minutes. i bet it was the 12000k headlights i had that caught their attention, told him i've had them on for the last 4-5 years and never got in trouble so i thought they were ok. so i got away with a tyre and headlight defect with no fine. it pays to play dumb sometimes :(

[Jump]

hid headlights are a defect on non-standard projector lights coz they dont have a auto levelling system

[m.o.d.aus]

Never heard of tyres being under the load rating.
Its normally rims that are under the load rating. What car did you get the defect in if you dont mind me asking?
And what the load rating is refering to is the amount of weight each rim can with stand. If its less then what the car can carry full load ( i think ) then the wheels arent strong enough, and when the wheels are under stress, not a good idea driving around on them...
Mod.

[SHU-ES1]

i got done driving a civic vi!! not the typical hoon vehicle. the car standard is 560kg, and my tyres are rated at 500kg. so i'm under by 60kg, the cop said there was a chance that under heavy braking or anything that puts strain on the tyre, it could fail. he made me open up my bonnet, and saw the hids and my pod filter but i had a heat shield so he didn't say anything. i thought i was going to get done for that too, cos i always thought having an open pod filter is illegal as well.

[DogAteCat]

where abouts in melbourne did you get done?

[SHU-ES1]

i was coming down millers road heading into williamstown. hobsons bay cops.

[hisoka]

12000k is overboard anyway, have you adjusted them properly so there not blinding oncoming traffic ?

man i know people who run 12k in day time, looks pretty good. but night time shit.

[EK9]

hids are illegal if not standard like the cop said... and being 12000k would have been obvious.

the tyre thing seems pretty unlucky... but if that's wot they said, that's how it is.

and fyi for everyone, open pod filters are FINE in Vic, as long as it's secured... i received a minor defect a while back only cos it was loose, and vicroads said no issue, only needs to be secured and not loose, ie extra brackets are good. same deal with cf/fibre glass bonnets... no probs.

[thaaznboi]

i think if you had hids under8k u would have been rite.... 12k is i think way too obvious...

i use to run 3k hids..which is very very yellow....but i neva had any dramas

[SHU-ES1]

i've ordered a 2nd set of 6000k globes so hopefully that will help me not being so noticeable at night. and yes, i have adjusted them accordingly facing them downwards but sometimes i notice that i blind the people to my left as the car headlights come like that - the left headlight points further out than the right headlight. i've also noticed that even though i've pointed my headlights down, the light disperses like crazy so they look really bright to others but i can barely see the road! so note, don't ever get 12000k hids unless you've got ultrabright foggies. so if you see the 12000k lights in the western suburbs until the 24/09, beep me and give me the finger! :)

edit: i was going to say to the cop that the ep3 comes standard with hids from japan, and they have exactly the same headlights as my eu3 - my bro has an ep3 - but somehow its illegal for me to have them :( but i didn't want to be a smartass and get owned for being too low, too loud, oversized rims and whatever else they had in store for me. thanks for all the input guys! <3 ozhonda.

[mrwillz]

12000k is xray vision lolz

lucky no major defect aye

[SHU-ES1]

on the canary sticker, the major box is ticked :(

[spastic]

lol wtf 12xxxk hid thats overboard man overkill
mrwillz has like 8k i think that is already epik overkill

[Chriskoss]

SHU-ES1 I can vouch for ****n people like you running over-the-top HID's on a non standard car being ****ing annoying, its like worse than high beams in both on-coming traffic and if your behind another car, its just plain discourteous and annoying so you can think your 'awesome' with your super bright lights, if it was up to me and I was a cop I'd get my batton and smash your lights out and say go fix them with standard lights

You want HID's?.. get them the proper way and stop having a whinge you got defected for potentially blinding innocent motorists

Sorry to be harsh, just sick of some people complaining bout defects when they probably got off EASY with what they got, as others said 8k is overkill and your complaining bout running 12k and getting defected, if I ever see your car I'd highbeam and follow you for 2 hrs just so you know how annoying it is

[defect]

I have to agree with the dude above. its plain annoying.
in saying that, I got 6000k and I think its already blinding on coming traffic.

