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xclusive_eg8

23-09-2009, 04:59 PM

ok guys so I was just playing around with my honda civic and for some stupid reason decided to pull out sparklead 1 and 4 out while the engine was running and left them on rocker cover with a little gap between the ends, and about 2secs later it stalled a gently.

NOW it wont start at all.....

I have since removed spark plugs and let it air out, checked to see if fuel pump is working and it is, checked all fuses.

It looks like Im not getting a spark, anyone know why this could be??

The car is a 1995 EG GLi Civic sedan, with a D15B7 stock

burner42

23-09-2009, 05:42 PM

have u checked for blown fuses? any burnt smell?

dougie_504

23-09-2009, 06:13 PM

What the hell did you do that for?

xclusive_eg8

23-09-2009, 07:00 PM

I really have no idea why I did it, but its my fault I know...

yeah Iv checked fuses, its getting fuel so maybe the block is flooded

so Iv taken out the spark plugs and injectors to let the fuel evaporate over night.

I dont seem to be getting a spark, any testing "how to" on how to test the components required to make the spark happen????

how do I check my ecu for error code??

burner42

23-09-2009, 07:23 PM

it's a long shot but disconnect the negative, leave it for a while then re-connect it

xclusive_eg8

23-09-2009, 07:29 PM

left battery disconnected for whole last night and still no start, its a wierd problem

burner42

23-09-2009, 08:17 PM

does it turn over at all?

xclusive_eg8

23-09-2009, 08:41 PM

yeah it turns over fine just doesnt catch...

it might be a componet of the spark creation or the ecu thats dead, need to find out how to test them

Stai

23-09-2009, 08:59 PM

i know youve said youve checked all fuses, did u check them with a test light or visually? if you havnt check them visually pull the back up 7.5amp fuse and the 10 amp fuse next to it out (engine compartment fuse box) and check them. ive had the odd occaision where when i put the test light on the fuse it moved internally and made connection and when you took it off it broke connection.

burner42

23-09-2009, 09:00 PM

possible faults:

- battery is flat if it rotates slowly
- ignition coil could be faulty
- fuel not reaching fuel rail
- loose distributor is changing the ignition timing

Boban

24-09-2009, 08:46 AM

i call burned dizzy :p
I had a similar situation a while ago, bought some second hand leads and while driving home one night 1 came off, car started idling rough and eventually stalled. No matter what i tried it would not turn over, it cranked but didn't fire. Tried a new rotor button but nothing, had to get a whole new dizzy in the end

EDracer

24-09-2009, 11:51 AM

you can check the spark of each leed. unplug the first leed and leave the rest in. with a rubber glove on, or useing rubber handled plyers, hole the end of the leed close to the block, while someone turns it over. dont worry the engine is earthed it will not explode if you see a spark jump accross to the block, that leed is fine. Do this for all. if you find one that does not spark, pull off the dizzy cap and check the terminals and rotor button. If there is corrosion, or black rediue on the button or the terminals clean it with dry 600 grade wet and dry sand paper. Blow out the dust and replace. Try again with the leads. where abouts are you? id be more than happy to give you a hand if your near brisbane?

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wynode

24-09-2009, 12:14 PM

Firstly, title your post properly.

Secondly.....don't pull out your leads while the car is running!

If you think the block is flooded you can do this to help get any fuel out.

1. Unplug the fuel pump (under back seat).
2. Unplug the dizzy
3. Crank the car over a few times to help dry out the fuel.

Once that is done check all plugs for spark.

A. Plug the dizzy back in
B. Pull out all your spark plugs and disconnect them from the leads
C. Attach one spark plug to its lead and attach it to the engine block (tie it down well so that the side of the plug is solidly connected to a metal part of the block. I find the engine lifting / mount point that sticks out is a good place.
D. Get someone to crank the engine (for a second or two) while you look at the plug for spark (a dark environment helps).
E. Repeat for other three plugs with other three leads.

If you don't see any spark.....then it's probably a problem with your dizzy.

When you're done....plug the fuel pump back in.

aaronng

24-09-2009, 02:01 PM

Also check the ICM. That can fail when people try to do a compression test without pulling out the ignition fuse first. So you could have fried the ICM as well.

xclusive_eg8

24-09-2009, 05:07 PM

im in Mango Hill, near North Lakes.

yeah Its not getting a spark, so might be dizzy, anyone have a spare to test with or know a price on one??

xclusive_eg8

24-09-2009, 05:08 PM

ok, any way to test ICM??

aaronng

24-09-2009, 05:16 PM

ok, any way to test ICM??

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56224&highlight=relay

xclusive_eg8

24-09-2009, 05:21 PM

thanks for that aaronng

just double checking, I have to remove dizzy to check this??

xclusive_eg8

24-09-2009, 07:19 PM

wynode

25-09-2009, 12:33 PM

done some tests and the coil looks burnt due to lower resistance than it should be..