[albii]

Problem is that you have reflector headlights. Hids on non standard issue reflectors disperses the light in all sorts of directions potentially blinding oncoming traffic.
The vision is some cases is worse than with stock halogen.
You'll find that people running non standard hids in projectors will still get the cut off.
Plus anything over 6000k is gonna attract the men in blue.

[SHU-ES1]

SHU-ES1 I can vouch for ****n people like you running over-the-top HID's on a non standard car being ****ing annoying, its like worse than high beams in both on-coming traffic and if your behind another car, its just plain discourteous and annoying so you can think your 'awesome' with your super bright lights, if it was up to me and I was a cop I'd get my batton and smash your lights out and say go fix them with standard lights

You want HID's?.. get them the proper way and stop having a whinge you got defected for potentially blinding innocent motorists

Sorry to be harsh, just sick of some people complaining bout defects when they probably got off EASY with what they got, as others said 8k is overkill and your complaining bout running 12k and getting defected, if I ever see your car I'd highbeam and follow you for 2 hrs just so you know how annoying it is

lol.. you sick puppy, take it easy.. and if you ever come down to melbourne, feel free to find me and follow me for 2 hours if that's what you want to do.

i merely had questions in regards to my defect, and didn't post to have a whinge or get abused, so if you want to hate on me, go **** yourself. and yes, i knew they were illegal because they were blue but didn't realise the effect it had on other motorists, just thought it was the colour problem and not the brightness. i also mentioned ep3s have hids standard from japan, and they've got the exact same headlight configuration as mine so i don't know what the difference in that is. would a cop give a ep3 a defect for having hids? anyway, all that aside, i hope my 6000k ones will be a lot more pleasent for other drivers.

[spastic]

im sure stock ep3's dont run 12,000k also they have auto levelling systems as mentioned like the s2k's and they have hid housings where as ur car doesn't.

[SHU-ES1]

oh ok, i always thought the ep3 and the eu3 had the same headlights - the shape and location of all the globes are identical! so if i went and got ep3 headlights, it would be legal for me to use hids. i think they come stock with 8000k bixenons. thanks for the info spaz!

[TheSaint]

damn traffic cop scum are always looking for excuses to put yellow lickys on hondas =/

its like they are hostile to what they dont understand

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

lol.. you sick puppy, take it easy..

I lol'd



IMO I'd change the HID's to something weaker (but then again I'm a anti HID person)


Tyre Underload, did the tyre shop let you know that when you were putting them on?

They really should have.

Good luck on staying defect free

[JohnL]

If you look at the sidewall of the tyre you'll see the size designation (e.g. 195/60/15) followed by a number (e.g. 88) and then the speed rating (e.g. H or V etc). On the tyre sticker (typically affixed in the right rear door aperture, or the right door aperture if a coupe) you'll see the tyre size / load rating / speed rating stipulated for that car by the manufacturer. If the load rating number on the tyre sidewall is a lower number than that on the sticker then it's illegal to fit that tyre on that car.

As an example my nephew's Civic has a sticker load rating of 82, and my Accord has a sticker load rating of 87. If I were to fit 82 rated tyres to my Accord it would be an illegal fitment. It would be OK to fit a tyre with a higher load rating than the sticker rating, but not less.

It's also illegal to fit tyres with a slower speed rating than that on the sticker, e.g. you can't legally fit tyres with an H rating if the sticker says a V rating, but you can fit a V rated tyre if the sticker says H.

[SHU-ES1]

Thank you for that JohnL. I'm looking into finding some 18's with a load rating of 88 or higher now!

[SHU-ES1]

damn traffic cop scum are always looking for excuses to put yellow lickys on hondas =/

its like they are hostile to what they dont understand

Thanks! I'm pretty sure the 12000k lights gave it away, and they just had to find other things to put on the list when giving me a defect. I'm sure they could've done me for more than just those three things. Oh well, I guess that's what happens when I break the law.

[SHU-ES1]

I lol'd



IMO I'd change the HID's to something weaker (but then again I'm a anti HID person)


Tyre Underload, did the tyre shop let you know that when you were putting them on?

They really should have.

Good luck on staying defect free


Thanks! I'm going to try keep the HIDs cos I think they're really good for night vision. I'm just going to angle them even further down more than they are now, and see if that helps! Hopefully stay defect and fine free!

[aero]

i got done driving a civic vi!! not the typical hoon vehicle. the car standard is 560kg, and my tyres are rated at 500kg. so i'm under by 60kg, the cop said there was a chance that under heavy braking or anything that puts strain on the tyre, it could fail.

the cop is right on the load rating of ur tyres. even most insurance companies will not insure u if ur running tyres below the recommended load rating. just a safety precaution.

[dtngo]

HIDs need an auto leveling and washer system to be ADR approved. They'll usually be projector based with a hard cut off to stop blinding other drivers. I hate cars with aftermarket systems because they're blinding!

[EGB18CT]

^ditto, i dont get the point of pointing lights down to the ground just to have hids resulting in you not seeing the road properly, but yet still blinding the oncoming traffic (imagine high beams on all the time or staring into a welding torch). Unless you have done a proper retrofit with leveling system and projectors, please for your safety and the person infront of you, please get rid of them. Nothing worse i hate more than seeing a car with hids just wacked in 'cos they look good. IMO they only look good with the proper sharp cutoff, and proper focus, none of this glare shit wached into stock headlights or projector for non hid setup.

no offence, seems as tho officer was just trying to look after your safety

[spastic]

out of curiosity what does the washer system do on hids?

[mrwillz]

out of curiosity what does the washer system do on hids?

washers wash it

keep it clean

[spastic]

purely jsut for that reason? why must they be on cars with hid kits?

[mrwillz]

pretty sure thats the reason

when u have HID kit its ballin yo

[EGB18CT]

washers wash it

keep it clean

lmao hahah, yep washes it reduce reflection and deflection of light by dirt so the lights can see too.

[NeoNode]

The whole purpose of xenon lights in factory vehicles is to aid in safety by providing more illumination further up the road to detect possible hazards, so people have more time to react accordingly to the situation.

Now pointing them down to reduce glare from HID kits defeats the whole purpose intended when this technology was introduced.

The problem with that is, since i'm in NSW and this is what RTA states in their road users handbook but most likely the same for every other states, a safe driving technique is to scan further up to road for possible hazards and have enough time to react.

More crucial at night due to the fact you need to rely on your headlights to see, eg a road with no street lighting.

With the headlights now pointed downwards the only light you get is pretty much infront of the vehicle itself in comparison with OEM, since you can't see further ahead and in most cases people tend to only focus on the brightly lit part of the road, you might not have enough time to react to a possible dangerous situation because you were concentrating too much on what's infront of the car instead of further up ahead.

[bbds]

hid headlights are a defect on non-standard projector lights coz they dont have a auto levelling system

what auto levelling system?

[bbds]

SHU-ES1 I can vouch for ****n people like you running over-the-top HID's on a non standard car being ****ing annoying, its like worse than high beams in both on-coming traffic and if your behind another car, its just plain discourteous and annoying so you can think your 'awesome' with your super bright lights, if it was up to me and I was a cop I'd get my batton and smash your lights out and say go fix them with standard lights

You want HID's?.. get them the proper way and stop having a whinge you got defected for potentially blinding innocent motorists

Sorry to be harsh, just sick of some people complaining bout defects when they probably got off EASY with what they got, as others said 8k is overkill and your complaining bout running 12k and getting defected, if I ever see your car I'd highbeam and follow you for 2 hrs just so you know how annoying it is


i run 30k in my car, ill love for people like you to follow me

[Chriskoss]

lol.. you sick puppy, take it easy.. and if you ever come down to melbourne, feel free to find me and follow me for 2 hours if that's what you want to do.