I have read on boostcruising that the dizzy needs to be placed perfectly in postion or the car wont start at all due to timing being off and the ecu basicly confused..

anyone know more??

Primary or secondary winding had the lower resistance?

If the coil is burnt out....that's pretty much a clear indicator of your problem :)

TheGoodDeal

25-09-2009, 01:19 PM

Before remove the dizzy use pen or knife mark a straight line across dizzy body (metal part) and the engine and when you put dizzy back on adjust the dizzy so that the line is alight.

xclusive_eg8

25-09-2009, 07:01 PM

Primary or secondary winding had the lower resistance?

If the coil is burnt out....that's pretty much a clear indicator of your problem :)

lol noob here umm I tested between terminal A & C so im going to say secondary winding..

are they both together in the dizzy??

xclusive_eg8

25-09-2009, 07:03 PM

Before remove the dizzy use pen or knife mark a straight line across dizzy body (metal part) and the engine and when you put dizzy back on adjust the dizzy so that the line is alight.

ok well I pulled dizzy out without knowing it was important for it to be in the right place so yep just yanked it out.

its installed right way but the rotor might be off line, what will happen if I start it like this??

TheGoodDeal

26-09-2009, 12:31 AM

ok well I pulled dizzy out without knowing it was important for it to be in the right place so yep just yanked it out.

its installed right way but the rotor might be off line, what will happen if I start it like this??

Then you need to do this DIY: Adjusting Ignition Timing http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=120425

xclusive_eg8

26-09-2009, 09:03 AM

Then you need to do this DIY: Adjusting Ignition Timing http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=120425

ok, so car might start but run rough?? or just not run??

wynode

26-09-2009, 01:42 PM

lol noob here umm I tested between terminal A & C so im going to say secondary winding..

are they both together in the dizzy??

What were the values?

Point I'm trying to make is that if the coil is gone...then you'll need a new coil.

xclusive_eg8

27-09-2009, 09:10 AM

01.0 ohm between A&B

8.16k ohm between A& C

using this test http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56224&highlight=relay

coil price from autobarn is $75, so im just going to get new dizzy 2nd hand due to ICM might also be fukd up

TheGoodDeal

28-09-2009, 01:49 PM

ok, so car might start but run rough?? or just not run??

I alway marked the dizzy before I tooke it out. It wasn't happen to me so I don't known, anyway maybe the are bolt marks left on the dizzy body. Try to adjust dizzy so that the bolt alight with it old marks then do DIY: Adjusting Ignition Timing.

xclusive_eg8

28-09-2009, 06:02 PM

I alway marked the dizzy before I tooke it out. It wasn't happen to me so I don't known, anyway maybe the are bolt marks left on the dizzy body. Try to adjust dizzy so that the bolt alight with it old marks then do DIY: Adjusting Ignition Timing.

will do that, Im getting whole new dizzy, so yep will defs have to get timing done again, anyone got a timing gun to lend??

xclusive_eg8

01-10-2009, 06:41 PM

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2624753

handy link for testing coil

wynode

01-10-2009, 09:23 PM

Nice link.

Given the three terminals........is that an auto transformer?

xclusive_eg8

02-10-2009, 09:51 PM

its the exact same one I got, and Iv got a manual eg.

lol got priced $1500 for new dizzy from Honda, might have to sell myself soon just to pay for my car

xclusive_eg8

05-10-2009, 05:40 PM

ok guys, so got the civic started (it was the internal coil). But remember how I took dizzy off without marking anything, well when I got it started today I lined up the washers with the old marks. Took it for a drive and it felt laggy and could hear the pod sucking a lota air, so advanced it a bit till it started feeling smooth through revs and sounds good. Engine did not ping or knock or anything outa the norm.

I do not have timing gun, so was just going to drop car off at mechanics which it about 10km away.

Think its safe to drive carefully over there with timing maybe a bit off??

Limbo

05-10-2009, 05:59 PM

yeah will be fine, just take it easy. So long as it doesn't ping its ok, just don't expect it to be that efficient

xclusive_eg8

05-10-2009, 06:29 PM

is the pinging quite loud on d series engines?? youtube did nothing for me.

But yeah glad I actualy got her running again, should I ask mech to advance it for performance or stock timing??

vinnY

07-10-2009, 11:24 AM

okay to drive just don't give it hell

they'll probably be reluctant to set it higher than stock(liability)

xclusive_eg8

07-10-2009, 06:47 PM

the stock timing is 16 degrees BTDC, and the engine is stock exept for pod filter, so how would I set on a timing gun?? Im thinking of doing it on my own now, mechanic can fit me in till Wednesday next week.