i merely had questions in regards to my defect, and didn't post to have a whinge or get abused, so if you want to hate on me, go **** yourself. and yes, i knew they were illegal because they were blue but didn't realise the effect it had on other motorists, just thought it was the colour problem and not the brightness. i also mentioned ep3s have hids standard from japan, and they've got the exact same headlight configuration as mine so i don't know what the difference in that is. would a cop give a ep3 a defect for having hids? anyway, all that aside, i hope my 6000k ones will be a lot more pleasent for other drivers.

Well your a dumb puppy if you think 12k hid's have no affect on other motorist.. what r u on ur l's you nub?
I wasnt starting an argument but pm me your number n next time im in melb ill give you a call and we can take it further if you like
Get 6ks, and have fun k, puppy

[SHU-ES1]

can you relax? you sound like you need to release some tension there. i wasn't trying to start an argument, you talk abuse to me and so ill give it back. i don't take threats over the net too seriously, so dont worry ill try not to ruin your rep on OH ok e-thug. if you have nothing constructive to say in a pleasant matter, you know where to go.

[chunky]

punch onzzzzzzz Q(' . 'Q)

but yeah
12k wayyy overboard lol

wtf @ tyre thing aswell

[SHU-ES1]

yeh i realised after bringing them back from overseas. i've had them for about 4 years and not one single cop pulled me up on them so i didn't know they were as bad as they were.

[mars_panas]

i agree with the others anything above 8000k is over kill.... i have 8000k but yeah been on the car for years now its kinda faded to 6000k... perfect for night vision....

i don't think anything over 8000k would improve ur night vision it will just make it worse...

but correct me if i am wrong...

anyways good luck clearing ur defect....

& with the tyres issue... i had the same problem i put jazz tyres onto a lancer and yeah the 2 front one was nearly finsh so i went to the tyre place to get new tyres for the front and they told me i had to change all 4 because they arnt the correct width...

but thats rare when cops check ur tyres if they are correct size or not... never heard anyone getting defected for that but then again as others had said the main defect was ur HID kit

[SHU-ES1]

i know, i got owned.. do jazz's come with hids standard? hows your light dispersion? is it really bright to other cars? or they're ok with the hids?

[Lukey]

HIDs need an auto leveling and washer system to be ADR approved. They'll usually be projector based with a hard cut off to stop blinding other drivers. I hate cars with aftermarket systems because they're blinding!

i find stock euros to rather blinding


awesome reply, ''plz teach me ur enlish skillz plaze!''

please teach me ur ways of getting angry when stoned.

i only laugh at everything

[EGB18CT]

raffing out roud

[Chriskoss]

who r u lukey? u got owned in the other thread
u lose

[Lukey]

who r u lukey? u got owned in the other thread
u lose

rofl. lay off the pot you angry little kid.

[WATAJK]

Tension! lol
-----

Anywayz i've seen some rather stupid HID's before, no lies they have blinded me and i've come so close to smashing into another car.
Yeah 12,000 abit to much, go for arpund 7000 if u wanna have HID still.
In my other car 01 Ford Laser, i run Phillips Crystal Vision Globes, it's a pure Bright White light, fantastic, 9x cheaper then HID's and still pretty good.
Perfectly legal =)
I don't know there K rating but i can tell u, i've never blinded sum1 with them

[Chriskoss]

yes, my timing belt does have tension
funny how illiterate minds think everything I say is angry and want to start a fight
and funny how every1 going off when alot of ppl agreed 12k was over kill, yet im a sick puppy
oh well, cant talk sense to idiots can i

[SHU-ES1]

i lol'd

[Lukey]

yes, my timing belt does have tension
funny how illiterate minds think everything I say is angry and want to start a fight
and funny how every1 going off when alot of ppl agreed 12k was over kill, yet im a sick puppy
oh well, cant talk sense to idiots can i

rofl. lay off the pot you angry little kid.

[WATAJK]

yes, my timing belt does have tension
funny how illiterate minds think everything I say is angry and want to start a fight
and funny how every1 going off when alot of ppl agreed 12k was over kill, yet im a sick puppy
oh well, cant talk sense to idiots can i

Dude i ain't saying anything
Don't get all sarcastic either.
Im juz pointing out theres tension in this thread, be the bigger man and don't reply to anymore comments that are arking up towards u then?
That's just an idea though, its your choice in what u do

[bbds]

deep fried!!

[yfin]

The tyre shop who fitted your tyres should have a consequence here. The load rating is such an obvious thing that it is negligent for them to fit something below the rating set for the car.

The whole tyre and wheel industry needs to be cleaned up.

[SHU-ES1]

i pretty much looked up all the tyres i could find on the net today, and pretty much none of the 215/35/18s will fit the 88 load rating and above. most of them are 84 only..

[yfin]

i pretty much looked up all the tyres i could find on the net today, and pretty much none of the 215/35/18s will fit the 88 load rating and above. most of them are 84 only..

Well sounds like you have a problem.

Can you go with something wider - like 225/35/18 as that will up the load rating?

[Chriskoss]

Dude i ain't saying anything
Don't get all sarcastic either.
Im juz pointing out theres tension in this thread, be the bigger man and don't reply to anymore comments that are arking up towards u then?
That's just an idea though, its your choice in what u do

i wasnt tlkn to u but neway

good luck with gettin the defects cleared OP, and im not being sarcastic

p.s weed is awesome

[Lukey]

i wasnt tlkn to u but neway

good luck with gettin the defects cleared OP, and im not being sarcastic

p.s weed is awesome

rofl. lay off the pot you angry little kid.

[SHU-ES1]

lol lukey. thanks for everyone's input. i've changed my lights to standard h4 globes now. does anyone know if ep3s have an auto leveling system?

[beeza]

Bloody hell,defects happening everywhere.People losing thier licence,everywhere.

I bet cops still sleep well at night too,doing the crap they do.Ahhhhh,what a world aye!

[mars_panas]

i know, i got owned.. do jazz's come with hids standard? hows your light dispersion? is it really bright to other cars? or they're ok with the hids?

well it blinds people but not as bad seeing they are kinda faded into 6000k

i still get a couple people high beaming me here and there but either than that haven't been caught by the law....

few police cars has driven on the opposite side of me and yeah...

[shadou]

lol lukey. thanks for everyone's input. i've changed my lights to standard h4 globes now. does anyone know if ep3s have an auto leveling system?

No, you''ll need to manually adjust them using a phillips and wall (going by the EU spec, but should be the same for any car really)

[SHU-ES1]

awesome. i always thought eu and ep3 had the same headlights. if i ever done again, ill say i changed my headlights to the ep3 ones that came standard with hids. or ill steal my bro's headlights. lol. thanks shadou!

[Scott.QQ]

Am I confused? or is everyone saying the temperature of the globe affects the brightness?

I'm pretty sure 6000 kelvin or 12,000 kelvin are just different colours?

For example, i think 4 is white and 6 + gets abit more blue.

[Chriskoss]

epic phailz

[WATAJK]

Am I confused? or is everyone saying the temperature of the globe affects the brightness?

I'm pretty sure 6000 kelvin or 12,000 kelvin are just different colours?

For example, i think 4 is white and 6 + gets abit more blue.

Your right in what ur saying, but it also goes alot ****in brighter >.>

[Lukey]

epic phailz

rofl. lay off the pot you angry little kid.

[beeza]

Hi Lukey!

:)

[Lukey]

Hi Lukey!

:)

herro.

:wave:

[WATAJK]

rofl. lay off the pot you angry little kid.

u funny **** lol

[Chriskoss]

Once again, Lukeys illiteracy ftl

[Riced_Civic]

i think this thread can be closed its done and cleared

[SHU-ES1]

cleared!!! :D

[beeza]

Do Tell!

What happened?

[chauster]

Hai Lukey!

I actually only thought that HIDs the higher frequency was different colour. but I guess maing them brighter would be right too. I just installed 8k in my car. Hope its fine.

[IEVAQ8]

its a shame and really unfair how fukn dumb cops are, milan (insane) got defected the other night for his legit 98 jdm integra type r for:::

u guessed it
HID's.....................how the fuk do u argue to the cop that they are factory fitted.....
he also got done for too low, even though we have set up his car to clear by at least 5mm.......

u cant win....but playing dumb does sometimes help

[iLlusion10]

hrmm they defecting everyone for HIDs now?

[beeza]

hrmm they defecting everyone for HIDs now?

If it's not that,it's something else.

O,yes,they are out defecting big time now.

[albii]

hrmm they defecting everyone for HIDs now?

Thing is , if you're running 10000k in a civic, you're gonna get done.
If you're running 6000k in a euro , then more than likely you won't.
BTW, there has always been a stricter crackdown in vic and nsw compared to qld.

[beeza]

Yeah,that certainly sounds the case,lots of defects coming from down there.

[SHU-ES1]

dix, where did your friend get done tomz? they pulled me over just after the round about on koroit creek road near the 7-11. is there no way he can turn around and prove they are factory standard? ill try the excuse of saying that i put ep3 headlights into my car and thats why i have the hids.. lol, probably get fk on again anyways. sucks about your friend though, hopefully his got coilovers and can adjust the height easier than spring/shock combo. all the best with it!

the other day when i got my defect cleared, the vicroads guys looked at it for like 15 secs and said yep.. that's fine and pretty much let me go even though my rear tyres were unroadworthy.

[WATAJK]

Got pull'd up tonight, got crystal vision globes...
Looks like HIDS from afar in my DC5R but its just a BRIGHT white light instead of the standard yellow..
Had an argument wif the ****, told him if theres a defect going on my window, be prepared to see me in court over it as my lights are completely legit, its just the globe been change BUT still has the same rating as the stock ones.
2 times this month had this problem >.>
Old cops = Good as
New cops = Wankers

[bbds]

damn thats tite.. fkn cops

[SHU-ES1]

damn, that is fkn tite.. did you get the defect?!??! and where abouts did you get dicked man?! i'm glad you stood up for yourself, and put your foot down. i think i might go the same route and get the mtec or phillip white/blue globes instead of the HID way. lol!!

[iLlusion10]

are all the defects going in melbourne? I was going to get a set of 6000K HIDs for my euro but still 50/50 if they're going hardcore on defecting the HIDs.

[spastic]

its a good thing they are defecting HID's like others have said inconsiderate pricks with 8000k 10000k 120000k kits on their car are an absolute pain in the ass.

[Chriskoss]

its a good thing they are defecting HID's like others have said inconsiderate pricks with 8000k 10000k 120000k kits on their car are an absolute pain in the ass.

Exactly THANKYOU.. this was my Whole point (that got blown out of context by some)

[iLlusion10]

Are they defecting people with 4300K - 6000K though?

[spastic]

i seriously doubt they'd defect 4300k 6000k maybe?

in the end dude comes down to how lucky u get i guess? like others here have 8000k haven't been touched. wrong place wrong time i guess.

[SHU-ES1]

if you have a euro, you won't get done cos your car comes with them standard don't they?

[spastic]

if you have a euro, you won't get done cos your car comes with them standard don't they?

only euro lux not std or tourer or sports

[khuongtran69]

I've got 4300K on mine. Last time was in a line for the booze bus. The cops did look at it weirdly, but they didn't say anything. I may have been just lucky, coz I know it does glare abit even though I have lowered the lights heaps.